I don't think it's necessarily that he's "bad", just that there are better options. The chaingun is actually much slower and less effective at kills than the AWARD rifle with much less range, not to mention the spool-up and overheat, and he doesn't have the crowd-control and anti-vehicle utility of the thermal detonators. And recon droids just stink all-around. He's worse at offense than the default assault class, worse at team support than engineer. (A one-use slight damage reduction which you can just get for free from green bacta tanks, or the ability to poop out heals and ammo at will?)
@@MrOwl-lw3xc If you manage to get the upgraded versions of their base weapons, the Pilot will suddenly become WAY better than the Marine. The Marine's upgraded rifle is a burst weapon that doesn't do much more than the base rifle. But the Pilot's upgraded pistol becomes a two-shot machine that'll annihilate anything. Requires a lot of time to get it, but, once you've got it, you're unstoppable.
Clone Commanders are scary to take on if they are in a group of other clones. Headshot or no headshot, those chain guns are instant and can potshot someone trying to fall back to heal or chip away health between cover to make them either stay in cover or be mobile.
@@ledanoir1239did they nerf the clone commander because in the OG 05 version, his chaingun was way more powerful. I still play the OG version and the commander can wipe out like 5 droids before it over heats
Engineer is the uncontested best units in the game at a base level. -Very Powerful in close quarters -Can constantly heal themselves with Health and Ammo Resupplies -Can splice into vehicles (Which on Polis Massa as Droids is OP) -Is the only base unit that can repair Medical and Ammunition Droids which = more health and ammo resupply packs which makes the Engineer the most survivable unit in the game that isnt a Hero.
I don't care for the engineer, almost never use it, but I have to agree, absolutely the best class. In galactic conquest I only unlock heavy (My main) and engineer for those health and ammo drops. I feel like unlocking more classes just means I have less engineers overall, but I haven't tested that or anything so I don't know if that's a legit strat or not.
nothing in BF makes me happier than *me, in the heat of battle, struggling to survive* allied AI engineer: yo, take this hp and ammo shoutout to whoever coded the engineer's AI to be the chaddest AI in the game
The only thing that would make the Engineer more Op than he already is if we replaced the Detpacks with the Mines from the Heavy class and gave him the Precision Pistol
Preicison pistol instantly fixes their weaknesses, become a mini Jango fett just without the jetpack and bonus health. Time bombs take out internal systems much faster than Marines cause they do MAD damage. 3 time bombs takes out every support system except the shield Generator which needs an additional one, give a pilot one minute inside an enemy ship and you can easily have all the interior objectives cleared, which only becomes quicker and easier with multiple pilots boarding in a gunship class ship and working together: in *THAT* situation more like 15 seconds
It was even more fucked in the first game, where the Droidekas had stronger shields (could eat like 6 grenades, compared to BF2's 2 or 3) and they weren't even a special class, so you'd run into like 5-6 of them at a time.
@@fearlesswee5036 you know in a game that basically acts as a power fantasy when the player (me) goes out of his way to not even bother trying to kill droidekas especially in 1 lol; it’s just a time sink that has little gain.
Honestly it isnt *that much* better as a faction, but has plenty of variables: 1) Definetly the best Assault class out of the 4, infinite ammo tri shot, wrist rockets are generally good (not sure if better than TD but relatively equal) and a generally more accurate blaster it seems 2) Every other default unit is the exact same across the board outside of cosmetics 3) Magna Guard has Recon Droid (L ability), a pretty slow and as such inaccurate primary that can do some good damage: but low ammo. Radiation launcher is good but not always great to use particularly good against tanks and hold tight corridors. Poison is an ok ability that is not as good as you might think but can do some extra damage at the risk of dying *very quick* getting in range to use it especially on a bunch of units at once. Overal a strange unit 4) Droidekas are by far more powerful in the hands of the AI when they can spam them at the start of the match especially. They are balanced by having easily exploitable animations and being slow on its feet and turning speed but fast when its most vulnerable in its ball form. The Droideka is deceptively great, you will not take over a whole platoons worth of units with it; its blaster isnt accurate but can do a good amount of damage with spam, weak to explosives which you will be spammed with once the shield comes out. More of a pressure unit and a mobile controlled sentry gun than a truely great unit, many times as a droideka you *will* die either by overestimating the shield durability or mid animation
@@xvoidxhunter2129So with the droideka, its blaster actually has pinpoint accuracy. It may feel inaccurate though as the bolts do come out of the model’s blaster barrels and so will oftentimes hit your own cover if you’re not aiming carefully. That said, your pretty on point with most of the rest of what you said about it. The Droideka is best used as a sentry gun that can walk behind walls and cover to recharge its shields, and unless you’ve been cornered and your shield is about to fail, should never be in ball form while in combat. Personally I’ve always had the best luck with it in multiplayer on maps with long kill corridors and fields like Mygeeto, firing at enemies from its deceptively long range, and then backing off behind a wall to recharge my shields once it start getting low.
I find the marines are better for boarding as they can take on groups of enemies better as they’re gonna be respawning near quickly and constantly, basic pistol won’t cut it unless ur using the award pistol which makes every class the best lol
The trooper primary rifles vary per faction, the secondaries are the same (excluding super battle droid). On a scale of 1 to 3, with one being the worst; the guns vary on speed, damage and accuracy. Sp Dm Ac Droids 1 3 2 Clones 2 2 2 Rebels 2 1 3 Imp 3 3 1 Personally I like the storm trooper, and you need to use them like so. Run up to the enemy and shoot, they work well with the damage boost. If you need to shoot from range short control burst.
I agree, the Stormtrooper is a lot of fun to play as, and the spread isn't really that bad if you know what you're doing. I mean, the spread, besides gameplay reasons, is also canon. Not because Stormtroopers have bad aim (this has been refuted numerous times), but because the E-11 itself has horrible accuracy, and the longer one shoots it, the higher the spread. Even in Jedi Outcast\ Jedi Academy, if you shoot an E-11, the first blast will always go a bit off-centre.
That's crazy, I always thought the rebels had the best rifle, just on accuracy alone helped me shoot from behind my teammates but to each their own, and for the Cis I hated their infantry unit idk why but their slowness made them weak, and since they have the wrist rockets they are more likely to miss, while the clones just spam thermal grenades in choke points and take out a couple of cis infantry! Imo thermals are better than wrist rockets based on splash damage alone also wrist rockets travel in a straight line toward and never hit the ground so one just had to move to the left or right and the speed is a bit slow compared to a rifles bolt
@@georgeoldsterd8994 Ironically, the E-11 having bad accuracy makes no sense to A New Hope, as the Stormtroopers are aiming way too close to the escapees theyve been told not to kill.
Best weapon in the game is the award pistol, so every pistol wielding character can become really OP on offense. And that's also why I'd usually play the Heavy class since rockets and mines gave me a way to also destroy tanks while the pistol could handle infantry. Not to mention the Heavies having extra health. I do agree with the list mostly if award weapons aren't being factored in, though.
Yeah, with award weapons heavy is absolutely broken. That pistol SLAPS. Super accurate at any range, high rate of fire with good damage. But the guided rockets? Those are busted. Sit by an ammo droid with some cover and decimate anything that even thinks about coming at you. Also, dropping a mine in front of a moving tank and rolling away is such a badass move.
@@brudbrud9137Pretty good, based on my experiences of playing Kamino. When you’re on a sniper-heavy map you’ll oftentimes find them tunnel-visioned on your ally snipers.
The Clone Commander is the ultimate Anti-Jedi Class. In the Order 66 mission he is basically the instant win button. The Jedi can only block his shots for a couple of seconds before they run out of stamina an get absolutely shredded.
I 100% disagree with your position on Marine vs Pilot. Marines are way more useful. Way better gun and you have two explosives instead of just the time bombs
I had to shut off the video when he ranked marine worse than pilot, and then had the audacity to rank standard infantry so low when they are the bread and butter of BF2
@@noxcurebread and butter for the normies maybe. The engineer and heavy class are way more useful, mines one shot every ground vehicle in the game and can hold choke points. The engineer has his fusion cutter and ammo/health resupply, both way more versatile than standard infantry. The only thing the infantry class has going for it is its 4 thermal detonators and the elite rifle.
