To me the problem is that the “middle ground” between TTO and Traditional baseball is the absolute best players in the sport Soto, Trout, Tatis, Acuna etc. They are outliers and require immense talent.
I think the most in-between guy right now is ohtani. His average isn't great but he tries to unload everytime, but still can place a ball. To me Trout, Tatis, and VladJR are just too complete to be compared.
That’s not a middle ground...it’s a fusion of the best of all worlds. A middle ground would be Gallo adjusting his approach to trade some walks/HR’s for singles/doubles.
@@33moneyball .....thats what ohtani does he's just been better at hitting HRs this year than Gallo. I think Ohtani would have more HR than he has if he had an approach like Gallos, but he swings more than Gallo and he hits more line drives than Gallo. But I think that may just be the way I see it compared to you.
I hate Stanton. Biggest bust in NYY history. He needs to be GONZO. Gallo, at least as a lefty, will have much greater success in Yankee Stadium, unless he cant handle NY like Clint Frazier, Randy Johnson, and so many others. Imagine tho how great the Yankees would be if Stanton, Judge, Gallo, etc would hit like a real baseball player and not just swinging for the fences every at bat and failing 80% of the time. So tired of screaming at my TV because Stanton and Judge suck at hitting. The Yankees need to rebuild around Gallo, Rizzo, Odor, and Greg Allen.
I was worried this would be like an Italk hitpiece on Gallo, but you did good, I am in Texas and we loved him, he gets on base ALOT, he is a diamond fielder and hits HR. He is a steal for NYY and yesterday he hit 2 doubles and a HR, GO JOEY
I wouldn't call a career .335 OBP "A LOT" lmao. Lifetime .210 hitter. He's a horrid hitter.... absolute garbage hitter. I will say this though..... he's still pretty young and has the potential to improve. But if he insists on trying to hit 40+ HR every year, he's going to continue hitting below .250.
@@billyfraiser6298 He has a .379 OBP this year, .859 OPS. He has a career OPS+ of 116, which is well above average. Looking only at batting average and calling someone a garbage hitter shows a pretty bad and outdated understanding of baseball. Gallo is an objectively a good hitter.
@@billyfraiser6298 hey man, dont know if you've seen the date lately but its year 2021, maybe get outta that 1920's baseball mindset and youd see gallo is great lmao
@@billyfraiser6298 garbage hitter. lmao. he hits like every power hitter today. I don't necessarily agree with this but he's not alone by far. also a gem in the field. as a Yankee fan, he far outweighs luke Voight and Sanchez.
Once someone figures out how to win with contact hitting and stealing, the pendulum will swing back. The only winning team to do that recently was the Royals in 2014-15 and that was because of their absurd success in contcat hitting and a dominant pen.
@@KingcoleIIV The solution to the shift is being able to hit the ball the other way with consistency. Some people assume that when people tell pull hitters to hit it the other way we don't want them to try to hit home runs. That's not it... we love seeing them hit home runs, or pulling the ball so hard that it gets through the infield, but they need to develop to mindsets- mashing and slapping. If there is no shift on, mash away. If there is a shift on take the free base. I mean, think of a Boggs or Gwynn or Suzuki... now imagine a team putting a hard shift on them... they would have batted .600. You just have to look at the defense. If they are shifting you, take the free single. If they aren't, hit like normal. As long as you show them you can beat the shift consistently they won't be able to put on an extreme shift. Home run ball, I suspect the bigger answer is deadening the ball a bit. Right now virtually everyone is able to hit it out. Take some of the juice out of it or move the outfield walls back a bit and when it becomes harder to actually leave the yard you change the math on whether trying is good baseball. They've talked about moving the mound back. I think it would make more sense to deaden the ball but at the same time lower the stitching so they break a little less... although I guess that doesn't solve the problem with guys throwing 100... maybe they need to lower the mound again.
@@nacoran okay but less homeruns = less interest and fans of the sport. I love watching 9 inning pitchers duel but most people are not like me and like offense. One of the reasons they banned sticky substances is that it was cutting down on offense across the league. If only contact hitting was happening then baseball would die
@@nacoran also how about instead of making all these changes you are suggesting or people are suggesting, how about we leave it alone. Baseball is as popular as its been in a long time. I would rather let it naturally keep going. I know they may take the extra Runner in an extra-inning games and stuff like that minor things let's not screw it up
You need to talk about how the market effects gameplay. If .330 average guys were getting paid, you’d see BA skyrocket, if K/9 weren’t the most important metric in getting paid max value, you’d see a lot less walks. It’s not advanced stats, it’s about trying to maximize how much money you can make.
Fans of teams who strike out a lot know they are way more fun to watch when they have those days where they're scoring a lot thanks to base hits and doubles and not just one home run after like 8 straight strikeouts with men on base, it's frustrating.
I'm curious to see how Nick Madrigal will factor in here, as he is the opposite of Joey Gallo as a hitter in almost every way, and his career batting average is over .300 so far.
@@KingcoleIIV OPS is only .735, mostly because he doesn't hit as many home runs, doesn't walk a ton, has speed You are correct, there are more stats out there
@@KingcoleIIV if you're hitting over .300 he isn't hitting into two balls. there are more stats out there yes, but if you're hitting over .300 you're an elite contact hitter. If you're willing to take walks+home runs in lieu of strikeouts. I'll take the avg and babpip in lieu of less walks. Can't have it both ways.
Try check a bit about Asian Baseball, in special Japanese Baseball, they master the ground play/small ball arts and just got the Olympic Gold just just doing it
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle Dude they were also without their best players, no Ohtani, no Kikuchi, No Yu Darvish, but still they had won Also many people consider Japan as AAAA, almost MLB level, not mentioning Japanese teams had played competitive level with MLB many times on recent past, including winning 5 times over a MLB team with Acuña and Soto on it
@@superninja252 There's a reason there aren't more Japanese players in MLB, and there's a reason that most of them aren't particularly remarkable. The NPB being AAAA is also pretty ficticious, it's probably closer to AA. The Japanese team was missing a few of their best players, Team USA was missing literally all of their best players. And just about any professional team can win one baseball game, there's a reason why they play 162 games in the regular season and have playoff series, rather than single elimination games, baseball is a fairly high variance sport with a considerable luck/randomness factor.
