I use pieces of 1inch pvc as the spacers between the forms and just leave them in there and pour on top to make drainage holes. Looks good. Needs rebar though
So Why do you not have a little excavator? it looks like one will fit in there perfectly. A whole lot faster and it won't break your back. A Customer Would probably pay more if they knew it was getting done quicker. The problem is that the internet exposed how easy a lot of this s*** that you guys do in construction is pretty simple.Once you learn the tricks of the trade. And i'm not saying that construction is not hard because I was a union framer for seventeen years. So I know it's hard. But we do know a lot of shit that people wouldn't know who aren't in the trades.
Using a reciprocating saw as a vibrator is a great idea. I would have placed a couple of #3 rebars in there for good measure in case roots push on it as the plants mature. Also, tooling control joints in wet concrete is tedious. I'd finish it smooth and cut them into the green concrete with a diamond (or abrasive) blade in a circular saw. Thanks for the content. It looks great.
Great job Andrew. You always put out a great show with all necessary, helpful information included. That concrete machine is fabulous and the ATI Team is too.
From experience you have created a pond. One day you will get so much rain that it will fill up and travel under your home. The fix is to enclose it away from the hose and add 2 inch pvc for drainage
One of the biggest "tricks" in building with concrete is to let it dry as slowly as possible (by for instance covering it with plastic sheets). Look it up...
You ain't kidding. My father planted pines all along the property line in my back yard when I was like 5. I'm now 47 (inherited home) and the pines are all 50ft plus. The amount of twigs, pine needles and pine cones I have to deal with every spring is insane. I've had a few cut down and it cost me a few thousand. It would cost me tens of thousands to get the rest down. As it stands I have about 8 that are too close to the house. In total there are about 50 remaining. Avoid pine trees, and poplar trees too because those grow real fast and are very weak.
I really like the look of this. I'm wondering how it would work in central WI zone 4b and do you think we'd have to do anything different? Thanks for sharing this!
Take the grass that you cut out, lay it upside down in the planter, when it dries out knock the excess dirt out and throw away the grass, it will be so much lighter in weight.
Nice job & looks great. You probably could have done something fancy with the drain/downspout. Taking it down into ground and angling out into a French drain for your lawn or for the new flower bed.
I would have suggested brushing or brooming to give it a texture. Also, would have pulled the board on the front off, rubbed and brushed it too. But overall better than what you had before.
Nice job, I got a feeling my Wife will want concrete garden beds if I show her this..:). My only suggestion is I would have used a single strand of rebar through the middle (probably overkill) and I would have built the forms by ripping a single sheet of OSB or plywood.. Cus I'm cheap...:)
Nice job. And I've never seen anyone use an empty reciprocating saw to vibrate forms to eliminate air pockets. I'm always pleasantly surprised when I get to learn a new pro-tip. Thanks for that! 👍
pouring concrete with water when it dries help to prevent cracking, especially when there's direct sun. For lazy solution - cover concrete with soaking wet blanket :)
Interior floors will have a substantial temperature difference than exterior. The expansion board lets both monoliths move independently. Where everything is in the same environment it will all move together.
Good job! Having done this a number times myself i know how much time and effort is required. I always put in a # 3 bar centered but i think I'd more inclined to mix in a reinforcing fiber next time.
@@davidstreling3690 I should have been a bit clearer. Instead of a #3 bar, I'd be inclined to add some fiber and and joint it where I think it may crack. Ultimately the base would determine what if any reinforcement is needed.
While that mud mixer is a great tool the mark up on it is absolutely insane for what it really is if you would take it apart. i assume the cost of manufacturing that thing can't be more than 600-800$. Besides that i absolutely love the ideea you just gave me and the knowledge i gained from your video. now time to start my project too :)
Those foundation plantings are still to close to the house...will out growthay space in a few years... Need to offset from face new curb to 30" or more to a second curb then move plantings into that new space to be able grow more peacefully roomier and easier to take care of later when in a few years those evergreens have grown
... Then with that 'old' space plant with annuals perennials or select vegetables... Just chose better for space and sun direction... With certain perennials and annuals you can afford some over growth... As winter will prune those plants back
For the amount of labor that takes and the time expenditure Belgium block would have been mich faster and a MUCH more beautiful finish. Just an FYI from a 35 year pro.
Or you could use red bricks slanted at 45 degrees costing around $30 max and adding some class instead making it look like a government project House ! But then it wouldn’t blend in with those as asbestos shingles !
