Before you jump into the comments saying, ‘But they already updated the firmware,’ take a moment to think about how frustrating it was waiting for those updates in the first place. Yes, if the firmware improved things, that’s a bonus but let’s not forget that these issues shouldn’t have existed to begin with. It’s fair to hold Fujifilm accountable for addressing these problems more proactively. I’ve heard people say the new firmware has made the autofocus ‘good enough.’ But ask yourself: is ‘good enough’ really what we should expect from a company like Fujifilm? Or should we be holding them to a higher standard? Just some food for thought.
There are only few content creators or regular photographers who use their camera daily.. rest community are just hobbyist.... Who rarely use camera n know little about their camera but get influenced by those content creators n get frustrated by lack in their camera... Rather than hating camera, we all should be happy camera n click something..
Fuji just published a new firmware update for X-S20, X-T5 and a few other models that brings autofocus in line with X-H2s. I guess you tested the autofocus with old firmware. Can you try the autofocus with the latest firmware?
This was my dilemma a little over a month ago. Tried the XS20 and it felt like a toy camera. I felt bummed down about the dynamic range and the slow autofocus. The A6700 was breath of fresh air. Bought a little fan for it (just in case it overheated) but ive never needed it. At 4k 60 422 on the A6700 and that crazy autofocus, it had everything I needed for content creation ❤ my choice its the A6700 now part of my gear bag.
Great content man. I do miss my old XS10; I started off doing action photography and videography indoors for action photos first with it and I got some great photos with it. I haven’t touched my cameras in awhile but it’s good still see some of your work. Keep it up.
There are only few content creators or regular photographers who use their camera daily.. rest community are just hobbyist.... Who rarely use camera n know little about their camera but get influenced by those content creators n get frustrated by lack in their camera... Rather than hating camera, we all should be happy with whatever camera we have n click something..
when you do the filming focus test i am not bothered by the slower speed of the fuji , i am bothered by some sort of step-functioning it does ... other than that it's great ... both of them ... :)
Thank you for sharing your test data. Many only say "good" or "very good". I got the A6700 for sports because I was very frustrated by the A7iv so-called "very good " AF. Sold both to get a used A1. I'd describe the AF for my use nothing better than "good".
Solid video, right now i'm using a Sony ZVE10 for photography & video, Sony is a solid system if you don't mind spending time in Lightroom editing. I'm upgrading to the Fuji XS20 because those Fujifilm simulations, it looks like it would make photography fun, less time editing, more time creating.
This isn't set correctly. Don't blame you, I noticed Fuji changed some things (for the better, but didn't announce it), but the way you have it set in video on wide tracking, it will only face detect inside the box. If you watch closely, you'll see that every time your face passes in the box or center it's picked up immediately, once you're outside center frame it doesn't try. They changed wide tracking to do this, which is a good thing as it's something people have asked for, to control the area within which the camera will look for faces. I'm not at my camera at the moment, but I believe I'm using multi now and it's working incredibly well. This video doesn't represent the actual performance when set correctly. Try this again on multi. It was confusing at first, but ultimately it's something people asked for though, being able to restrict where face detect occurs, and I do think it's a good feature. They should have discussed this more though.
@@Iamtongue I love you, but if you bunked the test by not understanding the settings this time, that is on you, not on the camera, and you should consider taking this video down (until you can cut in a better test). People are going to spend a lot of money on your recommendations, and trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. Just saying.
I was same debate and had both, Than i was thinking to myself which camera is more fun to use ,thats when i decided for Fuji ,sony would overheat quick on me. Fuji with film simulation just makes ne want to take more pics and videos without thinking color grading
I have a X-S20 and I've been thinking about whether to switch over to the A6700 before I start investing heavily in lenses, this is a really helpful video
I'm moving the other direction. Yeah... Sony's autofocus is great. Blah blah. How do you feel about shooting video... cause that's the only place Sony is investing in APSC. You like the offset viewfinder? Do you like the way they feel in your hands? Yuck. Do you like having to buy big FF glass because Sony doesn't want to make nice APSC glass?
