Word. I have a serious problem whenever a "personal choice " is eliminated because some group of bureaucrats claims they know what best for me and I'm not allowed to question them OR ELSE.😠 and having choices eliminated is nothing new. I remember when I was a child, my Aunt had a maroon 1991 Mercury Topaz, with the automatic shoulder belts for the front occupants that "ensures your safety " by putting the seat belt on for you, whether you like it or not. Problem is you still have to buckle the lap belt manually and often wasn't done. And without the lap belt in a crash the person can slide underneath the shoulder belt and suffer severe if not fatal injuries, in fact my cousin was an EMT in the early 2000s and he arrived on the scene of a serious car accident involving one of these late 80s ‐ early 90s cars with the power shoulder belt, where a woman not wearing the lap belt was decapitated from the shoulder belt when it caught her by the throat as she slid underneath. Yeah, so much for "safer " cars. Even when I was in elementary school when my Aunt had the Topaz, I firmly believed it ought to be a personal choice wherher or not we wear a seat belt, the world has a lot worse stuff happening that the government should be worrying about instead. My aunt and I were kind of celebrating when she scrapped the car after having it for about 12 years, everyone in the family hated the front seat belts with a passion and the car was badly rusted from the harsh Michigan winters. My grandparents told me about a station wagon they owned in the 1970s that required the front seat belts to be buckled before the car would start.
The first time I ran across this stop/start bullshit was in a rented car. Me and the wife took our 2011 Ford Flex to John Kennedy Ford in Conshohocken PA for service, they gave us a Ford Escape as a rental. We drive out of the shop and down Ridge Pike and come to a stop light and out of the blue the car dies. My wife who is driving goes into panic mode and for the life of me cant figure out why a new car just up and died. Now we are not your average 60 year old old farts, my wife is a college graduate and I am a retired broadcast engineer. First words out of my wife's mouth was...what the fuck is this! My reaction was oh shit here we are in heavy traffic and this thing just pooped its pants. The wife takes her foot off the brake peddle and the car springs to life. Then it hits me, Oh this POS has "stop start technology". Ridge Pk has a shit ton of lights and we hit a red light at every intersection. I had to get out the cars manual and look to see if there was some way of disabling this annoying bullshit. There was no button that was labeled stop/start, just a button with a half circle with the letter A. It took a good 15 minutes for me to dig threw the manual to find how to stop this. Did i mention that it was 90 degrees out and the fucking AC would shut down when the engine died. I am a big fat fuck and need all the AC I can consume so I was not trying to hear this bullshit. Stop start is pure undiluted industrial strength bullshit shoved on us by the, as you put it "pearl clutchers" and hand ringers. When China, India and other third world shit holes spew out metric tuns of green house gas on an hourly basis, the pittances of green house gas that will be saved by having cars stall out at every stop light will be nil.
Yes precisely, you and your wife's story is the same exact thing that happened to me and my wife out and about in Peoria with a rental Buick. It just up and DIES at a red light and your only reaction becomes "what the hell is happening and WHY" and ironically, I too then am looking it all up in my phone only to discover you can't disable it AT ALL. And like most government regulation, they seem to be tone deaf to the root cause of car emissions, which happens to be driving cars. We shouldn't be commuting as much as we are. As a side note, I just remembered I reviewed the Buick a while back, it's pretty entertaining: ruclips.net/video/wvMJA_A8Ewg/видео.html
I remember like it was yesterday (I'm sure you do as well) the light bulb ban, (40, 60, 75 & 100 watt) were taken out of consumer choice. If I want to save $$$ on the power bill (and who doesn't nowadays) I will use LED. If I don't give two fucks about where my $$$ is going and I want to have light bulbs that double as heaters in the winter, darn right I'm gonna use as many 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs as I want (that's how I feel it should be) just like the auto start-stop feature found on pretty much all new cars, luckily my daily driver is a 2014 mustang convertible so I don't have to deal with start-stop BS, although I absolutely love the new broncos because I remember the old school broncos, the K/C blazers, you name it, from my childhood when the pre-9/11 world felt like a time for prosperity and hope, with the age of the IoT. What I'm venting about is, give consumers the choice & let the market guide the way, if there really was a big market for all electric vehicles there wouldn't be a need for $7,500 or whatever the f*** federal tax rebates for the purchase of a new EV
Right exactly, and apparently there's a ban on the manufacture of incandescent lighting coming in hot which is ridiculous. Although I volunteered for LEDs in my home, half of the promise of "20 year life spans" is total BS - I'm replacing these even more often than their incandescent counterparts - and that's to mention nothing of the 60 Hz flicker issue they seem to have to varying degrees. Totally agreed with you on earlier American history - there was for a time an era of optimism, hope and prosperity which was reflected in architecture and general product design. It has all seemingly given way to the nihilistic product design - any modern shopping center and Teslas come to mind. It's all clinical with the almighty dollar at the center of worship. Right -- gotta love the EV incentives, government putting cash in private corporations pockets despite claiming to be ardent opponents of fascism.