@@TheHipsterGamer You can clear maps better with the engineer, stealing vehicles or using your class ones. Repairing them after a bit with the fusion cutter and utilizing the shotgun up close. You can even heal yourself with the health and gain along with the amo drop
The reason why Stormtrooper’s feel as if the bloom/spread kicks in so fast is because of the E11’s fire rate being faster than the Clone’s DC15 or the Rebels A280. As far as I’m aware, the bloom kicks in at the same shot as all the other troopers’ primaries, so you can get more shots on target without having to move your aim as much
Engineers in multiplayer barrel rolling and one-shotting is so annoying. If you don’t kill them immediately they just healthpack themselves back to full health
The gameplay footage genuinely made me lose braincells, how many hours do you have at the game? Marine and Droideka are ranked awfuly and the gameplay shows that you don't utilise them as they are intended 5:55
When I was a kid every time I played as a clome commander I had no idea how to shoot his gun, but I tapped at all mouse buttons like a madman, trying to make it shoot.
The thing about the marine If you’re using them to blow up the ship from the inside then you’re using him wrong He has a DC-15A and a missile launcher, he’s meant for boarding and fighting trooper to trooper and blowing up small fighters attempting to either land or takeoff Not for sabotaging the capital ship He covers the pilots with the time bombs that actually do the heavy damage instead of actually doing the damage
The recon droids can be very effective weapons if you know how to use them right. They may have a weak gun, but if you press the secondary attack, the droid stops for a few seconds and self-destructs and the explosion can kill a lot of enemies. It also helps that it's small and can be deployed stealthily, but it can be spotted and shot down if you're not careful.
Sniper should be ranked higher since for open maps you can lock down an entire area or pick off enemies trying to capture your outposts. It’s also the safest, fastest way to rack up points quickly for hero unlock
Haven't played a ton of multiplayer, so idk how well classes do there, but here's some thoughts based on single player: 1) The precision pistol (award pistol) is the best weapon in the game by far. Easily the best generalist weapon, and functions as an equally viable alternative to most other weapons at their niche. It excels in fire rate, and damage, giving it very strong time to kill, and it's high accuracy, range, and projectile speed, combined with a scope allow it to retain it's spot in the top tier of weapons at any range. 2) For the standard troopers' blasters, fire rate and accuracy are inversely correlated. Republic and Rebels are at the midpoint, while the CIS fire slower but more accurately, and the Empire fires faster but with a higher bullet spread. Generally close quarters favors fire rate while longer range favors accuracy. IMO CIS has the worst standard trooper since they're the only ones without access to the precision pistol. I generally prefer fire rate over accuracy on blasters since if you just kill them before your shots get erratic the accuracy doesn't matter, but there are absolutely situations where the accuracy is more important. Wrist rockets are very strong in certain situations but I personally value the thermal detonator as they give you the ability to attack without having a line of sight if you can throw over an object, wrist rockets require the same line of sight as blasters and thus lack utility. It's also worth mentioning that the Rebels have the most starting ammo and the Republic has the least. 3) Heavies are probably the best class in the game. Their higher health than other pistol classes make them the best users of the best weapon in the game. The extra health is offset by slower movement speed, but most players value the health more. They also have access to launchers, which cover up the pistol's biggest weakness: vehicles. You can also do things like firing rockets at infantry and using your pistol to finish off survivors, which can help you get to gunslinger to unlock the precision pistol. Lastly they're quite strong against heroes (though the steam version has a bug where they AI never uses heroes so this has limited single player value). Best user of the best weapon + best at dealing with that weapon's weakness + best at obtaining that weapon + effective vs heroes gives them an extremely strong argument for best class in the game. I personally use the standard trooper with the pistol bc the slow movement speed bothers me, but I don't deny that heavies are better. 4) Beam rifle (award rifle) is outclassed by the standard sniper rifle. Once you get the War Hero damage boost, the standard sniper one-shots all units with standard health or less with any hit, head or body, and has 2 zoom options. The beam rifle does variable damage based on how long your beam was hitting your target, meaning it doesn't always one-shot, and it only has 1 zoom option. I wish I could disable the Marksman award so that I could aim for the head and switch back and forth between the sniper and pistol without losing my better sniper.
I remember as a kid thinking the clone commander had a broken gun and didn’t realize til a few years later you have to hold down the trigger for the chain gun to start firing
Gotta agree with marine. On paper it would be good, the problem is that AI never flies into your hangar, so AI Marines only see hangar combat when you fly a troop transport into one.
When I was a kid, I also thought the Clone Commander was the worst class in the game. But that was just because I never learned you had to hold down the fire button to rev up the chaingun before it'd start firing. I always just assumed the game was bugged and this guy's primary gun didn't work, or that it only worked in very specific instances that I wasn't aware of. Whenever I played him, I just walked around with the pistol.
I'm sorry but you don't really know the game, darky is the best, 2nd wookie, both destroyes every engi when someone knows how to use them, 3rd maybe engi/sniper depending on the playstyle (sniper bigger maps, engi smaller maps), 4th jet (on small and closed maps he may be better than engis/snipers and sniper is a good counter against him), 5th could be magna/officer and rest doesn't really matter, definitely bothan shouldn't be that high as he's very easy to be killed and noticed
I would actually place sniper at rank 1, and Engineer at rank 2. The sniper deals enough damage with their rifle that they two shot most units, one shot lower health units like fellow snipers and anyone with a jump pack, and are extremely accurate. It can take a little while to get used to playing without a reticle, but you can quickly swap between the pistol and sniper to get one, or just get a feel for where you're aiming on screen. I'd say dark trooper should also be higher on the list. The arc caster has a nice little stun effect, and you can instantly fire it again with a jump or roll. Its jump pack also lets you move in and out of combat with ease, and has the greatest amount of mobility of any class in the game. Find yourself far from the front-lines? You can get there almost instantly. Getting overwhelmed? Retreat, and move to a better position. Its like the TF2 Scout, you get to pick and choose your battles..
Something I always hated about Battlefront is how you couldn't customize your troops. So the coolest looking classes were stuck with lame weapons. Like the Heavy Trooper or the Commander.
@@codafettYeah, the PSP games basically get rid of the class system entirely. Instead, you get to customize your own class by choosing a body and a head/helmet and then choose your weapons and perks. They had a lot of really unique ideas too, like a vibrosword for a secondary weapon and a Carbonite freeze gun. Gameplay is a little different than the original 2 because it's tailored for the PSP but they're still fun. Kinda wish someone would bring some of the ideas from the PSP versions into classic Battlefront 2 with some mods.
The Bothan Spy I probably used a total of like 5 times in all my hours of play with BF2, lmao I swear the invisibility just does, not, work. Also I am not a huge fan of the Wookie warriors because while you can take quite a bit of punishment, in my experience, you're still just a bit too slow to avoid being worn down by eagle eyed enemies while trying to run between points of cover.
Idk why but I disagree with the Dark Trooper. He's my favorite class but my 1 gripe with BF2 (I owned both classic games as a kid for the PS2) has always been that they changed his weapon from a shotgun to that shock weapon. I remember as a kid I was so disheartened lol when I got BF2 after already owning BF1. I just really really dislike his shock weapon, even if it's really good. I hate having to charge it.
Recon droids aren't actually a terrible strategy if you can find a secure and secluded ammo droid which you can launch them from repeatedly. While not always successful, if you can successfully detonate on a crowded room, you clear the whole room out instantly, potentially swinging the momentum of the engagement and the battle at large (especially if you manage to clear a Command Post room). Rushing and shooting enemies with the recon droid's lasers is also a great way to actively pressure enemies at little to no personal risk, such as harrassing enemies attempting to take out your flag-bearers in CTF.
My favourite class usually tends to be infantry, I find it to be the most balanced of all the classes, not having any major strengths but not many major weaknesses eitehr
Nothing like running from one hangar to another on Polis Massa and capping the opposite command post to box in and flank the enemy using your Health/Ammo Dispenser as an Engineer/Smuggler.