"....all I want is the perfect camera..." LOL! Question: How does the X-S10 fare against the X-S20? Does it have a less plasticy feel? For photography it should be no different since it has the same sensor. So, maybe I should look for a good used X-S10 when I want to get something new. The only big problem I see is that it's not WR. I hike with my camera all the time. Thanks for the comparison! Have a rockin' weekend!
You mentioned that the Fujifilm photos dont take as long to edit in a way that you love, especially compared to edit time on Sony photos. However, you have been shooting with Fuji for a long time? Does it take longer to edit the photos because you've grown to prefer the way Fujifilm photos look, so you try to emulate that with Sony? Or are the Sony files actually harder to edit? I've only ever editing Sony photos, so I'd love to know!
I went out with money in my wallet to buy a camera with the Sony 6400 on top of my shortlist, along with Canon and Olympus options and the Fujifilm X-S10 last. Observations at the camera shops I went included the Sony had a long wait time there (>3 months), the Olympus appeared expensive for the features, the canon had limited lens choices for the future. The Fujifilm was also unavailable at the first store I went to and at the second was RRP and the salesman would not budge. The same shop in another location had one on special with approx 25% off. So I bought. I've since upgraded to a X-S20. The AF shortfalls haven't bothered me yet, but maybe will later. Accurate colour of the Sony appeals to me because even though I enjoy the Fujifilm colour I have found that to reproduce reasonably accurately what my eye sees has been problematic. I think the menu system of the Fujifilm has a steep learning curve too but I am learning it in parallel to learning about digital photography in general. I prefer the shape and form factor of the Fujifilm X-20 over the 6700 in my brief use of the latter more recently,
Personal opinion, Fuji's "film-like" look has a lot to do with marketing. Film simulations is a fancy marketing name for photo filters, and names like Astia and Velvia have memorable names that play at nostalgia. There is no reason why Sony can't do it. They just seem to not want to. Sony has something similar, but with names like "Picture Profile 1" and "Picture Profile 2, 3, 4, 5" etc. who knows why people arent using them 🤷♂️. Give them nicer names, and make them easier to access (Sony's menu system is awful) and Sony wouldn't have such a poor reputation in this department.
Thanks for the video... I prefer the Fuji as it's for my own sanity; I don't know if I want to call myself a professional while handling the camera which sony kind of compels me to become. I hate the Menu system and the look out of the camera on Sony and you have to be a professional to edit the RAW pictures. I just want a fun camera for my creative needs, just want something that I can enjoy on rather than hating the process of editing and posting anything. But all in all I hope they fix the autofocus at least close to 80% of what Sony can do. I don't mind misfocusing some shots but I really hope Fuji to get their shit right. Can you let me know how the Fuji does to the latest firmware with the Sigma 18-50 2.8 lens on it. It would be great if you could give some tips for someone who's just starting out...
This may not be saying much, but Fuji's AF (At least the X-S10's...) is better than Pentax's... 😂 Fortunately I shoot macro and landscape so AF speed is less of an issue.
I know the AF is bad on Fuji, but I think you forgot to press the start tracking button. The rectangle should be green when the tracking is started. In this case it's grey and it doesn't even try looking for the subject
@@grzechumarley which one of us? 😂 Even if it's tracking, it's probably tracking only in that rectangle. I also have x-s20 and that's not how tracking AF behaves on it
Is this with the firmware update from yesterday? If not could you test the new hit rate? I already got the x-s20 so all I can do is look out for the updates. xD And I agree, Fuji has no excuse for this monumental eff up!