I just started noticing car engines stopping/starting at red lights. I had no idea it was encouraged/mandatory on all new cars. I fully agree...total bullshit. I'm sure it would annoy the shit out of me as well. I drive old cars. When they die while driving, I immediately put them in neutral and turn the key to start them back up. The lose of power-steering especially in a corner is very jarring. A car turning off the engine as a red light would give me stress like you mention. My biggest concern with start/stop would be engine wear. A lot of an engine's wear is at start, in the short time it takes for the oil to pump through the engine. I'm sure they have to do all kind of things to keep the oil from draining down during stop. I'm betting it would be beneficial on cars with this feature to add an oil additive like Slick 50. This way the oil would penetrates into the metal. An additive to make the oil somewhat sticky as well "Lucas Oil Stabilizer" might be beneficial. I don't know. From the little reading I've done on the subject it seems like there is quite a few ways to get the computer to stop using Start/Stop. Like plugging in a pigtail for trailer lights. The car thinks you are towing something. Messing with the outside temperature sensor so the car thinks it's really hot outside and needs to keep the A/C on. www.caranddriver.com/news/a19561461/automakers-increasingly-offer-ways-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily/ Scotty Kilmer has the same opinion on the subject: ruclips.net/video/L7524u5w4ZE/видео.html
Exactly right, the sensation of stalling isn't pleasant as you say. And you're right on the money in regards to bearings - seems like the manufacturers have started stuffing bearings with lower coefficients of friction to counteract this oil draining effect, but what a circus - link below, section that says "how rust prevents wear" elaborates on that a bit. I am assuming it's a government regulation insofar as either: mfgs stuff start/stop to pad their MPG fleet numbers, or it was plain and simple mandated. Which we know, since gov't mandates fuel economy, these nuisances become a self fulfilling prophecy. www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/stop-start-long-term-impact-your-car-s-engine
Haha, start-stop is definitely unnerving if you've never experienced it before. I rented a car a few years back that seemingly randomly shut off at the first light I got to and I definitely had a huge WTF moment. I lucked out on my new 2022 Genesis G70, due to the chip shortage, my particular unit shipped without ISG.
My wifes car has it and it drives me nuts, I had a cheap POS growing up that would stall lights sometimes. When cars that I have now, that I have spent a lot of money on do it, I go into a panic because it stalled. Just ONE reason I hate it.
TIL, stop-start was available as early as 1974. Let's talk about how government banned use of leaded gasoline in cars, that's the real crime! And lest we not forget the requirement for an expensive catalytic converter!
Right lol, and not just $$$ but I'm sure the end of life process for old batteries is extremely environmentally friendly, and certainly they're not being shipped to China for recycling with 0 environmental regulations. I'm sure that never happens to old batteries, right?
It's literally a government mandate for all cars, you don't have a choice if you're buying new. What's with the animosity? Did I insult you personally?
Yeah this feels very firstworldproblems. I usually buy old cars and fix them up so I didn't even know about this. Still just don't buy them...use public transportation...
Classic RUclips. You also had the choice to not watch the video or write the comment. Anyway, bootstrapin' I thought it was a well thought out analysis of the start-stop function. I actually had no clue it was mandated! My current car is a 2015 Macan Turbo and it has a start-stop button that turns off and keeps it off thankfully!!
Haha well said and yeah it’s awful my car shut off and made me turn it off and turn back on when the light turned green at a stop light…I was panicking now I try to remember to press the button off 🥲
lol right, exactly - it makes you think that something horrible malfunctioned and you start scrambling to press all the buttons while getting honked at. My wife and I were talking about this the other day - so many new cars seems to be pulled over with their hazards on, and we couldn't help but wonder if it's some "smart gizmo" that suddenly popped up on the dash warning the driver that the sky was falling or that something mysterious failed, and there they had to stop on the spot to scratch their heads thinking the whole car broke.
Word. I have a serious problem whenever a "personal choice " is eliminated because some group of bureaucrats claims they know what best for me and I'm not allowed to question them OR ELSE.😠 and having choices eliminated is nothing new.
I remember when I was a child, my Aunt had a maroon 1991 Mercury Topaz, with the automatic shoulder belts for the front occupants that "ensures your safety " by putting the seat belt on for you, whether you like it or not. Problem is you still have to buckle the lap belt manually and often wasn't done. And without the lap belt in a crash the person can slide underneath the shoulder belt and suffer severe if not fatal injuries, in fact my cousin was an EMT in the early 2000s and he arrived on the scene of a serious car accident involving one of these late 80s ‐ early 90s cars with the power shoulder belt, where a woman not wearing the lap belt was decapitated from the shoulder belt when it caught her by the throat as she slid underneath. Yeah, so much for "safer " cars.