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle AA? YOU KIDDING ME? Dude, isn't me saying it, actual MLB analysts refer NPB as AAAA, they mostly say the Japanese league has technically better performance than all american minor leagues, not mentioning the various minor league systems in Japan Also you know that NPB has 160 games + playoffs as well RIGHT?
I did a data science project this semester on increasing TTO rates and decreasing fan attendance (before COVID). I didn't find a mathematical correlation, but it is still interesting to see these trends are existing together.
If you get on base 37% of the time and hit for extra bases and home runs at this rate you have the same value as someone that hits .320 but doesnt hit for extra bases
Because of how effective pitchers are there is no real point in going for base hits, chances are you are getting left on unless somebody gets a homer. Thats why Gallo is important, he might not get many hits, but when he does it actually matters(scores runs)
Pitchers aren't that effective. Look at the stats from the 80s and 90s...pitchers were way more efficient. They also pitched far more innings than they do today.
@@aaronsanborn4291exactly. It’s not that the pitchers are more effective lol. It’s that today’s batters basically close their eyes, pray and swing out of their shoes. Maybe not in that exact order 😂. Garbage game this has become. No more stolen bases, no more double and triples, no more anything fun and exciting at all. Just striking out and hitting bombs. Insanely boring especially for people who came up watching the sport prior to this crappy era.
To quote the greatest hitter to ever play the game. "The so called dead ball Era. The ball wasn't dead, the hitters were. From the neck up" Hitters found out the real money was in long hits and home runs. It stopped becoming a thinking game at the plate and guy just swung for the fence every hit. That has carried all the way until the recent years where hitters are tanking thier averages trying to hit home runs. Utility short stops, first base rotators, back up catchers, etc. All trying to hit 30 home runs a year instead of hitting for average. People can say what they want about the game, but small ball and batters averaging .275+ will always be a better asset than your 1 guy hitting 30 home runs a year with 200+ strike outs. Home runs don't make you a good hitter, getting to the ball 3/10 times does. It is literally the only stat that matters
I had to explain modern baseball to my 50 year old dad and I used Joey Gallo, Brandon Lowe, Jack Cust and Aaron Judge as examples of the modern hitter.
Hot Take incoming: Aaron Judge would bat over .300 if the pitchers weren’t using sticky stuff since the start of the season. Aaron Judges batting average is about .280 right now
If you look at the most recent champions (excluding 2020 because of the shortened season) since 2011 the team that won the World Series has ranked outside the top 6 for batting average in all of baseball twice being the 2016 Cubs (14th) and the 2014 Giants (10th) that’s why I believe batting average is what makes an offense successful in players like Gallo will put butts in the seats but when everything is on the line they do what they do best and that’s strikeout.
I despise watching TTO baseball, particularly with the current pace of play. It makes me sad to see the game become less and less engaging. I've gone from watching it on TV and going to games to now just watching highlights and looking at box scores.
People evolve so did the game evolved. Either move on or find something else to do. BTW if you have a busy career, who has the time to watch tons of games since the are longer than 10 - 15 years ago?? Only the Marlin Man.
Imo there is room for every type of batter in my opinion, while it sucks that batting average is down, but as we have seen before baseball always evolves and changes we have seen that. To me if everyone were all the same Hitter it would be boring.
That’s pretty much what the league is heading towards. I’ve seen batters in the bottom of the 9th - with a runner on 3rd and less than two outs in a tie game - almost falling down swinging out of their shoes and striking out rather than just putting bat on ball and driving in the winning run. The current MLB product of batters is disgustingly boring and unintelligent really. It’s so hard to watch.
Good balanced approach. You are absolutely right, efficiency can be boring. It's why no body who wants a fun car buys an Accord or Civic. Even though they demonstrably better cars and more efficient than an Alpha Romero. It's a tension. Because yes, people want to see their teams win. But if the games are all 5-3, with 15Ks on both sides, no steals and lots of walks, the fans follow you in the box score, not on teli or in person. But it's going to be hard to move efficiency towards entertainment. What about limiting throw overs to 1st? Might get steals back. That's something. Limiting defender movement from play to play. That would get more hits back (yes, I hate the shift even though it's the right move). But launch angle and exit velocity won't be going away, not unless bats changes again or they squish the ball. One of the reasons traditional fans hate 3 true is it makes it hard to compare across genetations on raw numbers. Nolan Ryan struck out over 5k, but most of those in an era where teams rarely kept a Dave Kingman type. Were he or Koulfax pitching today they'd be getting 300ks even in 220in and each have more no hitters. But fans have already had to accept this reality with wins, and with the .400 club due to rise of relievers. Difference was those changes didn't impact enjoyment of the game. This slogfest, is honestly just not that fun to watch anymore.
Everyone always thinks that these changes are going to accelerate as time goes on, but it's a search for efficiency, not necessarily TTOs. Eventually, the efficient balance will be struck, and the TTO rate will hang in equilibrium. I think around 40-45 percent, as hitting the ball into play will always have value for scrambling defenses and cleaning up base runners who get walked or take a more contact heavy approach at the plate.
I miss my big beautiful man. Though I hate the Yankees as an entity, I don't dislike any of their players and I hope Gallo finds success. Thanks for the video boyo.
The only thing Baseball needs to do is GET RID OF THE SHIFT....make it illegal for infielders go past 2nd base on either side and cant start on the Grass.......alot more hits would be singles getting more runners on base and more movement on the bases...
@GayJew the shift whenever Gallo bats is way too extreme. Obviously you should be able to shift a little bit but not as much as teams do against big power hitters.
I'd pay to see anyone hit a baseball, tbh. It's the hardest thing to do and I appreciate if it's a line drive or a tape measure shot. There's beauty in hitting, no matter the variation
That’s not much of a compliment. Modern baseball is insanely boring. Imagine a sport where guys steal 100 plus bases, others hit 40 and 50 plus home runs, others hit .370, all while pitchers still rack up 300 plus strikeouts and sub 2.00 ERAs. We had all that during the steroid era. For baseball to go from that level of excitement to this bore fest we have now… really hurts for the people who grew up watching the game in that era. I know way too many former big baseball fans (myself included) who can’t even watch 3 innings of the current product. It’s terrible.
