Why You Don't NEED The Most Expensive Arc'teryx Jacket | Climbing Daily Ep.1413
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
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On todays Friday Gear Show we chat to Ross Cursiter, an Arc'teryx rep who gives us the lowdown on their range of technical shells and which one is the right for you...it may not necessarily be the most expensive...
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Why You Don't NEED The Most Expensive Arc'teryx Jacket | Climbing Daily Ep.1413
As a retailer for Arc'teryx. This was super helpful in nailing down tech specs that could be explained to anyone! Loved it!!!!
Johanna Balke just a curious question for your retail skills. I’m 5’7, slim fit, what size would you recommend, small or medium?
@@chrisrodriguez388 Probably a small. They definitely run towards the outdoor athletic fit.
Johanna Balke awesome! Thank you!!
@@chrisrodriguez388 Which model though?
They all have different cuts and forms!
I have a beta-AR that's one of my most prized possession when it comes to outdoor gear. I used it for five years, in the city as well as in the mountains, and it's still going strong. It lost the water-repellant surface treatement but not a drop passes through the membrane. Expensive, but you get what you pay for. would recommend.
the dwr coating is used to help on the breathability of the gore-tex membrane. If the nylon is soaked it wont evacuate sweat ;)
So you just need to wash it as instructed and you can spray it with the product that arc'teryx or gore-tex recommend! It will feel like new!
Yea, just cuz the water stops bouncing off of it, doesn’t mean its compromised. That’s one of the biggest difference between waterproof & water resistant/repellant. Even after the dwr wears off, a waterproof garment will still keep u dry whereas a water resistant garment would be compromised as it relies solely on the dwr.
How is the sizing? I’m athletically built and in between large and XL in many jackets. Thanks!
If you look on the Beta AR product page from the manufacturer you can see by the customer reviews that this model has huge quality issues. The glue of the seams comes of quickly and the the jacket falls literally apart just after short usage. Given the price that's the reason why I refrained from buying it. Such a high end product should last a life time and not just two years.
@@benjamins_eye662 I had a Beta AR I bought in 2011 and it only started to delaminate in 2020. I used it a fair amount but sent it to Arcteryx for repair. They said they couldnt due to the age of the paclite Gore fabric but gave me a 40%off code! Awsome customer service IMO. Just used it for a new Alpha SV Black 24K : )
I'm fat. I'm not gonna be climbing any mountain. I wear Arcteryx as a hard flex
Brysen lmaooo
Bwahahaha
Brysen if yr fat, like me they won’t fit you
Totally me too! Gotta flex when im lining up for coffee. Fk the peasants wearing mountain warehouse
hahaha same here
I hiked past the event and talked to him for a bit as well, he's a genuinely nice guy who really knows everything about the products
koen bobeldijk Ross is awesome! Hope u had a good weekend in the lakes 😁
We chatted to Ross and Katy both Sat and Sun at sign on and he certainly knows his stuff, and I felt he was genuinely more interested in what others have been upto and making sure everyone had fun than trying to push the products - guess they sell themselves!
Also now makes sense what you were doing with him - we did wonder as we walked past on the way back to the campsite :)
for sure for sure
@@MrDragonorp hahaha
You made a video that is 12 plus minutes of an add and made it fascinating. That is a pretty good skill to have.
this stuff may not be life saving by any means but gear is pretty important for hobbyists
I use Alpha SV jackets (M) in 3 colours as my daily wear all year round. Great for the motorbike commute as well. Love the fit better than the other two categories and the fabric has that hard shell durable quality. Still wearing one bought in 2009. Send that one off to the Arc’teryx repair centre who fixed it up like new. Great product and company.
They do great cuts. Great style! However, I wished that my Arc'teryx jackets hardshells wouldn't all delaminate and fall apart. I wish they would not decline to repair them somehow. I wish they would care about their products after warranty time as well. At least here in Europe.
They just sent me a voucher for full cost of a Rush Jacket ten years ago. They even threw in extra money to cover the taxes.