Even when I was in elementary school when my Aunt had the Topaz, I firmly believed it ought to be a personal choice wherher or not we wear a seat belt, the world has a lot worse stuff happening that the government should be worrying about instead. My aunt and I were kind of celebrating when she scrapped the car after having it for about 12 years, everyone in the family hated the front seat belts with a passion and the car was badly rusted from the harsh Michigan winters.
My grandparents told me about a station wagon they owned in the 1970s that required the front seat belts to be buckled before the car would start.
Man said he was gonna stop doing youtube and proceeds to upload a bajillion new videos. Not complaining though, I love your content.
The first time I ran across this stop/start bullshit was in a rented car. Me and the wife took our 2011 Ford Flex to John Kennedy Ford in Conshohocken PA for service, they gave us a Ford Escape as a rental. We drive out of the shop and down Ridge Pike and come to a stop light and out of the blue the car dies. My wife who is driving goes into panic mode and for the life of me cant figure out why a new car just up and died. Now we are not your average 60 year old old farts, my wife is a college graduate and I am a retired broadcast engineer. First words out of my wife's mouth was...what the fuck is this! My reaction was oh shit here we are in heavy traffic and this thing just pooped its pants. The wife takes her foot off the brake peddle and the car springs to life. Then it hits me, Oh this POS has "stop start technology". Ridge Pk has a shit ton of lights and we hit a red light at every intersection. I had to get out the cars manual and look to see if there was some way of disabling this annoying bullshit. There was no button that was labeled stop/start, just a button with a half circle with the letter A. It took a good 15 minutes for me to dig threw the manual to find how to stop this. Did i mention that it was 90 degrees out and the fucking AC would shut down when the engine died. I am a big fat fuck and need all the AC I can consume so I was not trying to hear this bullshit. Stop start is pure undiluted industrial strength bullshit shoved on us by the, as you put it "pearl clutchers" and hand ringers. When China, India and other third world shit holes spew out metric tuns of green house gas on an hourly basis, the pittances of green house gas that will be saved by having cars stall out at every stop light will be nil.
Yes precisely, you and your wife's story is the same exact thing that happened to me and my wife out and about in Peoria with a rental Buick. It just up and DIES at a red light and your only reaction becomes "what the hell is happening and WHY" and ironically, I too then am looking it all up in my phone only to discover you can't disable it AT ALL. And like most government regulation, they seem to be tone deaf to the root cause of car emissions, which happens to be driving cars. We shouldn't be commuting as much as we are. As a side note, I just remembered I reviewed the Buick a while back, it's pretty entertaining: ruclips.net/video/wvMJA_A8Ewg/видео.html
I remember like it was yesterday (I'm sure you do as well) the light bulb ban, (40, 60, 75 & 100 watt) were taken out of consumer choice. If I want to save $$$ on the power bill (and who doesn't nowadays) I will use LED. If I don't give two fucks about where my $$$ is going and I want to have light bulbs that double as heaters in the winter, darn right I'm gonna use as many 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs as I want (that's how I feel it should be) just like the auto start-stop feature found on pretty much all new cars, luckily my daily driver is a 2014 mustang convertible so I don't have to deal with start-stop BS, although I absolutely love the new broncos because I remember the old school broncos, the K/C blazers, you name it, from my childhood when the pre-9/11 world felt like a time for prosperity and hope, with the age of the IoT.
What I'm venting about is, give consumers the choice & let the market guide the way, if there really was a big market for all electric vehicles there wouldn't be a need for $7,500 or whatever the f*** federal tax rebates for the purchase of a new EV
Right exactly, and apparently there's a ban on the manufacture of incandescent lighting coming in hot which is ridiculous. Although I volunteered for LEDs in my home, half of the promise of "20 year life spans" is total BS - I'm replacing these even more often than their incandescent counterparts - and that's to mention nothing of the 60 Hz flicker issue they seem to have to varying degrees.
Totally agreed with you on earlier American history - there was for a time an era of optimism, hope and prosperity which was reflected in architecture and general product design. It has all seemingly given way to the nihilistic product design - any modern shopping center and Teslas come to mind. It's all clinical with the almighty dollar at the center of worship.
Right -- gotta love the EV incentives, government putting cash in private corporations pockets despite claiming to be ardent opponents of fascism.
I just started noticing car engines stopping/starting at red lights. I had no idea it was encouraged/mandatory on all new cars. I fully agree...total bullshit.