Is there a good way to use the Bothan Spy? Because they always felt gimmicky to me. You turn invisible for a bit, get close, kill maybe 1 guy with one burst from your Flamer weapon before having to reload then get killed in the return fire because Bothans have less health than other classes. In a game where you have to fight hordes of enemies it isn’t that useful. It’s just like the Darktrooper except the Dark trooper is more mobile and its gun is way more versatile while the trooper has more health. I feel like you’re better off just using Engineers, you get det packs and the ammo and health upgrades. I never got the hype behind the Wookie Warrior. The Bowcaster is a pretty awkward weapon, and grenade launchers can be meh since I feel like they’re just more thermal detonators. The health boost is great until you realize he has slower walking and sprinting speeds. I definitely disagree with the Clone Commander. The core issue in Battlefront is that most of your enemies are infantry, vehicles are there but most units have a way of dealing with them. For this reason I tend to dislike the Jet Trooper, the EMP launcher is only good when enemies are bunched up, not so common in a lot of the maps with wide open fields, and even then it can’t keep up with the number of enemies. The Chaingun can. Lastly I think that Thermal Detonators >>>>> Wrist Rockets. Sure wrist rockets go off instantly, but they do less damage and have a smaller explosion. Thermal Detonators are great against vehicles and they are great at area denial, as well as detonating any enemy mines. They are good against everything in the game and level the playing field with the trooper class.
Try using the grenade launcher differently. Use the top of the reticle to aim in close range and don't charge it. It'll explode on impact if you just tap the fire button once. Game changer.
Something about the commander classes: I remember seeing a thing where the clone and imperial commanders can, for instance, order more NPC troops to follow them into the frontlines than other classes can. Sure, it might be more difficult to take out a squad by yourself, but the point is that YOU bring a squad as well, which you can use your buffs on to great effect.
Funny enough, as a kid I thought the Clone Commander was useless at first because I didn't realize that you had to hold down the trigger for the chain gun.
Dawg the marine is worlds better than the pilot. Marine is meant to be in the enemy’s hangar, so he’s got the best kit for surviving out there with an actual blaster rifle and grenades
Plus when it comes to repelling boarders in multiplayer you should accept no substitutes. A single missile will obliterate any interceptors or fighters trying to get in, with them always forgetting the missile has lock-on capabilities for some reason.
i think youre underrating a lot of the classes at the bottom clone commanders reduc buff is huge, probably the best buff in the game other than leias full invuln. the officers rage buff is also extremely useful and the sonic blaster can shred with headshots especially on retreating enemies. i think both are better than the droidekas on the pc/collection versions the marine is way more useful than the pilot for boarding because theres 32 enemy bots which makes it near impossible to get to the internal systems as a pilot without guardian and gunslinger the sniper is better than the super battle droid and maybe even the magnaguard, they have the fastest run speed in the game which is good for both horizontal movement and ramping on maps like mos eisley for vertical movement and if you use the pistol to line up shots they have the fastest ttk of any class the dark trooper and wookiee are probably better than the engineer, theyre genuinely broken in terms of single target elimination and have similar survivability to the engineer
Commanders have always been one of my favorite classes, mainly because they were always a little 'different' from the others classes. If you unlock the award pistol with the Commander Clone, it can be a beast on the offensive. But still useless against a veichle. Imperial commander is so strange with that sonic pistol, but it won’t be unique as well without it. Wookie/Magna Guard are my favorites: The first is a walking tank. The second, is so strange with his weapons and abilities, that is impossible to not feel “Elite”
I always liked the infantry of each faction. I always found them good for most situations and could "mow down" most enemies pretty quickly. The other classes always felt like a "situational" class for when I needed something to handle a vehicle or some other specific task I was struggling to do with the infantry.
I love your rank lists! Only thing about the Clone Commander is that he's amazing with the rage buff. But I agree that without the damage buff, the chaingun isn't that good.
It's possible to kill the heroes in the original by knocking them out of the map. Had lots of fun doing that on the Bespin map with the floating platforms.
Battlefront is one of those cool games where you can just hop on any class randomly and absolutely mop up a server if you know what you're doing. It's one of the things I like most about it. If I'm ever bored of playing a dark trooper and absolutely running everyone down, I can switch to a shit class and have a bit more challenge, while still feeling like I'm doing a great job. Such a good loop to get into
If you get the elite rifle, I fully believe the default troopers are the strongest class in the game. The elite rifle is crazy accurate, can one shot most classes in a single burst, and holds a lot of ammo. It's good up close and at long range. There is rarely a situation where I'd rather have a different weapon.
I remember working out that I could use the health and ammo packs on myself as an engineer and I could restock them at an ammunition droid. If the ammunition droid got destroyed, I could just repair it again. I felt like I'd broken the game by finding the secret weapon.
"Clone commander is not a bad class, but he is the worst class in battlefront 2" Umm..... Wtf does even mean my guy? How can you be the worst, but somehow not bad? That's what worst means! It's badder than bad it's the worst....I don't even disagree, I think the clone commander is one of the worst, but I'm so confused...😂
It took some getting used to but the Bothan Spy is amazing to play in multiplayer once you get a true understanding of the invisibility mechanics and the type of play style needed to excel with it
To actually rank those classes you need experience in this game to know what you are talking about and by watching it my eyes bleed. You do not know how to reset weapons cooldown or basic mechanics like throwing a detpack. Next time do some research before doing such video.
I love how You basically said that the spy is incredibly difficult to use, and also that the stormtrooper really isn't that great. Because usually when I manage to kill that one person who's on their massive killstreak with a hero class, it's with the bonthan spy. Then usually when I go on a streak that's 30 to 60 kills long, it's usually with just a regular ass stormtrooper.
For the marine aim with the bazooka in the middle of the green part and it takes 3 or 4 hits. Still pilot is better but there have been times where I had to use marine since there were to many enemies spawning there. I don't anymore ever since I got the 64 medals for gunslinger
I think the worst offense of marines is the fact that ships they fly don't passively heal the same way they do when pilots fly them, which makes ships flown by marines inherently more prone to being shot down, making them an active detriment to your team, especially in assault modes. Aside from being better at infantry combat with an actual rifle and throwable grenades, they're useless, and that is only ever relevant when you land transports in the enemy flagship for boarding parties.
Each infantry has a unique spread the stormtroopers can fire at a more rapid rate, and the other factions are more accurate. The scope zoom for the sniper is also different between factions.
counter point on the marines. you can stall most of the enemy pilots from leaving or you can rush down a core component and blow it up.. the engines you have to aim for the metal part and you have just enough to kill it. Sure the pistol can do the job aswell but like. If you are boarding a ship and have 5 droids trying to kill you, you dont have the time to kill a single droid and run out of heat on the 2nd
I think you have to get better at half of these classes, as you have a very clear preference for close quarters combat. The grenade launcher is pretty mid on open maps, the jet and dark troopers are glass cannons, and the engineer has almost no range until you get the award shotgun. The sonic blaster is decent once you get used to it, the rebel soldier is the one with the most accurate blaster rifle, and the clone commando has the best blaster pistol in game behind the award pistol.
my brother in christ, for detpacks you have to run, hold the button to throw it and look down and up to throw it further, not just up. good video anyways 👍
I know, I may be making excuses but I can't get controls working on PC before classic collection came out so that's why it looks a bit rough lol I tried to get used to it but it's completely fucked for me lol
Overall a pretty good list! The only spot where I disagree is the Commander Clone and Bothan Spy, I would swap their places. - The incinerator is only good at short range and you can't stop shooting it, so, once it runs out, you are going to die while reloading it 90% of the time since it doesn't has a secondary gun unlike the commander that has the pistol. -The time bombs it has are not very good for taking out enemies unless they are really really dumb or attach it to a vehicle.
Imperial Officer should be a lot higher. Being able to buff your teammates damage is powerful online. Same with Clone Commander being able to buff teammates defense stats. His weapon needs a downside because it has infinite ammo. Buff abilities are extremely OP. Ofherwise spot on list.
@brudbrud9137 His other weapon becomes great also while he is effected by the damage boost. But the ability to buff teammates damage is more important than the grenade launcher. That's buffing the damage of other characters like the Engineer or the Dark Trooper.
