Seriously considering getting this jacket after been appalled at the last two jackets I got (Berghaus, Craghoppers) with regards to quality and the customer service (or should I say lack of it).
TalsVids : You won’t be disappointed, the Beta AR is worlds apart from the other brands. Arcteryx may be a tad on the expensive side but like anything in life, you get what you pay for 👍
Just bought the last medium Rhapsody colour from yourselves for an absolute bargain and it’s a top notch jacket, very happy with my purchase. Medium fits me well and allows layers too, height 5,10, waist 34”, chest 42” and approx 12.5 stone. Hope that info helps others with sizing
I own a 21 year old 2003 Beta AR, back when it was designed to be a shorter ice climbing jacket, I never wore it as much as I thought I was going to so it's in the same condition as the jacket you're wearing here, I'll have myself buried in it then passed it on to a close relative.
21 years and still going strong is a good effort! We might suggest you enjoy wearing it and pass it on before you get buried in it, or bequeath a shovel in your will too. They might need it to retrieve their Beta...
Great video. I bought a couple of Beta AR jackets from amazon earlier this year and apparently I received the older 2017 model. Your video helped me determine the differences. I don't mind the 2017 model, though I'm sure the 2018 model is excellent as well. Big fan of arcteryx at this point. Expensive as hell, but it's quality gear. I live in currently soggy Tennessee so I get to wear my jacket almost every day. I've also taken it on planes to various cities and into the Smokies. It's quite good. I'm planning to take a ski trip sometime next year and I think I'll try out the beta ar on the slopes. It doesn't have a powder skirt, but hopefully it will be fine.
I just ordered my third one in 20 years. I thought about upgrading to the Alpha SV, since I live at 8,000' and spend a lot of time at up to 14,500' ski mountaineering, but just can't give up the collar of the Beta AR. My current one is about ten years old, so I'm looking forward to the upgrades.
Hi Daniel, You are correct, Gore-Tex Active is the most breathable. My sentence structure was a bit off here so I do apologise, I was meant to say, "most breathable for its durability", so well spotted. Kind regards, Will
It was one of our favourite colours for sure! Fjallraven have a similar colour in their Keb Eco shell that we're also pretty fond of tinyurl.com/BetaAR-Keb
when do you start getting hot in this jacket? for casual use and just riding the train will i be hot in temps 70+. i know this is subjective to everyone but where do you start to get hot with just a tshirt underneath?
Hi there, I know it is quite a dumb question but can Beta AR be a sole jacket in Winter without any additional layering beside the one you are wearing next to your skin? of course, that also depends on the weather. so if I want this to be my single-layer jacket, how cold outside can be to wear this?
The Beta offers no warmth apart from keeping the wind off, so it most likely won't be warm enough. This does depend on how cold your winters are, which activity you're doing, even small things such as how much you've had to eat. The Beta isn't really designed to be worn all the time either, only when it's raining heavily. We'd recommend giving our 'how to layer outdoor clothing effectively' video; this will give you an idea as to which layers you need to stay comfortable and dry. Kind regards, Harry.
I´m indecisive on whether or not to buy the Beta AR or the Beta SL Hybrid. I have seen multiple people noting that the SL is not waterproof (guessing since it´s not GT Pro). Do anyone know exactly how much rain the SL can handle (anno 2019; with the SL having had a "revised" version)? I don´t want to spend hundreds of dollars on a hardshell that doesn´t resist a bit of wet weather. Thanks in advance
Both are fully waterproof, that's for sure; if it leaks within a reasonable amount of time then it's a warranty issue. Unfortunately the reason for most users experiencing wetness inside the jacket is actually condensation as they're wearing too many layers rather than the jacket leaking. The AR is simply more durable and uses Gore-Tex Pro rather than Gore-Tex Paclite/Paclite Plus. The SL will pack down far smaller, but the AR will resist general abuse better.
I’m your height and chest size, but 34 waist. Got the 2017 Arcteryx Iser jacket in L. Based on this, certainly looking at arm length, I’m best getting a medium. Can’t remember the last time a medium fit. Arcteryx are looking generous with their cut
@@trekittdid they change the sizes recently? I tried M and L in the Beta AR this week (Oct 23) and for me (6'0, 34" waist male) the L is a bit too big and the M is wayyyy too small. A bit frustrating.
Great video thanks iv just purchased this jacket but now I feel I have purchased the wrong size I’m 6ft 40” chest 34” waist but a little belly so I went for large but think I should of got medium now .what do u think ?
That's a tricky one Gary. I'm pretty similar in size (6'3", 42 chest and 34 waist, no belly) and can fit in the medium, but I'd struggle to get any decent winter layers underneath. The performance difference between the sizes will be marginal, so it's all down to your personal preference; slightly looser or slighter tighter! Paul.
Wonderful review. I especially liked that you included your measurements and put on the Atom LT Jacket to show the fit with some layering underneath. My question is regarding layering with the Atom LT *Hoody: Assuming you've tried this combo, how does the Atom LT Hoody fit underneath the Beta AR? I'm concerned with the Atom LT's hood possibly getting pushed up by the Beta AR's high collar. The model on the Arcteryx website wears the Atom LT Hoody underneath with both jackets' hoods down and with the Beta AR not fully zipped up, allowing the collar to open up a bit... probably because it's not comfortable with both hoods down and the Beta AR fully zipped up! Thoughts?
