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Could you do a statistical comparison of the forehands of Fernando gonzales, del potro, Nick, Jack Sock and Federer? Like % of winners, average speeds etc
Coach, you're the only one who takes his forehand skills this seriously. NK should thank you for this charming analysis. I don't really like his forehand ground strokes, but I admit they look quite unique though. I wish I could combine Kyrgios with Niculescu so as to beat so many conventional hard hitters.
This is probably one of the most informative & helpful videos for me, personally..!! I constantly,...I mean CONSTANTLY struggle with grips and my forehand form..!! Thanks..!!!
Thank you for the great video! Just one question; when Nick is preparing his swing by holding the throat of the racket, is he controlling the racket with is off hand or main hand? Thank You!
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Thank you for the reply! So overall, the offhand is being used to move the racket, while the hitting hand is completely relaxed and not moving the racket at all during the takeback?
The hitting hand will have a role but at the very start, the off hand leads the way and then the hitting hand will take over. Build momentum with the off hand so your hitting hand can stay relaxed
Love the videos. Since you asked for possible future topics, could you do a video on redirecting ground strokes? Footwork, shoulder position, hitting zone, etc. Could be a good trailer-video for your ground stroke courses. Keep up the good work.
Fundamentally except for the inverted take back seems like it just is a regular modern FH except he has a fast arm and uses his kinetic chain well. Actually his inverted game back reminds me a bit of Roddick. Great video!! May not need to exaggerate as much but think having enough space on the FH is often overlooked
Great analysis. I love the depth that you give us here. I have tried to emulate this but tend to find i get too much spin and not enough penetration through the court. What might i be doing wrong?
Great video. Very well articulated in depth break down of his fh. I have an extreme western grip and try very hard to come closer to semi-western because the timing has to be so precise and the neutral stance is ruled out. But then again, half of my forehands are overhead banana swings, which come very naturally with this grip but I’m not sure are “bad form” or not.
No, I think there will be many different styles of forehands in the future including his style but there will also be players who copy Federer's forehand, others who copy Del Potro, others who copy Sock etc
If you already use an extreme grips such as the western then this motion might help you get more power. Thanks for watching. Are there any lesson you would like to see in the near future? All the best Simon
He also is 6'4" with amazing leverage. He's usually falling back and doesn't even have his weight in his shot like Federer and Nadal do. Imagine if he used all of his body.
Useful vid for me. I'm a club player in his 50s. I hit for many years with an extreme western. After a 5 year gap from tennis I returned to the game and moved my grip round a bevel to a hybrid semi western/western. I think I'm my grip is very similar to Kyrios. Even that small change has meant hours and hours of balls on the court. I tuck my elbow in like the vid and hit a bit off the back foot for many shots with an open stance to get swivel. Its good to know that this is not a technical error. But I can see balance on this is essential. My Achilles heel is actually high balls which my grip should favour. I just can't hit through the ball.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Tbh I think I am pretty close to a semi western . My index knuckle is kind of on the 4th bevel. I can now flatten shots out more and have better power but still the high ball defeat me. Im sure its just my technique because better players have no problem.
Could you do a video on this high elbow takeback with an eastern grip by mark philippoussis. The high elbow takeback with an eastern grip and the contact point way out in front and how his swing path does this?
What do you guys think of Shapovalov's forehand? Its kind of the same but not as an extreme grip. A very modern ATP forehand I would say. More likely to be copy than Nick's right?
My tennis coach gives me grief for having the back side of my racket turned toward the net when I've taken the racket back. But here I see Nick doing it (just a lot better). Should I point out this video to my coach and try to hit like Nick or follow my coaches lead and get rid of this 'hitch"?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial A master class on how to hit with the western forehand would be helpful. This video was already pretty useful in that respect but deep dive would be nice. One of the pros at my club keeps trying to get me to switch to a semi western but I can't switch. Would love to have more power and consistency when hitting hard balls. I live in the US so mostly playing on hard courts. Also, you may have already done this, but guide to one handed backhand -- specifically adding more top spin to handle high balls -- would be nice too. Thank you for making these!
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Nice one. Are any tournaments hosted there? I love playing on grass. But the tournaments on that surface are few and far in between - really need to look for them.