Same here ... sadly some of the seams on one of my jackets are falling. I only want them to fix it, I love it and don't want anything different or newer, nevertheless I'm having a hassle getting help from them.
i've bought the Arcteryx Alpha FL jacket. The main zipper slider broke on the ice climbing multi-pitch (first use), forcing me to take off the gloves and play with fingernails every time i had to open-close the jacket, that's far from pleasant when you want to keep your hands warm or you need to close the jacket fast due to snow and ice that's falling from above. For some reason Arc'teryx decided to use super weak YKK slider for the main zipper on all of their Alpha jackets. They need to change it since i'm not the only one that have experienced this malfuncion. I'm also really happy that it broke during the casual weekend climbing instead of some more serious expedition.
Brilliant video! I was wondering what the difference was between all the different versions, and this video explained everything so well.
Innit Todd
I have been using different Arcteryx products for climbing, mountaineering, hiking and skiing. They are superb !
I have the Alpha SV (L) for the days when it is extremely wet and windy, but not cold enough to need more than a lighter weight (Mammut Broad Peak) puffy. For colder days I have a Mammut Meron HS (XL) that has a more room for layering. For very cold days I have a Beta SV (XL) that fits over a fleece and belay jacket. My last trip to the UK in winter I only took the Alpha because I really don't need much insulation for the relatively warm UK winters.
This is like the best video explaining Arcteryx products
I bought an Alpha SV as a climber, over a year ago. By far my most favorite purchase. It’s been around the world twice with me. I got it in black so I can use it for more activities. You can wear it with a suit on a wet day and it looks smart. Climbing, hiking, skiing and around town. Overall, it can be overkill for around town sometimes. But hey, you feel awesome wearing one!
You look like a twat wearing an Alpha SV over a suit.
@@gooel at least he’ll wear a suit
Such a good break down the the Arcteryx jacket line up. Well done guys!
I get a ton of use out of my Zeta LT shell. It’s light so it’s great for hiking, I use it for skiing, and although I prefer leathers if I think it might rain I will wear it motorcycling. In fact it’s great for motorcycling because sometimes u just want something light and breathable that is also windproof, depending on the temp. Obviously it’s a great everyday rain jacket too. If I put a puffer on underneath it can handle pretty much the coldest weather Chicago has to offer. That’s why I don’t mind the high price for a shell, as it can replace so many other jackets if u wanted it to.
Brilliant this has cleared so many things up. Thanks. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Informative video. A few things they didn't say:
If you think you can't afford any Arc'teryx, they also have an outlet page, take a look at it. Gore Tex also exists in many quality rival brands that aren't as expensive.
Arc'teryx is also almost always cut with an athletic build. So if you're thin it fits good. If you're "normal" it may fit okay, if a little snug. If you're heavy, you're going to be a lot better off going for a brand like Columbia Sportswear, The North Face, or others. Their product line is not quite the build quality, not built as dedicated to highly technical wear, but likely to work well for you and save you some money.
Alpher, Beeta and Zeeter. I'm with him so far. :)
so when it comes out...it might be called Deeealta? >:)
Great thorough review. The only wear and tear I see in my 2018 version are the elastic cuffs have a small rip from the jacket more like a hole and the primaloft isn’t as puffy but it’s still a great jacket.
BRILLIANT VIDEO THANKS! Been wanting to know more about Arcteryx for ages to pleased to have seen this! If you can do more videos on their other products for hikers (eg jumpers, trousers) that would be great!
Got Beta AR and the only thing I regret about it is not getting M instead of L, even though most of my normal and hiking clothes are L sometimes even XL! I mean it’s not that big of a problem but still…
Technical is good! Do more!
Bought a Theta AR 5 years ago. All taped seams have come away, most of the goretex is detached and finally the zip is now broken.
Have gone back to using my £5 secondhand Peter Storm jacket.
have fun sweating your ass off in a polyurethane coated nylon jacket
Did you remember to wash it? your sweat will destroy the glue, its the most common killer of goretex jackets
@@erueru2014 Thanks for that information. I did wash the jacket occasionally following Arcteryx care instructions. The majority of people I talked to about washing warned me that over-washing was the greater danger. If you have an article to hand about the sweat I'd be interested to read it.
