Introducing the 6.5 BC - a Wildcat Special: How to Start Wildcatting
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024
- Remember that time after our first podventure when Jimmy and Mark said they’d never reload again? Well, technically we’re not reloading just yet… We’re wildcatting! Wildcatting is essentially the process of throwing caution to the wind, along with all other familiar territory and off-the-shelf parts for loading your own ammunition and attempting to develop your own cartridge. Of course, Mark and Jimmy aren’t going to do this by themselves, so they’ve enlisted our local cartridge expert, Ryan Muckenhirn, to basically do all the work of making a kick butt cartridge. In this episode, we go through what wildcatting is, why you might want to do it, and how one would even go about beginning such a process. We also unveil our concept for the “6.5 BC” (And you know what “B.C.” stands for!)
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Dude said bitch-cat casually and they built a whole ass cartridge 😂
I’d love to see a cartridge talk over the 280/280AI
Noah Horinek I'm a life long user and lover of the 280 Rem cartridge. The 280 AI takes it to near magnum levels and just might be the perfect one rifle owners gun.
My common sense tells me that 280 AI would be a barrel burner.
Emory Bragg yes I wouldn’t build one as a target type high use rifle. My brother has a custom 280AI and buys 280 Rem factory loads and fires them in it and they shoot tiny little groups while gaining chamber formed brass. He bought 2 cases of Nosler’s best 280AI ammo to have brass after already stamped 280AI. He says the cheaper 280 Rem shoots better than the premium Nosler ammo half the time!
If you hunt with shots under 500 yards for deer then the 280 Rem is plenty. For elk dial it back to 350 yards with at least a 160 grain bullet and it’s all you ever need.
@@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib It isnt known for long barrel life in the sense of a target gun. But it has long barrel life for a hot hunting round. 800-1200 sub 1/4 MOA, 1200-1800 1/2MOA ish with respect to all the crazy variables that go into that.
Not often that an inside joke of a meme becomes reality. I love it.
you reinvented the .264 Win mag
Is there a 28 Nosler conversation? Ive recently dropped an Elk at 560y, Oryx at 430, and a Barberry Sheep at 740. Best cartridge Ive ever shot by far.
It’s a slight variation on the 26 nosler
ryans reaction to hearing the vernacular the first time was funny as hell
Omg I dont even know how to describe Mark's face when Jimmy starts on with Toolception 🤣
If I was to build something "out there" it would be based off of the B&M cartridge family. Essentially a shortened RUM, personally I would neck it to 358, run a cutting edge single feed MTH bullet at about 275-340 grains. The length of a rum action would allow the shortened brass to feed the super long single feed bullets out of a magazine. Should have great long range ability and also crushing close range horse power.
I have zero experience in wildcatting and have never even reloaded any cartridges but my 1st thought on making a custom cartridge would be taking the 6.5 Grendel and either doing an " Ackley Improved" of it &/or trying to get it to somehow work with standard bolt & mags...or if those are a dead end then maybe just necking down a .50 Beowulf to something still elk-capable but with some improvement to range.
Grendel is pretty much Ackleyed already. As for the Beowulf, I don't know but it seems like it would be hard to create a good shoulder from scratch. Why not take .25 WSSM and neck it up to whatever you're trying to achieve. 338 maybe? 375 even?
This is very exciting. I can’t wait to see/hear how it shoots.
Looks like a awesome hunting cartridge I want one in 7mm
it's called the 7mm Rem mag
You made a 6,5 prc but good vid
Great podcast guys. Very interesting. Can’t wait to see the groups it’ll shoot.
I do own a custom but been to scared to fire it 25-378 weatherby magnum in a 30 inch barrel when it was built it had a 1 moa group but also was pure lightning bolt and took years to develop but it’s like holding actual lightning bolt in ur hands
Need a new 358 cal. 35 Whelen is long in the tooth, 358 STA is a belted magnum that is made from 8mm rem mag case you can't get anymore. Cutting Edge bullets makes a 340 grain all copper bullet with RIDICULOUS b.c. Would love for you 3 to make something from that. Great show you guys !