Do you think this position is better for a golf elbow than a Federer forehand style? I’m 5.0 , 44yrs old, my forehand is more like Thiem, but i’m struggling with a terrible GE since months. When i change my technique pointing the racquet to the ground and flexing lightly my elbow like Nick, i feel a bit better. What do you think ? ( obviously i already switched with a multi string ) thank you!
I think Federer's forehand is easier on the body overall and especially the arm/shoulder. This style stresses the shoulder and wrist way too much for my liking
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Im just starting to play again after a break. I have a full western grip ( not sure how it ever got that extreme) but Im looking to move it to more of a semi western. This is easier than it sounds as I just start hitting balls over the fence!!!. I think a few people are in that position. Is be interested to see the best way to morph back.
One of the factors you mentioned is the swing path, but I wonder if this applies to everybody...? Nick is about 2 meters tall, so would you say he has more leverage to hit with a high to low path given his height? I feel I am only able to hit with a high to low path if I contact the ball at shoulder height OR I am well inside the baseline, whereas if the ball is right around my striking zone, even a flat path will not bring the ball over the net...?
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I honestly think that Kyrgios changes his grip on the forehand sometimes. Normally he holds a Western, but there are times when he flattens out the ball, especially when on the run where he hits these massive passing shots, where it almost seems like it's a semi-western or even an eastern grip.
Very well said, he does change grips! Even in this video, the running forehand he hits, he's using a semi-western and I have clips of him using an eastern. I spoke about this for the video but decided to leave it out as the video was so long already and spending the first five minutes on his grip didn't make sense.
Top Tennis Training - Pro Tennis Lessons Hey Simon, a video purely on forehand power shots would be good e.g. Kyrgios changing grip with slap motion, Rublev ripping it (across shoulder?), Federer, Nadal and others finishing flatter across body. Show clips of different pros and how they all hit their forehand power shots. Just another idea to consider and unlikely to get 100 likes here as a reply 😝 cheers and keep up the awesome content!
Hi guys. Very nice video! Kyrgios, Edmund, Khachanov forehands look very similar to me. I'll stick with my own forehand rather than try something like Nick's. To me having the racquet tip up and actually pushing a bit against the wrist (like Nadal a bit) helps me achieve the FH lag without hurting my wrist. Trying a FH grip like Nick's and not having perfect contact point and a heavy racquet seems like a recipe for injury (lots of vibrations). How about doing a video of Medvedev's shots (if you have the footage)? He seems to be at the other side of the spectrum, flat shots, though very consistent and clean.
I'm at a period with my forehand (it's a grip between eastern semi-western) where I can flatten out and produce big shots but I literally have very minimal spin, and when I accelerate up there's not a lot of arc so I can't hit a heavy ball oftern. How is it possible for a tournament level player with such a flat grip to hit vey heavy balls on the regular?
Racket head speed. Good fundamentals, using the legs etc At one level, players with all different styles of technique can start producing a fast hand (good racket head speed) and they can really rip the ball.
Hi Simon, thanks for the video. There's something though, in which I see some contradiction: Nick creates the space by lifting the elbow, but later on, when about to hit the ball, if you take a look, he looses all this space, having the elbow again right next to the body. How do you see this?
Very good question Fran. He creates space for the swing by lifting the elbow but then tucks it in due to his grip, it's hard to extend the arm when you have such an extreme grip. Federer, Nadal, Dimitrov all use either the eastern forehand grip or the semi-western which allows them to extend out much more at contact.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Ok, great answer! So I can assume that if I use the full-western grip (that's the case) I should also be tucking the elbow in for better strokes. Right? Maybe that's the reason a loose control quite often when I extend the arm. Thanks a lot in advance!
Totally true, is the fastest wrist movement on the tour. That's crucial to creates a massive top spin and huge velocity. I found myself hitting something like that with pros and cons. Perfect to control, avoid unforced errors, open angles and very easy to hit winners in short balls. Perfect for passing shots. Cons, yo have to play inside the court, from baseline the shots sometimes will be short. This shot often ends below net height. Not good for high balls either. You will break lots of racquet strings 😁
My friend your topic and explenation is nice but I believe you miss the most important part of speed producing in rocket head effortlessly. Most important point is how rocket hit the max reverse point that wrist allows just before front swing started and how he keep this coilled power through front swing and just before hit the ball release the power as he stop wrist front movement and transfer energy to head of racket. Without this all wrist action to back may only help to produce power meybe 1/10 of what he creates and means almost useless. Second thing in his style can be considered as a area to be improved as his wrist is not straight during front swing so the circle radius and speed can be maximised by straithening the wrist through uncoiling the trunk and through the forward swing. THis will be also minimise un necessary biceps muscle usage.