Assault class is definitely #1 for its ability to take out heroes and Marines should definitely be last for being a terrible idea to pick in a space battle
considering how many people i see in online MP using engineer i'd be inclined to agree that it is the meta to play engineer the shotgun does decent damage up to a decent range and people dodge roll all the time in mp so having a weapon with spread helps the detpack as you said can be used to take out heros and vehicles you can repair vehicles and heal yourself as an engineer. on the other hand though i'd argue the stormtrooper's rapid fire E-11 gives it advantage in close quarters maps over the other soldier classes and rewards a more agrressive playstyle
@@brudbrud9137 honestly feels like you're supposed to buff allies and provide support for their roles instead of directly acting as an individual unit with commander classes
I think you're sorta missing the point with the clone jet trooper. If you take a few moments ro unlock the gunslinger award pistol. The clone jet trooper becomes extremely well rounded if not sorta overpowered The combination of jet pack, emp launcher, precision pistol, and thermal detonators make them a mini Jango Fett
Clone commamder is good. When your chaingun kverheats, switch to pistol and don't care about it overheating because you can switch back to chaingun which will cool down by that time.
Assuming you mean in a general sense (and not against soley AI, which I assume not as you mention the assault class taking out heroes). Also assuming reward weapons are disabled because reward pistol is stupidly OP. Clone Commanders are not meant to be 1 man armies. I'll agree that their chain gun is pretty lackluster, but their power comes in the form of Rally to bolster a squad, reducing damage by about half. We both agree Marines are bottom tier, but they're meant to kill pilots and destroy fighters + hybrid ships before take off. They're not meant to destroy critical systems like a pilot can. Imp officers should rank much higher. While their sonic blaster is trash, their Rage lets snipers body shot (kill) anything below a heavy unit. It straight up counters Health Regen from their counterpart (Bothan Spy). Dark Troopers also benefit from this as they now one shot anything below a heavy, and the heavies they can finish up quickly with one or two pistol shots. Arguably the strongest officer class. Droidekas were never meant to push the front lines, simply because they're too slow and too clunky, therefore too easy to target. They're potent, but they're not vehicles. Don't assign them vehicle tasks. Think of them more like turrets. Bothan Spies are the most fragile unit on the battlefield and their entire kit revolves around a team boosting ability (which requires them to be seen with the rest of their team) or short range weaponry, relying on invisibility to close the distance. Great in theory, but in practice it's awful. Their gun takes a whole mag to kill most targets and has a reload speed on par with a rocket launcher. The range is short enough that it can often be rolled away from. Imperial Engineers, Officers, and Dark Troopers all possess stronger close range weaponry, with better armor, and usually with friends who will call you out if seen. Invisibility often stops working before even entering Incinerator range and doesn't work at all vs bots. Health Regen barely matters to anyone that isn't a Wookie and is not an answer to the Imperial Rage. Hell, it's not an answer to base damage numbers. Time Bombs are barely more useful than rocket launchers, while being infinitely more risky to use. Worst class in the game, by far. Magna Guards are my favorite, but the Bulldog is only useful for insanely narrow corridors (like Polis Massa) and against slow vehicles/turrets. Neurotoxin is great at shredding heroes, but often is just a martyrdom grenade that only sometimes works since Rally/Med droids/Engineers/Health drops will stop this from securing a kill
I feel the Imperial officer is the watered down version of the Imperial Pilot from Battlefront 1. Pilot also has a grenade launcher but the blaster pistol is a lot more useful, plus the fusion cutter and health and ammo make the class incredibly useful if you prefer to be anti infantry or like hopping in a vehicle. I'm going to have to disagree with you about the Dark Trooper, I have a lot better time with him in Battlefront 1 with the shotgun, it has quicker followup shots compared to the arc caster and since nobody can sprint in BF1, the jump pack is even more useful compared to 2. I also prefer the Marines over the pilots since the blaster rifles are a lot better starting off to take out infantry over the blaster pistol, but honestly you really can't go wrong with either of them.
Wow i have the same thing with the clone commander where as a kid I thought they so powerful and now not so much. Reminds me of fighting games where kids always think the worst characters are broken lol
Typically it goes like Character with on obviously quite high, simple parameter, that is severely overbalanced around. A kid sees the simple, good part, while not really seeing everything else going wrong to make it work. The Bowser theorem. Bowser is the strongest and the most extreme statline in most games, but that extreme quality extends to how low most of his other stats are, too. Speed, or acceleration in Mario Kart, and so on.
Destroying a vital ship point from the inside with a marine is WAY faster than destroying it from the outside with a pilot though. The Marine is arguably more valuable, because in a team game, one pilot flying a transport ship full of marines into the enemy's hangar is devastating. It's basically the end of the game if the enemy can't stop those boarders, so I'm guessing you haven't played too much multiplayer.
"Clone commander is the worst in the game"
*Footage of the commander melting groups of enemies*
"The pilot is stronger then the marine."
*footage of pilot dying to a turret*
I don't think it's necessarily that he's "bad", just that there are better options. The chaingun is actually much slower and less effective at kills than the AWARD rifle with much less range, not to mention the spool-up and overheat, and he doesn't have the crowd-control and anti-vehicle utility of the thermal detonators. And recon droids just stink all-around.
He's worse at offense than the default assault class, worse at team support than engineer. (A one-use slight damage reduction which you can just get for free from green bacta tanks, or the ability to poop out heals and ammo at will?)
@@MrOwl-lw3xc If you manage to get the upgraded versions of their base weapons, the Pilot will suddenly become WAY better than the Marine. The Marine's upgraded rifle is a burst weapon that doesn't do much more than the base rifle. But the Pilot's upgraded pistol becomes a two-shot machine that'll annihilate anything. Requires a lot of time to get it, but, once you've got it, you're unstoppable.
He wasn’t even aiming for heads, no shit you’re only killing 2 at a time…
Clone Commanders are scary to take on if they are in a group of other clones. Headshot or no headshot, those chain guns are instant and can potshot someone trying to fall back to heal or chip away health between cover to make them either stay in cover or be mobile.
I think it's important to mention that none of these classes are truly bad. They all have situational uses, and you can make any of them work
Exactly
Besides clone commander
@@ledanoir1239real
@@ledanoir1239did they nerf the clone commander because in the OG 05 version, his chaingun was way more powerful. I still play the OG version and the commander can wipe out like 5 droids before it over heats
Besides imperial officer
Engineer is the uncontested best units in the game at a base level.
-Very Powerful in close quarters
-Can constantly heal themselves with Health and Ammo Resupplies
-Can splice into vehicles (Which on Polis Massa as Droids is OP)
-Is the only base unit that can repair Medical and Ammunition Droids which = more health and ammo resupply packs which makes the Engineer the most survivable unit in the game that isnt a Hero.
I don't care for the engineer, almost never use it, but I have to agree, absolutely the best class. In galactic conquest I only unlock heavy (My main) and engineer for those health and ammo drops. I feel like unlocking more classes just means I have less engineers overall, but I haven't tested that or anything so I don't know if that's a legit strat or not.
@@synthemagician4686 Not to mention the Fusion cutter alone is one of the best equipment
@@xvoidxhunter2129 Facts. Getting a couple of the boys together to go steal all the enemy's tanks will never not be fun.
nothing in BF makes me happier than
*me, in the heat of battle, struggling to survive*
allied AI engineer: yo, take this hp and ammo
shoutout to whoever coded the engineer's AI to be the chaddest AI in the game
The only thing that would make the Engineer more Op than he already is if we replaced the Detpacks with the Mines from the Heavy class and gave him the Precision Pistol
"Makes the pilot overall better then the marine." Proceeds to get minced in the footage compared the the marine succeeding 😅😂
"just aim for the head if guys get in your way"
Tries to score headshots while being rushed by 30 pilots in the hanger
Preicison pistol instantly fixes their weaknesses, become a mini Jango fett just without the jetpack and bonus health.
Time bombs take out internal systems much faster than Marines cause they do MAD damage.
3 time bombs takes out every support system except the shield Generator which needs an additional one, give a pilot one minute inside an enemy ship and you can easily have all the interior objectives cleared, which only becomes quicker and easier with multiple pilots boarding in a gunship class ship and working together: in *THAT* situation more like 15 seconds
Fusion cutter isn’t useless. You can use it to repair your shields, engines, and life support. Or allied vehicles if they come in for a landing.
@@Lawrence_Talbot Did anyone say Fusion cutters were useless? Cause none of the comments above said it
@@xvoidxhunter2129 it was in the video when he went over the pilot saying why give them a fusion cutter if they have vehicle regeneration by default
It is honestly pretty fucked how much better the CIS are compared to everyone else in infantry, vehicles, and ships lmao.
