Previewing comment : Me as an Australian "I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they did" . Was listening to ABC Radio and a Koori woman and she was talking about racism here and I'm paraphrasing here "Australia isn't particularly racist , of course racism and racists exist . But Australians are beyond racism they don't need white sheets , pointy hats and silly titles ......... They have complete indifference to the plight of the colonised" as a White Australian whose ancestors go back to the second boat load I couldn't agree more . My country is a disgrace
As an Australian myself, I can say that indifference absolutely exists, and I think it's due to a number of factors. 1. Because the old-fashioned outright explicit racism has been distinctly minimized over time, people tend to think that racism in Australia has been fixed, and since they have that old form of racism in their head as the definition of racism, they don't acknowledge other forms of racism which are still endemic. 2. Far fewer people in Australia feel related to the original colonizers, and thus feel separated from their misdeeds. When I was in primary school students would take delight in searching the First Fleet database to see if their ancestors were on it, either as colonizers or convicts. As a second generation migrant to Australia myself, I knew none of my ancestors were there. Over time it became distinctly less laudatory to be related to the colonizers. Additionally a far greater percentage of the population are first, second, or third generation migrants, who feel no personal connection with, or responsibility for, the original colonizers. Many of them consequently see the plight of the Aboriginal people as someone else's problem. It also can't be avoided that some of them bring their own racist attitudes and think that since their migrant ancestors uplifted themselves to wealth after arriving in Australia then the Aboriginal people can also. 3. Casual racism is not taken very seriously in Australia.
@@veritasetcaritas It's something I think that bears repeating: settler colonial societies are pretty much similar to each other. The truth is, Australia; New Zealand; and Canada aren't that far removed in terms of overall historical trajectory from the United States. Even the usual flexes they do over the United States (more generous social welfare and national health care) are implicated in the perpetuation of racism and settler colonialism in these supposedly more "enlightened" states. After all, those of a darker hue were at best got inferior care, excluded from benefitting, or worse yet were directly harmed by these "health" and "welfare" services. What's more, these three other countries were just as brutal as the US...and even, at times, a sight worse. Australians didn't even bother with the formality of treaties and the like; they just saw the land they wanted and took it, slaughtering any aboriginal tribe that had an opinion to the contrary. And as for not taking things seriously: recalled that show "Dumb, Drunk, and Racist". As if any of these things were a question about Australia. Of course it's dumb, drunk, and racist. And honestly, culturally, Australia and the US aren't that different. The US is what Australia would be with looser gun laws.
@@tristanband4003 I think if you look at the history of all of these nations, especially New Zealand and Australia, it's a bit more complex than just "Powerful white men entered, slaughtered all the feeble black people, took all their land, and then unsuccessfully tried to genocide the rest". The indigenous people weren't just pathetic carpets who were walked all over without any agency. There were treaties and agreements which did work. There were military alliances the Maori in particular used to exploit settler military power against their Maori rivals. In Australia there were treaties which were even honored. There were settlers who defended Aboriginal people, even church leaders and politicians who warned that settler actions and policies would lead to genocide, and tried to stop them. In Australia in particular, over the extent of the huge land mass, a wide range of different policies were enacted, with very varying results.
@@veritasetcaritas I never said indigenous people were pathetic carpets. Only that settlers were unscrupulous, ruthless, and armed with deadly weapons and diseases. To give too much undue attention to countervailing tendencies is to obscure the essential social relations at play.
When I was a child we still didn't even have a standard childhood vaccination regime for measles. In fact the measles vaccine itself only became available in Australia a few years before I was born.
@@GigasGMX the measles vaccine became available in Australia in 1968, but there wasn't a standard child vaccination regime until later. The standard measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine wasn't introduced until 1989. I was born in 1973, and caught measles, mumps, and chickenpox as a child, which was common for the time.
Thank you! This was a difficult one to research, since there have been so many theories and the debate has continued for over a century, with numerous arguments and lines of evidence being appealed to, but I think that despite the lack of a smoking gun the outbreak had to be caused by the European settlers one way or another. There's just no firm evidence as to who was personally responsible.
Windschuttle is good at making mileage out of the easy debunking of poor research. The problem is that he's not correcting it in good faith. He uses this as leverage to promote his right wing agenda. Any time I actually need to read him, which I typically do not, I double and triple check what he's saying and why he's saying it. These are good articles on the historical and legal complexities involved, addressing Windschuttle's claims specifically. insidestory.org.au/windschuttle-again/ www.abc.net.au/news/2008-02-15/37108 classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/UTasLawRw/2011/2.html
So all those people suffered because someone else wasn't meeting their colonial KPIs in a cost effective way? Where have I heard that one before, sounds an awful lot like that move fast and break things logic of social media era.