I don't really agree with the point you made about his follow through being the result of a ‘high to low swing path’. The clip you showed of his jumping forehand had him finishing across the shoulder whereas the clip of him at Wimbledon had him finish on his left hip off a waist/chest high ball. I think that the low follow through is a result of his bent elbow. At contact, his elbow is very bent and very close to his body. Through contact, his forearm seems to move across his body from the right hip to the left hip while his elbow stays still, in contrast to another of other players where the arm extends into the court more. Gael Monfils also has a similar swing path and follow through as Kyrgios.
Djokovic uses a bent elbow forehand, why does he finish over his shoulder or across his chest? Nole also uses an extreme grip. You're right about the swing I showed though, it was the only clip of him spanking a winner I could find. He does change his finish but in general, finishes down by his left oblique!
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I am not saying that it is an inherent property of a bent-elbow or extreme-grip forehand for the finish to be at the left hip, and Djokovic certainly has a very textbook swing with the arm extending into the court and following through around the shoulder or neck. (btw I've never been that convinced that he hits with a Western) Cilic hits with an extreme grip and has an extended elbow with a traditional finish across the shoulder, so it is definitely possible for different grips and degrees of arm extension to produce different finishes. But certain players with very bent elbows during the forehand have this tendency to seemingly move the forearm across the body through contact and finish directly at the left hip. I think it has to do with a late contact point, facilitated by a bent elbow, that produces this kind of swing, rather than a 'high to low' swing path as mentioned by you in the video. Monfils is one example, Gulbis with his bizarre forehand also does that. Soderling also had a very low finish on the forehand.
The low finish tends to happen with players who use the extreme windshield wiper finish. But the swing path plays a direct role in this, Djokovic and Cilic have been taught to swing low to high, there is a reason they finish up. The other players have likely just developed a very fast swing without much guidance, I find it hard to believe a coach would be telling those players "Finish down by your left pocket" By finishing low, those players can really attack the higher and medium height balls and use the high to low or medium to low swings.
Gulbis has gone back to being an eagle in the Rocky mountains. He's still competing but he's lost 17 matches this year and won only 6. Last win was in May, played US Open qualies but lost badly first round.
Not criticizing the choice because I understand the focus was on the preparation, but not seeing the contact with the ball for the first half of the video was absolutely driving me crazy! 😂
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Not sure if you've made one yet, but some videos talking about court positioning in singles/doubles. Break downs on footwork.. that kind of stuff would be great for me to show my students. I recommend your channel to all my students and it would be cool to be able to point them to those videos as well
@@chrismanteris9093 I said my demo wasn't good, at that moment, but his tip starts pointing down the court, then goes up, then drops, then forward. A loop. Even Stevie Wonder could see that
You make it so complicated when in fact it's so simple. Nick is just whiping the ball with his racket. He does NOT do racket flip (lag) intentionally. It's just "side effect" of the whip. That's it.
Don't agree about the part of the use of the left hand. Most top players, keep their left hand on the racquet for a pretty long time after the unit turn so there is nothing unique about Nick for that.
I wouldn’t do it because Kgyrios kept getting elbow problem. Must be his very light racquet. No wonder he doesn’t train much. Pretty sure he doesn’t care as long as he get paid.
Why I would like to hit a forehand like nick kyrgios ? I mean ok, he's ATP player, but man, his technique is horrible, he hits with flex elbow, his legs are not in the right position. It's the same that create myself a wrong addiction in a swing, and be known as a technique. Because my point is that tennis professors try to teach us the most perfect way to do it ,( like federer ), because if they let us hit and swing by ourselves, then we would be like kyrgios.
Many players who are the "next gen" use a similar style of forehand to Nick, lifting with the elbow, extreme grip, high to low follow through. It's an option and I would not teach this style of shot to a junior, however, people have requested this video so I delivered! I much prefer the Federer forehand myself, but some youngers players admire Nick more!