Would love to get a rough estimate on how much $/ft this method cost. I'm considering using ground contact lumber for edging but know its a temporary solution to a permanent need. Thx!
ok, it would have been much easier to mow if your design had a radius corner and you radius it out to your existing slab. thats always gonna be tough mowing that inside corner, also you could of designed your form so outside edge sloped down to where you could have drove your mower wheel right on it so no edging would be required.also you should have put expansion joints in every so often for cracking.
I love your channel, Andrew. Keep it up! I feel obliged to let folks know that curbing-in landscaping CAN be equivalent to purposefully damming water up against a foundation. Drainage is key! With this in mind, the gutter above the bed in the video is showing clear signs of overflowing into the bed. This is a worst case scenario! All of this to say that DIY landscape curbing is fine, but drainage must be assessed as part of the project.
It cracks because you have no steel bars inside that conccrete at all.. Those have the role to keep it from cracking...and hold it together. Nex time use some reinforced bars in that "mud" you are about to pour.
What size of gravel did you use in the base? Also, not criticizing but going with a rounded contour would have softened the sharp edge of the house. Personally, I'm not big on one "box" to finish off another "box" look.
Great video and a new subscriber here. Quick question, what remedial work did you perform to fix the crack after it appeared in the control weak point you created (1 months ago after the pour)?
What area of the country are you in i.e. does it freeze and snow there because if it does those things are going to crack and break in a year or two of winters. Next project...clean up those moldy gutters!
Need weep holes and to get the water from the downspout to dump outside the curb. Water runs straight down thru the mulch and compost like top soil. Not good to have all that water trapped so close to the house.
I dont understand why Americans dont have fences!? In my country we have a saying “Opportunity creates a thief”, so why dont you have a fence at least around your house?
Я б положил б ещё пару арматур или армировочную (кладочную) сетку в бетон. И на мой взгляд щебня много наложил. А так "it's good" и выглядит "perfect"👍💪
New to the channel but love all the tasks. The part for us beginners is the supplies and the right mixing of the concrete. Other than that it is nice to see the finished product on here.
I highly recommend people just use bricks instead of pouring a curb around your house. The next thing person to live there probably isn’t going to like the busted up curb and it will hurt your resale. Plus it’s a bunch of work to remodel it compared to removing normal landscape bricks.
@@CarlYota that’s pretty subjective, I had 200 feet of poured concrete curb installed around my last house and the buyer loved it. The only reason I did it myself at my new house is because I literally couldn’t get the company to do it they weee so busy, of course my one did not look like the professional one.
You use the word “basically” when it is not necessary, and it renders your sentence inaccurate. If you are doing something, you are doing it. If you are “basically” doing something, you are doing something akin to, but not quite, your stated objective. If you are “basically” doing X, you are NOT doing X. It’s a bad habit that can be overcome.
Rebar doesn't always prevent cracks. It just keeps the slab from separating. From my experience concrete cracks more often because it shrinks as it cures. That's why you need to install the control joints, it's expected to crack
@@h2thechizoit445 I see, you are using a fast curing concrete then. I am using a “normal” concrete I mix myself from cement, sand and gravel. I cures slower and didn’t crack ever. Thanks for explaining your case.
Wow Thank You for the ideas!!! We are trying to come up with landscape edgding plans for our house and I never thought of doing concrete and forms. We just watched your video and we have so many ideas now. 💡 😃
Very nice and professional job. Such a pleasure to watch how everything is done correctly.
I appreciate it, John! Thanks for watching
you forgot motor oil on the 4x 4 framing to reduce the bumpy side finish on the cement when you pull the wood framing off.
I use pieces of 1inch pvc as the spacers between the forms and just leave them in there and pour on top to make drainage holes. Looks good. Needs rebar though
That is good job but you miss RCB( Reinforced concrete Bar). Always while you pour concrete use RCB
people around world: create concrete plate for stop water flowing under house.
mericans: I will create garden here and will put rainwater on it
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Why do you not have a little excavator? it looks like one will fit in there perfectly. A whole lot faster and it won't break your back. A Customer
Would probably pay more if they knew it was getting done quicker. The problem is that the internet exposed how easy a lot of this s*** that you guys do in construction is pretty simple.Once you learn the tricks of the trade. And i'm not saying that construction is not hard because I was a union framer for seventeen years. So I know it's hard. But we do know a lot of shit that people wouldn't know who aren't in the trades.
Its diy lol not everyone has an excavator sitting around
Concrete is not environment friendly and causes global warming. A garden is the last place you put more concrete.