I'm sure it would annoy the shit out of me as well. I drive old cars. When they die while driving, I immediately put them in neutral and turn the key to start them back up. The lose of power-steering especially in a corner is very jarring. A car turning off the engine as a red light would give me stress like you mention.
My biggest concern with start/stop would be engine wear. A lot of an engine's wear is at start, in the short time it takes for the oil to pump through the engine. I'm sure they have to do all kind of things to keep the oil from draining down during stop. I'm betting it would be beneficial on cars with this feature to add an oil additive like Slick 50. This way the oil would penetrates into the metal. An additive to make the oil somewhat sticky as well "Lucas Oil Stabilizer" might be beneficial. I don't know.
From the little reading I've done on the subject it seems like there is quite a few ways to get the computer to stop using Start/Stop. Like plugging in a pigtail for trailer lights. The car thinks you are towing something. Messing with the outside temperature sensor so the car thinks it's really hot outside and needs to keep the A/C on.
www.caranddriver.com/news/a19561461/automakers-increasingly-offer-ways-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily/
Scotty Kilmer has the same opinion on the subject: ruclips.net/video/L7524u5w4ZE/видео.html
Exactly right, the sensation of stalling isn't pleasant as you say. And you're right on the money in regards to bearings - seems like the manufacturers have started stuffing bearings with lower coefficients of friction to counteract this oil draining effect, but what a circus - link below, section that says "how rust prevents wear" elaborates on that a bit.
I am assuming it's a government regulation insofar as either: mfgs stuff start/stop to pad their MPG fleet numbers, or it was plain and simple mandated. Which we know, since gov't mandates fuel economy, these nuisances become a self fulfilling prophecy.
www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/stop-start-long-term-impact-your-car-s-engine
My jeep had it and one day it stopped. I think the mechanics at the dealership turned it off after maintenance and just never turned it back on....
Good guy mechanics lol
Haha, start-stop is definitely unnerving if you've never experienced it before. I rented a car a few years back that seemingly randomly shut off at the first light I got to and I definitely had a huge WTF moment. I lucked out on my new 2022 Genesis G70, due to the chip shortage, my particular unit shipped without ISG.
Lol that's the first time I've heard of the chip shortage being good news.
My wifes car has it and it drives me nuts, I had a cheap POS growing up that would stall lights sometimes. When cars that I have now, that I have spent a lot of money on do it, I go into a panic because it stalled. Just ONE reason I hate it.
Yeah man our collective upbringing with older cars, manual transmissions, stalling, it's total crap. If I wanted efficiency, I'd have bought a Prius.
Word!!!
dude what happened to the forester? do you still have it?
Ah nah man I sold it. Not gonna lie, I cried when I did, it was brutal.
TIL, stop-start was available as early as 1974. Let's talk about how government banned use of leaded gasoline in cars, that's the real crime! And lest we not forget the requirement for an expensive catalytic converter!
Not sure what you're getting at with these strawman arguments. I spoke neither of lead gas or catalytic converters.
@@Bootstrappin Unelected government bureaucrats making up laws.
@@gslavik word
It is annoying very annoying and just wait till you have to replace the battery, $$$
Right lol, and not just $$$ but I'm sure the end of life process for old batteries is extremely environmentally friendly, and certainly they're not being shipped to China for recycling with 0 environmental regulations. I'm sure that never happens to old batteries, right?
Bro you had the choice to not buy that car?!? Quit crying.
It's literally a government mandate for all cars, you don't have a choice if you're buying new. What's with the animosity? Did I insult you personally?
Bro we don't have a choice to have this feature or not when buying a new car anymore, because it's MANDATED.
Yeah this feels very firstworldproblems. I usually buy old cars and fix them up so I didn't even know about this. Still just don't buy them...use public transportation...
Classic RUclips. You also had the choice to not watch the video or write the comment.
Anyway, bootstrapin' I thought it was a well thought out analysis of the start-stop function. I actually had no clue it was mandated! My current car is a 2015 Macan Turbo and it has a start-stop button that turns off and keeps it off thankfully!!
What a fooish comment...
Haha well said and yeah it’s awful my car shut off and made me turn it off and turn back on when the light turned green at a stop light…I was panicking now I try to remember to press the button off 🥲
lol right, exactly - it makes you think that something horrible malfunctioned and you start scrambling to press all the buttons while getting honked at. My wife and I were talking about this the other day - so many new cars seems to be pulled over with their hazards on, and we couldn't help but wonder if it's some "smart gizmo" that suddenly popped up on the dash warning the driver that the sky was falling or that something mysterious failed, and there they had to stop on the spot to scratch their heads thinking the whole car broke.
@@Bootstrappin 😂