I'm really glad you answer. It's not a criticism about your video, it's about the game style itself, because when I watch or play tennis, it's for the beauty of the techniques also. As you said about the next gen, unfortunately it's true, I wonder how long till we have someone like federer's technique, you can say it's impossible, but for me dimitrov's is the most similar. The question is why next gen are hitting with elbow flex. Ps: love your tips and videos, keep doing it !
What’s ugly about it? It’s just a natural side throwing motion. Federer’s is uglier if you think about it that way! No one would throw a stone like him, not even himself. Go throw something like a tennis ball and see if your elbow would move like Nick’s or Federer’s. It’s very natural and normal to bring the elbow up for a good side arm throw.
Top Tennis Training - Pro Tennis Lessons Yeah that’s obvious but to impact the ball you’re throwing the racket at the ball. In that sense I see overhead throwing and side arm throwing as very similar motions to serve and forehand.
This video has nothing to do with his on-court antics, simply his technique. We covered his antics in this video on our Love Tennis channel - ruclips.net/video/9kpaNDBZ3Jk/видео.html
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Could you do a statistical comparison of the forehands of Fernando gonzales, del potro, Nick, Jack Sock and Federer? Like % of winners, average speeds etc
can you do a nick.k serve analysis
I did one a few years ago but if you get this comment to 100 likes, I'll make a new one!
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I feel the original video was mostly regarding the ball toss, I'd enjoy a new one too!
100 likes on the lil guys comment and it's done
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Can we get one on nicks backhand? No follow through but all his weight on it no? Maybe that’s why he returns so wel
With it
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The guy who suggested I film the Kyrgios serve analysis got 100 likes in 10 days.
Our latest video is due to his comment.
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Come on guys, help Raz out!
So refreshing, to learn about the new modern forehands out there in the ATP tour.
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The secret for Kyrgios’ forehand is that he practices by throwing chairs.
Haha classic. I'd say it's more from the racket flinging that he does, when he tosses his frame like a whip.
He's good at throwing and breaking rackets, too.
So funny :-)
This real
Still a good forehand
Coach, you're the only one who takes his forehand skills this seriously. NK should thank you for this charming analysis. I don't really like his forehand ground strokes, but I admit they look quite unique though. I wish I could combine Kyrgios with Niculescu so as to beat so many conventional hard hitters.
love the lines on these courts
Wimbledon quality?
Thanks man. U r creating awareness. Knowledge makes the game more fun.
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thumbs up if you were waiting for this GUY in the video to hit it like Kyrgios
I tried to but sucked at it.
I'll stick to my own swing lol
This is probably one of the most informative & helpful videos for me, personally..!! I constantly,...I mean CONSTANTLY struggle with grips and my forehand form..!! Thanks..!!!
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This is awesome. Only detailed analysis on this topic. Surprised it's not had more views. This is probably going to be the next evolution in forehand.
Great Video and análisis !
Many thanks 🙏
Congratulations Simon, very good teacher
Many thanks 🙏
Thank you for the great video! Just one question; when Nick is preparing his swing by holding the throat of the racket, is he controlling the racket with is off hand or main hand? Thank You!
The off-hand is holding 60-80% of the weight of the racket, this helps to keep the hitting arm loose
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Thank you for the reply! So overall, the offhand is being used to move the racket, while the hitting hand is completely relaxed and not moving the racket at all during the takeback?
The hitting hand will have a role but at the very start, the off hand leads the way and then the hitting hand will take over. Build momentum with the off hand so your hitting hand can stay relaxed
Love the videos. Since you asked for possible future topics, could you do a video on redirecting ground strokes? Footwork, shoulder position, hitting zone, etc. Could be a good trailer-video for your ground stroke courses. Keep up the good work.
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I'd like to see a video about sliding on hard courts. Also a video about best recovery methods after matched
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Hey alex, great vid! I was wondering, what racquet or strings i should use if I hit with both spin and flat shots?
I would experiment, test out different frames and strings.
PS - I start and end the video by saying my name - Simon.
Great video! Learned about some dynamics to the forehand.
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Wow ! Awesome analysis ! And the clips help to visualize. Just discovered a great channel. :)
Thanks for watching Mehdi and welcome to the TTT squad!
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Do Thanasi Kokkinakis forehand analysis
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It’s a real banger that one
I think Nick is the definition of "shooting from the hip", not just in his FH, but his overall play style.