It's all personal preference unfortunately. The benefit to layering the Atom LT Hoody underneath is that when stationary the hood will provide warmth and protection; the downside is that it is rather uncomfortable stuffed down the back of the Beta. Some of don't mind, others do, but the chances are you'll just get used to it.
for hiking in late spring or rainy days of summer in central Europe, from forest in poland and czech republic to austrian and slovakian alps and mountains, the AR is a good option or to overkill?
Absolutely fine for all of those uses. I have this exact jacket (literally the one in this video) and have used it all year round since this video was posted. It never feels like overkill. Harry
Excellent review except I didnt hear anything about the interior. What does it feel like inside? I am torn between this and the Zeta AR mainly because of the Gore C Knit difference in the Zeta AR. Could you elaborate on the feel of the interior of this as opposed to the Beta AR and just how it feels against the skin? Which is more water resistant. I will be hiking the AT next year which is VERY rainy. I am a girl and I dont sweat much. Thank you.
Good points! The Zeta feels more like a softshell from the inside and is far nicer next to skin, however you do sacrifice durability due to the knitted fabric. The Beta is more suitable for mountainous conditions and is more comfortable when worn over a long sleeved baselayer or midlayer of some sort, whereas the Zeta is better for walking/trekking and can be comfortably worn next to skin or over additional layers. In regard to water resistance, both are guaranteed fully waterproof, however the Beta uses Gore-Tex Pro, so it will have a longer lifespan. If I were you, I'd go for the Zeta as it'll provide more than enough weather protection/durability and is more comfortable next to skin. The Beta AR will most likely be overkill. Hope that helps! Harry.
Hello! Brilliant review. Definitely appreciate all the demo's and descriptions. Looking into buying a Beta AR, but concerned about the sizing. I am 5'7", on the skinnier side. Normally wear a small in Arc'teryx jackets (Atom, Gamma, etc.) Do you recommend an XS for the Beta AR? Seems to be a very loose fitting "regular fit."
It's hard to say, as it largely depends how wide you are in the shoulders/back as to whether it'll sit correctly. If you follow the link below, scroll down and click 'sizing information', there's a detailed list of chest, waist, hip and sleeve measurements for each size which you can compare against yourself. Kind regards, Harry. www.trekitt.co.uk/40240/premium/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-paradox.aspx
Hi, it would appear that you have found an expired link to a discontinued version of the jacket. The new version can be found here - www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-black__40242 Thanks for watching. Paul.
@@trekitt OK thank you I tought that 250 is regular price because here where I live is one store which have this jacket for arround 250 but I dont like light blue paradox color.
I am 5’6” 160 to 165lbs. I wear a medium Atom LT and Atom AR jackets. I tried on a small Beta AR and it worked great with a long sleeve base layer and the Atom LT, however my Atom AR did not layer well underneath, the fit was too tight and the Atom AR poked out the bottom of the Beta AR. If you’re in a cool climate with rain, minimal snow and primarily wear a light or mid weight puffy of fleece, go with the small. If you live in a cold climate with lots of snow and ice, I would size up to the medium.
Kyle Choy yes, I wear the same in both, however I live in Minnesota where temps regularly drop below zero Fahrenheit -10 to -20 not uncommon several times each winter so I wanted some extra room to layer either my atom LT or my heavier atom ar underneath. If you are not layering heavily a small should be fine. Arcteryx typically accounts for layers in their sizes so a base layer will fit next to skin, mid layer factors in a base layer so you do t need to size up, etc. hopefully that makes sense.
It depends how much protection you need. SV is essentially a more severe version of the AR, so for the average user the AR is more than enough, but for the mountain guide or frequent mountaineer, the extra protection of the SV will most likely come in handy.
I’m looking for a new hard shell but getting confused with the Arcteryx groups and sub groups, ie Alpha, Beta and Zeta and the difference within each style. How does the Beta AR compare to the Beta SV or Alpha SV, thanks.
Beta, Zeta and Alpha are all aimed at their own specific uses. Beta is typically your 'all-round' mountain option, so suitable for climbing, scrambling, walking, trekking, etc. Zeta is aimed at trekking and mountain walking, and Alpha is aimed at technical climbing, ice climbing and mountaineering. The letters after denote the durability/thickness of the garment; I.e. LT = lightweight, AR = all round, SV = severe. This should help you to make an informed decision based on the activities you're carrying out and the level of durability you require. Kind regards, Harry.
Hi. Good review, as always. I have a question. I just bought a Beta SV and after two days of use I realized that what you see around the Arcteryx logo on the inside of the jacket I'm starting to see it show through on the outside of the jacket, around the logo. Is it normal?
Hi Mario, I'm not sure what you mean in regards to the logo. Your best bet would be to send some photos to the retailer where the jacket was purchased and they should be able to advise. Kind regards, Harry.
The Beta AR has a long cut, so even taller users such as Will can get away with a medium. The large would be slightly longer and more voluminous, meaning you'd be able to fit bulkier layers underneath comfortably if you were in colder environments.
Have always been an Arc'Teryx fan (and now, BlackYak, too). One issue I have with more or less every other manufacturer's range - is the cuff cinches using the same fabric as the jacket itself and primitive, hideous, sticky (where it shouldn't stick) 1950-ies type velcro. Yikes! The entire Arc'Teryx range of hardshell jackets sports quality cuffs with low-profile, modern velcro. This puts these jackets a head and shoulder above the competition. It is, of course, more expensive than I'd like, but even in its price range it has very little completion.