Somebody already took an ultra mag case and necked it up to 358. This would be a hammer with that 340 grain bullet.
Excited for the next one!
Take a look at Dr. Ken Howell's book Designing and Forming Custom Cartridges for Rifles and Hadguns. It is the bible for wildcats.
Very cool endeavor guys. I will look forward to the additional podcasts and hopefully, at some point, you will tell us the brass manufacturer you used. Also, it’s tough to beat the Nosler projectiles so maybe Ryan can include one Nosler option in the load development
I believe they said it was hand turned by RCC
When you gonna include this in your new ultimate deer cartridge series 😂 would be fun to see it in the expanded format!
You could also in side reem the neck to get thickness
6.5X284 with Lapua brass
What happens if they start to produce the wildcat catridge they you made do they have to pay you something for useing your round?
How did I miss this series?
🤷♂🤣
Okay Ryan, spill the beans. You are a 280 AI guy, what bullet would use in a 280AI for open country Mule Deer and WT Deer?
Federal terminal assent is hard to beat.
162 eldx.
@@joshsinglefooter great bullet but don’t need that strong of bullet.
I'd like to see a WSM case with a stretched neck and 194 grain Berger 7 mm bullet on it loaded to a 30-06 length! Or you could use the 180 grain solid copper
The lrx 127 is a great bullet, but with these faster 6.5 chamberings, I think barnes should come out with a 135-145 grain bullet in .264 diameter. It sounds like this wildcat and the 26 nosler cartridges that would take it well and still push it close to 2900 fps or more. I'm sure there are more hot 6.5s but these were just the ones off the top of my head
One day I'm gonna need a .338 bitchcat in a Ruger #1.
Schaaaa-Wiiiiinnnggggg!
I’m using Badlands Bulldozers. 135gr with a bc of .7
I reckon people should wildcat using the 224 valkyrie bullet. Get one of those really crazy long bullets and put it behind a 243.
“A whole level of nerd that I cannot even try to achieve…” Coming from Ryan that is a frightening concept! 😂.
Of course “nerd” isn’t the correct term. “Ballistics engineer” might be a starting point for discussion…
Could also try the terminal ascent bullet for long range and test that.
I was going to recommend the same thing.
You should look at Patriot valley arms 122gr solid copper projectiles I took a buck this year that was a 300prc with his hunting bullets absolutely the best thing out there
Did you load specd aol , or shorter ?
Neck up the 6.5 PRC case to 7mm ... a much better version of the 284 win in a short action length...
I already am in talks with some reamer makers
So you mean the 7 RSAUM?
@@Whitey3755 Close... I am doing a slight shoulder degree change and OAL change to the brass
Look at the sherman magnums....I think you will find that Mr Sherman is already doing this
@@kirkmartin2223 thank you.I called and he uses Rsaum brass or the custom brass made for his cartridges. I am using the PRC case. One, because I have a 6.5 PRC and two the brass is more readily available right now...can’t speak for how well it does in the future. Plus this will be a 7mm and I want to ensure it does fit in a R700 SA. But I do like his 7SS and will not discard it for consideration.
How about single base powders for being more stable for all conditions? arent they generally better?
The newer dual base powders are proving very temp stable and high energy (speed). Single base powders can also be very temp stable, and burn cooler (better barrel life, less speed). Really comes down to the specific formulation
How about necking 300 WSM down to 6.5?
6.5 wsm is a thing
Shot the 264wsm for a while, very solid long range hunting cartridge. Simple neck down of 270wsm brass.
I figured it might be after I wrote it. Good to know, thanks.
