Enduro confessions from a Rekluse auto clutch user︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2021
- www.crosstrainingenduro.com tractionerag.com Is anything more divisive in the dirt riding community than the Rekluse auto clutch? Possibly the two stroke v four stroke, but it's up there! Dallas Shannon from Traction explains why he uses a Rekluse auto clutch and isn't afraid to say so. My opinion? Well... when the guys saw a Rekluse EXP auto clutch was fitted to the Beta RR250 for my Canadian trip, they asked good or bad? Years ago I did have a Rekluse fitted to a Yamaha WR450F then a Husaberg FE570. What didn't I like? Whenever I tried to balance at a standstill, or very slow pace, the Rekluse auto clutch is snatchy and throws the bike off balance, even if you slip the manual clutch to try and compensate. The cheese grater sound it makes isn't very pleasant either. There is always the old problem of stopping on a steep hill and the bike starts rolling backwards. However, if you don't have the time or inclination to develop your clutch technique, then sure a Rekluse will help you a lot in harder terrain. There are plenty of rave reviews about the Rekluse EXP auto clutch, and I feel these are well deserved. However, if you focus on experienced riders with good clutch skills you will see them feel increasingly ambivalent about the perceived advantages of an autoclutch. On low speed descents, the engine braking disappears at low revs so you need to keep blipping the throttle to re-engage the Rekluse. And you can't just stall the engine to help lock up the rear wheel for nasty descents. My huge issue was trying to jump larger logs with the Rekluse EXP auto clutch. Clutch control is very important for techniques like the double blip and zap, and I gave up trying to use the clutch at all. I could probably learn how to adapt the Rekluse settings to get good manual control back, but it was a headache with this loaner bike. Also the stiffer clutch springs needed for the Rekluse made manual clutch control very hard work, and my fingers were killing me at the end of each day. I fitted a Midwest clutch lever which helped a lot, but those heavy clutch springs are hard work for manual clutch control. Pros and cons for adventure riding? Both bikes so ran high gearing, then found the Rekluse helped to make the bikes manageable for dirt riding too. The Rekluse EXP auto clutch would automatically slip the clutch in tight terrain, despite the high gearing... perfect. However, a bit over two years ago we started this cross training - applying trials techniques to dirt riding - and I knew I had to ditch the Rekluse and start learning how to use a clutch properly. So here are some impressions on suddenly using a Rekluse again. So pros and cons of the Rekluse auto clutch - good or bad for dirt riders and for the tighter technical terrain I like? If you seriously want to develop your riding skills, I think it would be better to skip the Rekluse and learn how to use a clutch. It's taken two years of hard work, but I rarely stall my bike now, and enjoy being able to modulate the clutch just how I want it, not in some preset fashion. I still have a long way to go, but I enjoy the challenge.
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A mate said that adding a Rekluse was a significant weight saving on his bike. We couldn't work out why but then found that he keeps his wallet in his tank bag.
Classic! 🤣👏😂😉
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Legend!
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Overheating come from running the engine without airflow over the radiator.. so the recluse probably helped you keep moving, instead of getting for 10 minutes revving stationary
I know the guy that helped engineer the Rekluse clutch. The shop where the first parts for the first Rekluse were made is just down the street from me. The guy that made the idea work is an absolute genius. He showed me geared and threaded designs that would make you head spin. I was his IT guy.
I ride. I don't have a Rekluse and have no desire for one. But the device itself is an engineering marvel. The world advanced because of it's creation.
What does it do? Genuinely interested. Can I please get a quick rundown?
@@cowboyanimal6700 basically it's an automatic clutch that engages/disengages at certain rpm but still let's you use the clutch lever as far as I know. So it pretty much eliminates stalling, takes strain off your left hand and that way makes navigating rough and slow terrain a good bit easier. Especially if you have a unsuited bike for your terrain like the one in the video.
I have looked at the Rekluse for a little while now.
For me, with a physical condition that is making dirt riding difficult, i think it could be a winner.
But bottom line.....if a farkle keeps a bloke riding and enjoying his favourite passtime, then I'm all for it
@@Crashpotato125 Aaah okay, that makes sense. Thanks m8.
@@cowboyanimal6700 its a tad more than automatically slips the clutch as the OP said, although he isn't wrong either.. it is more accurate to say that it always perfectly slips the clutch exactly how much you expect it should without you ever needing to think about it. It truly is an engineering marvel. I loved mine for both motocross AND woods riding
As long as you're riding, who cares. Is about being out there, and if a special clutch or an anodised fuel cap helps with that, great☺️
Unleash the secret power of the anodised gas cap! 😁
@@crosstrainingenduro and Stickers
I love my Rekluse! Allows me to do things I wouldn't be able to otherwise. I'm 35 and started riding Aug 2020, I'm never going to be a pro and I just want to go have fun with my gang and the Rekluse does that for me.
As Dallas (the narrator) would say, it's about having fun, not marginal improvements in lap times.
Yes sir, that's what it's all about!
I'm on your team!
Can I get an amen, brothers and sisters?
@@crosstrainingenduro amen!
I wish Recluse offered a senior discount. That's my only complaint.
At that price it would help, David 😂
I have 10 screws and two plates in my left wrist after shattering it in my hand gaurd after clocking a tree. It took one year of recovery and I’m back on the bike appreciating every moment Im able to ride and it’s all because a rekluse reduces some of the clutching I need to do.