@@trekitt Thank you. You're welcome. The cuff design and Velcro quality define my purchasing decisions and I would like to hope, others', too. The North Face and many others employed quality cuffs and modern minimalist Velcro molded in some mid- and higher-tier models (my somewhat affordable €175 The North Face Summit purchased in 2014 and the €350 Häglofs I had before that also sported quality cuffs with integrated modern Velcro), but now these manufacturers appear to have reverted back to use of cheap hideous stitch-on primitive Velcro in most models, including the expensive ones. Now Arc'teryx appears to be the only company (possibly, along with Black Yak - my other other favourite active lifestyle apparel manufacturer, but they, unfortunately, don't make large sizes) who isn't clearly keen on compromising quality and elegance of their jackets to save a couple of dollars.
If one had to choose between Beta AR vs Beta Lt, which one would you suggest. For city, everyday use for rainy days in summer or with an Atom LT as a layer underneath for colder days? Thank you
For city use, you can't go wrong with the Beta LT. The only reason you would choose the Beta AR over the LT is durability, but if it's mainly for urban use and general walking then the LT is perfect.
Trekitt Mountain Sports, Awesome, thank you. My local store did not have Lt in store to try, but did have the Ar or SV, SV was over kill for me, I loved the collar look and feel as well the pit zips for warm summer rainy days, so I ended up taking the AR. The store will have the LT brought in, in a week or so, so I will try that as well and see. Coz packability is not a concern for me nor the weight, I want a strong outer shell that can be used to layer over down jacket for winters or for summer rain as well.
Here's a great video from Arcteryx about washing and maintenance - ruclips.net/video/I4N6ZuKTZ_c/видео.html You can use Nikwax or Grangers products for the cleaning and re-proofing products - www.trekitt.co.uk/product-care I hope that helps. Paul.
LT - Lightweight, AR - All Round. The AR is tougher but consequently heavier and less breathable, while the LT is lighter and more breathable but less durable. It all depends how tough you need the jacket to be, basically! Regards, Harry.
@@trekitt Thank you for the quick reply. To be honest I wonder if the Beta is too much form my use. I would need a shell for playing with my kids in the snow sledding and stuff like that. Also walking the dog in the cold snowy Wisconsin winters. Also some mountain biking in the summer (rain). Do you think the Zeta would be a better route? What do you think would be the best shell for my needs? Thanks again.
@@youngmc5040 The Zeta sounds like the more suitable option. The Beta range is typically aimed at climbers and mountaineers, whereas the Zeta range is aimed at trekkers and backpackers. I'm not sure I'd wear it biking (I'd be too weary of ripping it if I fell off!), but for everything else it's a great jacket. I personally owned the Zeta AR and can't recommend it enough.
@@trekitt thanks again. That makes sense. What if I could find a Beta LT for less money than a Zeta AR? Would the Beta LT be the better option? There is so many choices. Lol. I just want to make the right decision on a big purchase :)
@@youngmc5040 Either would do the job perfectly, it just comes down to which features you'd like the jacket to have, how you'd like it to fit, etc. The Zeta is longer and has pit zips, whereas the current Beta is fairly stripped back and much shorter in the body.
Hi Will, just a question. I'm planning to buy this jacket but not sure about the fit. I'm 5ft 7 and 102cm chest. What size you recommend? Please let me know, cheers
Technically you could, but we wouldn't recommend it. You'd be far better off with something that isn't fully waterproof and is more breathable such as the Fjallraven High Coast Wind Jacket. www.trekitt.co.uk/37031/products/fjallraven-mens-high-coast-wind-jacket-dusk.aspx
Not specifically, but the Beta LT is shorter than the AR yet still has fairly long arms. It may be a better option for you fit-wise, but obviously depending on how durable you need the jacket to be. Harry.
I'm afraid we don't stock the Keb Eco-Shell, so we can't compare from experience. Having had a quick research though, it seems the Keb is aimed primarily at trekking/skiing, whereas the Beta is suitable for a wider range of activities, including mountaineering, scrambling, trekking, etc. Kind regards, Harry.
It's called Caribou, but they no longer produce this colour I'm afraid. We currently stock Black, Tui and Cobalt Sun; I'll pop a link to them below. Kind regards, Harry. www.trekitt.co.uk/35885/premium/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-black.aspx
Not really, it's a bit too heavy and bulky. But that depends on your definition of cycling. If you're thrashing out loads of miles and hunting down segment PR's then definitely not. If you're just pootling about on your bike and enjoying the outdoors, then hey, it would work. Thanks for watching. Paul.
@@trekitt Thanks for your honest reply. I went ahead and bought this jacket (it was half off). It's way too short for me but also too bulky. I bought an XL. Time to return it to REI.
Most of the time it's to allow the jacket to still cover your arms and the back of your hands when reaching above your head (climbing, mountaineering, etc). Kind regards, Harry.