Now I can edge like a pro. Thanks.
I egded to this video
Using a reciprocating saw as a vibrator is a great idea. I would have placed a couple of #3 rebars in there for good measure in case roots push on it as the plants mature. Also, tooling control joints in wet concrete is tedious. I'd finish it smooth and cut them into the green concrete with a diamond (or abrasive) blade in a circular saw. Thanks for the content. It looks great.
nothing quite like edging with the help of a vibrator!
2x6 forms seem a bit of expensive overkill....contractors mostly use 1x or even 3/4 ply...good DIY video
i do agree.
Great job Andrew. You always put out a great show with all necessary, helpful information included. That concrete machine is fabulous and the ATI Team is too.
Appreciate it, Patrick! Thanks for watching! And Ryan came through big time on this one 💯
i edge to you patrick
From experience you have created a pond. One day you will get so much rain that it will fill up and travel under your home. The fix is to enclose it away from the hose and add 2 inch pvc for drainage
My 72 year old back hurts just watching you dig HAHA Great job! But I would have put in curves HAHA
One of the biggest "tricks" in building with concrete is to let it dry as slowly as possible (by for instance covering it with plastic sheets).
Look it up...
I don't usually edge to that kind of stuff, but i get why some people might
Now i can edge in class
Bro you’re killing it with the house. Love your concrete builds 👌
Appreciate it! It’s almost done ✅
As someone who cuts his own grass, hooray for not putting in a stupid curving curb or just dropping landscaping stones.
You don't want to grow pines, brother, especially next to your house... they will get huge. Otherwise, thanks a lot for your videos!
You ain't kidding. My father planted pines all along the property line in my back yard when I was like 5. I'm now 47 (inherited home) and the pines are all 50ft plus. The amount of twigs, pine needles and pine cones I have to deal with every spring is insane. I've had a few cut down and it cost me a few thousand. It would cost me tens of thousands to get the rest down. As it stands I have about 8 that are too close to the house. In total there are about 50 remaining.
Avoid pine trees, and poplar trees too because those grow real fast and are very weak.
I really like the look of this. I'm wondering how it would work in central WI zone 4b and do you think we'd have to do anything different? Thanks for sharing this!
saw trick was brilliant. I don't do concrete but that looked like a fancy tool until you explained what it was love watching videos like this
Appreciate it - glad it helped you out!
Take the grass that you cut out, lay it upside down in the planter, when it dries out knock the excess dirt out and throw away the grass, it will be so much lighter in weight.
You must do this for a living to have that expensive mud mixer.
Any reason you did not put any re-enforcement into the forms?
wd-40 on the wood makes it not stick as bad
💯 I usually apply WD 40 to my forms but I skipped it for this project
Diesel in a pump spray bottle or brushed on for smaller jobs.
Nice job & looks great. You probably could have done something fancy with the drain/downspout. Taking it down into ground and angling out into a French drain for your lawn or for the new flower bed.
I appreciate it. And you are totally right. I just kept it simple 👍
I would have suggested brushing or brooming to give it a texture. Also, would have pulled the board on the front off, rubbed and brushed it too. But overall better than what you had before.
Texture definitely would have helped to hide some of the imperfections - that’s for sure. Thanks for watching
I was thinking for the one my wife wants I'm gonna use cinder blocks then drive rebar in the holes and fill with concrete. Wood is expensive.
Hi. Interesting project. Do you have frost in winter? Or why don't you put reinforcement inside?
Respectable but definitely not correct
Would love to know what could be improved .
Great content Andrew! You make it look so easy in each video. Just wondering when you’ll be doing a deck project video.
Great dam, it will hold water next to your house nicely, unless you put a french drain in.
Nah, why stop at edging, just pave over your garden with nice luxurious concrete.
Is the reason why you did not use rebar in the project is because it was not necessary?
Not overkill at all, trust me. Nice work!
Nice job, I got a feeling my Wife will want concrete garden beds if I show her this..:). My only suggestion is I would have used a single strand of rebar through the middle (probably overkill) and I would have built the forms by ripping a single sheet of OSB or plywood.. Cus I'm cheap...:)
Haha the OSB is actually a pretty good idea! So is the rebar - definitely wouldn’t hurt
Looks good! Some steel would have been good to avoid those cracks
Why not build a mowing strip into the curb? It would make life a lot easier. Kiwi
Nice job. And I've never seen anyone use an empty reciprocating saw to vibrate forms to eliminate air pockets. I'm always pleasantly surprised when I get to learn a new pro-tip. Thanks for that! 👍
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
Hammer
That is really awesome! You make it look so easy.