Great to hear you are back on the bike, Jesse! There might be some other useful tips in this video. It's about arm pump but could still be relevant. ruclips.net/video/uA9RKod5Ltc/видео.html
@@crosstrainingenduro on a side issue, have you ever discussed the pros and cons of bark busters/hand guards?
@@aussierick3103
Pros: they protecc
Cons: you have to install them
Haven't done a specific vid but somewhere we discussed whether they are likely to break your wrists when going over the bars. Not sure if it's an urban myth or not.
@@crosstrainingenduro I've legitimately gone "over the bars" in three crashes. All had Barkbusters brand (before I learned about the bar clamp mounted types) and never injured my self due to the handguards. The ground, however...
Have had a Rekluse on my CR250 for years and absolutely love it. It really shines in gnarly uphills, lets you just worry about throttle control and picking your lines. 6 hours into an enduro, sometimes you are just struggling to hold onto the bike through some obstacles, and not having to worry about stalling it is an amazing thing.
Rekluse clutch is the best thing I’ve ever had on a bike. Love it
I've test rode bikes with them, and after several years finally have one in my '15 yz450f. I absolutely love having one, even took it to the track for a practice and was noticeably faster through the corners. Only taken it on one short woods ride to feel it out at first, but quickly noticed how much nicer it was. It's not cheating as some say, it's having the best tools for the task at hand.
There are quite a few comments here about how an auto clutch made a big motocross four stroke so much easier to ride in the woods.
I can't wait, it'll be getting some woods in this week/weekend. It does make it easier for me to practice different techniques for riding/obstacles too.
If it upsets and annoys other people to the point the need to give you s#!t - that in itself is a good reason to buy one.
Hear hear! And so often these keyboard warriors often aren't very good riders themselves (and have automatic transmissions in their cars). 😂
I liked the conversation with Megs that you had about these types of things but I feel like a lot of these mods that people call crutches and don’t like because they “get in the way of skill”, people aren’t accounting for physical difficulties some people have. Personally I find I need steg pegz because of a back injury. You need a rekluse. I don’t think anyone who needs a little help to be just ABLE to ride should ever be ridiculed for it.
Can't agree with you more! When you get those loud opinionated Rekluse critics online you often see a guy chime in with something like 'I have severe arthritis and I'd have to stop riding if I wasn't allowed to use a Rekluse'. It tends to shut them up... sometimes. It is funny how the loudest critics usually have never tried a Rekluse. It's also interesting that the most experienced riders often aren't critical because they usually realise that anything that makes your riding more enjoyable can't be a bad thing. The most vocal critics tend to be opinionated guys who have grasped just enough skills to think they can criticise others... but haven't got good enough to pick up some humility and wisdom too.
On my two 2-stroke's KDX, KTM. I don't use an auto clutch. They are made for what I ride Woods Etc. On my 2013 RMZ 250 which was a race/ track bike that I converted to a Woods bike, I use the recluse Auto clutch. I took something that's meant for one world and put it into another. The recluse Auto clutch just put it on and even playing field.
@@crosstrainingenduro a study in human nature me thinks.
Indeed.
Actually I’ve had back surgery and use both the Steg’s & Rekluse with a left hand brake. I would like to thank both companies for there efforts.
I bought a used 08 KTM 505xcf and it came with a Rekluse. I never used one before and didnt know what to expect. Hands down best dirt bod mod I've ever used! Makes me almost unstoppable on hills and rock gardens. Could care less what others think ;) It's amplified how much I enjoy riding.....along with e-start. I've renamed the bike the Tank TM.
I'm 53 years old. I started riding dirt bikes four seasons ago. I started on a kdx200 and then I was at a dealership 2 years ago and seen a 2013 RMZ 250 it was a race bike 5 gears (only 17 hours on it) and I thought I was going to use it for the Woods. Well I figured out quick that I was kick-starting that bike more than I was riding it. I did a little research and found out about the rekluse auto clutch, it's been on the bike for about a little over a year and I love the thing. I hardly ever stall the bike now. I also changed the Spring/shock for my weight, put all the proper guards on and messed with the suspension for what I ride which is basically a lot of woods, enduro, lots of Rocky terrain up and down. It's a totally different bike now. It's heavier than my two strokes but it's a great bike.
Kick starting gets old very fast, Mike. 😂 The auto clutch would be worth it's weight gold in that case.
ONLY PUSSIES USE A REKLUSE? Read this comment from The Way Of MGTOW: "I use one, I have to...... September 23 2004 around 3pm I got my arm blown off. Well as close as makes no difference. What was left of my forearm and hand were hanging by meat and sinew. ... until folks know I have a disability I hear ALL KINDS of dumb shit and insults, because I use a recluse. DONT judge people by the equipment they decide to use!! Some people may not have a choice. And IF you’re going to get upset with the equipment someone else decided to use...... Don’t run your mouth. You never know when you're going to be standing next to someone that’s willing and eager to rearrange your mouth..."
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Before anyone gets up in arms about our preview pic, it is simply alluding to the fact that some riders see using a Rekluse as a non-serious or even effeminate approach to riding - something you will see we disagree with if you actually watch the vid.
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What else? The narrator, Dallas, has no connection with Rekluse. Neither do I. I actually ditched my Rekluse nine years ago, here is why. ruclips.net/video/5u2ep2H-iZo/видео.html
You accent has changed. Remarkable ;-)
Sounds like I missed all the fun! : (
Fuq sensitive people! Don’t change what you’re doing!
You did miss all the fun, it abusing excessively tall Canadians who use Rekluse auto clutches 😂
@@crosstrainingenduro That dude looked like me on my Daughters Kawi KX 65! Big man, if the Rekluse solved the problem then Party on!