@@HT-sm9dm I like home runs, I enjoy a good at bat that draws a walk. Obviously strikeout aren’t fun when it’s your team but seeing a pitcher just mow down a lineup is entertaining
@@Ian00003 so you prefer a game that basically ONLY features the things you like such as walks, strikeouts and home runs over one that features all of those things plus way more exciting stuff on top of all that. You’re definitely a unicorn in that case.
Joey Gallo Is the first Major League all Star to have a career "TRUE" outcomes % of 55 or higher. Joey Gallo has a True outcome percent of 58% for his career. Nearly 6/10 plate appearances end in a K, BB, or HR.
The thing is it's not more efficient, because when all you need is one run to win the game and you have a runner on 2nd, it's a lot easier to move the runner over with sac outs or to send the ball to the outfield grass then to succeed in swinging for fences. This is also a situation that you will find yourself in more often than you'd think, there aren't even 10 combined runs scored in the average major league game. The reality is it's more efficient (or should I say more reliable) to try to knock runners in when they're in scoring position with small ball than with home runs. And even if you want to argue that swinging for the fences in a 162 game regular season is more effective (which I'd argue against, as I mentioned the majority of major league game are swayed in a big way with 1 run, and that's even early on in the game in low leverage situations) it also takes pressure off your team to have to hit bombs or be screwed) , come playoff time when it's a crapshoot and you can't guarantee you'll be hot, then you are screwed. So I have an argument for the regular season but in the playoffs it's just foolish to think 3 true outcome ball is more valuable or effective than small ball. I'll take 9 prime dj lemahieu's over 9 joey gallo's at the plate. Also, what all the analytics nerds don't account for is that a computer can only generate answers through well articulated queries through human thought processes, which is again human reliant. Sometimes I feel like it's just about people wanting to be right than it is about the more effective way. ultimately analytics is only a tool to achieve the same goal you always had, and that's winning. Sorry for the rant
He hit the nail on the head. The problem with three true outcomes baseball (beside the fact that the name itself implies something about balls in play which is patently untrue: that whether or not a ball put in play becomes a ground out or a double is a matter or pure chance. Anyone who has watched baseball for more than 5 minutes understands why that isn't true)is that it is boring to watch. This isn't quite so obvious when you are at home watching season 3 of Brooklyn Nine Nine on your TV with the game on your ipad, half paying attention until Paul Goldschmidt comes up. When you plunk down $45 or more for tickets, $20 to park, $25 for food and so on, there has to be more excitement in a 3 hour game than maybe 2 homeruns. When a man comes to the plate with runners on second and third with one out, the entire AB is excitement, not just the 4 seconds it takes a random swing to leave the yard. Threat to steal on first base creates instant excitement. Bunt situations, same. Unless rules limiting shifting are implemented, its hard to argue that the three true outcome approach isn't the smartest approach a hitter can take. Its just not all that interesting to watch. As long as trends hold, I wouldn't be surprised if you start to see attendance figures take a pretty big dip, even as TV ratings mostly hold.
If a MLB team puts the ball in play, never whiffing or walking or going yard then it will average 3-3.5 runs per 27 outs used. The league average of RC/27 for HR and BB against 27 K’s is TWICE that. Time alone will make believers of all.
No matter how productive a TTO hitter is, they are definitely less entertaining and more frustrating to watch. Like for example yeah Stanton is statistically successful as a Yankee but sometimes it's almost like he would swing at a pitch at his head (oh wait, that did happen and he fell over doing it)
This is why we shouldn't base everything on advanced metrics. You use baseline metrics that we've always used (AVG, OBP, HR, and RBIs) along with advanced metrics (exit velo, batted balls, etc.) to really grasp a players true skill/potential. Because to me, Joey Gallo is seriously not a good hitter. Nothing he does at the plate impresses me at all. Hes a good fielder with a bat that can do some damage every half moon. But thats about it.
you are completely right, as a ranger he did not pass the eye test at all. the only thing gallo was really good at was striking out with runners on, then hitting a homerun with nobody on.
For me the problem isn't TTO baseball itself but that EVERYONE does it (although not to the extreme that Gallo does). I want baseball to support both the Gallos and the Madrigals and everyone in between. If someone finds out that TTO baseball isn't as efficient or the game changes in some significant way (i.e. bringing the fences back) it will come back, but I dont think that's what is really needed. Oh, and casual fans dont give a shit about this kind of stuff, the real problem is the marketing NOT the game.
How about redesigning the ball to be more dead and harder for the pitcher to spin? The result will be returning to a better balance between pitchers and hitters and producing more balls in play. I think that under those conditions the shift will become less prevalent and there will be more balls in play.
I'd rather watch a guy hit 30 home runs and 30 doubles that the guy that hits 40 and strikes out. Get on base, let the guy behind you do his job. Keep the line moving. If a modern team hit for average, I think they'd be unstoppable. 8 guys constantly getting on base, moving the line, scoring the guy in front of them versus a team where maybe 1 or 2 guys hit home runs? I'd take small ball any day.
Exactly. Id take .280 with 15 homers vs .230 with 35 homers ANY day of the week. Id rather have a team of Joe Mauer, Tony Gwynn, Ichiro, Rod Carew vs a team of Adam Dunn, Ryan Howard, Reggie Jackson and Joey Gallo
If Gallo learned to hit to the opposite field he'd be far more valuable as he'd be on base far more allowing his team more chances to drive in more runs instead of pulling the ball into the shift. He's definitely got the strength to hit it out to left. You can't deny his glove and arm in the outfield. It's a shame he's on the Yankees though...
3 true outcome players only work with a supporting cast of high average hitters, when more players start hitting home runs over 2 singles your going to see players with 40 home runs and 40 RBIs with a better supporting cast you are going to score way more.
Other than the last inning of the last World Series I have not watched a game in 2 years. The only reason I even watched that was because my roommate was a Dodger far. I just found out the Cubs got rid of Rizzo and Bryant and Sherzer (however you spell it) left DC. I love baseball but have lost all interest in Major League Baseball.
Last time Kansas City won the World Series they did it by winning one base at a time. That was exciting baseball, unfortunately those days are gone. It’s boring watching huge men swing for the fences
That’s just not true. A majority of the players leading those statistics are some of the best players in the league. If a stat was “made up” to make a player look good that actually isn’t, then the other players leading that stat list wouldn’t be impressive, thus making the stat irrelevant.