In a word, yes. If you're looking for a waterproof outer layer for primarily everyday use, then have a look at the Montane Atomic Jacket; I'll pop a link to it below. Kind regards, Harry. www.trekitt.co.uk/36928/products/montane-mens-atomic-jacket-black.aspx
Great review. Nice info and to the point. I'm thinking of getting a Beta AR but not sure on which size to go for. The fit looks good on you but I am 5'11 and about 200lbs. I have a Arcteryx Sabre Jacket in a Large but it's very big on me, but I believe the Sabre is a relaxed fit which is bigger than the Beta ARs regular fit. I would go for a Medium but I'm a bit concerned the waist hem might be a bit tight, and I want it to have a bit of room when it's done up. What is length of the waist hem on the medium? Thanks
The size medium features roughly a 34" waist and a 40" chest. You can find each measurement by following this link and scrolling down to 'sizing information'. www.trekitt.co.uk/35886/products/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-caribou.aspx
If you follow this link, scroll down and click 'sizing information', we have a sizing chart where you'll be able to measure your arm length to determine the correct size. www.trekitt.co.uk/35886/products/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-caribou.aspx
How does the beta ar compare the the beta lt. Im Looking for a everyday waterproof jacket for biking, walling and at football stadiums . I also do a bit of hiking, but never in mauntains.
You'll definitely be better suited with the Beta LT based on what you're using it for. The Beta AR is simply a tougher and consequently less breathable option which is best suited to mountainous use. If you never plan to use it in the mountains, go for the LT.
The Beta is oversized to allow you to fit multiple layers underneath in cold conditions. For example, I'm a large/x-large in t-shirts but would wear a medium in the Beta. Harry.
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Hi Eric, We are roughly the same build by the sound of it but I am 6ft 3. In the video, I was wearing a medium and it does fit very well. The previous model was a little too short in the body for me so I was very happy when they made it slightly longer, and as you are 3 inches shorter you'll definitely benefit more from the extra protection.
Hi Ian, thanks for watching. Will felt that the Beta AR was a good fit to allow for extra winter layers. We sometimes find, especially with Arcteryx, that we are between sizes, a medium is just a bit too tight and a large is a bit too baggy. Better to be a bot too big than a a bit too tight. But, as with all these things, it's a personal choice. Paul.
Another good video But If you get caught in a storm it would be very wet for the wearer To many zips that will fail Your backside will get wet through Thank you
Fantastic review. Spoken in plain English, explain each feature properly. So great.
I have this jacket, it’s fit, quality and performance are outstanding.
Hi Eddie, thanks for watching and glad you like the Beta AR, it's pretty much all the jacket you could ever need.
Seriously considering getting this jacket after been appalled at the last two jackets I got (Berghaus, Craghoppers) with regards to quality and the customer service (or should I say lack of it).
TalsVids : You won’t be disappointed, the Beta AR is worlds apart from the other brands. Arcteryx may be a tad on the expensive side but like anything in life, you get what you pay for 👍
Eddie Runcorn Thanks. Look forward to getting one.
@@SilveryFoxster Arcteryx makes Patagonia look like trash.
Can confirm the breakdown of the names was needed ahah, cheers mate.
Just bought the last medium Rhapsody colour from yourselves for an absolute bargain and it’s a top notch jacket, very happy with my purchase. Medium fits me well and allows layers too, height 5,10, waist 34”, chest 42” and approx 12.5 stone. Hope that info helps others with sizing
Good choice!
5'10, 172 lbs, waist 32" and I chose a medium as well!
I own a 21 year old 2003 Beta AR, back when it was designed to be a shorter ice climbing jacket, I never wore it as much as I thought I was going to so it's in the same condition as the jacket you're wearing here, I'll have myself buried in it then passed it on to a close relative.
21 years and still going strong is a good effort! We might suggest you enjoy wearing it and pass it on before you get buried in it, or bequeath a shovel in your will too. They might need it to retrieve their Beta...
Great video. I bought a couple of Beta AR jackets from amazon earlier this year and apparently I received the older 2017 model. Your video helped me determine the differences. I don't mind the 2017 model, though I'm sure the 2018 model is excellent as well. Big fan of arcteryx at this point. Expensive as hell, but it's quality gear. I live in currently soggy Tennessee so I get to wear my jacket almost every day. I've also taken it on planes to various cities and into the Smokies. It's quite good.
I'm planning to take a ski trip sometime next year and I think I'll try out the beta ar on the slopes. It doesn't have a powder skirt, but hopefully it will be fine.
I love this jacket. I have it and I couldn't be more happy :-) Thanks so much, trekitt.
Good to hear; it's one of my personal favourites as well. Kind regards, Harry.
I just ordered my third one in 20 years. I thought about upgrading to the Alpha SV, since I live at 8,000' and spend a lot of time at up to 14,500' ski mountaineering, but just can't give up the collar of the Beta AR. My current one is about ten years old, so I'm looking forward to the upgrades.
I do love the collar as well. Had one for a few years and unfortunately grew out of it, but wish I'd bought another for this exact reason.
@@trekitt
Sounds like you're not getting out enough.
Finally ordered one of these from you, thanks for the reviews folks :)
Good choice Peter, I'm sure you'll be very happy with the Beta AR. Thanks for watching. Paul.
Very detailed review. Thank you!
No; thank you for watching.
Most importantly, where is that waterfall??
Great review too, by the way.
that was a brilliant demo that .... very detailed
Gore tex pro is the most waterproof and durable. Gore Tex active is the most breathable membrane that Gore produces
Hi Daniel,
You are correct, Gore-Tex Active is the most breathable. My sentence structure was a bit off here so I do apologise, I was meant to say, "most breathable for its durability", so well spotted.
Kind regards,
Will
But is Beta AR made Gore-Tex Pro or Active?
Excellent, detailed video. Thanks so much. I have the Beta AR from last year. Glorious jacket! :-)
Glad you like it!
They need to bring that color back!
It was one of our favourite colours for sure!