I have a rekluse on every 4 stroke I own. I ride enduro and hard enduro. Its stronger than stock and lasts longer. I still use the clutch lever for blips and clutch ups, traction and all the things you should clutch for. But when i make a mistake or a simple tip over i don't kill it. I can stop and let go with my left hand and scratch my face, adjust goggles or whatever and not have to hunt for neutral. Its just nice. most riders wouldn't even know it was there
I bought a Wr426 that was equipped with one back in 2011 and still have it. I like it a lot for the tight woods as you state in the video. On less extreme trails I feel like I have more control with a convention clutch, but in the really challenging stuff I'm glad to have it.
Love getting backstories like this! Great to hear more about your riding experiences. And, it sure helps me in my understanding riding in general and with my consideration of getting a RC for my Beta 500RRS. Cheers and Thank you!!
RC... is that a remote control? This I have to see! Doh, do you mean Rekluse Clutch? You had my hopes up there for a moment lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro Soon we'll all have joysticks for our remote control... wheelchairs. And don't touch my joystick ya perv.
They don't call it a cockpit for nothing
I've always been under the impression that recluse clutches are for those that don't know how to ride...
My friend has one on his bike and i was a bit jealous when we were in Moab fighting our way up a particularly steep section of rocks. I would stall and have to somehow restart my bike and he avoided that all together, The recluse was great for that.
I guess i need to work on my clutch skills.
If we regularly get into gnarly terrain then that need to work on our clutch skills gets more and more important... or just opt for an auto clutch. Pros and cons to both.
I race a lot of desert, Baja and enduro and have 3 reg bikes and 1 factory all with the rekulse, I was so happy after junking them after changing sponsors I’d only get 6 months outta them all professional installed and they took the fun out of riding the bike
The Rekluse turned my 03 Yz450f into a trail beast. I am putting one on my new KTM 500 XCF-W THIS weekend. Tell them electric start is a crutch, a real man would kickstart his bike. All new bikes are a crutch, or are they improvements that make riding fun and not destructive to the body.
It's surprising how many of the loudest critics of an auto clutch are driving a car or truck with automatic transmission. 😂
I have a rekluse on my wr250f this is the 4th season. I am 61 and ride with my boys in nothern Michigan and it is perfect on the single track. I have had zero problems with it at all.
The only people I've heard talk bad about rekluse are the people who really want one but are too poor to buy one.
aka. me
It wouldn't surprise me, calathan! Most of the time they have never actually tried it either.
They are very expensive. the auto clutch I bought was the XC the best one on the market at that time which was about a year ago or a little more and it was $1,000 but I was looking online and it was Black Friday and from what I understand they never give discounts on the recluse but it was $100 off so I jumped on it and bought it for 900 bucks
Worth every penny
I like Rekluse clutches. Feel the newer ones work so well it’s almost hard to tell they are there once you get use to them.
Rekluse makes the bike easier to ride, and not being young, it allows me enjoy longer rides and more difficult terrain with out getting as tired. Hare scramble results are also significantly better with a Rekluse. Doesn’t make sense how my race results are that much better with the Rekluse. Suspect I’m faster sliding through the trees like melted butter riding a gear higher with the clutch feathering to perfection is faster, compounded by the additional saved energy allows me rip all race long.
In my case I do not see many negatives of the Rekluse. The auto clutch on a 300 2t does feel like cheating, however it makes the ride more enjoyable. That is what matters in my book.
true i ride with a rekluse it makes it way easier and i save more energy
Anything that keeps us riding (and more comfortably) as we get older can only be a good thing, Tim!
"and not being young" - say no more.
42, left home at 17, ran a Rekluse clutch for 4 seasons. A Rekluse is a tool to make a bike that is not ideal for woods riding manageable. It is also useful if hand fatigue is preventing you from having a good time (ie injury or other). Ultimately a Rekluse reduces connection to the rear wheel and can be a tool that makes you a lazy rider and possibly developing poor habits with the clutch. Unfortunately, I see alot of novice riders running a Rekluse that are hindering their progress by using a Rekluse. I guess you don't know what you don't know.
That's a pretty good summary from my perspective, Luis. I would add that plenty of guys don't want to develop their skills of course, which is fine. I know some guys say it's purely for fun and they don't want to improve. Others are in a cold climate and only get to ride half the year and say they couldn't be bothered trying to develop great clutch skills when they spend so much time just trying to regain lost abilities for the six months they weren't riding.
@@crosstrainingenduro , 100% agree. Most riding is about fun. I just think the Rekluse clutch is totally oversold. It is not mandatory on a new bike - For baby Jesus sake certainly not on a modern 2-stroke. Love the videos --- keep it coming! Any time I come across an intermediate rider on a 2-stroke - I just keep on riding.
Yep, modern two strokes are so unlikely to stall that a Rekluse would probably be overkill... that's a consistent theme coming out through the comments too!
"It makes almost all things easier" so true. I have had a Radius CX on my Beta Xtrainer for 3 years, never going back. The only thing I actually miss from a stock setup, is being able to kill the bike in gear to (STEEP) hill hold when my left foot is on the ground. I had to learn to feather the gas to keep the bike at a standstill. Works perfectly.
I'd been skeptical of Rekluse and on the fence for quite some time, then I fitted the Rekluse CX Radius to my 2020 500EXC-F. That skepticism died a quick death. Game chamger as far as I'm concerned.