@@benballier9580 well this goes to show that you can't use stats for everything. gallo did not pass the eye test at all as a ranger. striking out with runners on CONSTANTLY, and the a majority of his homeruns were solo shots. the rangers would have been better off with an average hitter and that is no joke.
i rly find modern baseball more boring then baseball 10 years ago, I'm not even that old I still like going back and watching old games because they're more entertaining
Im an yankees fan and I appreciate gallos glove.I also appreciate advanced stats but when he comes to bat with RISP his subpar batting avg. is glaring. U expect his to strike out trying to it a homer as opposed to being able to even get a productive out.
The problem is the casual fans. Casual fans want a 1 hour baseball game. Bro its ENTERTAINMENT. How could anyone sit there and say you want your ENTERTAINMENT over in 1 hour?? That goes against everything that is entertaining. Baseball isnt for casual fans. It never has been, never will be. Casual fans RUIN sports because you make all these demands while being in ZERO place to make any demands. Baseball will be America's pastime forever. Americas game is football, but America's identity is BASEBALL. Has been since 1867. Anyways, 40 home runs is great, but its meaningless when you're a .200 hitter. Imagine the ballplayer Gallo, Judge, Stanton, etc would be if they stopped swinging for the fences every single at bat and dropped the strikeouts from 200 to 100 and translated those lost 100 Ks to base hits. Imagine how great Gallo would be as a .300 hitter. Hed easily challenge Roger Maris' home run record. Hed easily hit 60 home runs, 40 2Bs, and would be a no doubt HoFer. Hence why Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame and TTO players will not be. Also, anyone who says Trout is the GOAT, you're out of your ever living mind. Hes great, but hes NOT Babe Ruth great. Not even in the same galaxy as the Bambino. No has been, no one is, and no one ever will be.
Let’s be honest: the desire for complete hitters by teams is less valuable than slapping more than 50% of the season record for HRs. While it’s good for baseball in the now, overall, it’s a terrible idea. Baseball is the epitome of a team working together while simultaneously individuals can make or break how the team fares. Get rid of emphasizing individual magnitude and start emphasizing team dynamics.
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To me the problem is that the “middle ground” between TTO and Traditional baseball is the absolute best players in the sport Soto, Trout, Tatis, Acuna etc. They are outliers and require immense talent.
I think the most in-between guy right now is ohtani. His average isn't great but he tries to unload everytime, but still can place a ball. To me Trout, Tatis, and VladJR are just too complete to be compared.
That’s not a middle ground...it’s a fusion of the best of all worlds. A middle ground would be Gallo adjusting his approach to trade some walks/HR’s for singles/doubles.
@@33moneyball .....thats what ohtani does he's just been better at hitting HRs this year than Gallo. I think Ohtani would have more HR than he has if he had an approach like Gallos, but he swings more than Gallo and he hits more line drives than Gallo. But I think that may just be the way I see it compared to you.
The true great ones are good in both traditional stats and analytical stats
@@nononsense424 gallo just doesnt adjust tho
I’d rather see consistent guys get base hits rather than seeing Giancarlo Stanton strike out over half the time and yell at my tv
lmao as a yankee fan, seeing him swing over breaking balls in the dirt is very infuriating
I hate Stanton. Biggest bust in NYY history. He needs to be GONZO. Gallo, at least as a lefty, will have much greater success in Yankee Stadium, unless he cant handle NY like Clint Frazier, Randy Johnson, and so many others. Imagine tho how great the Yankees would be if Stanton, Judge, Gallo, etc would hit like a real baseball player and not just swinging for the fences every at bat and failing 80% of the time. So tired of screaming at my TV because Stanton and Judge suck at hitting. The Yankees need to rebuild around Gallo, Rizzo, Odor, and Greg Allen.
@@cptsparklfingerz9210 one of the dumbest things I've ever read
@@cptsparklfingerz9210 this aged like milk
@@blacksheepsoftball explain please.
I was worried this would be like an Italk hitpiece on Gallo, but you did good, I am in Texas and we loved him, he gets on base ALOT, he is a diamond fielder and hits HR. He is a steal for NYY and yesterday he hit 2 doubles and a HR, GO JOEY
I wouldn't call a career .335 OBP "A LOT" lmao. Lifetime .210 hitter. He's a horrid hitter.... absolute garbage hitter. I will say this though..... he's still pretty young and has the potential to improve. But if he insists on trying to hit 40+ HR every year, he's going to continue hitting below .250.
@@billyfraiser6298 meh I disagree. Just watch what he does in NY and time will tell
@@billyfraiser6298 He has a .379 OBP this year, .859 OPS. He has a career OPS+ of 116, which is well above average. Looking only at batting average and calling someone a garbage hitter shows a pretty bad and outdated understanding of baseball. Gallo is an objectively a good hitter.
@@billyfraiser6298 hey man, dont know if you've seen the date lately but its year 2021, maybe get outta that 1920's baseball mindset and youd see gallo is great lmao
@@billyfraiser6298 garbage hitter. lmao. he hits like every power hitter today. I don't necessarily agree with this but he's not alone by far. also a gem in the field. as a Yankee fan, he far outweighs luke Voight and Sanchez.
Once someone figures out how to win with contact hitting and stealing, the pendulum will swing back. The only winning team to do that recently was the Royals in 2014-15 and that was because of their absurd success in contcat hitting and a dominant pen.
With the "shift" contact swinging alone does not get it done
Imo
@@KingcoleIIV The solution to the shift is being able to hit the ball the other way with consistency. Some people assume that when people tell pull hitters to hit it the other way we don't want them to try to hit home runs. That's not it... we love seeing them hit home runs, or pulling the ball so hard that it gets through the infield, but they need to develop to mindsets- mashing and slapping. If there is no shift on, mash away. If there is a shift on take the free base. I mean, think of a Boggs or Gwynn or Suzuki... now imagine a team putting a hard shift on them... they would have batted .600. You just have to look at the defense. If they are shifting you, take the free single. If they aren't, hit like normal. As long as you show them you can beat the shift consistently they won't be able to put on an extreme shift.
Home run ball, I suspect the bigger answer is deadening the ball a bit. Right now virtually everyone is able to hit it out. Take some of the juice out of it or move the outfield walls back a bit and when it becomes harder to actually leave the yard you change the math on whether trying is good baseball.