I appreciate it - Thanks for watching!
why didn't you put geotex fabric on ground first before the rock. Love your detail!
I forgot and only remembered after I put the first bit of stone down haha I appreciate it!
pouring concrete with water when it dries help to prevent cracking, especially when there's direct sun. For lazy solution - cover concrete with soaking wet blanket :)
Good tip - thanks for watching!
The expansion board isn’t necessary where exterior concrete contacts exterior concrete. It’s recommended when exterior meets interior (driveway against garage floor).
Fair point - I just went for the “better safe than sorry” approach. Thanks for watching!
@@AndrewThronImprovements starstruck I am! Thanks for the response dude.
So you’re saying exterior concrete doesn’t need expansion joint because it doesn’t expand ? 😅
Interior floors will have a substantial temperature difference than exterior. The expansion board lets both monoliths move independently. Where everything is in the same environment it will all move together.
Good job! Having done this a number times myself i know how much time and effort is required. I always put in a # 3 bar centered but i think I'd more inclined to mix in a reinforcing fiber next time.
I think a stick of rebar would have been a good idea in hindsight. Hopefully it holds up for a while regardless!
LOL 6 inch's deep and for a flower garden and you think it needed rebar and fiber cement
@@davidstreling3690 I should have been a bit clearer. Instead of a #3 bar, I'd be inclined to add some fiber and and joint it where I think it may crack. Ultimately the base would determine what if any reinforcement is needed.
Another perfect job with no rebar and honeycomb
Good job, love the finish. I won't be able to leap out there and do any of that but I could instruct some neighborhood boys..
I appreciate it. And I had some neighbors come by as I was doing the project haha
While that mud mixer is a great tool the mark up on it is absolutely insane for what it really is if you would take it apart. i assume the cost of manufacturing that thing can't be more than 600-800$. Besides that i absolutely love the ideea you just gave me and the knowledge i gained from your video. now time to start my project too :)
It’s definitely expensive and not needed if you have a wheelbarrow and a shovel 👍 thanks for watching!
It’s not ‘curb’ - it’s ‘kerb’. World of difference.
Mortar is for laying bricks and blocks.
Those foundation plantings are still to close to the house...will out growthay space in a few years... Need to offset from face new curb to 30" or more to a second curb then move plantings into that new space to be able grow more peacefully roomier and easier to take care of later when in a few years those evergreens have grown
... Then with that 'old' space plant with annuals perennials or select vegetables... Just chose better for space and sun direction... With certain perennials and annuals you can afford some over growth... As winter will prune those plants back
Awesome man, looks really clean. Going to try something similar in my front yard. Keep the great content coming!
Appreciate it! Good luck with your project!
mortar-mix and cemetall are mortars, not concrete ... so, they really cannot act as substitutes
thanks for showing me the way to edge correctly
Great work and info. Thanks!!!
Just what I needed to see! Great job
Appreciate it! Good luck with your project.
This is what I need… love concrete
For the amount of labor that takes and the time expenditure Belgium block would have been mich faster and a MUCH more beautiful finish. Just an FYI from a 35 year pro.
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Or you could use red bricks slanted at 45 degrees costing around $30 max and adding some class instead making it look like a government project House ! But then it wouldn’t blend in with those as asbestos shingles !
Would love to get a rough estimate on how much $/ft this method cost. I'm considering using ground contact lumber for edging but know its a temporary solution to a permanent need. Thx!
ok, it would have been much easier to mow if your design had a radius corner and you radius it out to your existing slab. thats always gonna be tough mowing that inside corner, also you could of designed your form so outside edge sloped down to where you could have drove your mower wheel right on it so no edging would be required.also you should have put expansion joints in every so often for cracking.
I love your channel, Andrew. Keep it up! I feel obliged to let folks know that curbing-in landscaping CAN be equivalent to purposefully damming water up against a foundation. Drainage is key! With this in mind, the gutter above the bed in the video is showing clear signs of overflowing into the bed. This is a worst case scenario! All of this to say that DIY landscape curbing is fine, but drainage must be assessed as part of the project.
It cracks because you have no steel bars inside that conccrete at all.. Those have the role to keep it from cracking...and hold it together. Nex time use some reinforced bars in that "mud" you are about to pour.
What size of gravel did you use in the base? Also, not criticizing but going with a rounded contour would have softened the sharp edge of the house. Personally, I'm not big on one "box" to finish off another "box" look.