i prefer Fujifilm for me the lack of the joystick is terrible the Sony viewfinder is ridiculous. and then Fusi film on apsc with fantastic lenses you don't have to go to third parties it's a complete system while Sony seems like a blatantly castrated system to push you to buy the full frame that costs more
Sony does have some good third party Apsc lenses also. Sigma and tamron, and even the third party Chinese brands. They are slowly rollinng better Apsc native lenses. I believe Sonys got their own version of a 16-55mm f2.8
@Iamtongue one big void in x lenses is a a good 90 -135mm 3rd party lens.Viltrox has a great new lens but as usual it's only for Sony mount. Tamron has an outstanding 90mm macro, but again, it is not for Fuji. I really don't think there are any 3rd party lenses and it could be that Fuji want to protect the sales of the 90mm f2 lens which is ridiculously overpriced. 😮
You forgot the Canon R7. It's arguably better than either of these cameras. It has more resolution, better IBIS, much better AF system than the Fuji and arguably better than Sony, a real mechanical shutter, 1/8000s vs 1/4000s, faster continuous shooting, 2 card slots and weather sealing. Returned the a6700 for the R7. R7 is a pro grade camera, these two are enthusiast cameras. Nikon Z50 II is another camera that is better than these two in quite a few areas.
Bro, I sold of all my #Blurryfilm (#fujifilm) gear! I bought a brand new X-H2 in October 2023. The stupid Reala Ace firmware broke my AF-C in the spring. I’ve been using an R8 since with the the rf 35mm f1.4 and 70-200mm f4. In baseball terms, Fujfilm tech is t-ball and Canon, Sony, and Nikon are the majors. Even if Fujifilm were to address AF-C and other tech issues they have, I wouldn’t go back to their #Blurryfilm camera because they left me without a usable camera for 8+ months with the “premium” camera i purchased from them. Everyone can shut up about not knowing how to focus - please if they’re advertising AF-C it should work as advertised. This past year they proved to me that their Instax cameras are more reliable than their “high-end” $2000+tax cameras……………………….
They have a new firmware out you tried it with the old firmware. This is stupid. Why didn’t you not download the new firmware for this camera but that’s just like you do things backwards tried with the new firmware that just was put out the other day and the Fuji film definitely probably would even win or be right there with it, but I see you do not know that…😂 download the new firmware and do the test over again pretty sure he would not do that like a Sony fan boy…
@@robertbland5131 uhmm.. there are many tests from people all around the world proving this but ok. Keep making fun of people if that makes you feel better 🙏 Literally the only people that agree with you are paid RUclips channels. Companies do mess up from time to time and that's perfectly normal. Btw this channel has been promoting Fujifilm cameras for years. This guy is a legit Fuji shooter 😂 And everyone knows that Fuji has the worst AF in the business. So calling him stupid and a Sony fanboy is just.. well not that intelligent.
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Before you jump into the comments saying, ‘But they already updated the firmware,’ take a moment to think about how frustrating it was waiting for those updates in the first place. Yes, if the firmware improved things, that’s a bonus but let’s not forget that these issues shouldn’t have existed to begin with. It’s fair to hold Fujifilm accountable for addressing these problems more proactively.
I’ve heard people say the new firmware has made the autofocus ‘good enough.’ But ask yourself: is ‘good enough’ really what we should expect from a company like Fujifilm? Or should we be holding them to a higher standard? Just some food for thought.
@@garends225 that new FW don't matter. Sony still beats it like a stepchild 😂
There are only few content creators or regular photographers who use their camera daily.. rest community are just hobbyist.... Who rarely use camera n know little about their camera but get influenced by those content creators n get frustrated by lack in their camera... Rather than hating camera, we all should be happy camera n click something..
Sony if you hate culling. Fuji if you hate editing.
What hurts me when i check my fuji photos that there are few bangers in the roll which missed the focus by a decent but and i cant use that
@@cyano3d All cameras miss focus sometimes, and we all miss bangers, just keep going.
@@cyano3d I missed focus on my Sony as well
@@matt88169 hah well put
Fuji just published a new firmware update for X-S20, X-T5 and a few other models that brings autofocus in line with X-H2s. I guess you tested the autofocus with old firmware. Can you try the autofocus with the latest firmware?