They've talked about moving the mound back. I think it would make more sense to deaden the ball but at the same time lower the stitching so they break a little less... although I guess that doesn't solve the problem with guys throwing 100... maybe they need to lower the mound again.
@@nacoran okay but less homeruns = less interest and fans of the sport. I love watching 9 inning pitchers duel but most people are not like me and like offense. One of the reasons they banned sticky substances is that it was cutting down on offense across the league. If only contact hitting was happening then baseball would die
The Tigers are probably the closest team rn
@@nacoran also how about instead of making all these changes you are suggesting or people are suggesting, how about we leave it alone. Baseball is as popular as its been in a long time. I would rather let it naturally keep going. I know they may take the extra Runner in an extra-inning games and stuff like that minor things let's not screw it up
idk walking is pretty cool, something about holding back a swing if it's a few inches off the plate is impressive
It's really fun watching pitchers try to navigate a line-up with 4 HR Derby contestants. That pitch count can go up real quick
Walking fatigues the Pitcher and defense so much more too. Youre usually working at least 6 pitches with a walk.
gotta love mlb where you can bring up stats from 130 years ago
You said it! :)
You need to talk about how the market effects gameplay. If .330 average guys were getting paid, you’d see BA skyrocket, if K/9 weren’t the most important metric in getting paid max value, you’d see a lot less walks. It’s not advanced stats, it’s about trying to maximize how much money you can make.
As a rangers fan I'll always love Gallo. Hopefully he succeeds in new York :(
As an Astros fan I hoped he would succeed as a rangers but I hate the yanks and hope he fails until he moves
I hope him and odor succeed in New York. They both brought an energy to the team that will be missed.
@@epixgbr8030 yea because your mad that the yanks almost beat you without buzzers and trash cans
Take him back
@@epixgbr8030 you got your wish.
Homeruns are awesome but I love watching a team who can hit for contacts just smother a team with back to back hits.
Fans of teams who strike out a lot know they are way more fun to watch when they have those days where they're scoring a lot thanks to base hits and doubles and not just one home run after like 8 straight strikeouts with men on base, it's frustrating.
I love watching someone walk, pass the torch.
Bro facts me 2😅 but I’m a baseball nerd. Give me a 1-0 pitching duel and I’m hyped lol
The only one lol.
what about striking out with runners on, then hitting a solo dinger with no one on? he did both of these things plenty
I'm curious to see how Nick Madrigal will factor in here, as he is the opposite of Joey Gallo as a hitter in almost every way, and his career batting average is over .300 so far.
What is his ops? Walks? Does he hit into double plays? There are so many stats that tell a story of a ball player not just BA
@@KingcoleIIV OPS is only .735, mostly because he doesn't hit as many home runs, doesn't walk a ton, has speed
You are correct, there are more stats out there
@@KingcoleIIV if you're hitting over .300 he isn't hitting into two balls. there are more stats out there yes, but if you're hitting over .300 you're an elite contact hitter. If you're willing to take walks+home runs in lieu of strikeouts. I'll take the avg and babpip in lieu of less walks. Can't have it both ways.
@@harper-leightonscott4566 ummm hitting 300 does not mean your not hitting into 2balls. That is ridiculous.
@@harper-leightonscott4566 70% of the time you are still getting out and not hits so some will be 2 balls has nothing to do with the 300 number
He is the new Adam Dunn.
At least Gallo plays great defense and is actually pretty fast for his size
@@yankee2858 Yup. Dunn was a big ,burly lumberjacks who hit the ball about 5 miles.
With defense and speed
@@yankee2858 But Dunn hit for a higher average and got on base more than Gallo is doing in his career so far.
@@billyfraiser6298 but unlike Dunn, Gallo is a valuable fielder.
Having only 1 single sac fly is just nuts
Pat McAfee Show and SportStorm in one video... my worlds are colliding lmaoo
Gump from the Mcafee show!
Haha, Love that guy.
Try check a bit about Asian Baseball, in special Japanese Baseball, they master the ground play/small ball arts and just got the Olympic Gold just just doing it
They were playing against a bunch of minor leaguers on Team USA...
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle Dude they were also without their best players, no Ohtani, no Kikuchi, No Yu Darvish, but still they had won
Also many people consider Japan as AAAA, almost MLB level, not mentioning Japanese teams had played competitive level with MLB many times on recent past, including winning 5 times over a MLB team with Acuña and Soto on it
@@superninja252 There's a reason there aren't more Japanese players in MLB, and there's a reason that most of them aren't particularly remarkable. The NPB being AAAA is also pretty ficticious, it's probably closer to AA. The Japanese team was missing a few of their best players, Team USA was missing literally all of their best players. And just about any professional team can win one baseball game, there's a reason why they play 162 games in the regular season and have playoff series, rather than single elimination games, baseball is a fairly high variance sport with a considerable luck/randomness factor.
@@FuckRUclipsAndGoogle AA? YOU KIDDING ME? Dude, isn't me saying it, actual MLB analysts refer NPB as AAAA, they mostly say the Japanese league has technically better performance than all american minor leagues, not mentioning the various minor league systems in Japan
Also you know that NPB has 160 games + playoffs as well RIGHT?
As a Joey Gallo fan, I loved this video!
I did a data science project this semester on increasing TTO rates and decreasing fan attendance (before COVID). I didn't find a mathematical correlation, but it is still interesting to see these trends are existing together.
Interesting, you have any links or is it private research? Also is there any on demographics about that or none?
If you get on base 37% of the time and hit for extra bases and home runs at this rate you have the same value as someone that hits .320 but doesnt hit for extra bases
Because of how effective pitchers are there is no real point in going for base hits, chances are you are getting left on unless somebody gets a homer. Thats why Gallo is important, he might not get many hits, but when he does it actually matters(scores runs)
Exactly. I was saying I wasn't worried about his strike outs because he would win some games for us...and then he hit that HR a couple hours later.
Pitchers aren't that effective. Look at the stats from the 80s and 90s...pitchers were way more efficient. They also pitched far more innings than they do today.
@@aaronsanborn4291exactly. It’s not that the pitchers are more effective lol. It’s that today’s batters basically close their eyes, pray and swing out of their shoes. Maybe not in that exact order 😂. Garbage game this has become. No more stolen bases, no more double and triples, no more anything fun and exciting at all. Just striking out and hitting bombs. Insanely boring especially for people who came up watching the sport prior to this crappy era.