It was even more fucked in the first game, where the Droidekas had stronger shields (could eat like 6 grenades, compared to BF2's 2 or 3) and they weren't even a special class, so you'd run into like 5-6 of them at a time.
@@fearlesswee5036 you know in a game that basically acts as a power fantasy when the player (me) goes out of his way to not even bother trying to kill droidekas especially in 1 lol; it’s just a time sink that has little gain.
the #1 reason palpatine rigged them to lose the Clone Wars lol
Honestly it isnt *that much* better as a faction, but has plenty of variables:
1) Definetly the best Assault class out of the 4, infinite ammo tri shot, wrist rockets are generally good (not sure if better than TD but relatively equal) and a generally more accurate blaster it seems
2) Every other default unit is the exact same across the board outside of cosmetics
3) Magna Guard has Recon Droid (L ability), a pretty slow and as such inaccurate primary that can do some good damage: but low ammo. Radiation launcher is good but not always great to use particularly good against tanks and hold tight corridors. Poison is an ok ability that is not as good as you might think but can do some extra damage at the risk of dying *very quick* getting in range to use it especially on a bunch of units at once. Overal a strange unit
4) Droidekas are by far more powerful in the hands of the AI when they can spam them at the start of the match especially. They are balanced by having easily exploitable animations and being slow on its feet and turning speed but fast when its most vulnerable in its ball form.
The Droideka is deceptively great, you will not take over a whole platoons worth of units with it; its blaster isnt accurate but can do a good amount of damage with spam, weak to explosives which you will be spammed with once the shield comes out.
More of a pressure unit and a mobile controlled sentry gun than a truely great unit, many times as a droideka you *will* die either by overestimating the shield durability or mid animation
@@xvoidxhunter2129So with the droideka, its blaster actually has pinpoint accuracy. It may feel inaccurate though as the bolts do come out of the model’s blaster barrels and so will oftentimes hit your own cover if you’re not aiming carefully.
That said, your pretty on point with most of the rest of what you said about it. The Droideka is best used as a sentry gun that can walk behind walls and cover to recharge its shields, and unless you’ve been cornered and your shield is about to fail, should never be in ball form while in combat. Personally I’ve always had the best luck with it in multiplayer on maps with long kill corridors and fields like Mygeeto, firing at enemies from its deceptively long range, and then backing off behind a wall to recharge my shields once it start getting low.
I cook hard with the commander. Bro did NOT deserve to be called the worst😔
I agree, if you can survive long enough to get the damage buff that chaingun is a real beast, I feel it's even better in Renegade Squadron.
I find the marines are better for boarding as they can take on groups of enemies better as they’re gonna be respawning near quickly and constantly, basic pistol won’t cut it unless ur using the award pistol which makes every class the best lol
Completely understandable I just prefer to haul ass if I see lots of enemies haha
Not to mention, I imagine you’re meant to go in as a squad, so probably a pilot flying the LAAT and a few marines to disembark and wreck face.
Another thing about the engineers is that if you die after placing a detpack and respawn as another engineer- you can still detonate it.
True
The commander is disgusting when you use him correctly, you can take out a mass of enemies in such little time with unlimited ammo
The trooper primary rifles vary per faction, the secondaries are the same (excluding super battle droid).
On a scale of 1 to 3, with one being the worst; the guns vary on speed, damage and accuracy.
Sp Dm Ac
Droids 1 3 2
Clones 2 2 2
Rebels 2 1 3
Imp 3 3 1
Personally I like the storm trooper, and you need to use them like so. Run up to the enemy and shoot, they work well with the damage boost. If you need to shoot from range short control burst.
Is there a place to find more info like this?
I agree, the Stormtrooper is a lot of fun to play as, and the spread isn't really that bad if you know what you're doing. I mean, the spread, besides gameplay reasons, is also canon. Not because Stormtroopers have bad aim (this has been refuted numerous times), but because the E-11 itself has horrible accuracy, and the longer one shoots it, the higher the spread. Even in Jedi Outcast\ Jedi Academy, if you shoot an E-11, the first blast will always go a bit off-centre.
That's crazy, I always thought the rebels had the best rifle, just on accuracy alone helped me shoot from behind my teammates but to each their own, and for the Cis I hated their infantry unit idk why but their slowness made them weak, and since they have the wrist rockets they are more likely to miss, while the clones just spam thermal grenades in choke points and take out a couple of cis infantry! Imo thermals are better than wrist rockets based on splash damage alone also wrist rockets travel in a straight line toward and never hit the ground so one just had to move to the left or right and the speed is a bit slow compared to a rifles bolt
@@georgeoldsterd8994 Ironically, the E-11 having bad accuracy makes no sense to A New Hope, as the Stormtroopers are aiming way too close to the escapees theyve been told not to kill.
Best weapon in the game is the award pistol, so every pistol wielding character can become really OP on offense. And that's also why I'd usually play the Heavy class since rockets and mines gave me a way to also destroy tanks while the pistol could handle infantry. Not to mention the Heavies having extra health.
I do agree with the list mostly if award weapons aren't being factored in, though.
No they are not
Yeah, with award weapons heavy is absolutely broken. That pistol SLAPS. Super accurate at any range, high rate of fire with good damage. But the guided rockets? Those are busted. Sit by an ammo droid with some cover and decimate anything that even thinks about coming at you. Also, dropping a mine in front of a moving tank and rolling away is such a badass move.
How do you keep your awards? I have been awarded the shotgun twice, after the game is over it’s gone
@@milli1550 you gotta get rank up high enough to elite I think the you keep it forever
@@brudbrud9137 ohhh ok thank you!
Talks about snipers, puts footage of an engineer first while talking about snipers.
What you didn't know shotguns snipe?
The Clone Commnander is fucking great in tight spaces, I can consistently wipe out 4-5 droids before overheating
No way this guy thinks that the sniper and assault classes are better than the standard infantry
Try playing against real people with standard infantry and tell me how that goes
He also rated bothan spy below wookie warrior and manga guard high..
Dude has never played vs actual people
@@brudbrud9137Pretty good, based on my experiences of playing Kamino. When you’re on a sniper-heavy map you’ll oftentimes find them tunnel-visioned on your ally snipers.
@@brudbrud9137 Well I do have vivid memories of enemies with those classes pathetically missing me as I slowly approached with my shotgun
@@DIsturbios1234Says someone who thinks that bothan is better than wookiee and Magna
The Clone Commander is the ultimate Anti-Jedi Class. In the Order 66 mission he is basically the instant win button. The Jedi can only block his shots for a couple of seconds before they run out of stamina an get absolutely shredded.
Shame that doesnt work in actual battles
I 100% disagree with your position on Marine vs Pilot. Marines are way more useful. Way better gun and you have two explosives instead of just the time bombs
I had to shut off the video when he ranked marine worse than pilot, and then had the audacity to rank standard infantry so low when they are the bread and butter of BF2
Lots of hot takes for sure
Without the Auto-repair Award, maybe, but the Award pretty much makes the Pilots useless
@@noxcurebread and butter for the normies maybe. The engineer and heavy class are way more useful, mines one shot every ground vehicle in the game and can hold choke points. The engineer has his fusion cutter and ammo/health resupply, both way more versatile than standard infantry. The only thing the infantry class has going for it is its 4 thermal detonators and the elite rifle.
@@TheHipsterGamer You can clear maps better with the engineer, stealing vehicles or using your class ones. Repairing them after a bit with the fusion cutter and utilizing the shotgun up close. You can even heal yourself with the health and gain along with the amo drop
The reason why Stormtrooper’s feel as if the bloom/spread kicks in so fast is because of the E11’s fire rate being faster than the Clone’s DC15 or the Rebels A280. As far as I’m aware, the bloom kicks in at the same shot as all the other troopers’ primaries, so you can get more shots on target without having to move your aim as much
Engineers in multiplayer barrel rolling and one-shotting is so annoying. If you don’t kill them immediately they just healthpack themselves back to full health
That's probably me.
-Rey
even back in the PS2 online days, the only classes anyone ever used were engineers or rockets.
The gameplay footage genuinely made me lose braincells, how many hours do you have at the game?