How about an 20mm RH 202 necked down to 6.5
Would really love it if you guys did a dedicated 10min talk in the .243 wssm couldent find much info on youtube about it thats not 10years old.. Guess the round pushes 4000fps
sounds like a barrel burner
Not to sound like a smarta$$ but there is a reason why most info about the wssm cartridges is 10 years old. Very few people are shooting those rounds. Brass for reloading them is near impossible to find. And off the top of my head I cant think of a rifle that is currently being chambered in those cartridges. Thats not to say that the wssm cartridges are junk but they are definitely barrel burners liked by a niche crowd.
Good call, I have a Winchester M70 in 25 WSSM, ive managed to acquire a couple hundred cases too, so im good for a while. Very cool cartridges' and perform very well
RCC brass? I heard it’s soft. Have you guys shot any yet?
Heck yeah 6.5 VTX
300 magnum to 7mm I think that’s the way I’m going to go with a fast twist barrel maybe 1:7.5 for the 190 grain bullets brass would be easy to find and sorta cheap and a little more powder without being just bad to shoot I know it’s already a wildcat cartridge but I like it and do a 6.5 prc and go to 22 cal and see how fast you can get it going that might be cool
How does the BC compare to 26 Nosler?
Looking forward to finding out
Holy crap I posted on another video about this I figured it was bobcat BC but yall were being serious with the Bitch-Cat... LMAO That's comedy gold!!!
Did we ever get a twist rate on the 6.5 BC
Ah 1-7.5 to 1-8
Can you shoot and give your opinions on the 300 Ham’r? I built 3 and I think it’s the cat’s meow!
The 6.5 VTX!
😉
How do I get one of these 6.5mm vortex BC rifles?
Imagine if you could get Hornady or somebody to produce this 👀 (with a Barnes bullet)
Pretty sure hornady would want to use one of their own CX or ECX instead of barnes for a new load
Can we see a chamber or cartridge drawing with dimensions please?
Where can I get a 6.5BC?
Would I be correct in assuming that this an 8 twist barrel? Also very curious as to the brass manufacturer.
RCC would be my guess
Qual-cart would be my guess
Case capacity?
This is great but can we address the elephant in the room that’s there is a thing called a 6.5 prc that’s already commercially popular and is basically everything these guys wanted
How's things going with this ...man I wanna build a custom in this
It would be interesting to see one of those cases cross sectioned.
That would be pretty neat - we'll see what we can do! :)
@@VortexNation Wire EDM :)
A Dremel works just fine...
A 338 bc would be interesting. Might even be faster
Love the podcast.. enjoy listening to Ryan and Mark.. wish Jim wasn't the lead..
Need a 25 BitchBlackCat( blackjack bullet) 🤣🤣🤣
I was hoping for a .277 wildcat. There’s already more than enough 6.5’s. If you build the rifle, the bullet manufacturers will follow....
That's a good point. From the 6.5 Grendel to the 26 Nosler, the 6.5 bore is well served. How would a new cartridge carve out its own spot? The .277 is gaining popularity with the 6.8 SPC, 27 Nosler, and 270 WSM being recent additions, relatively speaking. Probably necking down a .308 would fill a gap between the SPC and the .270 Winchester. Of course that would basically be an equivalent to the 6.5 Creedmoor. There aren't a lot of gaps in the capability of current cartridges and many recent offerings are more about getting existing capability in a different gun than about fitting in a gap in existing capabilities.
6.8 western might solve that.
300 WSM necked down to 6.5 for a .264 WSM.
Looks like a 6.5 Norma Magnum.
Isn’t this just a 6.5-300 weatherby magnum?
.22 Creedmoor with a long 120 grain bullet pushing 3600 fps
I want someone to make a 25 grendel
With a 131gn blackjack bullet! 👍👍
That would be the 25 York, which is very similar in dimensions to the 257 Roberts.
Heavier bullets dont have to be longer... depends on the bullet material.
I thought Mark was going to eat Jim at the 42:08 mark...
.270 wsm necked down to 6.5 ?