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Fundamentally except for the inverted take back seems like it just is a regular modern FH except he has a fast arm and uses his kinetic chain well. Actually his inverted game back reminds me a bit of Roddick. Great video!!
May not need to exaggerate as much but think having enough space on the FH is often overlooked
Yes, his elbow prep is very much like a Roddick forehand.
Well said
Excellent!
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Thank you Simon for another great video 👏👍👍
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Thank you for that video! What kind of technique would you recommend for full western grips?
Whatever works for you, western is a harder grip to master
What bezel does Nicks index finger go on for his grip? I don't understand different types of western grips etc haha. 🙃
The tip of his index finger is on bevel 7
Great analysis. I love the depth that you give us here. I have tried to emulate this but tend to find i get too much spin and not enough penetration through the court. What might i be doing wrong?
Sounds like you're brushing up on the ball too much, try to hit through the ball more
Great video. Very well articulated in depth break down of his fh. I have an extreme western grip and try very hard to come closer to semi-western because the timing has to be so precise and the neutral stance is ruled out. But then again, half of my forehands are overhead banana swings, which come very naturally with this grip but I’m not sure are “bad form” or not.
Simon, do you see this forehand technique becoming the norm for the younger, next generation, of tennis players?
No, I think there will be many different styles of forehands in the future including his style but there will also be players who copy Federer's forehand, others who copy Del Potro, others who copy Sock etc
Very helpful what pros can i get with this forehand?
If you already use an extreme grips such as the western then this motion might help you get more power.
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He also is 6'4" with amazing leverage. He's usually falling back and doesn't even have his weight in his shot like Federer and Nadal do. Imagine if he used all of his body.
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Great
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You sir are a genius 👏🏾
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Thanks for this, nice grass court by the way!
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Great vid!
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Useful vid for me. I'm a club player in his 50s. I hit for many years with an extreme western. After a 5 year gap from tennis I returned to the game and moved my grip round a bevel to a hybrid semi western/western. I think I'm my grip is very similar to Kyrios. Even that small change has meant hours and hours of balls on the court. I tuck my elbow in like the vid and hit a bit off the back foot for many shots with an open stance to get swivel. Its good to know that this is not a technical error. But I can see balance on this is essential.
My Achilles heel is actually high balls which my grip should favour. I just can't hit through the ball.
It is hard to hit through the ball with this grip, have you tried the semi-western?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Tbh I think I am pretty close to a semi western . My index knuckle is kind of on the 4th bevel. I can now flatten shots out more and have better power but still the high ball defeat me. Im sure its just my technique because better players have no problem.
great video and cute court
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Could you do a video on this high elbow takeback with an eastern grip by mark philippoussis. The high elbow takeback with an eastern grip and the contact point way out in front and how his swing path does this?
Let's get 100 likes on this comment and enough people to be interested in seeing that and we'll do it. IMO not many players would watch that video
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial What about a Tsitsipas eastern grip forehand video?
What do you guys think of Shapovalov's forehand? Its kind of the same but not as an extreme grip. A very modern ATP forehand I would say. More likely to be copy than Nick's right?
My tennis coach gives me grief for having the back side of my racket turned toward the net when I've taken the racket back. But here I see Nick doing it (just a lot better). Should I point out this video to my coach and try to hit like Nick or follow my coaches lead and get rid of this 'hitch"?
That's up to you and your coach mate
these videos are super gooooooddd
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@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial A master class on how to hit with the western forehand would be helpful. This video was already pretty useful in that respect but deep dive would be nice.
One of the pros at my club keeps trying to get me to switch to a semi western but I can't switch. Would love to have more power and consistency when hitting hard balls. I live in the US so mostly playing on hard courts.
Also, you may have already done this, but guide to one handed backhand -- specifically adding more top spin to handle high balls -- would be nice too.
Thank you for making these!
Cool grass courts - where is the video shot?
Filmed in Oxford, UK
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Nice one. Are any tournaments hosted there? I love playing on grass. But the tournaments on that surface are few and far in between - really need to look for them.
Not that I know of, in fact in the Oxford area, there aren't that many tournaments in general. In London there are plenty though
Please, where can I find the slow motion videos of Nick that you used in this video?
It's our footage that we filmed in NYC last week.
What we have released is in this video
Do you think this position is better for a golf elbow than a Federer forehand style?