To quote the greatest hitter to ever play the game.
"The so called dead ball Era. The ball wasn't dead, the hitters were. From the neck up"
Hitters found out the real money was in long hits and home runs. It stopped becoming a thinking game at the plate and guy just swung for the fence every hit.
That has carried all the way until the recent years where hitters are tanking thier averages trying to hit home runs.
Utility short stops, first base rotators, back up catchers, etc. All trying to hit 30 home runs a year instead of hitting for average. People can say what they want about the game, but small ball and batters averaging .275+ will always be a better asset than your 1 guy hitting 30 home runs a year with 200+ strike outs.
Home runs don't make you a good hitter, getting to the ball 3/10 times does. It is literally the only stat that matters
I had to explain modern baseball to my 50 year old dad and I used Joey Gallo, Brandon Lowe, Jack Cust and Aaron Judge as examples of the modern hitter.
I forgot about jack cust for a while 😂 good times that comment made me nostalgic
Actually Aaron judge is the most dynamic out of the quad
aaron judge may strikeout but hes the least three true outcome of the three by alot.
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Hot Take incoming: Aaron Judge would bat over .300 if the pitchers weren’t using sticky stuff since the start of the season. Aaron Judges batting average is about .280 right now
I love all of your videos please keep making awesome content like this it's just so amazing
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Thank you!
If you look at the most recent champions (excluding 2020 because of the shortened season) since 2011 the team that won the World Series has ranked outside the top 6 for batting average in all of baseball twice being the 2016 Cubs (14th) and the 2014 Giants (10th) that’s why I believe batting average is what makes an offense successful in players like Gallo will put butts in the seats but when everything is on the line they do what they do best and that’s strikeout.
I despise watching TTO baseball, particularly with the current pace of play. It makes me sad to see the game become less and less engaging. I've gone from watching it on TV and going to games to now just watching highlights and looking at box scores.
You're stuck with that old ass mindset, work on that for sure
TTO is hurting the game for sure
@@devonfarrar6817 Don’t tell someone to “work on” their opinion about a game tf
People evolve so did the game evolved. Either move on or find something else to do. BTW if you have a busy career, who has the time to watch tons of games since the are longer than 10 - 15 years ago?? Only the Marlin Man.
@@0v3rgr0wn so you're telling me what to do with my opinions? Hmm
Imo there is room for every type of batter in my opinion, while it sucks that batting average is down, but as we have seen before baseball always evolves and changes we have seen that. To me if everyone were all the same Hitter it would be boring.
That’s pretty much what the league is heading towards. I’ve seen batters in the bottom of the 9th - with a runner on 3rd and less than two outs in a tie game - almost falling down swinging out of their shoes and striking out rather than just putting bat on ball and driving in the winning run.
The current MLB product of batters is disgustingly boring and unintelligent really. It’s so hard to watch.
Good balanced approach. You are absolutely right, efficiency can be boring. It's why no body who wants a fun car buys an Accord or Civic. Even though they demonstrably better cars and more efficient than an Alpha Romero. It's a tension. Because yes, people want to see their teams win. But if the games are all 5-3, with 15Ks on both sides, no steals and lots of walks, the fans follow you in the box score, not on teli or in person. But it's going to be hard to move efficiency towards entertainment.
What about limiting throw overs to 1st? Might get steals back. That's something. Limiting defender movement from play to play. That would get more hits back (yes, I hate the shift even though it's the right move). But launch angle and exit velocity won't be going away, not unless bats changes again or they squish the ball.
One of the reasons traditional fans hate 3 true is it makes it hard to compare across genetations on raw numbers. Nolan Ryan struck out over 5k, but most of those in an era where teams rarely kept a Dave Kingman type. Were he or Koulfax pitching today they'd be getting 300ks even in 220in and each have more no hitters. But fans have already had to accept this reality with wins, and with the .400 club due to rise of relievers. Difference was those changes didn't impact enjoyment of the game. This slogfest, is honestly just not that fun to watch anymore.
Everyone always thinks that these changes are going to accelerate as time goes on, but it's a search for efficiency, not necessarily TTOs. Eventually, the efficient balance will be struck, and the TTO rate will hang in equilibrium. I think around 40-45 percent, as hitting the ball into play will always have value for scrambling defenses and cleaning up base runners who get walked or take a more contact heavy approach at the plate.
I miss my big beautiful man. Though I hate the Yankees as an entity, I don't dislike any of their players and I hope Gallo finds success. Thanks for the video boyo.
Big beautiful man? Hmmm mm…….
Kinda think the same, (Regretful Cubs fan here_.) Although nobody cares since "It DOESNT MATTER!!"
Good stuff man. Its nice when people can see topics like this from both viewpoints. Not very common in society lol
Pitchers fear him but fear him too much. Also I'd love to know the correlation between TTO and the shift.
We’ll miss you in Arlington, Gallo :/
you might, i dont
The only thing Baseball needs to do is GET RID OF THE SHIFT....make it illegal for infielders go past 2nd base on either side and cant start on the Grass.......alot more hits would be singles getting more runners on base and more movement on the bases...
@GayJew the shift whenever Gallo bats is way too extreme. Obviously you should be able to shift a little bit but not as much as teams do against big power hitters.
I'd pay to see anyone hit a baseball, tbh. It's the hardest thing to do and I appreciate if it's a line drive or a tape measure shot. There's beauty in hitting, no matter the variation
Starling marte is the best pick up so far, hitting .371 with the A’s
Almost .500 now
Love the grumpy clip from the pat macafee show
"How about you stop sounding as a 60+ year old" (STFU) HAHAHHAA!!!
Gallo is also a 2 time gold glove winner. Top 3 dwar in 2020. He has value and can change any game with a swing or a throw
Gallo is bad for baseball, bad for trees, bad for your sanity, and for about 1001 other things
What about Miguel Sano? He’s basically Joey Gallo except he hasn’t unlocked his potential, and likely never will.
Gallo is the king of modern baseball. I love him
bros favorite hitter bats below 200💀😭
@@joshcabrera7212 batting average is a bad stat but I don't think gallo has been good this year
That’s not much of a compliment. Modern baseball is insanely boring. Imagine a sport where guys steal 100 plus bases, others hit 40 and 50 plus home runs, others hit .370, all while pitchers still rack up 300 plus strikeouts and sub 2.00 ERAs.