That would be a good small video for just af comparison
This was my dilemma a little over a month ago. Tried the XS20 and it felt like a toy camera. I felt bummed down about the dynamic range and the slow autofocus. The A6700 was breath of fresh air. Bought a little fan for it (just in case it overheated) but ive never needed it. At 4k 60 422 on the A6700 and that crazy autofocus, it had everything I needed for content creation ❤ my choice its the A6700 now part of my gear bag.
Yesterday ( 19 december ) there was a Fuji autofocus update...i think it's now much better!
Great content man. I do miss my old XS10; I started off doing action photography and videography indoors for action photos first with it and I got some great photos with it. I haven’t touched my cameras in awhile but it’s good still see some of your work. Keep it up.
There are only few content creators or regular photographers who use their camera daily.. rest community are just hobbyist.... Who rarely use camera n know little about their camera but get influenced by those content creators n get frustrated by lack in their camera... Rather than hating camera, we all should be happy with whatever camera we have n click something..
when you do the filming focus test i am not bothered by the slower speed of the fuji , i am bothered by some sort of step-functioning it does ... other than that it's great ... both of them ... :)
Thank you for sharing your test data. Many only say "good" or "very good".
I got the A6700 for sports because I was very frustrated by the A7iv so-called "very good " AF. Sold both to get a used A1. I'd describe the AF for my use nothing better than "good".
fuji colour + Sony tracking = perfect
What are those strap attachments from the thumbnail pic?
PGY tech! It’s pretty cool, they’re called the “air” strap or whatever.
The autofocus vine booms made me chuckle
Solid video, right now i'm using a Sony ZVE10 for photography & video, Sony is a solid system if you don't mind spending time in Lightroom editing. I'm upgrading to the Fuji XS20 because those Fujifilm simulations, it looks like it would make photography fun, less time editing, more time creating.
I absolutely LOVE my little X-S20!👊🏼
20 minutes to edit one photo? That's crazy. 5 minutes is probably too much if we are talking average time.
I’m really tempted to sell me x100vi and get an xs20, looks a great little camera
This isn't set correctly. Don't blame you, I noticed Fuji changed some things (for the better, but didn't announce it), but the way you have it set in video on wide tracking, it will only face detect inside the box. If you watch closely, you'll see that every time your face passes in the box or center it's picked up immediately, once you're outside center frame it doesn't try.
They changed wide tracking to do this, which is a good thing as it's something people have asked for, to control the area within which the camera will look for faces. I'm not at my camera at the moment, but I believe I'm using multi now and it's working incredibly well. This video doesn't represent the actual performance when set correctly. Try this again on multi.
It was confusing at first, but ultimately it's something people asked for though, being able to restrict where face detect occurs, and I do think it's a good feature. They should have discussed this more though.
@@ANTHONYFERNANDO okay I will try again thanks for letting me know.
@ no worries man! Took me a bit to realize what happened, but it’s been pretty solid since.
@@Iamtongue I love you, but if you bunked the test by not understanding the settings this time, that is on you, not on the camera, and you should consider taking this video down (until you can cut in a better test). People are going to spend a lot of money on your recommendations, and trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. Just saying.
I was same debate and had both,
Than i was thinking to myself which camera is more fun to use ,thats when i decided for Fuji ,sony would overheat quick on me. Fuji with film simulation just makes ne want to take more pics and videos without thinking color grading
Love it! I do love the 6700 but have tried the xs20. Have you noticed any better autofocus with the new firmware on the xs20?
I have a X-S20 and I've been thinking about whether to switch over to the A6700 before I start investing heavily in lenses, this is a really helpful video
I’m glad it was helpful! Thanks
I would switch now. I did the exact same thing. As soon as my Fuji started missing focus I sold it. The a6700 hasn't missed 1 shot.
Get Sony
Switch now before all your videos and pics turn out blurry with #BlurryFilm cameras lol
I'm moving the other direction. Yeah... Sony's autofocus is great. Blah blah. How do you feel about shooting video... cause that's the only place Sony is investing in APSC. You like the offset viewfinder? Do you like the way they feel in your hands? Yuck. Do you like having to buy big FF glass because Sony doesn't want to make nice APSC glass?