I’m 5.0 , 44yrs old, my forehand is more like Thiem, but i’m struggling with a terrible GE since months. When i change my technique pointing the racquet to the ground and flexing lightly my elbow like Nick, i feel a bit better. What do you think ? ( obviously i already switched with a multi string ) thank you!
I think Federer's forehand is easier on the body overall and especially the arm/shoulder.
This style stresses the shoulder and wrist way too much for my liking
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@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Im just starting to play again after a break. I have a full western grip ( not sure how it ever got that extreme) but Im looking to move it to more of a semi western. This is easier than it sounds as I just start hitting balls over the fence!!!. I think a few people are in that position. Is be interested to see the best way to morph back.
One of the factors you mentioned is the swing path, but I wonder if this applies to everybody...? Nick is about 2 meters tall, so would you say he has more leverage to hit with a high to low path given his height? I feel I am only able to hit with a high to low path if I contact the ball at shoulder height OR I am well inside the baseline, whereas if the ball is right around my striking zone, even a flat path will not bring the ball over the net...?
Very true and a valid point.
Height plays a major factor for sure
Does Nick Kyrgios have the biggest forehand on the tour?
Delpo or Warwrinka as more consistent
Jack sock' is better than his.
I think Thiem has consistently had one of the fastest average mph on the forehead. Jack Sock and Delpo were both up there also.
Yes it’s the most powerful
I think he uses full western or next gen grip. I don't see a semiwestern, except when he returns serve or blocks. Great analysis.
That’s what I say in this video, he uses a western forehand grip
Jack Sock and Karen Khachanov forehand analysis please!
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I honestly think that Kyrgios changes his grip on the forehand sometimes. Normally he holds a Western, but there are times when he flattens out the ball, especially when on the run where he hits these massive passing shots, where it almost seems like it's a semi-western or even an eastern grip.
Very well said, he does change grips!
Even in this video, the running forehand he hits, he's using a semi-western and I have clips of him using an eastern. I spoke about this for the video but decided to leave it out as the video was so long already and spending the first five minutes on his grip didn't make sense.
Top Tennis Training - Pro Tennis Lessons Hey Simon, a video purely on forehand power shots would be good e.g. Kyrgios changing grip with slap motion, Rublev ripping it (across shoulder?), Federer, Nadal and others finishing flatter across body. Show clips of different pros and how they all hit their forehand power shots. Just another idea to consider and unlikely to get 100 likes here as a reply 😝 cheers and keep up the awesome content!
Brilliant analysis
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Hi guys. Very nice video! Kyrgios, Edmund, Khachanov forehands look very similar to me. I'll stick with my own forehand rather than try something like Nick's. To me having the racquet tip up and actually pushing a bit against the wrist (like Nadal a bit) helps me achieve the FH lag without hurting my wrist. Trying a FH grip like Nick's and not having perfect contact point and a heavy racquet seems like a recipe for injury (lots of vibrations).
How about doing a video of Medvedev's shots (if you have the footage)? He seems to be at the other side of the spectrum, flat shots, though very consistent and clean.
Could you ask him why he got a tennis elbow? caused by his forehand or serve,etc?
I'm on the phone dialling his number just now, is his number still 1800-tank-master?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Haha.
I'm at a period with my forehand (it's a grip between eastern semi-western) where I can flatten out and produce big shots but I literally have very minimal spin, and when I accelerate up there's not a lot of arc so I can't hit a heavy ball oftern. How is it possible for a tournament level player with such a flat grip to hit vey heavy balls on the regular?
Racket head speed. Good fundamentals, using the legs etc
At one level, players with all different styles of technique can start producing a fast hand (good racket head speed) and they can really rip the ball.
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What grip does nick use?
I speak about his grip at 00:56 in this video!
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Hi Simon, thanks for the video. There's something though, in which I see some contradiction: Nick creates the space by lifting the elbow, but later on, when about to hit the ball, if you take a look, he looses all this space, having the elbow again right next to the body. How do you see this?
Very good question Fran.
He creates space for the swing by lifting the elbow but then tucks it in due to his grip, it's hard to extend the arm when you have such an extreme grip.
Federer, Nadal, Dimitrov all use either the eastern forehand grip or the semi-western which allows them to extend out much more at contact.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Ok, great answer! So I can assume that if I use the full-western grip (that's the case) I should also be tucking the elbow in for better strokes. Right? Maybe that's the reason a loose control quite often when I extend the arm. Thanks a lot in advance!