Buy a Norröna Falketind Gore-Tex jacket next time. Thats quality from Norway. 28000mm waterproof and breath extremely well. A bit pricy about 400 dollar. But it last rest of your life. (:
@@Nedroj it's the same goretex acteryx uses
Great video, wish I’d seen it before I ordered my jacket. I ended up sending two back before I decided on the Beta LT
You only need Arcteryx for roaming the subway
Why does the interviewer talk about it as if people buy multiple rain jackets for different weather. I mean sure I’ll buy the 800€ Alpha SV but also 3 cheaper ones in case the weather is not that bad and if it gets worse while I’m out and about I’ll just regret wearing the wrong one lmao
Because if you're into different disciplines and doing them during different times of year, it would be beneficial to have different jackets that are more suited for that specific condition. I have an alpha sv for skiing/winter hiking during harsh conditions. I like how roomy it is at the shoulders, and the thick 100D nylon face fabric means I can bushwack with 0 fears of tearing the jacket. In the summer, i prefer using the Beta SL hybrid because its lightweight, packable, and much more breathable than the Gore Pro membrane. Then there are the midlayers and parkas. Synthetic parka for when expect it to be wet and cold, like shoulder season hikes, and then I'll have a down parka for things like winter camping, where i'm mostly using it during static phases and its cold enough that there won't be rain which would diminish the capabilities of down. The more you know.
This seasons been interesting, I received no less than 3 times "25%" off...
I can tell you arcteryx jacket doesn't last you a lifetime. And they only offer warranty for the life expectancy of the jacket. had a Alpha SV for 7 years. Sent it for repair under the warranty but they wouldn't do. They say it's end of product life. Then they said they will try to do it but it won't be waterproof anymore. So in the end, I got 40% off for a new item.
Very informative. I'm using a Zeta LT (I believe), but never knew what it's actual purpose was? I just use it when it's raining or windy 😅
The Zeta LT is the light version (second heaviest in the Zeta line), with the Zeta being designed for hiking and all around activities. Many, if not most, Arcteryx waterproof jackets have hoods designed to fit helmets. The Zeta hood is a “regular” hood, not necessarily designed to fit over a hood. That is a good thing (smaller hood) for folks who don’t participate in or expect to use the jacket conditions where helmets are worn.
GorTex patent has expired ages ago and there are a lot of similar (cheaper) fabrics on the market
Like what? Not doubting you I’m just curious.
@@UpstateBreezy Dryvent, Omni-tech, H2NO for instance. Maybe it's not one for one, but principle is the same
@@stevey6294 agree, however people love to flex the fossil.
For sure.
he uses 'for sure' like huge uses 'like' :)
Leona Kadir for sure 😂
3 Shell jackets A,B,Z.. .X.4 SV, AR, LTSL, LTFL, = 12.. X sizes say 4 ...XL. L. M. S. 48.. X colour 3 = 144 a fair bit of stock / choice
Climb in my royal navy surplus foul weather jacket. Is 3 layer goretex and heavy fabric. Only cost £40. Keeps me dry while climbing. Can't afford the risk of slicing open a £200 coat on sharp rocks.
REI and Mountain hardware GTX Lines are excellent and half the cost.
Are they?
Great video! Thanks for sharing
Thanks this was a clear explanation.
this is actually super helpful thank you
Alot of talk along with the dollars. Just get you a blackdiamond shell for a nice fit and IF you can shred that up use gear-aid patches to repair. Their perfect and give your jacket some personality.
Excellent explanation TY
Thank you, very useful !
I miss the times when you could walk into the store and ask for a rain jacket size large.
It's a lot easier to understand than most people think. Lets just say Alpha SV is number 1, and Alpha AR is number 2 on the activity intensity ladder. When you're deciding which to buy, you have to ask yourself, is there a pontenial I will be doing this Alpha activity in an SV enviroment. If the answer is yes, then buy the Alpha SV and don't look back, because the SV will cover the AR category as well. All you have to do is open up some zippers, and you can cool yourself down should you find yourself in less severe conditions. Now, if you ask yourself the same question and your answer is you're not going to be in any SV weather conditons then you buy the AR. If you buy the AR, and one day you find yourself in a SV weather condition then you're just shit-outta-luck, Shirly. The worlds hates you! ;) If light weight is your main focus, and you believe you're not going to be in a SV weather condition then buy LT, and don't look back. We all need to get away from wanting to buy the best to, instead, buying what we can afford, and what suits are purpose.