Fjallraven have a similar colour in their Keb Eco shell that we're also pretty fond of tinyurl.com/BetaAR-Keb
when do you start getting hot in this jacket? for casual use and just riding the train will i be hot in temps 70+. i know this is subjective to everyone but where do you start to get hot with just a tshirt underneath?
Really appreciate a technical review in plain English. A+
That’s kind, thanks for watching. Paul.
Hi there, I know it is quite a dumb question but can Beta AR be a sole jacket in Winter without any additional layering beside the one you are wearing next to your skin?
of course, that also depends on the weather.
so if I want this to be my single-layer jacket, how cold outside can be to wear this?
The Beta offers no warmth apart from keeping the wind off, so it most likely won't be warm enough. This does depend on how cold your winters are, which activity you're doing, even small things such as how much you've had to eat. The Beta isn't really designed to be worn all the time either, only when it's raining heavily. We'd recommend giving our 'how to layer outdoor clothing effectively' video; this will give you an idea as to which layers you need to stay comfortable and dry. Kind regards, Harry.
I´m indecisive on whether or not to buy the Beta AR or the Beta SL Hybrid. I have seen multiple people noting that the SL is not waterproof (guessing since it´s not GT Pro). Do anyone know exactly how much rain the SL can handle (anno 2019; with the SL having had a "revised" version)? I don´t want to spend hundreds of dollars on a hardshell that doesn´t resist a bit of wet weather. Thanks in advance
Both are fully waterproof, that's for sure; if it leaks within a reasonable amount of time then it's a warranty issue. Unfortunately the reason for most users experiencing wetness inside the jacket is actually condensation as they're wearing too many layers rather than the jacket leaking. The AR is simply more durable and uses Gore-Tex Pro rather than Gore-Tex Paclite/Paclite Plus. The SL will pack down far smaller, but the AR will resist general abuse better.
I’m your height and chest size, but 34 waist. Got the 2017 Arcteryx Iser jacket in L. Based on this, certainly looking at arm length, I’m best getting a medium. Can’t remember the last time a medium fit. Arcteryx are looking generous with their cut
A medium should fit you well if you're near enough Will's size; the Beta AR is roomier than some counterparts to accommodate for additional layers.
@@trekittdid they change the sizes recently? I tried M and L in the Beta AR this week (Oct 23) and for me (6'0, 34" waist male) the L is a bit too big and the M is wayyyy too small. A bit frustrating.
Hi! Has this jacket been updated since?
The membrane has been updated to Gore's new 'Gore-Tex Pro Most Breathable' and 'most rugged'. Other than that, it's largely the same. Harry
The logo is like a billboard.
Great video thanks iv just purchased this jacket but now I feel I have purchased the wrong size I’m 6ft 40” chest 34” waist but a little belly so I went for large but think I should of got medium now .what do u think ?
That's a tricky one Gary. I'm pretty similar in size (6'3", 42 chest and 34 waist, no belly) and can fit in the medium, but I'd struggle to get any decent winter layers underneath. The performance difference between the sizes will be marginal, so it's all down to your personal preference; slightly looser or slighter tighter! Paul.
Great review thanks. I’ve been looking at the beta ar and the alpha ar. What would you recommend for hiking thanks
Beta. Alpha is far more climbing/mountaineering focused.
Trekitt ok great thankyou for replying 👍
Wonderful review. I especially liked that you included your measurements and put on the Atom LT Jacket to show the fit with some layering underneath.
My question is regarding layering with the Atom LT *Hoody: Assuming you've tried this combo, how does the Atom LT Hoody fit underneath the Beta AR? I'm concerned with the Atom LT's hood possibly getting pushed up by the Beta AR's high collar. The model on the Arcteryx website wears the Atom LT Hoody underneath with both jackets' hoods down and with the Beta AR not fully zipped up, allowing the collar to open up a bit... probably because it's not comfortable with both hoods down and the Beta AR fully zipped up! Thoughts?
It's all personal preference unfortunately. The benefit to layering the Atom LT Hoody underneath is that when stationary the hood will provide warmth and protection; the downside is that it is rather uncomfortable stuffed down the back of the Beta. Some of don't mind, others do, but the chances are you'll just get used to it.
for hiking in late spring or rainy days of summer in central Europe, from forest in poland and czech republic to austrian and slovakian alps and mountains, the AR is a good option or to overkill?
Absolutely fine for all of those uses. I have this exact jacket (literally the one in this video) and have used it all year round since this video was posted. It never feels like overkill. Harry
@@trekitt thanks man
Excellent review except I didnt hear anything about the interior. What does it feel like inside? I am torn between this and the Zeta AR mainly because of the Gore C Knit difference in the Zeta AR. Could you elaborate on the feel of the interior of this as opposed to the Beta AR and just how it feels against the skin? Which is more water resistant. I will be hiking the AT next year which is VERY rainy. I am a girl and I dont sweat much.
Thank you.
Good points! The Zeta feels more like a softshell from the inside and is far nicer next to skin, however you do sacrifice durability due to the knitted fabric. The Beta is more suitable for mountainous conditions and is more comfortable when worn over a long sleeved baselayer or midlayer of some sort, whereas the Zeta is better for walking/trekking and can be comfortably worn next to skin or over additional layers. In regard to water resistance, both are guaranteed fully waterproof, however the Beta uses Gore-Tex Pro, so it will have a longer lifespan. If I were you, I'd go for the Zeta as it'll provide more than enough weather protection/durability and is more comfortable next to skin. The Beta AR will most likely be overkill. Hope that helps! Harry.