🤠 Jim Carmichael and Kenny Jarrett already did this - it is called a 6.5 Leopard! I believe it held the 10 shot group 1000 yards World Record for a short time!
What was the FPS
So here's my latest thought. .416 RCM. Guesstimating a 300 grain Barnes TSX at around 2400fps with livable recoil.
The original tool was a Rock
Wish they didnt try to be comedians all the time. I do like the show thank yall for the content!
Another barrel rotter. Just like the 26 nosler
I wanna be mad about his 7mm hate, but he is not wrong
Remington did this, 6.5 Remington mag.
6.5 BMG lol 🤣 that would be a Bitch Cat
4831sc is to fast for a 6.5 with that case capacity. Go to H1000
If I had to design a 6.5mm cartridge, I would take a 7.5 x 55 Swiss, neck down to 6.5…
I’d hunt with it. 26 Nosler (?)
I’ll wait for the 6mm bitchcat 😸
Just a thought, Jim and Mark always say, "neck it down, and make it better." Why not try .257 BC? Just neck down to 25 caliber.
Poor selection of bullets available.
Shoulder looks like a Sherman
U have never talked about a 24 Catbert
Sticking with my 270. Maybe someone should just neck down a 30-06 case to 6.5/30-06.
They have the 6.5-06 A square, and 6.5-06 AI, long action, but they are out there
@@iceman1678 cool.
it's all been done. but for the sake of conversation for the sake of conversation i suppose.
Don't overlook the 22-284 Winchester front ignition wild cat.
Better use monolithic bullets in that monster
6.5mm - .375HH? or maybe 6.5mm - 300HH. Interesting.
Well, what that would be, roughly ,the .264 Win Mag. Not a bad idea, but someone got there 50 years ago.
The selling point of H&H is it's established. If I'm going to wildcat I'll go off a more efficient catridge like WSM
My Sister in Laws cat has had the nickname of Bitch Kitty for the last 10 years... peaceful as hell until she wasn't...
270 creedmoor
Ohhh...good one.
6.5 mm in a 338 lapua magnum case
@Killary For Prison talk about a barrel burner
Sounds like 26 nosler
Math for cool guy 😎 Nerds
.224 Valkyrie
Here are maybe some good names like AMERICAN PATRIOT or PATRIOT or maybe CONSTITUTION maybe POTENTATE
Maybe COMMIE EATER LOL
223 WSSM
7 mm PRC
26 Nosler ......
Note to everyone else, don't load a cartridge up to the top with blue dot. You will blow up your rifle. I have personal experience.
Don't do that with any powder. Unless your reloading manual says it's ok.
I'm going to create the ultimate wildcat.
The 35 creedmoor. It's short, slow, portly, not too bright and incredibly mediocre.
277 neck down to 6mm
So basically us normal reloaders have no chance at modern-day wildcatting, given all the uber-expensive steps involved and having to know certain ppl in the industry to actually be willing to do your requested customization. Great 😒
Not exactly. Don't get us wrong - this is a heck of a process and isn't exactly cheap, but it's not impossible. The hardest part undoubtedly is just coming up with a cartridge on paper that you think will work and also that hasn't already been done before. Even some people will probably tell you that something like the 6.5 BC has been done before (Though, after much trial and error, we couldn't find anything). Custom gun smiths to make a barrel and fit it to a Remington 700 like ours are all over. Companies like PTG or other die and reamer manufacturers do this sort of thing for other wildcatters as their job. Likewise, companies like RCC brass do this for a living as well and are there to help anyone who comes to them. From there, the rest of the stuff we used was off the shelf. It took a lot of know-how from Ryan and his experience to know what to look for, but hopefully you can find information like that or have someone that could help you, too.
@@VortexNation do you draw up a spec sheet and send it to a reamer maker then send the reamer to the barrel maker? I always thought that was all it took. Brass wouldnt be an issue, as id use commercial brass and form it myself into the dimension i was after (after getting dies made, of course)