The five hundy has a heavy clutch pull and it tight tech arm pump can set in pretty quickly. No more.
Love it.
Great comment!
I purchaed a 2017 Husky 250 te with a 300 kit and a rekluse clutch - I have a 30 inch inseam, 5'7". The seat height is 39 inches. The bike is a beast for me, first time back on a dirt bike in nearly 30 years. Im 64 in August and the rekluse clutch is a game changer - all I can say is - its great... Oh and good on you...
Good stuff! I loved using one years ago when I first got into the gnarly technical riding on an FE570. I'll gladly go back to one when arthritis makes it too hard to work a clutch anymore.
I love your videos by the way. Taught me a lot. Thank you 😊
I bought my first "dirt bike" this year, a wr250r, I love it but I quickly realised it was limited for tight bush work. So it was that a 2015 Beta 300 became mine for my 40th birthday. I'd never heard of a rekluse but the previous owner had! Its great, set it up to your desired engagement point and you don't even realise it's there until you're stuck trying to take off after missing your line on a hill. The beta has lovely low gearing, select second and progressive twist of the throttle and off you go, no tyre spin, just perfect engagment. I do feel a left handed clake brake is probably needed to help on the steep terrain, but that's something I'd probably want, with or without a rekluse. As for feeling like I'm missing out on leveling up my clutch skills I take my much heavier, four stroke, cable actuated WR and practice my low speed figure eights for that. Making things easier is not cheating, it's smart and for me makes the bike and tricky situations much more approachable and therefore consistent and safer.
This sums it up. ruclips.net/video/XqZ04Id_IkI/видео.html
I love the Rekluse clutch, hence the name!
Do you have to use the clutch lever to shift gears with the Rekluse radius cx?
I used to have a Recklus clutch when I rode the outdoor series in Mt. I also used to put a 1 tooth smaller sprocket on the front. It's a great combo. Keep riding
I would use anything that would help me continue to enjoy the sport I love . It’s about enjoying your ride . Keep up the good work .
Right on!
70 & have a Recluse on a 500 xcw. Keeps a Ol boy riding longer.
Sheesh 70yrs young on a 500? Your a glutton for punishment.
Great to hear! Anything that keeps you riding longer has to be a good thing. 👍😁
I have been using a Rekluse for 3 years now. I ride tight single track alot. If set up good for the way you ride you will never go back, love it.
I've been running a Rekluse Radius CX in my bike for about 3 years, I absolutely love it. I mostly ride as if it's not there, but I do find in many situations especially in corners it allows me to focus more on smoother throttle application in general and I'm much smoother and faster around corners then if I'm working the clutch manually. Also it comes in handy quite often for those situations where where you might dap just a bit to much rear brake and didn't pull the clutch in time or pull it enough. The only real time I've found it to potentially cause a issue, is if you stall out on a hill, you can't use the engine to keep the bike from rolling backwards. Aside from that one situation, I've found it to be much more helpful then anything else, but also I will say I had been riding for 20 years prior to buying one and am very adept at clutch usage already, it should not be a crutch for helping you out of poor clutch skills, you do still need to learn that, but it is a great benefit for sure.
Great video! I started riding trails again about 4 years ago after a 15 year hiatus. I borrowed a friend’s KDX for 3 years before I bought a KTM 250 (sorry Gumby) from a friend, pre-equipped with a Rekluse. I do not care how much crap I receive from my riding buds because it gives me confidence to keep up with the seasoned riders, and helps especially on steep hill starts. While everyone else is stalling, I am rolling. I say, if it makes you more confident...ride it! I am still getting used to the stiletto heels on my MX boots, but at least I don’t have to worry about the clutch! Cheers!
Great to hear, Lex! All those taunts are probably mostly from jealousy as you cruise past their stalled bikes lol.
If you keep putting hours on those stilettos eventually it will seem natural.
I shattered my Ulna on my right arm racing motocross in AZ. It took me 18 months to heal and be able to ride again. I switched to Offroad/single track, and the Rekluse clutch allowed me to tackle tough, steep, rocky hills on my KTM 500 XC-W and ride longer in the saddle. I still clutch it most of the time, but when things get really tough in the rocks or technical climbs, I know I won’t stall the bike while maneuvering through. They are a great tool that allows you to ride longer or assist you if you have injuries to ride close to at the level you are accustomed to. If you want to use one, use one.
Very good point, and something the haters always forget. Many riders actually have injuries, disabilities or health issues so an auto clutch lets them continue riding. And even if you don't have any physicial problems, why not, if it turns your crank?
I put one on my 07' WR250F for riding the mountains of Montana. Absolutely loved it.
I have one and love it. In California we have so much different kind of riding we can do from fast desert to single track trails and it made my bike the do it all bike for me.
I bought a 250 XCW from someone and it came with a rekluse. Its great since i have 5 screws in my left elbow and having to feather a clutch all day hurts it. I ride like i dont have a rekluse and try to forget its there, but when my elbow/arm hurts, its nice not having to feather. I am not sure i would buy one if i were to get a new bike though.
There might be some other useful tips in this video. It's about arm pump but could still be relevant. ruclips.net/video/uA9RKod5Ltc/видео.html
takes a real man to willingly give up your bump start ability!! I have one due to my bad knee and a 2003 yz450f. Absolutely love it
You can still bump start these if you take a long allen key along. Just make an adjustment to the engagement.
And apparently later versions of the Rekluse had a simple switch so you could revert to manual for clutch starting?