This is my agenda this season. Planning the dimensions and process so this was helpful
Good luck with your project!
For some reason this looks easy but I’m like! 😬 especially in South Florida where when you dig 3 inches you hit coral rock!
Great video and a new subscriber here. Quick question, what remedial work did you perform to fix the crack after it appeared in the control weak point you created (1 months ago after the pour)?
Looks good. I would have used washed stone instead of crusher run though especially since you wanted it for drainage.
Any recommendations on a finishing trowel for a slab? Steel/mag, etc.
What area of the country are you in i.e. does it freeze and snow there because if it does those things are going to crack and break in a year or two of winters.
Next project...clean up those moldy gutters!
Need weep holes and to get the water from the downspout to dump outside the curb. Water runs straight down thru the mulch and compost like top soil. Not good to have all that water trapped so close to the house.
Nice job ? but you shouldn’t formed added mowing strip
Hi Andrew do you live in winter state? Just curious what frost might do to this? Would rebar help that? Thanks for the video!
Personally I would just use nice pavers for this kind of thing. But it looks like a bang-on job
I dont understand why Americans dont have fences!? In my country we have a saying “Opportunity creates a thief”, so why dont you have a fence at least around your house?
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Я б положил б ещё пару арматур или армировочную (кладочную) сетку в бетон. И на мой взгляд щебня много наложил.
А так "it's good" и выглядит "perfect"👍💪
It would have been enough if you had used bricks instead of concrete. Cheaper and easier.
Definitely cheaper and easier. I just doubt it would last nearly as long
do you need rebar Im making a small flower bed for mailbox thanks
love the video first time doing this
Арматура где
New to the channel but love all the tasks. The part for us beginners is the supplies and the right mixing of the concrete. Other than that it is nice to see the finished product on here.
Welcome! I appreciate it
Обрезная строганая фрезерованная доска на опалубку. да и не особо тонкая. Непонятно только почему не покрашена.
Amazing. Why not put the landscape material on top of the compacted soil to mitigate migration of gravel into soil?
When you say, "let it set up a little bit before finishing." How long do you mean?
Good video, made me realize I should just hire a pro 😢😅, but thanks
I did this but mine looks Ike sit, too much work, did dry pour method. I’ll hide the imperfections with plants.
Sorry to hear that! I’m not a huge fan of the dry pour method to be honest. I think it yields poor results.
I highly recommend people just use bricks instead of pouring a curb around your house. The next thing person to live there probably isn’t going to like the busted up curb and it will hurt your resale. Plus it’s a bunch of work to remodel it compared to removing normal landscape bricks.
@@CarlYota that’s pretty subjective, I had 200 feet of poured concrete curb installed around my last house and the buyer loved it. The only reason I did it myself at my new house is because I literally couldn’t get the company to do it they weee so busy, of course my one did not look like the professional one.
Hi my name is Todd. I like to plant trees way too close to my house. It looks good for seven years and then the next owner has to tear them out.
finally some good edging
Never even heard of the MudMixer Now I want one
Haha it’s pretty nifty
You use the word “basically” when it is not necessary, and it renders your sentence inaccurate. If you are doing something, you are doing it. If you are “basically” doing something, you are doing something akin to, but not quite, your stated objective. If you are “basically” doing X, you are NOT doing X. It’s a bad habit that can be overcome.
You don’t add rebar inside the newly poured concrete to reinforce the edging?
Great idea using oscillating tool
It definitely helps!
Good stuff man
Beautiful job. Do you have to treat the mulch for termites?
Why did it crack? Maybe you should have put rebars in it?
Rebar doesn't always prevent cracks. It just keeps the slab from separating. From my experience concrete cracks more often because it shrinks as it cures. That's why you need to install the control joints, it's expected to crack
@@h2thechizoit445 I see, you are using a fast curing concrete then. I am using a “normal” concrete I mix myself from cement, sand and gravel. I cures slower and didn’t crack ever. Thanks for explaining your case.
Good work
Thanks!
Wow Thank You for the ideas!!! We are trying to come up with landscape edgding plans for our house and I never thought of doing concrete and forms. We just watched your video and we have so many ideas now. 💡 😃
I appreciate it and Good Luck!
cut 9" cleats on top instead of 6" inside piece
That works too, but you would have to secure them each time.
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Excellent instructions!
Thanks!
no need for rebar?
A stick or two of rebar probably would not have hurt!
dig the tip on using the sawzall as a ghetto vibrator. I will use that tip
Hammer drill works too!