We had all that during the steroid era. For baseball to go from that level of excitement to this bore fest we have now… really hurts for the people who grew up watching the game in that era.
I know way too many former big baseball fans (myself included) who can’t even watch 3 innings of the current product. It’s terrible.
@@HT-sm9dm I like home runs, I enjoy a good at bat that draws a walk. Obviously strikeout aren’t fun when it’s your team but seeing a pitcher just mow down a lineup is entertaining
@@Ian00003 so you prefer a game that basically ONLY features the things you like such as walks, strikeouts and home runs over one that features all of those things plus way more exciting stuff on top of all that. You’re definitely a unicorn in that case.
Joey Gallo Is the first Major League all Star to have a career "TRUE" outcomes % of 55 or higher.
Joey Gallo has a True outcome percent of 58% for his career.
Nearly 6/10 plate appearances end in a K, BB, or HR.
The thing is it's not more efficient, because when all you need is one run to win the game and you have a runner on 2nd, it's a lot easier to move the runner over with sac outs or to send the ball to the outfield grass then to succeed in swinging for fences. This is also a situation that you will find yourself in more often than you'd think, there aren't even 10 combined runs scored in the average major league game. The reality is it's more efficient (or should I say more reliable) to try to knock runners in when they're in scoring position with small ball than with home runs. And even if you want to argue that swinging for the fences in a 162 game regular season is more effective (which I'd argue against, as I mentioned the majority of major league game are swayed in a big way with 1 run, and that's even early on in the game in low leverage situations) it also takes pressure off your team to have to hit bombs or be screwed) , come playoff time when it's a crapshoot and you can't guarantee you'll be hot, then you are screwed. So I have an argument for the regular season but in the playoffs it's just foolish to think 3 true outcome ball is more valuable or effective than small ball. I'll take 9 prime dj lemahieu's over 9 joey gallo's at the plate.
Also, what all the analytics nerds don't account for is that a computer can only generate answers through well articulated queries through human thought processes, which is again human reliant. Sometimes I feel like it's just about people wanting to be right than it is about the more effective way. ultimately analytics is only a tool to achieve the same goal you always had, and that's winning.
Sorry for the rant
He hit the nail on the head. The problem with three true outcomes baseball (beside the fact that the name itself implies something about balls in play which is patently untrue: that whether or not a ball put in play becomes a ground out or a double is a matter or pure chance. Anyone who has watched baseball for more than 5 minutes understands why that isn't true)is that it is boring to watch. This isn't quite so obvious when you are at home watching season 3 of Brooklyn Nine Nine on your TV with the game on your ipad, half paying attention until Paul Goldschmidt comes up. When you plunk down $45 or more for tickets, $20 to park, $25 for food and so on, there has to be more excitement in a 3 hour game than maybe 2 homeruns. When a man comes to the plate with runners on second and third with one out, the entire AB is excitement, not just the 4 seconds it takes a random swing to leave the yard. Threat to steal on first base creates instant excitement. Bunt situations, same. Unless rules limiting shifting are implemented, its hard to argue that the three true outcome approach isn't the smartest approach a hitter can take. Its just not all that interesting to watch. As long as trends hold, I wouldn't be surprised if you start to see attendance figures take a pretty big dip, even as TV ratings mostly hold.
Very informative video.
Sorry for honing in on the random bit but was that Randy Winn's dad?
I love seeing Gump from PMS. Made me do a double take
Great video but Rockies fans don't give a shit ab the padres and dodgers fighting over Scherzer lmfao
lol fair enough
@@SportStorm23 still the goat
A bubbagumpino clip??? Yeah this bud definitely getting my like
If a MLB team puts the ball in play, never whiffing or walking or going yard then it will average 3-3.5 runs per 27 outs used. The league average of RC/27 for HR and BB against 27 K’s is TWICE that.
Time alone will make believers of all.
He’s the perfect fit for New York rn gets on base hits homers plays great defense
you need a balance-power hitters and line drive-base hitters too...and some speed. The game is still the game.
Early gang! Love the videos brother
No matter how productive a TTO hitter is, they are definitely less entertaining and more frustrating to watch. Like for example yeah Stanton is statistically successful as a Yankee but sometimes it's almost like he would swing at a pitch at his head (oh wait, that did happen and he fell over doing it)
This is why we shouldn't base everything on advanced metrics. You use baseline metrics that we've always used (AVG, OBP, HR, and RBIs) along with advanced metrics (exit velo, batted balls, etc.) to really grasp a players true skill/potential. Because to me, Joey Gallo is seriously not a good hitter. Nothing he does at the plate impresses me at all. Hes a good fielder with a bat that can do some damage every half moon. But thats about it.
you are completely right, as a ranger he did not pass the eye test at all. the only thing gallo was really good at was striking out with runners on, then hitting a homerun with nobody on.
For me the problem isn't TTO baseball itself but that EVERYONE does it (although not to the extreme that Gallo does). I want baseball to support both the Gallos and the Madrigals and everyone in between. If someone finds out that TTO baseball isn't as efficient or the game changes in some significant way (i.e. bringing the fences back) it will come back, but I dont think that's what is really needed. Oh, and casual fans dont give a shit about this kind of stuff, the real problem is the marketing NOT the game.
How about redesigning the ball to be more dead and harder for the pitcher to spin? The result will be returning to a better balance between pitchers and hitters and producing more balls in play. I think that under those conditions the shift will become less prevalent and there will be more balls in play.
I'd rather watch a guy hit 30 home runs and 30 doubles that the guy that hits 40 and strikes out. Get on base, let the guy behind you do his job. Keep the line moving. If a modern team hit for average, I think they'd be unstoppable. 8 guys constantly getting on base, moving the line, scoring the guy in front of them versus a team where maybe 1 or 2 guys hit home runs? I'd take small ball any day.
I'd do the same
Exactly. Id take .280 with 15 homers vs .230 with 35 homers ANY day of the week. Id rather have a team of Joe Mauer, Tony Gwynn, Ichiro, Rod Carew vs a team of Adam Dunn, Ryan Howard, Reggie Jackson and Joey Gallo
That’s the thing, Joey Gallo gets on base a lot
@@zackaryhaselius2226 like, if ur going to hit for power at least find a way to not strikeout.