@@dallas_shannon Interesting. I thought that was only an option on the versions after the z start pro. I'll have to look into it. thanks
During my first season of competitive enduro riding I used to ride a Beta 300 2 stroke dirt scooter with a Rekluse clutch and I loved it. I found it very useful for hanging on and not having to cover the clutch when I got arm pump and for learning to ride tricky slow up hill sections , also prevented stalling down the steep downhills and prevented stalling when I fell off , which was often. After that my next bike didn't have one and I learnt clutch control and to manage arm pump by using various techniques. I feel I have more control without it but life is easier with one. Just my thoughts. Great channel chaps, keep it up.
"I feel I have more control without it but life is easier with one." If you work on your manual clutch skills I think you eventually arrive at this conclusion, Peter. I know I have! I want to keep learning so I'll persist without one, but if I ever ride a bike with a Rekluse you can bet I'll be enjoying it.
There was one installed on my fe501 when I bought it. Did not really like it on the street at first, but once I got into technical terrain and hill I completely fell in love. I lend the bike to all of my friend so they can experience what it's like to climb a hill and never have to worry about the clutch or stalling. The only thing I miss is the mechanical brake of the stopped engine, the damn thing will always roll backward on a hill when I mess up my line. But that's really the only CONS I can see about it, as it does everything else a stock clutch does. You still need that free reving clutch pulled on tight single trail section to gain intertia.
In the end it's all about being skilled enough to ride YOUR bike, not ALL bike. We set up our suspension, height, seat, tire the way we like, so why would using a rekluse take away any of the skill? In car there is about 5-6 different way of using clutches from single disc to slipper, H pattern to co2 assisted sequential. You ain't a lesser driver because you are using one or the other.
Didn’t have them on my bike but i sure do remember the burning forearm crying out for something like rekluse while struggling up a steep slippery technical climb
I had one on my 2014 wr450f and have one on my 2020 tx300i. I love them and if its cheating I don't care. I'm 52 and want to just enjoy my rides and the rekluse adds to my enjoyment.
Amen, 47 and pulled the trigger, not installed yet but have the LHRB setup ready to go on at the same time. Can't wait.
@@firemenonbikes i had the lhrb from rekluse on my wr and have one from ox brake on my TX now. I don't like the Ox brake as much have a rekluse lhrb on order. Had to buy a brembo master since rekluse doesn't make one for a magura
I really like my recluse clutch its amazing used it for 3 years now!! I have a 2017 Husqvarna FX 350.
I've fitted a Rekluse on my 2015 Husqvarna FC250, the suspension's been changed to more enduro style, and an 18 inch back wheel. It might not suit everyone, but it's the most fun enduro bike I've ever ridden.
I’ve never used one so I won’t tell you how glad I am that they exist for people who need/prefer them. I’ll just keep it to myself.
Special needs? 😊
The klx110 is quite fun with it’s auto clutch. Perhaps I’m needier than I thought.
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I just bought this exact same bike, same year, in excellent condition. This is indeed a big bike and I am a small guy. I shaved 1 inches of foam off the seat to make it more manageable. I drop one tooth on the front, which helps a lot too for slow riding. I removed at least 50 pounds by replacing the lead/acid battery with a lithium one and replacing a steel rear sprocket with aluminium. ;) I will install a thermostatic fan on it for the typical big 4t overheating problem. The clutch have a very easy pull and I don't plan to put a Rekluse clutch on it. I really don't think it is necessary if you don't slip the clutch more than necessary and have a fan. The bike does not stall so easily for a big 4t. I was surprised by this aspect. I understand this guy for liking this Husaberg and sticking with it. The mass centralisation gives it incredible traction, excellent handling, and make it feel much lighter than it really is. And, most importantly, the big engine, strong but smooth and easy, makes you smile each time you open the throttle. This is a very versatile and pleasant bike but certainly not the ultimate weapon for slow technical riding.
Love the 70 degree Bergs, I still regret selling my FE570 around eight years ago.
Nailed it. Love this bike. That said, it's on the blocks this year as I've abused it far too long. It has got to go. A new 450 is in the works.
So I started riding about 7 years ago. I took over my brothers WR 450 that had about 450 hours on it from new. He had installed the Rekluse from new. This was a huge reason I had loved the bike when I first rode it 2 years before he sold it to me. I was a street rider and had no skills in the dirt and it allowed me to ride above my skill level. It also had the LHRB which was freakin amazing to me because as a street rider of a crotch rocket I never even really used my back brake and had no habits (muscle and feel wise) for the pedal. The LHRB gave unparalleled feel while braking and when holding on a hill especially when your right foot was on the high side. In the low traction conditions, the Rekluse was unstoppable compared to a standard clutch. In the 450 hours I rode that WR, and the 900 hours it had when I sold it, the clutch friction plates got replaced once. That Z Start Pro was a pretty bullet proof unit. (Not to mention the WR itself. It was still running strong and had NOT been rebuilt). SO now I have a Husaberg TE 300 with a standard clutch. I knew that if my trail riding skills were to progress I needed to learn proper skills and loose some bad techniques. It took me a full season to get back to my same level of riding with my standard clutch and having to use my foot brake, HOWEVER, since then my skill level has really improved ( with the same amount of effort per year of riding) and will continue to grow because there are so many things you can do with a standard clutch that you just can’t with a Rekluse ( the Z Start anyways).