OK... this biggest question I have is deciding which to get for Trekking long distances (not climbing) with possible fowl weather like Northern Sweden, Finland or high altitudes like 14K feet +; which line do you choose? Especially if you're hiking all day, where you need good storm protection, but very breathable and durable because of wearing a pack.
Alpha, Beta, Zeta? AR or FL? :(
I wish I could ask the ArcTeryx rep this question.
Thoughts...
Actually....The frustrating part of this is the lack of technicality. Whenever I am jacket shopping, I feel like I am surround by morons. Give me specifications, hard numbers, limitations and ratings. The guy kept saying "features"....dude tell me what these so called "features" are. It seems like every company is making or selling brand name fashion statements. I just want a functional jacket. Maybe I should start a jacket company because it shouldn't be this hard.
I don't know if these numbers are as detailed as you want to know, but basically, their gear can be differentiated in the thickness of the external fabric (NP-40, NP-80, NP-100, NP-115) and the type of Goretex membrane used (GORETEX PRO, GORETEX, GORETEX PACLITE). All the other differences are more use and design-oriented.
@@ANML I ended up getting the Beta SV Jacket and Bib-Pant shells. I will use them in the forest, so I figure that the thicker outer fabric will help protect them from getting shredded by the brush.
@@MichaelQuantum excellent choices.
Very clear !
What jacket is Ross wearing? Atom LT Hoody?
yessir
What would you use for climbing Kilimanjaro using layers?
This was amazingly helpful! Thank you!
Super appreciated, really helpful!
Watching this in 2021, these blokes are uncomfortably close to each other.
If it wasn't for u it wouldn't be a problem lmao
@@BobGnarly420 That was low key racist.
Who would say that. What is wrong with you?!?? Lol
Please make such videos with other brands like Ortovox. The Video is super helpful!!
I'll be picking up a Beta SV
Which one to walk the 500 mile Camino de Santiago in April-May??
mountain bike riding for the trails . which one ?
I have a arcteryx leaf alpha lt and I would really want to know how the leaf line goretex compares to the civilian line.
In general the face fabric is thicker on the civilian clothing from 40p-X Beta AR to 100p-X on the Alpha SV vs 45r-X on the LEAF but the LEAF stuff is ripstop and designed to be worn over body armor so the fit, especially in the arms is different (way bigger)
Subduded colours and logos are also subduded and small.
Nice presentation guys!
Question please: i'm doing a lot of winter cycling (fatbike), need some light warm and breathable model that i can wear with 1 or 2 layers that will carry me up with -12 °C.
Could you suggest me ZETTA SL model? Or another?
Thank you very much!
I never use my Alpha SV jacket, or my Beta AR pants. Why? They are heavy and cumbersome for something that just hangs out in the bottom of my pack. I finally purchased some very lightweight shells that pack up small and are super light. If I knew I was going to be standing under a waterfall all day, sure, I would wear them, but for bringing them along just to bring them along seems stupid. I live in the PNW and it rains all the time, they are like wearing a tent. After climbing in the Alps and seeing the European mindset of going fast and light. I haven't looked back and kinda feel that the heavier gear is kind of a dinosaur way of thinking. They are beautiful pieces and do what they are intended to do, but I am not going to be climbing with them unless I know the weather is going to be absolute shit and to be honest, I really try to stay out of weather like that, I don't enjoy it.
Nice products just in my opinion it’s overpriced even for technical gear. Plus the warranty should be lifetime like Patagonia and outdoor research.
Great Brand
Okay so that was confusing. Lol. So I don’t rock climb but I live in Wisconsin were it gets super cold and snows a bunch. I have young kids that love to play in the snow and go sledding a lot. I walk my dog and also go mountain biking in the summer. Nothing too crazy. What would be the best shell option for me? Thank you!
Who are these people who own a different Arcteryx Jacket for every conceivable condition? That's like 10 grand jackets..
I am 🤙
Is that the 2018 woad beta lt? The yellow one
But i neeeeed that sweet Alpha SV sir ! xD
so what’s the best jacket to trap?
Does anyone check the weather any more? If its raining, im not climbing
Fantastic video, thanks!