@@michaelperson4117 hed get on base more if he didnt strike out 35% if the time.
Another thing is that pitchers are more likely to try to strike out hitters than to get them to hit into weak grounders and outs.
Gotta sell those highlights. Who needs hitting strategy when it looks better hitting the ball to Manhattan?
Dick Simpson...... .207 BA with a .299 OBP....... he's Javier Baez. He'd be a starter in today's game.
If Gallo learned to hit to the opposite field he'd be far more valuable as he'd be on base far more allowing his team more chances to drive in more runs instead of pulling the ball into the shift. He's definitely got the strength to hit it out to left. You can't deny his glove and arm in the outfield. It's a shame he's on the Yankees though...
Damn you’re telling me my guy Joey was almost on my team damn
3 true outcome players only work with a supporting cast of high average hitters, when more players start hitting home runs over 2 singles your going to see players with 40 home runs and 40 RBIs with a better supporting cast you are going to score way more.
Could you do a video on the 40/40 guys, I haven’t seen anyone do one and I feel like Soriano was more or less forgotten
Other than the last inning of the last World Series I have not watched a game in 2 years. The only reason I even watched that was because my roommate was a Dodger far. I just found out the Cubs got rid of Rizzo and Bryant and Sherzer (however you spell it) left DC. I love baseball but have lost all interest in Major League Baseball.
2:00, wrong! Kittle hit 50 for the Trappers in 1982 and 40 in 1981.
They should move the fences back
Last time Kansas City won the World Series they did it by winning one base at a time. That was exciting baseball, unfortunately those days are gone. It’s boring watching huge men swing for the fences
Who would you rather have had in their prime, Gallo or Adam Dunn?
Yesterday the Yanks epitomized the problem. Bases loaded, no out...
No runs. No runners moved. Nada.
Later inning... two on, no out. Diddly squatshit.
No. He is actually the opposite of what we need in baseball. Less strikeouts, more doubles, less home runs
Because "it's what we got" doesn't seem like a reason to embrace anything.
I thought you were playing Bladee instrumentals for a second
So Andrew luck retired from the colts to play baseball for the Cardinals??? Wild
He does not do it in Texas anymore.
He is pretty outstanding defensively.
The "extremes of Modern Baseball" is the fact that someone will makeup a new statistic to make someone look as good or as bad as they want.
That’s just not true. A majority of the players leading those statistics are some of the best players in the league.
If a stat was “made up” to make a player look good that actually isn’t, then the other players leading that stat list wouldn’t be impressive, thus making the stat irrelevant.
@@benballier9580 well this goes to show that you can't use stats for everything. gallo did not pass the eye test at all as a ranger. striking out with runners on CONSTANTLY, and the a majority of his homeruns were solo shots. the rangers would have been better off with an average hitter and that is no joke.
I know very few National league fans that are clamoring for universal DH.... so I think they're kind of screwing up everywhere lol.
Gallo is a beast he is like Albert Belle in his prime but with a gold glove
You got the glove part right. Not even close with the bat
Albert Belle is like one of the top 10 most talented hitters of all time lol. Wtf??
11:45 Weff Wassan claiming lives
3 outcome players are boring
Gallo is by far not useless, but even guys like Tommy Herr and Juan Pierre were far more competent at the plate than he is.
Putting bubba Gump in a video best part
Contact hitting and home runs are not mutually exclusive. But as long as teams hand 9-figure contracts to HR or nothing hitters... Guess what?
you get the 2017-2019 rangers
Much more to baseball then hitting
Jesus loves u and thanks for the great content
Home runs are overrated, I love seeing triples being laced in the gaps and stolen bases.
I'm a young person but I'd much rather watch my team get a bunch of singles and doubles in a game than see them hit 2 homeruns and do nothing else.
i rly find modern baseball more boring then baseball 10 years ago, I'm not even that old I still like going back and watching old games because they're more entertaining
It took this dude 12:06 to say that Joey Gallo sucks
He is Jack Cust.
Really had to show that Jo Adell clip?
I’m hoping Gallo makes up for Stanton
Shout aht Bubba gumpino 1:35
Im an yankees fan and I appreciate gallos glove.I also appreciate advanced stats but when he comes to bat with RISP his subpar batting avg. is glaring. U expect his to strike out trying to it a homer as opposed to being able to even get a productive out.
YES THIS STAT MATTERS, he did the same shit as a ranger, contantly striking out with RISP. and most of his home runs were solo shots.
A big part of the problem is fans putting the blame on the hitters. Its not that easy to hit lol.
Maybe if it gets harder to hit balls far, players will stop trying to hit balls far.
The problem is the casual fans. Casual fans want a 1 hour baseball game. Bro its ENTERTAINMENT. How could anyone sit there and say you want your ENTERTAINMENT over in 1 hour?? That goes against everything that is entertaining. Baseball isnt for casual fans. It never has been, never will be. Casual fans RUIN sports because you make all these demands while being in ZERO place to make any demands. Baseball will be America's pastime forever. Americas game is football, but America's identity is BASEBALL. Has been since 1867. Anyways, 40 home runs is great, but its meaningless when you're a .200 hitter. Imagine the ballplayer Gallo, Judge, Stanton, etc would be if they stopped swinging for the fences every single at bat and dropped the strikeouts from 200 to 100 and translated those lost 100 Ks to base hits. Imagine how great Gallo would be as a .300 hitter. Hed easily challenge Roger Maris' home run record. Hed easily hit 60 home runs, 40 2Bs, and would be a no doubt HoFer. Hence why Mike Trout will be in the Hall of Fame and TTO players will not be. Also, anyone who says Trout is the GOAT, you're out of your ever living mind. Hes great, but hes NOT Babe Ruth great. Not even in the same galaxy as the Bambino. No has been, no one is, and no one ever will be.
im glad padres got frasier. hes always on base
Let’s be honest: the desire for complete hitters by teams is less valuable than slapping more than 50% of the season record for HRs. While it’s good for baseball in the now, overall, it’s a terrible idea. Baseball is the epitome of a team working together while simultaneously individuals can make or break how the team fares.
Get rid of emphasizing individual magnitude and start emphasizing team dynamics.
Gallo was the harbinger