So in conclusion, there are many advantages to a Rekluse and they are a life saver for people who have physical disadvantages of a sort. They do have their disadvantages as well but the decision to use one will be best made entirely on your own riding experience and goals as a rider. Nobody else can do more than give you advice. If they are giving you a hard time, it’s either from a lack of experience or maturity- ignore that and concentrate on what will boost your fun level when riding. I ride a standard clutch now at 51 and have no plans to go back until my physical condition demands it or I start riding a dual sport or some other situation calls for it. As has been stated in many of the posts, the Fun Factor is King here in this sport, - use whichever clutch goes in that direction for you.
I've been thinking of trying an LHRB, Peter. This just makes me want one even more! As for the haters, I couldn't agree with your comment more.... "If they are giving you a hard time, it’s either from a lack of experience or maturity- ignore that and concentrate on what will boost your fun level when riding."
We are brothers from another mother.
My fourth bike in my progression came to me with a Rekluse and I have had about 4 seasons on it. I still nearly always clutch out of habit but I'm sure it prevented some mistakes. That being said, it removed stalling from the equation and allowed me to focus on other aspects of riding such as reading the trail and learning the lower rpm range and avoiding wheel spin. For someone who over thinks most things not having to worry about the clutch, but still having it available was a win. I have recently added a second bike and I do not plan on adding a Rekluse as I feel more comfortable with the trails I ride and my skill set, pace etc. that adding some clutch skills in at this point will be beneficial.
Best thing I ever put on my WF250F and BMW 800GSA, moved out of the basement 50 yrs. ago.
I have RadiusCx in wrf250 f ... Well after 5 months of using i poot stock cluch back. I am enduro Ryder maybe in Motocross it will halp bat not for hard enduro
Ya but does your mother still do your laundry?
I have a rekluse on all of my dirt bikes and all my riding buddies’ dirt bikes and I love love them! And I know Woody!
He offered wise advice.
Have only owned 2 bikes #1 KLR 650 for 5 years (not a lot of trail riding done), #2 KTM350 XCF W purchased last year with a rekluse. That bike and clutch allowed me to advance to Montana single track that I don’t think I could have otherwise. I love the no stall factor .
I love the rekluse clutch on my 2020Yz250f made for the woods. I also had a Husaberg fx450 and yes that bike desperately needed a rekluse for the tight single track.
WOOT WOOT. You feel my pain.
I remember when ski brakes first came out. I continued to use safety straps because I was a purist at skiing.
Then I used brakes and was convinced to embrace technology.
This happens with everything - brilliant analogy though!
@@TractioneRag back in my day...
Never tried one. But I'm all about making life easier. Everyone I know who has one loves them.
Can't believe they admit to it!
You have inspired them to come out of the closet, Dallas.
Had a YZ450f with the Recluse Z-start pro. Loved it - made it more trail ridable as you could lug through technical rock sections without stalling. Made it a good all purpose bike. Still had a 19in rear wheel tho. It was so fun at the track and the clutch simplified things as it does most of the feathering for you. Oil changes are more frequent but worth it in my opinion.
I ran a rekluse clutch on my 2000 cr250 two stroke and I absolutely loved it!! Just bought my first brand new 4 stroke 2022 wr250f and I’m gonna put one on it!
Hard to get used to and I do still feather the clutch. 15 KTM 450 xcf. BUT in uphills that are steep then I find it very worthwhile.
I had a crf 450 r which was the least appropriate bike for woods. After putting the recluse z- start pro on my bike transformed into a kitten. That bike needed it. For the gasgas that I have now, completely unnecessary.
Great channel, cheers Bazza!
Understatement of the comment section: "450R, which was the least appropriate bike for the woods"
I bought a ktm with one and I hate it any recommendations for a regular clutch
I have had one on my 2006 250x Honda since 2007 a love it and it is the old one with the Ball bearings.
I have a Recluse on my Yamaha YZ 450 FX. And I love it, I couldn't stand the flame out you get on the 4strokes. That alone is worth installing a Recluse. I'm 62 years old trying to keep up with the young ones, and it sure helps. It does have drawbacks like going downhill you need to be in a lower gear and blip the throttle. But that's no real problem. Hope this helps in making some decisions.
The dreaded flame out, Ray! I've been over the bars twice lining up to hop logs on big four strokes, sigh.
Riding with young men and keeping up feels SOOOOO good.
I enjoy the “rekluse” on my 76 trail 90. Makes the most out of the 7hp and 8 speed box. More importantly it’s easy for my wife to manage : ) anything that helps her ride is a bonus!
The Rekluse probably mellows out the power and reduces the huge roost if that 7hp kicked in suddenly, Rob. I have ridden a CT90 and I know how lethal they can be. 😊
What an interesting and unexpected comment. NICE!
I used rekluse gearbox in my 2018 beta250rr for about 3 years. I have never seen anything else in my life that deserves its money so much. Since I had to take a break from enduro for a while when my child was born, I sold my engine both so that my engine would not rot on the sidelines and to try different engines.
Now I am using KTM 250 EXC-F. rekluse has released a new gearbox, I used to have the exp 3.0 one, they improved it a lot, I bought this new version. exp3.0 was already like magic, I can't even imagine it. waiting for the product to arrive in the cargo.greetings from Turkey
Met a guy riding some gnarly terrain... double below the amputee. Rekluse clutch with left hand rear brake. Dude was a savage!
My KTM 300XC with a Rekluse is an amazing machine. I am 50 years old and hadn’t rode for 30 some odd years. It has allowed me to ride trails and hills and obstacles that I struggled with before. I know it’s good to learn proper clutch control, but it’s also good for a newbie to get to the top of a nasty hill in one piece and benefit from the confidence.
Right on!