I want the SV but I cant afford it for stuff like rainier or for doing Denali in future
I need a wind proof, water proof shell for skiing ,outdoor, and regular day. that will last Years
Buy an Norröna Falketind Gore-Tex jacket. It last the rest of your skiing career. It's a great quality and fits like a glove. It's a Norwegian brand. It's around 400 dollar.
beta ar
Which jacket is the interviewee wearing?
Make and model of the interviewers down jacket? Thanks
It looks like a Cerium hoody to my eye (I own two of those).
@@rickhemphill3213 thought so too but cant see arcteryx badging on left chest
Great explanation! Still overpriced for me. I would rather spend the money going to climb.
Is he wearing the atom lt in paradox?
I wish the jackets were little longer.
There are tons of choices out there, but Arc'teryx offers better fitting for the skinny people like me, also the unique and beautiful colour choices they made~
They forgot to explain the "mx" line.
MX Line is for mixed weather, typical British weather windy rainy constantly changing etc.
The code is cracked! Puzzle solved! I'm prolly getting Alpha SL
My question is where can fit in this whole explanation the leaf alpha jacket gen 2 ?
Is that have a stronger material than the beta sv or alpha sv ?
I have both the Beta SV and the Alpha Gen 2. Beta SV is n80p-x and the Gen 2 is 45r-x (ripstop) for the body and n30p for the hood. The Alpha SV is 100p-X. So the Beta and Alpha SVs are tougher but not ripstop. The Gen 2 is great IF you are wearing it over combat gear or body armor or have the arms of a body builder. The arms are big enough to put my legs in FYI. You have to buy Arcteryx LEAF gear through a different outfitter. I used US Elite Gear.
You missed Delta, where does that line fit in?
Aren't the deltas just their lightweight fleece sweaters?
@@dreww2475 yup
What jacket does the guy have on? The blue jacket?
Looks like an Atom AR in Neptune colour
Atom lt hoody.
So why are these such hot ski jackets, seems like a lot of people are using them as extreme ski jackets.
Very good video. Clear and forward. It really helped me a lot at understanding why these jackets cost that much and I now understand that its not just an overpriced piece of bullshit, but a very special equipment geared towards climbers
What is the dernier on the AR and LT? I'm a ski instructor but managed to put a few holes and tears in my Arc'teryx Sabre pants so I want a more durable and rugged solution. Things that can resist cutting / tearing falling on an ice walled superpipe or trees, branches, rocks or maybe even a ski cuts. I was wondering if an SV or AR might be good for that. What colour is your jacket? Paradox?
what about atom and gamma-
Thanks for the explanation.
Isn't mountaineering for hippies in vans? Yuppies who have NEVER climbed a small hill in a park are the ONLY ppl I've ever seen with this DRAMATICALLY priced brand. NEVER seen popular climbers EVER wearing this.
What happened to Gamma?
Lam Tran Gamma is a soft shell. He was focusing on the hard shells.
its called 'Archaeopteryx'
brb just sending this to every 'trendy' east londoner
GORE-TEX® C-KNIT®, GORE-TEX® PACLITE®, & GORE-TEX® PRO. They will keep you dry, but do have interior exertion limits as evidenced by the myriad of pit zips, side zips, vents, etc. I can completely wet out the interior of my Beta SL Hybrid on a 20 minute bike commute at 5ºC 🚴♂️. On the other hand, I can snowboard all day in my Sidewinder & remain totally comfortable & bone dry at 2ºC in hideous mixed rain & snow 🏂.
The real elephant in this room is the pronunciation of 'Beta'! All kidding aside though, great video.
That's how us British pronounce it mate
He said he wears the clothes because they are sponsors... 🙄
Ark'teryx is too clumsy to pronounce, so now I know what to call it:
Huxley gear for Alphas, Betas, etc.
for sure
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Complete waste of money if your not using it for a sport. Just to walk around in the city to be seen like the iphones.
Hi. Good review, as always. I have a question. I just bought a Beta SV and after two days of use I realized that what you see around the Arcteryx logo on the inside of the jacket I'm starting to see it show through on the outside of the jacket, around the logo. Is it normal?
No it’s not. I have the same jacket. How is your fit? Mine is on the baggier side because I bought mine to fit over a down layer.
#futurelight
Man wishes he could buy an arcteryx
To be honest. I AM FUCKING 100 PERCENT CONFUSED. APLHA BETA GAMMA 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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