"....all I want is the perfect camera..." LOL! Question: How does the X-S10 fare against the X-S20? Does it have a less plasticy feel? For photography it should be no different since it has the same sensor. So, maybe I should look for a good used X-S10 when I want to get something new. The only big problem I see is that it's not WR. I hike with my camera all the time. Thanks for the comparison! Have a rockin' weekend!
Can you like do Sony A6700 v. XT5, AF and all
You mentioned that the Fujifilm photos dont take as long to edit in a way that you love, especially compared to edit time on Sony photos. However, you have been shooting with Fuji for a long time? Does it take longer to edit the photos because you've grown to prefer the way Fujifilm photos look, so you try to emulate that with Sony? Or are the Sony files actually harder to edit? I've only ever editing Sony photos, so I'd love to know!
I went out with money in my wallet to buy a camera with the Sony 6400 on top of my shortlist, along with Canon and Olympus options and the Fujifilm X-S10 last. Observations at the camera shops I went included the Sony had a long wait time there (>3 months), the Olympus appeared expensive for the features, the canon had limited lens choices for the future. The Fujifilm was also unavailable at the first store I went to and at the second was RRP and the salesman would not budge. The same shop in another location had one on special with approx 25% off. So I bought. I've since upgraded to a X-S20. The AF shortfalls haven't bothered me yet, but maybe will later. Accurate colour of the Sony appeals to me because even though I enjoy the Fujifilm colour I have found that to reproduce reasonably accurately what my eye sees has been problematic. I think the menu system of the Fujifilm has a steep learning curve too but I am learning it in parallel to learning about digital photography in general. I prefer the shape and form factor of the Fujifilm X-20 over the 6700 in my brief use of the latter more recently,
That X-S20 feels great in the hand with the half leather case
Sony is better 100% but I'm more comfortable using the Fuji's UI.
Personal opinion, Fuji's "film-like" look has a lot to do with marketing. Film simulations is a fancy marketing name for photo filters, and names like Astia and Velvia have memorable names that play at nostalgia. There is no reason why Sony can't do it. They just seem to not want to. Sony has something similar, but with names like "Picture Profile 1" and "Picture Profile 2, 3, 4, 5" etc. who knows why people arent using them 🤷♂️. Give them nicer names, and make them easier to access (Sony's menu system is awful) and Sony wouldn't have such a poor reputation in this department.
Thanks for the video... I prefer the Fuji as it's for my own sanity; I don't know if I want to call myself a professional while handling the camera which sony kind of compels me to become. I hate the Menu system and the look out of the camera on Sony and you have to be a professional to edit the RAW pictures. I just want a fun camera for my creative needs, just want something that I can enjoy on rather than hating the process of editing and posting anything.
But all in all I hope they fix the autofocus at least close to 80% of what Sony can do. I don't mind misfocusing some shots but I really hope Fuji to get their shit right.
Can you let me know how the Fuji does to the latest firmware with the Sigma 18-50 2.8 lens on it.
It would be great if you could give some tips for someone who's just starting out...
The fuji does have a crop in 4k60
This may not be saying much, but Fuji's AF (At least the X-S10's...) is better than Pentax's... 😂 Fortunately I shoot macro and landscape so AF speed is less of an issue.
I’d prefer the Nikon Z50 II above both
I know the AF is bad on Fuji, but I think you forgot to press the start tracking button. The rectangle should be green when the tracking is started. In this case it's grey and it doesn't even try looking for the subject
It’s tracking
@@Iamtongue @dimezis the guy is right
@@grzechumarley which one of us? 😂
Even if it's tracking, it's probably tracking only in that rectangle. I also have x-s20 and that's not how tracking AF behaves on it
@@Dimezis you are right, need to activate the gray box to green
Is this with the firmware update from yesterday? If not could you test the new hit rate?