Hello! Brilliant review. Definitely appreciate all the demo's and descriptions. Looking into buying a Beta AR, but concerned about the sizing. I am 5'7", on the skinnier side. Normally wear a small in Arc'teryx jackets (Atom, Gamma, etc.) Do you recommend an XS for the Beta AR? Seems to be a very loose fitting "regular fit."
It's hard to say, as it largely depends how wide you are in the shoulders/back as to whether it'll sit correctly. If you follow the link below, scroll down and click 'sizing information', there's a detailed list of chest, waist, hip and sleeve measurements for each size which you can compare against yourself. Kind regards, Harry.
www.trekitt.co.uk/40240/premium/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-paradox.aspx
Is this the 2018 model?
How to put in the basket for £240 I have try several times not working ?
Hi, it would appear that you have found an expired link to a discontinued version of the jacket. The new version can be found here - www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-black__40242
Thanks for watching. Paul.
@@trekitt OK thank you I tought that 250 is regular price because here where I live is one store which have this jacket for arround 250 but I dont like light blue paradox color.
I am 5"7 and 68kg, wearing Atom Lt for size medium, what would u recommend me to get for beta AR? XS or S? Thanks
I would recommend a size small, this will allow you to fit additional layers underneath when the temperature drops.
Small.
I am 5’6” 160 to 165lbs. I wear a medium Atom LT and Atom AR jackets. I tried on a small Beta AR and it worked great with a long sleeve base layer and the Atom LT, however my Atom AR did not layer well underneath, the fit was too tight and the Atom AR poked out the bottom of the Beta AR. If you’re in a cool climate with rain, minimal snow and primarily wear a light or mid weight puffy of fleece, go with the small. If you live in a cold climate with lots of snow and ice, I would size up to the medium.
woolengrappler so dude, you wear both atom lt and ar in the same size? I am struggling would small size beta ar have too long sleeve
Kyle Choy yes, I wear the same in both, however I live in Minnesota where temps regularly drop below zero Fahrenheit -10 to -20 not uncommon several times each winter so I wanted some extra room to layer either my atom LT or my heavier atom ar underneath. If you are not layering heavily a small should be fine. Arcteryx typically accounts for layers in their sizes so a base layer will fit next to skin, mid layer factors in a base layer so you do t need to size up, etc. hopefully that makes sense.
Which one would you pick the Beta AR or SV?
It depends how much protection you need. SV is essentially a more severe version of the AR, so for the average user the AR is more than enough, but for the mountain guide or frequent mountaineer, the extra protection of the SV will most likely come in handy.
Excellent review!
Thank you!
Awesome clolorway! Awesome review ;-)
how would you compare this, function wise with the Zeta AR? thanks
The Zeta AR is much more walking and trekking focused, whereas the Beta AR is far better in mountainous environments.
The Zeta AR will be discontinued and will be replaced by the Beta LT
I’m looking for a new hard shell but getting confused with the Arcteryx groups and sub groups, ie Alpha, Beta and Zeta and the difference within each style. How does the Beta AR compare to the Beta SV or Alpha SV, thanks.
Beta, Zeta and Alpha are all aimed at their own specific uses. Beta is typically your 'all-round' mountain option, so suitable for climbing, scrambling, walking, trekking, etc. Zeta is aimed at trekking and mountain walking, and Alpha is aimed at technical climbing, ice climbing and mountaineering. The letters after denote the durability/thickness of the garment; I.e. LT = lightweight, AR = all round, SV = severe. This should help you to make an informed decision based on the activities you're carrying out and the level of durability you require. Kind regards, Harry.
Trekitt Thanks very much
Hi. Good review, as always. I have a question. I just bought a Beta SV and after two days of use I realized that what you see around the Arcteryx logo on the inside of the jacket I'm starting to see it show through on the outside of the jacket, around the logo. Is it normal?
Hi Mario, I'm not sure what you mean in regards to the logo. Your best bet would be to send some photos to the retailer where the jacket was purchased and they should be able to advise. Kind regards, Harry.
6 ft 3" wearing M is crazy. How would the L fit for you?
The Beta AR has a long cut, so even taller users such as Will can get away with a medium. The large would be slightly longer and more voluminous, meaning you'd be able to fit bulkier layers underneath comfortably if you were in colder environments.
Hi, Nice video! Would the Beta AR be suitable for skiing too?
It would be fine skiing, the only crucial thing it's missing is a snow skirt, so you may get a little snow up your back.
Nice review, thanks! I'm curious, what model pants are you wearing in this video?
They're the Mountain Equipment Ibex Pants, you can find them here: www.trekitt.co.uk/8243/products/mountain-equipment-mens-ibex-pant-black.aspx
Best jacket I have ever owned.
Pretty much the best jacket out there! Thanks for watching.
Fantastic video 👍🏼
Thank you!
Have always been an Arc'Teryx fan (and now, BlackYak, too). One issue I have with more or less every other manufacturer's range - is the cuff cinches using the same fabric as the jacket itself and primitive, hideous, sticky (where it shouldn't stick) 1950-ies type velcro. Yikes! The entire Arc'Teryx range of hardshell jackets sports quality cuffs with low-profile, modern velcro. This puts these jackets a head and shoulder above the competition. It is, of course, more expensive than I'd like, but even in its price range it has very little completion.