Marine and Droideka are ranked awfuly and the gameplay shows that you don't utilise them as they are intended 5:55
When I was a kid every time I played as a clome commander I had no idea how to shoot his gun, but I tapped at all mouse buttons like a madman, trying to make it shoot.
The thing about the marine
If you’re using them to blow up the ship from the inside then you’re using him wrong
He has a DC-15A and a missile launcher, he’s meant for boarding and fighting trooper to trooper and blowing up small fighters attempting to either land or takeoff
Not for sabotaging the capital ship
He covers the pilots with the time bombs that actually do the heavy damage instead of actually doing the damage
The recon droids can be very effective weapons if you know how to use them right. They may have a weak gun, but if you press the secondary attack, the droid stops for a few seconds and self-destructs and the explosion can kill a lot of enemies. It also helps that it's small and can be deployed stealthily, but it can be spotted and shot down if you're not careful.
Hot take but the stormtrooper is the best class in the game
Damn that is a hot take
100% by far the best infantry in the game.
Not a hot take, it's just fact.
@@georgeoldsterd8994 Stromtrooper is one of the worst
@@ralfseemann167 cope
Finally. A RUclipsr doing videos like this for OG battlefronts. Great job
Thanks I do both of the og games I have lots to say on yhem both
Sniper should be ranked higher since for open maps you can lock down an entire area or pick off enemies trying to capture your outposts. It’s also the safest, fastest way to rack up points quickly for hero unlock
Haven't played a ton of multiplayer, so idk how well classes do there, but here's some thoughts based on single player:
1) The precision pistol (award pistol) is the best weapon in the game by far. Easily the best generalist weapon, and functions as an equally viable alternative to most other weapons at their niche. It excels in fire rate, and damage, giving it very strong time to kill, and it's high accuracy, range, and projectile speed, combined with a scope allow it to retain it's spot in the top tier of weapons at any range.
2) For the standard troopers' blasters, fire rate and accuracy are inversely correlated. Republic and Rebels are at the midpoint, while the CIS fire slower but more accurately, and the Empire fires faster but with a higher bullet spread. Generally close quarters favors fire rate while longer range favors accuracy. IMO CIS has the worst standard trooper since they're the only ones without access to the precision pistol. I generally prefer fire rate over accuracy on blasters since if you just kill them before your shots get erratic the accuracy doesn't matter, but there are absolutely situations where the accuracy is more important. Wrist rockets are very strong in certain situations but I personally value the thermal detonator as they give you the ability to attack without having a line of sight if you can throw over an object, wrist rockets require the same line of sight as blasters and thus lack utility. It's also worth mentioning that the Rebels have the most starting ammo and the Republic has the least.
3) Heavies are probably the best class in the game. Their higher health than other pistol classes make them the best users of the best weapon in the game. The extra health is offset by slower movement speed, but most players value the health more. They also have access to launchers, which cover up the pistol's biggest weakness: vehicles. You can also do things like firing rockets at infantry and using your pistol to finish off survivors, which can help you get to gunslinger to unlock the precision pistol. Lastly they're quite strong against heroes (though the steam version has a bug where they AI never uses heroes so this has limited single player value). Best user of the best weapon + best at dealing with that weapon's weakness + best at obtaining that weapon + effective vs heroes gives them an extremely strong argument for best class in the game. I personally use the standard trooper with the pistol bc the slow movement speed bothers me, but I don't deny that heavies are better.
4) Beam rifle (award rifle) is outclassed by the standard sniper rifle. Once you get the War Hero damage boost, the standard sniper one-shots all units with standard health or less with any hit, head or body, and has 2 zoom options. The beam rifle does variable damage based on how long your beam was hitting your target, meaning it doesn't always one-shot, and it only has 1 zoom option. I wish I could disable the Marksman award so that I could aim for the head and switch back and forth between the sniper and pistol without losing my better sniper.
I remember as a kid thinking the clone commander had a broken gun and didn’t realize til a few years later you have to hold down the trigger for the chain gun to start firing
Gotta agree with marine. On paper it would be good, the problem is that AI never flies into your hangar, so AI Marines only see hangar combat when you fly a troop transport into one.
When I was a kid, I also thought the Clone Commander was the worst class in the game. But that was just because I never learned you had to hold down the fire button to rev up the chaingun before it'd start firing. I always just assumed the game was bugged and this guy's primary gun didn't work, or that it only worked in very specific instances that I wasn't aware of. Whenever I played him, I just walked around with the pistol.
I just made a comment saying the same thing. xD
I figured it out on my own eventually, but still, that's what I thought for a while.
I have to say, the recon droid is not horrendous, its self destruct function is absolutely OP in multiplayer
I'm sorry but you don't really know the game, darky is the best, 2nd wookie, both destroyes every engi when someone knows how to use them, 3rd maybe engi/sniper depending on the playstyle (sniper bigger maps, engi smaller maps), 4th jet (on small and closed maps he may be better than engis/snipers and sniper is a good counter against him), 5th could be magna/officer and rest doesn't really matter, definitely bothan shouldn't be that high as he's very easy to be killed and noticed
This guy is the only person in the comments who is actually good at the game
I would actually place sniper at rank 1, and Engineer at rank 2. The sniper deals enough damage with their rifle that they two shot most units, one shot lower health units like fellow snipers and anyone with a jump pack, and are extremely accurate. It can take a little while to get used to playing without a reticle, but you can quickly swap between the pistol and sniper to get one, or just get a feel for where you're aiming on screen.
I'd say dark trooper should also be higher on the list. The arc caster has a nice little stun effect, and you can instantly fire it again with a jump or roll. Its jump pack also lets you move in and out of combat with ease, and has the greatest amount of mobility of any class in the game. Find yourself far from the front-lines? You can get there almost instantly. Getting overwhelmed? Retreat, and move to a better position. Its like the TF2 Scout, you get to pick and choose your battles..
Something I always hated about Battlefront is how you couldn't customize your troops. So the coolest looking classes were stuck with lame weapons. Like the Heavy Trooper or the Commander.
You would really like the psp games then
@@brudbrud9137 I bet lol. They always sounded so cool in the magazines.
@@codafettYeah, the PSP games basically get rid of the class system entirely. Instead, you get to customize your own class by choosing a body and a head/helmet and then choose your weapons and perks. They had a lot of really unique ideas too, like a vibrosword for a secondary weapon and a Carbonite freeze gun. Gameplay is a little different than the original 2 because it's tailored for the PSP but they're still fun. Kinda wish someone would bring some of the ideas from the PSP versions into classic Battlefront 2 with some mods.
The Bothan Spy I probably used a total of like 5 times in all my hours of play with BF2, lmao I swear the invisibility just does, not, work. Also I am not a huge fan of the Wookie warriors because while you can take quite a bit of punishment, in my experience, you're still just a bit too slow to avoid being worn down by eagle eyed enemies while trying to run between points of cover.
Idk why but I disagree with the Dark Trooper. He's my favorite class but my 1 gripe with BF2 (I owned both classic games as a kid for the PS2) has always been that they changed his weapon from a shotgun to that shock weapon. I remember as a kid I was so disheartened lol when I got BF2 after already owning BF1. I just really really dislike his shock weapon, even if it's really good. I hate having to charge it.
I agree. It would’ve been better to give the arc caster to the Imp officer and give the dark trooper something more similar to the blast cannon
Jump pack into shotgun was OP in 1
@@TyTheNerfGuy Maaan, but it was so fun!
@@4477superman Agreed!
Nah Imp Officer or Magnaguard is way worse than the Clone Commander
Recon droids aren't actually a terrible strategy if you can find a secure and secluded ammo droid which you can launch them from repeatedly. While not always successful, if you can successfully detonate on a crowded room, you clear the whole room out instantly, potentially swinging the momentum of the engagement and the battle at large (especially if you manage to clear a Command Post room). Rushing and shooting enemies with the recon droid's lasers is also a great way to actively pressure enemies at little to no personal risk, such as harrassing enemies attempting to take out your flag-bearers in CTF.
When I use the Clone Commander, I usually swap to the side arm when it overheats, then swap back. It cools it down quicker.
Is mowing down enemies like it's nothing -> clone commander is definitely the worst
My favourite class usually tends to be infantry, I find it to be the most balanced of all the classes, not having any major strengths but not many major weaknesses eitehr
Nothing like running from one hangar to another on Polis Massa and capping the opposite command post to box in and flank the enemy using your Health/Ammo Dispenser as an Engineer/Smuggler.