For sure, a more tucked in elbow and having the contact point closer to the body should you help much more with the western grip
If you’re a beginner, please don’t try this forehand 😂
100% right
This won't work for 90% of tennis players
Great analysis! I really like it. Never try before to hit like Nick. I think it takes a lot of energy. That is why Nick plays not good in Grand Slams
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HEY EVERYONE Simon said he would give us a delpotro forehand analysis if this comment gets to 100 likes.
You have yourself a deal!
I believe Simon did not pay attention to Nick's wrist movement, it plays a big role in his unique forehand.
Totally true, is the fastest wrist movement on the tour. That's crucial to creates a massive top spin and huge velocity. I found myself hitting something like that with pros and cons. Perfect to control, avoid unforced errors, open angles and very easy to hit winners in short balls. Perfect for passing shots. Cons, yo have to play inside the court, from baseline the shots sometimes will be short. This shot often ends below net height. Not good for high balls either. You will break lots of racquet strings 😁
Grip de Khrgios?
I speak about his grip in this video
My friend your topic and explenation is nice but I believe you miss the most important part of speed producing in rocket head effortlessly. Most important point is how rocket hit the max reverse point that wrist allows just before front swing started and how he keep this coilled power through front swing and just before hit the ball release the power as he stop wrist front movement and transfer energy to head of racket. Without this all wrist action to back may only help to produce power meybe 1/10 of what he creates and means almost useless. Second thing in his style can be considered as a area to be improved as his wrist is not straight during front swing so the circle radius and speed can be maximised by straithening the wrist through uncoiling the trunk and through the forward swing. THis will be also minimise un necessary biceps muscle usage.
My brain fried trying to read that mate.
But thanks for watching anyway
You are right topic is hard to explain by writing even ı speak in my language 😁 regards
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The question is how the hell can he flatten it out when he wants to with that extremish grip?
He changes his grip on those flat forehands, often using the semi-western or even eastern grip.
@@クリームイカ Yeah it happens. I hold a semi-Western but typically return with more of an Eastern grip
I don't really agree with the point you made about his follow through being the result of a ‘high to low swing path’. The clip you showed of his jumping forehand had him finishing across the shoulder whereas the clip of him at Wimbledon had him finish on his left hip off a waist/chest high ball. I think that the low follow through is a result of his bent elbow. At contact, his elbow is very bent and very close to his body. Through contact, his forearm seems to move across his body from the right hip to the left hip while his elbow stays still, in contrast to another of other players where the arm extends into the court more. Gael Monfils also has a similar swing path and follow through as Kyrgios.
Djokovic uses a bent elbow forehand, why does he finish over his shoulder or across his chest?
Nole also uses an extreme grip.
You're right about the swing I showed though, it was the only clip of him spanking a winner I could find. He does change his finish but in general, finishes down by his left oblique!
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I am not saying that it is an inherent property of a bent-elbow or extreme-grip forehand for the finish to be at the left hip, and Djokovic certainly has a very textbook swing with the arm extending into the court and following through around the shoulder or neck. (btw I've never been that convinced that he hits with a Western) Cilic hits with an extreme grip and has an extended elbow with a traditional finish across the shoulder, so it is definitely possible for different grips and degrees of arm extension to produce different finishes. But certain players with very bent elbows during the forehand have this tendency to seemingly move the forearm across the body through contact and finish directly at the left hip. I think it has to do with a late contact point, facilitated by a bent elbow, that produces this kind of swing, rather than a 'high to low' swing path as mentioned by you in the video. Monfils is one example, Gulbis with his bizarre forehand also does that. Soderling also had a very low finish on the forehand.
The low finish tends to happen with players who use the extreme windshield wiper finish.
But the swing path plays a direct role in this, Djokovic and Cilic have been taught to swing low to high, there is a reason they finish up.
The other players have likely just developed a very fast swing without much guidance, I find it hard to believe a coach would be telling those players "Finish down by your left pocket"
By finishing low, those players can really attack the higher and medium height balls and use the high to low or medium to low swings.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial How Gulbis ever developed his swing will always be a mystery 😂
Btw where's he gone?
Gulbis has gone back to being an eagle in the Rocky mountains.
He's still competing but he's lost 17 matches this year and won only 6.