I already got the x-s20 so all I can do is look out for the updates. xD
And I agree, Fuji has no excuse for this monumental eff up!
Nope, I did it on the one before. I will probably do one once I hear more people talking about it. I still am weary of updating..
@@Iamtongue the update definitely helps,
My dream gear would be a Sony Fuji collaboration. They both Japanese, why not work together on a camera with Fuji color and Sony technology.
That would be great
They do collaborate in some ways, like Fuji uses Sony sensors.
Interesting that the fuji evf is better. Same resolution and lower magnification than the sony
Fuji for jpg and Sony for editing and AF. Or GAS and get both lol
@@oregonduc i use, Raw in fujifilm. 👌💖💘
@ I do too but I also dual wield Sony and Fuji. I like to torture myself lol
i prefer Fujifilm for me the lack of the joystick is terrible the Sony viewfinder is ridiculous.
and then Fusi film on apsc with fantastic lenses you don't have to go to third parties it's a complete system while Sony seems like a blatantly castrated system to push you to buy the full frame that costs more
Sony does have some good third party Apsc lenses also. Sigma and tamron, and even the third party Chinese brands. They are slowly rollinng better Apsc native lenses. I believe Sonys got their own version of a 16-55mm f2.8
@Iamtongue one big void in x lenses is a a good 90 -135mm 3rd party lens.Viltrox has a great new lens but as usual it's only for Sony mount. Tamron has an outstanding 90mm macro, but again, it is not for Fuji. I really don't think there are any 3rd party lenses and it could be that Fuji want to protect the sales of the 90mm f2 lens which is ridiculously overpriced.
😮
So, we're just gonna ignore the Canon R7?
You forgot the Canon R7. It's arguably better than either of these cameras. It has more resolution, better IBIS, much better AF system than the Fuji and arguably better than Sony, a real mechanical shutter, 1/8000s vs 1/4000s, faster continuous shooting, 2 card slots and weather sealing. Returned the a6700 for the R7. R7 is a pro grade camera, these two are enthusiast cameras. Nikon Z50 II is another camera that is better than these two in quite a few areas.
Bro, I sold of all my #Blurryfilm (#fujifilm) gear! I bought a brand new X-H2 in October 2023. The stupid Reala Ace firmware broke my AF-C in the spring. I’ve been using an R8 since with the the rf 35mm f1.4 and 70-200mm f4. In baseball terms, Fujfilm tech is t-ball and Canon, Sony, and Nikon are the majors.
Even if Fujifilm were to address AF-C and other tech issues they have, I wouldn’t go back to their #Blurryfilm camera because they left me without a usable camera for 8+ months with the “premium” camera i purchased from them.
Everyone can shut up about not knowing how to focus - please if they’re advertising AF-C it should work as advertised. This past year they proved to me that their Instax cameras are more reliable than their “high-end” $2000+tax cameras……………………….
Your Video: 08:41
They have a new firmware out you tried it with the old firmware. This is stupid. Why didn’t you not download the new firmware for this camera but that’s just like you do things backwards tried with the new firmware that just was put out the other day and the Fuji film definitely probably would even win or be right there with it, but I see you do not know that…😂 download the new firmware and do the test over again pretty sure he would not do that like a Sony fan boy…
It's because the newer firmware updates are worse for AF. Many Fuji shooters test all the firmware updates and the older ones are better
@ that is incorrect the new firmware do works and it works very well. Maybe you don’t know that because you’re still stuck in the past….!!! 😂😂
@@robertbland5131 uhmm.. there are many tests from people all around the world proving this but ok. Keep making fun of people if that makes you feel better 🙏
Literally the only people that agree with you are paid RUclips channels. Companies do mess up from time to time and that's perfectly normal.
Btw this channel has been promoting Fujifilm cameras for years. This guy is a legit Fuji shooter 😂
And everyone knows that Fuji has the worst AF in the business.
So calling him stupid and a Sony fanboy is just.. well not that intelligent.