Is there a good way to use the Bothan Spy? Because they always felt gimmicky to me. You turn invisible for a bit, get close, kill maybe 1 guy with one burst from your Flamer weapon before having to reload then get killed in the return fire because Bothans have less health than other classes. In a game where you have to fight hordes of enemies it isn’t that useful. It’s just like the Darktrooper except the Dark trooper is more mobile and its gun is way more versatile while the trooper has more health. I feel like you’re better off just using Engineers, you get det packs and the ammo and health upgrades.
I never got the hype behind the Wookie Warrior. The Bowcaster is a pretty awkward weapon, and grenade launchers can be meh since I feel like they’re just more thermal detonators. The health boost is great until you realize he has slower walking and sprinting speeds.
I definitely disagree with the Clone Commander. The core issue in Battlefront is that most of your enemies are infantry, vehicles are there but most units have a way of dealing with them. For this reason I tend to dislike the Jet Trooper, the EMP launcher is only good when enemies are bunched up, not so common in a lot of the maps with wide open fields, and even then it can’t keep up with the number of enemies. The Chaingun can.
Lastly I think that Thermal Detonators >>>>> Wrist Rockets. Sure wrist rockets go off instantly, but they do less damage and have a smaller explosion. Thermal Detonators are great against vehicles and they are great at area denial, as well as detonating any enemy mines. They are good against everything in the game and level the playing field with the trooper class.
Try using the grenade launcher differently. Use the top of the reticle to aim in close range and don't charge it. It'll explode on impact if you just tap the fire button once. Game changer.
Something about the commander classes: I remember seeing a thing where the clone and imperial commanders can, for instance, order more NPC troops to follow them into the frontlines than other classes can.
Sure, it might be more difficult to take out a squad by yourself, but the point is that YOU bring a squad as well, which you can use your buffs on to great effect.
Funny enough, as a kid I thought the Clone Commander was useless at first because I didn't realize that you had to hold down the trigger for the chain gun.
Brother do you want to talk about 7:24?
@@Buzzy_Bland hey I got him didn't I? 😉
Dawg the marine is worlds better than the pilot. Marine is meant to be in the enemy’s hangar, so he’s got the best kit for surviving out there with an actual blaster rifle and grenades
Plus when it comes to repelling boarders in multiplayer you should accept no substitutes. A single missile will obliterate any interceptors or fighters trying to get in, with them always forgetting the missile has lock-on capabilities for some reason.
The marine is good for combat in the enemy's hanger, but for sabotage and flying spaceships the pilot is better
That was an insanely funny first clip you chose for the Droideka
@@BrandonConrady lol thanks glad people are noticing the clips I used finally
I seeth with anger at the bothans, they are the bane of my existence.
Dealing with them for the first time made me really l9ve the ROTJ quote, "Many Bothans died."
@@shahnxaoc7749 F@#k bothans, all my homies hate bothans
They're the reason why I play as the rebels on ground missions for galactic civil war....
When you're the last man standing, the engineer is who you wanna go to
i think youre underrating a lot of the classes at the bottom
clone commanders reduc buff is huge, probably the best buff in the game other than leias full invuln. the officers rage buff is also extremely useful and the sonic blaster can shred with headshots especially on retreating enemies. i think both are better than the droidekas
on the pc/collection versions the marine is way more useful than the pilot for boarding because theres 32 enemy bots which makes it near impossible to get to the internal systems as a pilot without guardian and gunslinger
the sniper is better than the super battle droid and maybe even the magnaguard, they have the fastest run speed in the game which is good for both horizontal movement and ramping on maps like mos eisley for vertical movement and if you use the pistol to line up shots they have the fastest ttk of any class
the dark trooper and wookiee are probably better than the engineer, theyre genuinely broken in terms of single target elimination and have similar survivability to the engineer
This guy must've been smoking deathsticks while making this video.
Clone commander is actualy really good and has good strength, you just have to know how to use him
Commanders have always been one of my favorite classes, mainly because they were always a little 'different' from the others classes.
If you unlock the award pistol with the Commander Clone, it can be a beast on the offensive. But still useless against a veichle.
Imperial commander is so strange with that sonic pistol, but it won’t be unique as well without it.
Wookie/Magna Guard are my favorites: The first is a walking tank. The second, is so strange with his weapons and abilities, that is impossible to not feel “Elite”
Awesome video
I always liked the infantry of each faction. I always found them good for most situations and could "mow down" most enemies pretty quickly. The other classes always felt like a "situational" class for when I needed something to handle a vehicle or some other specific task I was struggling to do with the infantry.
I love your rank lists! Only thing about the Clone Commander is that he's amazing with the rage buff. But I agree that without the damage buff, the chaingun isn't that good.
Like I said he isn't bad he's just outclassed is all
@@brudbrud9137 Yeah that's fair!
It's possible to kill the heroes in the original by knocking them out of the map. Had lots of fun doing that on the Bespin map with the floating platforms.
Battlefront is one of those cool games where you can just hop on any class randomly and absolutely mop up a server if you know what you're doing. It's one of the things I like most about it. If I'm ever bored of playing a dark trooper and absolutely running everyone down, I can switch to a shit class and have a bit more challenge, while still feeling like I'm doing a great job. Such a good loop to get into
Clone Commander going below the Imperial Officer is criminal.
Recon droids are actually decent in multiplayer, you're able to sneak up on people and then kill them before they know what's happening.
I never really thought to use them in mp tbh
The rocket launcher of the Magna guard can also lock onto your targets if you have them, well, targeted.
2:46 that bothan spy jumpscare
If you get the elite rifle, I fully believe the default troopers are the strongest class in the game. The elite rifle is crazy accurate, can one shot most classes in a single burst, and holds a lot of ammo. It's good up close and at long range. There is rarely a situation where I'd rather have a different weapon.
If i remember correctly, the engineer class is immune to mines and can quickly dispose of them with his fusion cutter.
Neat never heard of that
I remember working out that I could use the health and ammo packs on myself as an engineer and I could restock them at an ammunition droid. If the ammunition droid got destroyed, I could just repair it again.
I felt like I'd broken the game by finding the secret weapon.
"Clone commander is not a bad class, but he is the worst class in battlefront 2"
Umm..... Wtf does even mean my guy? How can you be the worst, but somehow not bad? That's what worst means! It's badder than bad it's the worst....I don't even disagree, I think the clone commander is one of the worst, but I'm so confused...😂
Droideka is OP. Moves quickly and guns down enemies quickly with shields to protect them.
It took some getting used to but the Bothan Spy is amazing to play in multiplayer once you get a true understanding of the invisibility mechanics and the type of play style needed to excel with it
Marines are for spawn camping inside the hangar during more competitive multiplayer matches.
To actually rank those classes you need experience in this game to know what you are talking about and by watching it my eyes bleed. You do not know how to reset weapons cooldown or basic mechanics like throwing a detpack. Next time do some research before doing such video.
Yeah I've just been playing it since 2005 I don't know nothing I'll ask you next time I make a bf2 video since your the goat
After the first two I'm convinced you put together this order using a random number generator 😂
I love how You basically said that the spy is incredibly difficult to use, and also that the stormtrooper really isn't that great. Because usually when I manage to kill that one person who's on their massive killstreak with a hero class, it's with the bonthan spy. Then usually when I go on a streak that's 30 to 60 kills long, it's usually with just a regular ass stormtrooper.
No class is truly bad in this game just in comparison to others some are bad but if you are good enough you can make do with any class
For the marine aim with the bazooka in the middle of the green part and it takes 3 or 4 hits. Still pilot is better but there have been times where I had to use marine since there were to many enemies spawning there. I don't anymore ever since I got the 64 medals for gunslinger
The engineer is solid, but if you get the precision pistol the vanguard class becomes damn near unbeatable
I think the worst offense of marines is the fact that ships they fly don't passively heal the same way they do when pilots fly them, which makes ships flown by marines inherently more prone to being shot down, making them an active detriment to your team, especially in assault modes. Aside from being better at infantry combat with an actual rifle and throwable grenades, they're useless, and that is only ever relevant when you land transports in the enemy flagship for boarding parties.