I might do that at a later date. I believe the evidence for the intention to weaponize smallpox in the US is conclusive, though the number of overall cases may be small.
@@veritasetcaritas even if the original cases specifically from deliberately given blankets is low, I would say that the spread from those populations to the rest of the continent should also not go unrecognised. Creating a foothold on the continent and knowingly causing multiple cases, providing multiple and plentiful oppurtunties for it to spread to people beyond.
There is the well researched book called Invisible Invaders by Judy Campbell, published by University of Melbourne. I recommend people read this source. The debate around source and responsibility is quite driven by one's overall view of white colonisation. Smallpox was disastrous for the indigenous nations.
I mention Campbell's work in this video, along with the criticism it has received. I agree that the debate on this issue is influenced largely by the individual's perspective on colonialism.
This is not related to this video, but has anyone noticed a rise in anti semetism and historical revisionism in general? I've seen an alarming amount of comments throughout youtube expressing these questionable positions, which also garner a lot of likes. You see this rise in games like roblox. Roblox, of all games, has gotten a lot of N#$%zis and KKK imitators. I see them on a daily, its insane. Theres also channels like Asha logos, which, of course, dont necessarily propagate anti semtism, but the information given incites those feelings. They're also channels like Robert Sepher, which claim all civilizations come from whites( not joking ), and his video on malian Empire and other videos demonstrates that.
Yeah I know what you mean. I've looked at Asha Logos in particular. It's very obvious right-wing, and you can tell from the comments and the channels with which is associated that it's very standard proto-fascist content. www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/2011.12843/&ved=2ahUKEwjn6ZnvvNWBAxVCfN4KHf6pD8YQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw35AI2LvaaXGPP1oCn5BfZ9
"Telling people that your ancestors were not evil and that You are not Evil is antisemetic? Same with attempts to erase the Word Anglo Saxon to counter Nationalism efforts?
@@arnowisp6244 No. But making observations of some Jewish people who did mischievous things and extrapolating that to Jews in general which the comments do, not necessarily Asha logos, is Anti semitic. Same for Arabs and other groups who's native language is semitic. Ignoring holocaust revisionism, the fact a lot of these popular comments and coincidentally their replies spew messages that praise Hitler is telling.
@@Pax-Islamica Yep, but let's not lump islamophobia under antisemitism. Antisemitism was a term made up to sound better than judenhass or"Jew-hatred". It was always about hating Jews, not all Semitic-speaking people. The racialization of Islam and Arabs is its own thing, with its own separate history, that has similarities but should not be combined.
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Me as an Australian "I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they did" .
Was listening to ABC Radio and a Koori woman and she was talking about racism here and I'm paraphrasing here "Australia isn't particularly racist , of course racism and racists exist . But Australians are beyond racism they don't need white sheets , pointy hats and silly titles ......... They have complete indifference to the plight of the colonised" as a White Australian whose ancestors go back to the second boat load I couldn't agree more . My country is a disgrace
As an Australian myself, I can say that indifference absolutely exists, and I think it's due to a number of factors.
1. Because the old-fashioned outright explicit racism has been distinctly minimized over time, people tend to think that racism in Australia has been fixed, and since they have that old form of racism in their head as the definition of racism, they don't acknowledge other forms of racism which are still endemic.
2. Far fewer people in Australia feel related to the original colonizers, and thus feel separated from their misdeeds. When I was in primary school students would take delight in searching the First Fleet database to see if their ancestors were on it, either as colonizers or convicts. As a second generation migrant to Australia myself, I knew none of my ancestors were there. Over time it became distinctly less laudatory to be related to the colonizers.
Additionally a far greater percentage of the population are first, second, or third generation migrants, who feel no personal connection with, or responsibility for, the original colonizers. Many of them consequently see the plight of the Aboriginal people as someone else's problem. It also can't be avoided that some of them bring their own racist attitudes and think that since their migrant ancestors uplifted themselves to wealth after arriving in Australia then the Aboriginal people can also.
3. Casual racism is not taken very seriously in Australia.
@@veritasetcaritas 100% agree .
@@veritasetcaritas It's something I think that bears repeating: settler colonial societies are pretty much similar to each other. The truth is, Australia; New Zealand; and Canada aren't that far removed in terms of overall historical trajectory from the United States. Even the usual flexes they do over the United States (more generous social welfare and national health care) are implicated in the perpetuation of racism and settler colonialism in these supposedly more "enlightened" states. After all, those of a darker hue were at best got inferior care, excluded from benefitting, or worse yet were directly harmed by these "health" and "welfare" services. What's more, these three other countries were just as brutal as the US...and even, at times, a sight worse. Australians didn't even bother with the formality of treaties and the like; they just saw the land they wanted and took it, slaughtering any aboriginal tribe that had an opinion to the contrary.