It's a small detail, but those cuffs make a massive difference. Thanks for watching.
@@trekitt Thank you. You're welcome. The cuff design and Velcro quality define my purchasing decisions and I would like to hope, others', too.
The North Face and many others employed quality cuffs and modern minimalist Velcro molded in some mid- and higher-tier models (my somewhat affordable €175 The North Face Summit purchased in 2014 and the €350 Häglofs I had before that also sported quality cuffs with integrated modern Velcro), but now these manufacturers appear to have reverted back to use of cheap hideous stitch-on primitive Velcro in most models, including the expensive ones. Now Arc'teryx appears to be the only company (possibly, along with Black Yak - my other other favourite active lifestyle apparel manufacturer, but they, unfortunately, don't make large sizes) who isn't clearly keen on compromising quality and elegance of their jackets to save a couple of dollars.
If one had to choose between Beta AR vs Beta Lt, which one would you suggest. For city, everyday use for rainy days in summer or with an Atom LT as a layer underneath for colder days? Thank you
For city use, you can't go wrong with the Beta LT. The only reason you would choose the Beta AR over the LT is durability, but if it's mainly for urban use and general walking then the LT is perfect.
Trekitt Mountain Sports, Awesome, thank you. My local store did not have Lt in store to try, but did have the Ar or SV, SV was over kill for me, I loved the collar look and feel as well the pit zips for warm summer rainy days, so I ended up taking the AR. The store will have the LT brought in, in a week or so, so I will try that as well and see. Coz packability is not a concern for me nor the weight, I want a strong outer shell that can be used to layer over down jacket for winters or for summer rain as well.
great colorway
I love caribou. My favorite Arc colorway. Have an atom lt, beta ar and cerium lt in it
Could you get into the maintenance for this jacket?
Here's a great video from Arcteryx about washing and maintenance - ruclips.net/video/I4N6ZuKTZ_c/видео.html
You can use Nikwax or Grangers products for the cleaning and re-proofing products - www.trekitt.co.uk/product-care
I hope that helps. Paul.
What is the difference between the Beta AR and LT and why pick one over the other? Thank you! Mike
LT - Lightweight, AR - All Round. The AR is tougher but consequently heavier and less breathable, while the LT is lighter and more breathable but less durable. It all depends how tough you need the jacket to be, basically! Regards, Harry.
@@trekitt Thank you for the quick reply. To be honest I wonder if the Beta is too much form my use. I would need a shell for playing with my kids in the snow sledding and stuff like that. Also walking the dog in the cold snowy Wisconsin winters. Also some mountain biking in the summer (rain). Do you think the Zeta would be a better route? What do you think would be the best shell for my needs? Thanks again.
@@youngmc5040 The Zeta sounds like the more suitable option. The Beta range is typically aimed at climbers and mountaineers, whereas the Zeta range is aimed at trekkers and backpackers. I'm not sure I'd wear it biking (I'd be too weary of ripping it if I fell off!), but for everything else it's a great jacket. I personally owned the Zeta AR and can't recommend it enough.
@@trekitt thanks again. That makes sense. What if I could find a Beta LT for less money than a Zeta AR? Would the Beta LT be the better option? There is so many choices. Lol. I just want to make the right decision on a big purchase :)
@@youngmc5040 Either would do the job perfectly, it just comes down to which features you'd like the jacket to have, how you'd like it to fit, etc. The Zeta is longer and has pit zips, whereas the current Beta is fairly stripped back and much shorter in the body.
Hi Will, just a question. I'm planning to buy this jacket but not sure about the fit. I'm 5ft 7 and 102cm chest. What size you recommend? Please let me know, cheers
Hi Hugo,
For a 40 inch chest, you'd need the Medium to make sure you get the room you need in the chest and shoulder area.
All the best,
Will
Hi Will, that's awesome, thanks for the suggestion.
If I"m 5'11" , 170 pounds, would a Medium be too baggy/big for me?
no it would be perfect
@@michael_irl Thanks! Pulled the trigger on a medium!
Hi Sunny, sorry for the late response. As Michael suggest, the medium would be perfect and I hope that you are happy with your purchase. Paul.
Just ordered mine the same color , can this be worn as an everyday summer jacket too?
Technically you could, but we wouldn't recommend it. You'd be far better off with something that isn't fully waterproof and is more breathable such as the Fjallraven High Coast Wind Jacket. www.trekitt.co.uk/37031/products/fjallraven-mens-high-coast-wind-jacket-dusk.aspx
Im looking for something good quality, so i ordered the beta ar. Better suited for the cold summers here and in winter ill be all set.
The color is radddddd
Do Arcteryx have an jacket for short people with short arms? looking for Beta AR, but got really long arms :/
Not specifically, but the Beta LT is shorter than the AR yet still has fairly long arms. It may be a better option for you fit-wise, but obviously depending on how durable you need the jacket to be. Harry.
@@trekitt Does the Beta LT also have a slimmer body?
@@Testo-Frede Ever so slightly, but not dramatically slimmer than the AR.
how does this compare to the fjallraven keb eco-shell? which is better?
I'm afraid we don't stock the Keb Eco-Shell, so we can't compare from experience. Having had a quick research though, it seems the Keb is aimed primarily at trekking/skiing, whereas the Beta is suitable for a wider range of activities, including mountaineering, scrambling, trekking, etc. Kind regards, Harry.
What colour is worn in this video? Is it midnight sun?