Each infantry has a unique spread the stormtroopers can fire at a more rapid rate, and the other factions are more accurate. The scope zoom for the sniper is also different between factions.
@@prometheusodin5461 that's only in bf1 for the snipers no?
@@brudbrud9137 you're right my bad
Wookies have guided missiles which works amazing in open maps
Always thought it was unfair CIS infantry fire has no spread. Then the stormtrooper has spread frame one. Sometimes unplayable as Empire.
counter point on the marines. you can stall most of the enemy pilots from leaving or you can rush down a core component and blow it up.. the engines you have to aim for the metal part and you have just enough to kill it. Sure the pistol can do the job aswell but like. If you are boarding a ship and have 5 droids trying to kill you, you dont have the time to kill a single droid and run out of heat on the 2nd
I think the Commander is really good for killing Jedi in the Order 66 levels.
I agree with this list with the sole exception of the Droidika
Droidikas are ABSOLUTELY A tier, esp on maps like Mustafar
@@spikethelizard2770 understandable
Good Video!
I think you have to get better at half of these classes, as you have a very clear preference for close quarters combat. The grenade launcher is pretty mid on open maps, the jet and dark troopers are glass cannons, and the engineer has almost no range until you get the award shotgun. The sonic blaster is decent once you get used to it, the rebel soldier is the one with the most accurate blaster rifle, and the clone commando has the best blaster pistol in game behind the award pistol.
my brother in christ, for detpacks you have to run, hold the button to throw it and look down and up to throw it further, not just up.
good video anyways 👍
I know, I may be making excuses but I can't get controls working on PC before classic collection came out so that's why it looks a bit rough lol I tried to get used to it but it's completely fucked for me lol
@@brudbrud9137 oooh, didn't know, i forgot about the input delay and shit controls ppl mention about classic collection, mb fam
@@sgshane lol it's all good
Overall a pretty good list!
The only spot where I disagree is the Commander Clone and Bothan Spy, I would swap their places.
- The incinerator is only good at short range and you can't stop shooting it, so, once it runs out, you are going to die while reloading it 90% of the time since it doesn't has a secondary gun unlike the commander that has the pistol.
-The time bombs it has are not very good for taking out enemies unless they are really really dumb or attach it to a vehicle.
Imperial Officer should be a lot higher. Being able to buff your teammates damage is powerful online.
Same with Clone Commander being able to buff teammates defense stats. His weapon needs a downside because it has infinite ammo.
Buff abilities are extremely OP.
Ofherwise spot on list.
@@nybethobdilord6912 I agree the officer is one of the best classes in the game the grenade launcher alone makes him amazing
@brudbrud9137 His other weapon becomes great also while he is effected by the damage boost.
But the ability to buff teammates damage is more important than the grenade launcher. That's buffing the damage of other characters like the Engineer or the Dark Trooper.
fun fact on polis massa if you play as the cis you can walk outside without taking damage
@@lordwilfried117 woah thanks!
Assault class is definitely #1 for its ability to take out heroes and Marines should definitely be last for being a terrible idea to pick in a space battle
playing as the droids is honestly the worst
I used to think that as a kid now I don't mind em
Not on Polis Massa
considering how many people i see in online MP using engineer i'd be inclined to agree that it is the meta to play engineer
the shotgun does decent damage up to a decent range and people dodge roll all the time in mp so having a weapon with spread helps
the detpack as you said can be used to take out heros and vehicles
you can repair vehicles and heal yourself as an engineer.
on the other hand though i'd argue the stormtrooper's rapid fire E-11 gives it advantage in close quarters maps over the other soldier classes and rewards a more agrressive playstyle
Exactly try using a clone commander online and tell me how that goes
@@brudbrud9137 honestly feels like you're supposed to buff allies and provide support for their roles instead of directly acting as an individual unit with commander classes
I think you're sorta missing the point with the clone jet trooper. If you take a few moments ro unlock the gunslinger award pistol. The clone jet trooper becomes extremely well rounded if not sorta overpowered
The combination of jet pack, emp launcher, precision pistol, and thermal detonators make them a mini Jango Fett
The marine is for farming ships and droids in the enemy hanger that's there niche use
"the clone commander is not bad, it's just the worst class"
Clone commamder is good.
When your chaingun kverheats, switch to pistol and don't care about it overheating because you can switch back to chaingun which will cool down by that time.
Assuming you mean in a general sense (and not against soley AI, which I assume not as you mention the assault class taking out heroes). Also assuming reward weapons are disabled because reward pistol is stupidly OP.
Clone Commanders are not meant to be 1 man armies. I'll agree that their chain gun is pretty lackluster, but their power comes in the form of Rally to bolster a squad, reducing damage by about half.
We both agree Marines are bottom tier, but they're meant to kill pilots and destroy fighters + hybrid ships before take off. They're not meant to destroy critical systems like a pilot can.
Imp officers should rank much higher. While their sonic blaster is trash, their Rage lets snipers body shot (kill) anything below a heavy unit. It straight up counters Health Regen from their counterpart (Bothan Spy). Dark Troopers also benefit from this as they now one shot anything below a heavy, and the heavies they can finish up quickly with one or two pistol shots. Arguably the strongest officer class.
Droidekas were never meant to push the front lines, simply because they're too slow and too clunky, therefore too easy to target. They're potent, but they're not vehicles. Don't assign them vehicle tasks. Think of them more like turrets.
Bothan Spies are the most fragile unit on the battlefield and their entire kit revolves around a team boosting ability (which requires them to be seen with the rest of their team) or short range weaponry, relying on invisibility to close the distance. Great in theory, but in practice it's awful. Their gun takes a whole mag to kill most targets and has a reload speed on par with a rocket launcher. The range is short enough that it can often be rolled away from. Imperial Engineers, Officers, and Dark Troopers all possess stronger close range weaponry, with better armor, and usually with friends who will call you out if seen. Invisibility often stops working before even entering Incinerator range and doesn't work at all vs bots. Health Regen barely matters to anyone that isn't a Wookie and is not an answer to the Imperial Rage. Hell, it's not an answer to base damage numbers. Time Bombs are barely more useful than rocket launchers, while being infinitely more risky to use. Worst class in the game, by far.
Magna Guards are my favorite, but the Bulldog is only useful for insanely narrow corridors (like Polis Massa) and against slow vehicles/turrets. Neurotoxin is great at shredding heroes, but often is just a martyrdom grenade that only sometimes works since Rally/Med droids/Engineers/Health drops will stop this from securing a kill
I feel the Imperial officer is the watered down version of the Imperial Pilot from Battlefront 1.
Pilot also has a grenade launcher but the blaster pistol is a lot more useful, plus the fusion cutter and health and ammo make the class incredibly useful if you prefer to be anti infantry or like hopping in a vehicle.
I'm going to have to disagree with you about the Dark Trooper, I have a lot better time with him in Battlefront 1 with the shotgun, it has quicker followup shots compared to the arc caster and since nobody can sprint in BF1, the jump pack is even more useful compared to 2.
I also prefer the Marines over the pilots since the blaster rifles are a lot better starting off to take out infantry over the blaster pistol, but honestly you really can't go wrong with either of them.
The clone commando is probably one of the best so wtf you smoking?
Yeah I agree republic commands is a great game they should have added commandos to this game
Wow i have the same thing with the clone commander where as a kid I thought they so powerful and now not so much. Reminds me of fighting games where kids always think the worst characters are broken lol
Typically it goes like
Character with on obviously quite high, simple parameter, that is severely overbalanced around.
A kid sees the simple, good part, while not really seeing everything else going wrong to make it work.
The Bowser theorem. Bowser is the strongest and the most extreme statline in most games, but that extreme quality extends to how low most of his other stats are, too. Speed, or acceleration in Mario Kart, and so on.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Interesting, did you coin that?
@@playstationarusu
Uh.
Maybe?
I don't know for sure if the term does or doesn't already exist, at least, but I don't think I've ever heard it before.
Destroying a vital ship point from the inside with a marine is WAY faster than destroying it from the outside with a pilot though. The Marine is arguably more valuable, because in a team game, one pilot flying a transport ship full of marines into the enemy's hangar is devastating. It's basically the end of the game if the enemy can't stop those boarders, so I'm guessing you haven't played too much multiplayer.
The engineer class is especially useful during the battle of kashyyyk.