Last win was in May, played US Open qualies but lost badly first round.
why cant a player just change his grip from eastern to western for the high shots?
Loss of feel for the shot. It's hard to constantly change between grips without a huge drop in your accuracy and consistency
Not criticizing the choice because I understand the focus was on the preparation, but not seeing the contact with the ball for the first half of the video was absolutely driving me crazy! 😂
Haha
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@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Not sure if you've made one yet, but some videos talking about court positioning in singles/doubles. Break downs on footwork.. that kind of stuff would be great for me to show my students. I recommend your channel to all my students and it would be cool to be able to point them to those videos as well
5:41 this is not what nick is doing (making a loop) he is basically dropping the racquet down and back- no loop
Does Nick start low or high?
At 5:41 you make a loop. Nick drops the racquet down and back- no loop
My demo wasn’t perfect, but Nick starts high and drops down - a loop!
The Tip of the racquet does not make a loop however in your demo it does. Follow the tip of the racquet
@@chrismanteris9093 I said my demo wasn't good, at that moment, but his tip starts pointing down the court, then goes up, then drops, then forward. A loop. Even Stevie Wonder could see that
I get easy power when I copy this forehand
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That is Future Forehand, i think Nick Kyrgios have good Forehand, i like it...
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You make it so complicated when in fact it's so simple. Nick is just whiping the ball with his racket. He does NOT do racket flip (lag) intentionally. It's just "side effect" of the whip. That's it.
Make a lesson debunking me. Send me the link when it’s done
I need subtitles in Spanish :c
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Don't agree about the part of the use of the left hand. Most top players, keep their left hand on the racquet for a pretty long time after the unit turn so there is nothing unique about Nick for that.
Some do, some don't. . .
Great forehand but nowhere near as good as mine!!! Get good
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I wouldn’t do it because Kgyrios kept getting elbow problem. Must be his very light racquet. No wonder he doesn’t train much. Pretty sure he doesn’t care as long as he get paid.
You spelt his name wrong pal - it's Kyrgios
He practice a lot when he was a teenager.
Many players practice a lot as teenagers but never develop a lethal forehand…
His forehand always makes me uncomfortable
Not easy on the eyes
Why I would like to hit a forehand like nick kyrgios ? I mean ok, he's ATP player, but man, his technique is horrible, he hits with flex elbow, his legs are not in the right position. It's the same that create myself a wrong addiction in a swing, and be known as a technique. Because my point is that tennis professors try to teach us the most perfect way to do it ,( like federer ), because if they let us hit and swing by ourselves, then we would be like kyrgios.
Many players who are the "next gen" use a similar style of forehand to Nick, lifting with the elbow, extreme grip, high to low follow through. It's an option and I would not teach this style of shot to a junior, however, people have requested this video so I delivered!
I much prefer the Federer forehand myself, but some youngers players admire Nick more!
I'm really glad you answer. It's not a criticism about your video, it's about the game style itself, because when I watch or play tennis, it's for the beauty of the techniques also. As you said about the next gen, unfortunately it's true, I wonder how long till we have someone like federer's technique, you can say it's impossible, but for me dimitrov's is the most similar. The question is why next gen are hitting with elbow flex.
Ps: love your tips and videos, keep doing it !
So ugly.... but so good ......never seen a player with such a strange forehand hit so hard......
Well said, one of the reasons I wanted to make this video.
So unique, so strange, yet so powerful.
Drew N it’s like Khachanov, it’s unique, strange but he can hit it so hard
What’s ugly about it? It’s just a natural side throwing motion. Federer’s is uglier if you think about it that way! No one would throw a stone like him, not even himself. Go throw something like a tennis ball and see if your elbow would move like Nick’s or Federer’s. It’s very natural and normal to bring the elbow up for a good side arm throw.
@Yucel - The difference is, you're not throwing a ball, you're impacting something.
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Yeah that’s obvious but to impact the ball you’re throwing the racket at the ball. In that sense I see overhead throwing and side arm throwing as very similar motions to serve and forehand.
Who cares he behaves like a child
This video has nothing to do with his on-court antics, simply his technique.
We covered his antics in this video on our Love Tennis channel - ruclips.net/video/9kpaNDBZ3Jk/видео.html
horrible tennis forehand
Not very appealing to the eye but does a decent job
Disliked video too many forehands
Thanks for the dislike!