It's called Caribou, but they no longer produce this colour I'm afraid. We currently stock Black, Tui and Cobalt Sun; I'll pop a link to them below. Kind regards, Harry.
www.trekitt.co.uk/35885/premium/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-black.aspx
Hello Im 5'7" 105lb Can I get regular fit if I wear S size
Hi, I'm afraid I don't understand the question. A size small will most likely fit with your above measurements, if that's what you mean. Harry
Nice jacket
what color is that jacket? never seen it before
The colour is called Caribou, you can find it here: www.trekitt.co.uk/35886/products/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-caribou.aspx
Is this a good jacket for cycling?
Not really, it's a bit too heavy and bulky. But that depends on your definition of cycling. If you're thrashing out loads of miles and hunting down segment PR's then definitely not. If you're just pootling about on your bike and enjoying the outdoors, then hey, it would work. Thanks for watching. Paul.
@@trekitt Thanks for your honest reply. I went ahead and bought this jacket (it was half off). It's way too short for me but also too bulky. I bought an XL. Time to return it to REI.
I bought the jacket but the sleeves are super long. Why are they so long? Not recommened
Most of the time it's to allow the jacket to still cover your arms and the back of your hands when reaching above your head (climbing, mountaineering, etc). Kind regards, Harry.
Hello,
Is this jacket an overkill for daily city use?
In a word, yes. If you're looking for a waterproof outer layer for primarily everyday use, then have a look at the Montane Atomic Jacket; I'll pop a link to it below. Kind regards, Harry.
www.trekitt.co.uk/36928/products/montane-mens-atomic-jacket-black.aspx
Great review. Nice info and to the point. I'm thinking of getting a Beta AR but not sure on which size to go for. The fit looks good on you but I am 5'11 and about 200lbs. I have a Arcteryx Sabre Jacket in a Large but it's very big on me, but I believe the Sabre is a relaxed fit which is bigger than the Beta ARs regular fit. I would go for a Medium but I'm a bit concerned the waist hem might be a bit tight, and I want it to have a bit of room when it's done up. What is length of the waist hem on the medium? Thanks
The size medium features roughly a 34" waist and a 40" chest. You can find each measurement by following this link and scrolling down to 'sizing information'. www.trekitt.co.uk/35886/products/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-caribou.aspx
I am 5'6 .will the arm length be too long for a M?
If you follow this link, scroll down and click 'sizing information', we have a sizing chart where you'll be able to measure your arm length to determine the correct size. www.trekitt.co.uk/35886/products/arcteryx-mens-beta-ar-jacket-caribou.aspx
I’m afraid it will be short arse
Is it noisy?
Slightly
How does the beta ar compare the the beta lt.
Im Looking for a everyday waterproof jacket for biking, walling and at football stadiums . I also do a bit of hiking, but never in mauntains.
You'll definitely be better suited with the Beta LT based on what you're using it for. The Beta AR is simply a tougher and consequently less breathable option which is best suited to mountainous use. If you never plan to use it in the mountains, go for the LT.
@@trekitt thank for Quick response
What's with their sizing?! I'm usually an XL but here we're talking about an M for my size?!? wtf
The Beta is oversized to allow you to fit multiple layers underneath in cold conditions. For example, I'm a large/x-large in t-shirts but would wear a medium in the Beta. Harry.
@@trekitt Sweet. Thanks for the response!
I always require a storm hood.
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Does the poop colour come with a discount?
Discontinued colour, so 100% discount but no product in return.
Bee-tah Ay-ar nice 👌
That is indeed how we say it over the pond! Harry
I'm 6' 180-185 Lbs usually wear medium in most clothing my atom LT is Large does anyone know if a medium would fit well?
Hi Eric,
We are roughly the same build by the sound of it but I am 6ft 3. In the video, I was wearing a medium and it does fit very well. The previous model was a little too short in the body for me so I was very happy when they made it slightly longer, and as you are 3 inches shorter you'll definitely benefit more from the extra protection.
Good video, although that jacket looks too big on you.
Hi Ian, thanks for watching. Will felt that the Beta AR was a good fit to allow for extra winter layers. We sometimes find, especially with Arcteryx, that we are between sizes, a medium is just a bit too tight and a large is a bit too baggy. Better to be a bot too big than a a bit too tight. But, as with all these things, it's a personal choice. Paul.
@@trekitt I am. Between sizes as well so know what you mean.
All the Trekitt lads are 6’3” lol
Yup haha, Paul, Will, Ben and myself are all 6' 3". Harry
Forgot the most important Skiing!!
Fair’nuff
Arm lenght is just for E.T.
Not sure the colour would suit him.
Another good video
But
If you get caught in a storm it would be very wet for the wearer
To many zips that will fail
Your backside will get wet through
Thank you
'poncho' , better still : umbrella
Doubt it I've been caught climbing in down pours and have had to wait. Ive been dry and what's in my pockets has stayed dry.
And in plainest english its expensive af.
Pricey but nicey!
The problem I have with the bones range is the arms are huge, needlessly so, too long and too wide, good for orangutans🙄
Sleeve is too long
Just the one?
I downvoted just because you said beeta instead of beta.
We're assuming you'd like us to pronounce it 'Bay-tah'?
@@trekitt Not me. The entire English-speaking world prefers that you pronounce it "Bay-tah".
@@Meatwaggon You might find this useful. dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/beta
Meatwaggon ... except... England.
Wow, you are one hell of a prick.