F clutch control, at least in the beginning. Go where you couldn't have gone before and if you really feel the need to learn clutch control, do it after you have a grasp on allllllll the other things you need to learn.
I remember as a kid growing up in the early 80's, riding my yzinger 50, asking why the big bike need a manual clutch. Turns out they don't!
I recently bought a bike with a rekluse clutch. I didn't know anything about it and was amazed at being in control starting on even sketchy hills. The big thing I haven't figured on is not having engine breaking going down a sketchy hill. I'm still trying to figure that out. - oh well - learning if fun.
Never had one, but I think the overheating happened because when you slip the clutch you also keep your revs higher and this happens at slow(er) speed when there's little to no airflow through the radiators. The Rekluse clutch allows you to keep your revs lower w/o stalling. Less combustion cycles = less heat! Also slipping the clutch produces heat because of the friction and with the Rekluse you get less of that, but I don't think that was a major factor. This is purely my theoretical thinking based on the little bit of engineering I still remember from my university days... before the last ice age...
Im just under 6ft 6 and 110kg (around 240ish pound I think) I ride a '17 crf 450rx with a rekluse. I love it. One less thing to worry about in the tight trails. You can still flick/slip the clutch like normal if the need arises. I was worried I would loose back compression/engine breaking but its still there. I have no problems with it.
I am about to get a 2020 450 RX!
How's your life insurance?
@@crosstrainingenduro 😂😂 all payed up brother....my Dad is my advisor...lil bit of extra trauma cover in there, and family discount!
Best thing I ever put on my WR250F and BMW 800GSA, moved out of the basement 50yrs ago.
Hydraulic clutch changed my riding the most on my wr 250f.
Two years in on my recluse and I love it
I bought a 300xcw with 12 hrs on it in July of 19 and the previous owner installed one on it. Im not gonna take it off. I love it. Is it easier? Yep. Am I less tired after a ride? Yep. Do my friends give me grief? Yep and I could care less. Bull dogging through borders and not stalling is fantastic.
Not giving a rip what people think is a prerequisite!
Have a recluse CX for 2yrs now in my 17 450RX... same scenario I would overheat the bike on tighter technical terrain... not any more! I have no complaints about it!
**FYI I ride it like a regular clutch**
I've got a 2020 450RX coming my way....
If it works for you (as it obviously does) that bike is not "obsolete". It is "absolute".
About your question on why it stopped overheating, if you didn't get an answer yet : during competition, some pilots shift gear without using the clutch to avoid motor overheating. The oil friction in the clutch cooks oil quick!
I just installed a rekluse on my KTM 350 SXF, I bought it because I was ready for a new clutch, and want to try it for the anti-stalling abilities. I still like to use my clutch so we will see how I like it. I haven't properly ridden on it yet but Im hoping it feels good!
They prevent overheating because they're a predictable mechanical device, not a smooth-brained dirt rider that drags the clutch beyond the strictly necessary point. I've considered that maybe they'd be the perfect solution for dual-sport applications, where you'd like a "tall" countershaft drive for road use, but not have to give up a low 1st/2nd gear. Your success makes me think that's likely to work very well.
I used a Rekluse on my FE570 so it was geared very high for adventure riding but I could also do gnarly slow dirt rides too... worked a treat!
You nailed it on the head. I was dragging the clutch and unnecessarily overheating the engine. It took me a lot of debates and head scratching as to why it kept the temps down and it was simply - my human error.
Rekluse with the new Torque Drive is pretty sweet
Have to look into that!
Lets work at getting you into matching riding gear first... THEN the Torque Drive!
I purchased my 2015sx 250 last year with one in it.It was purchased as a rider then later a winter project to make a fun hard Enduro style bike.At 1st I did not care for it because it was set up wrong for my use.It kicked in late and kicked out early.After calling the company they sold me some new springs and it took 2 spring changes to make it work good.As said I ride trials but I still like this thing now that it is set up properly.I can still use my clutch and it rarely kicks out on a down hill.My only changes will be to install the cable operated ox brake and a higher compression head which will give me a little more blip for hopping logs.All the parts on my bike are tuned to work together which makes a big difference on the trail.My sx was a torture device when I got it for my 36" Inseam and 3 squashed discs in my back.1.5" Bar risers,tall seat,fastway pegs in down back position, totally soft off-road suspension calving and bike is now just a joy to ride in narly single track.I purchased a 11 oz heavy flywheel at but it actually works against the rekluse so removed it.
Have been using Rekluse since the old Z-start back in 2006. It is the bomb for dead engine starts and I love when I fall over the bike just lays there running waiting for me to pick it up.
I use a rekluse because I suck... I love riding but don’t always have time so my skills haven’t gotten much better in years.. now that I have one though, my fun factor has doubled.. it’s true.. it makes it easier.. you can focus your mind on the trail and your throttle and not on whether you are going to kill the bike or not. I’ll happily take the verbal beatings.. if I’m enjoying myself more that’s all that matters
Me too!
Anything that makes riding more fun can't be a bad thing! (Although maybe magic mushrooms don't count?) 😁
I have a rekluse on my puch maxi s (50ccm from the last century). at least i think it works the same way
I have arthritis and my hands are very sore after a day of riding.. the rekluse clutch made it so much easier on my hands and actually made me a better rider!! I do recommend. It's the future of dirt bike riding!!
I love my recluse. I rode 2 strokes for 25 and 2 years ago i bought an xcf 350.
It would flame out multiple times each ride at the most inopportune times. I tried tunes and a heavier flywheel with no luck. I installed the recluse and it hasn't flamed out since. One word of caution, don't get lazy an shut off the bike in gear. I almost launched myself off the end of a landing twice.
I'm also toying with the Idea of getting one for my 890 adventure R. That bike doesn't stall easily but 1st gear is a bit tall for single track here in Western Washington.
I give zero shits what others say I freaking love my rekluse, I think it's funny when people say its cheating. I dont care never going to own a bike without one ever again.
A Rekluse is not a product, but an experience...
hahaha. well said.
An experience in substantially lightening your wallet? 😁
@@crosstrainingenduro kids already did that... 😂😂😂
I have used a Rekluse Pro start for years on a KTM 200 EXC. I put it on because when I was racing H&H stalling was costing me places. I am now not currently racing and feel the Rekluse is costing me control especially over obstacles. I am now considering my options either take it off and live with the stalling or change to a bike with a button. Re your Husaburg did you consider just changing the overall gearing with the sprockets or do you have places where you need the top end?
Dallas (the narrator) does a mix of slow tracks and fast open trails, John... so needs to the high gearing but the Rekluse manages the slow stuff. I used a Rekluse for the same thing when I was using an FE570 for adventure and dirt riding years ago.
I finally got one, its like a cheat code for challenging terrain. 👍👍
Amazing piece of technology when set up correctly. Cant even tell it’s there if you don’t want to use it. Amazing traction if you do want to use it. No flameouts or stalling either way. Only downside (besides $$$) is the free wheeling backwards on failed hill climb attempts....and with the Rekluse you’ll in a much higher and steeper part of the hill when you do fail!
If I had stuck with mine I think I would have eventually put a left hand rear brake on as well to reduce the risks of rolling backwards...
@@crosstrainingenduro This may be the first time I have heard you say this...
Shhhhh! I don't want all those autoclutch haters hating on me!
Just like real crutches, a recluse makes walking easier if you have a bum leg, but you can’t run with them. Same thing here - it makes some things easier, but some more advanced techniques much harder because you loose some of that fine clutch control. At least that has been my experience, it was a bit frustrating for me to ride with one, and I liked the manual better. Maybe newer models are better, maybe (probably) I’m just a newb in general and suck at riding regardless of equipment :D
This whole discussion will be obsolete in a few years once we’re all riding single speed electric motorcycles with no clutches anyway.
I've only used the rekluse on my beta 300rr (hydro clutch) so I don't know how it is on cable clutch bikes. But in my experience the only difference in manually using the clutch is it is slightly stiffer than the factory one. Other than that I can still use it manually for large log hops, powering out of turns, holeshots, and pivot turns. I don't really know it's there until I mess up and the bike stays running.
Your final comment was such a juicy nugget.
I have a rekluse on my supermoto (2013 wr450) I bought it with it installed and I still have it 2 years later. I like the ease of use, but I would prefer an aftermarket hydraulic clutch over a rekluse pretty much any day! Rekluse takes less skill and is (slightly) less predictable than using the lever, but it's a great option nonetheless.
So say, I already have rekluse, and i want to practice slow enduro style stuff, almost trials type of riding, will the rekluse help? Or make it harder?
We did a video on that exact topic a few years ago... 😊
I don’t think it’s cheating unless you use it in a closed competition race where it isn’t allowed. In the real world, people are going to use what makes them more comfortable. I borrowed a 350 XC-W (with a Rekluse) for a 60 mile desert loop in Arizona. It was great for the tight steep corners and hill climbs! It allowed me to purely focus on the trail ahead of me and not my clutch feathering.
The overall experience was really enjoyable and fun to try out. Not sure if I would immediately rush to buy one but they certainly transform the bikes characteristics. Hopefully this opinion somewhat counts 😊
I would say that's an excellent opinion! Usually the most rabid Rekluse critics have never tried one, or just rode for five minutes, determined not to like it. It sounds as though you tested with open eyes and an objective approach. 👍
I dont knos how anyone would sed it as cheating
Face it, you and Barry are the giraffes of the offroad world. (I mean that the nice way .. I'm one too!)
Compliment taken! Everything has compromises, tall and short!
I do appreciate how Dallas makes me feel like less of a freak when I look up at him lol.
6'6" myself. Almost easier not to sit down
I ran a rekluse on my 99 KTM 300 EXC for the first 2 years I was riding dirt. It was amazing. I put it on the bike because I was getting serious arm pump in casual riding and hare scrambles. Also, that bike was kick only and though it is a 2T, I needed to have my hips replaced, so anytime I could prevent a stall, especially in a race situation, I was happy. Since then, I've had both my hips replaced, but I also realized that I wasn't going to live without an e-start. I purchased a 2017 300 XCW 6-Days last year that I currently ride. I have not put a rekluse in this one. First, the clutch pull is much easier than the 99'. Second, my riding has improved a bit, to a point where I'm experimenting with using the clutch more to get over obstacles etc. My arm pump isn't as bad on this bike, though it still happens. I still consider myself a "C" rider. My buddy who used to razz me to no end for my Rekluse, actually just put one in his hare scramble race bike. It's a big 450 4T kick only... He finally understands the benefits that it brought me. Will I put one in another one of my bikes? If the situation demands it, absolutely. Do I care how others view it, nope... If it helps a rider advance in their skills, or be able to continue to ride, then go for it.
All very good insights and consistent with what others are saying. 😊 Good to hear the arm pump is backing off, I've the same in recent years and not sure why... better technique? Gripping the bike more with my legs?
Great story!