And as for not taking things seriously: recalled that show "Dumb, Drunk, and Racist". As if any of these things were a question about Australia. Of course it's dumb, drunk, and racist. And honestly, culturally, Australia and the US aren't that different. The US is what Australia would be with looser gun laws.
@@tristanband4003 I think if you look at the history of all of these nations, especially New Zealand and Australia, it's a bit more complex than just "Powerful white men entered, slaughtered all the feeble black people, took all their land, and then unsuccessfully tried to genocide the rest". The indigenous people weren't just pathetic carpets who were walked all over without any agency.
There were treaties and agreements which did work. There were military alliances the Maori in particular used to exploit settler military power against their Maori rivals. In Australia there were treaties which were even honored. There were settlers who defended Aboriginal people, even church leaders and politicians who warned that settler actions and policies would lead to genocide, and tried to stop them. In Australia in particular, over the extent of the huge land mass, a wide range of different policies were enacted, with very varying results.
@@veritasetcaritas I never said indigenous people were pathetic carpets. Only that settlers were unscrupulous, ruthless, and armed with deadly weapons and diseases. To give too much undue attention to countervailing tendencies is to obscure the essential social relations at play.
It's good that we have vaccines for such diseases now.
When I was a child we still didn't even have a standard childhood vaccination regime for measles. In fact the measles vaccine itself only became available in Australia a few years before I was born.
@@veritasetcaritas Damn, dude, either you're *way* older than you sound or the measles vaccine took a LONG time to get to Australia.
@@GigasGMX the measles vaccine became available in Australia in 1968, but there wasn't a standard child vaccination regime until later. The standard measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine wasn't introduced until 1989. I was born in 1973, and caught measles, mumps, and chickenpox as a child, which was common for the time.
@@veritasetcaritasyou're ancient my man.
@@davidogundipe808 yeah I'm old.
Excellent analysis, as usual. Thank you for your contribution to RUclips historical content!
Thank you! This was a difficult one to research, since there have been so many theories and the debate has continued for over a century, with numerous arguments and lines of evidence being appealed to, but I think that despite the lack of a smoking gun the outbreak had to be caused by the European settlers one way or another. There's just no firm evidence as to who was personally responsible.
What do you think about Keith Windschuttle (particularly his works on Tasmania and Stolen Generations) and "history wars"?
Windschuttle is good at making mileage out of the easy debunking of poor research. The problem is that he's not correcting it in good faith. He uses this as leverage to promote his right wing agenda. Any time I actually need to read him, which I typically do not, I double and triple check what he's saying and why he's saying it.
These are good articles on the historical and legal complexities involved, addressing Windschuttle's claims specifically.
insidestory.org.au/windschuttle-again/
www.abc.net.au/news/2008-02-15/37108
classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/UTasLawRw/2011/2.html
So all those people suffered because someone else wasn't meeting their colonial KPIs in a cost effective way? Where have I heard that one before, sounds an awful lot like that move fast and break things logic of social media era.
Can you do a video on the claimed widespread use of smallpox blankets on tribes in the United States?
I might do that at a later date. I believe the evidence for the intention to weaponize smallpox in the US is conclusive, though the number of overall cases may be small.
@@veritasetcaritas even if the original cases specifically from deliberately given blankets is low, I would say that the spread from those populations to the rest of the continent should also not go unrecognised. Creating a foothold on the continent and knowingly causing multiple cases, providing multiple and plentiful oppurtunties for it to spread to people beyond.
@@robertfaucher3750 yes I agree with that.
I've heard it said there's exactly one recorded case where someone tried to wepaonize blankets.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 I know the exact figure is debated, but I don't know all the details.
There is the well researched book called Invisible Invaders by Judy Campbell, published by University of Melbourne. I recommend people read this source. The debate around source and responsibility is quite driven by one's overall view of white colonisation. Smallpox was disastrous for the indigenous nations.
I mention Campbell's work in this video, along with the criticism it has received. I agree that the debate on this issue is influenced largely by the individual's perspective on colonialism.
It also happened to basically every nation that got a significan amount of euros sent to them…
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This is not related to this video, but has anyone noticed a rise in anti semetism and historical revisionism in general? I've seen an alarming amount of comments throughout youtube expressing these questionable positions, which also garner a lot of likes.
You see this rise in games like roblox. Roblox, of all games, has gotten a lot of N#$%zis and KKK imitators. I see them on a daily, its insane.
Theres also channels like Asha logos, which, of course, dont necessarily propagate anti semtism, but the information given incites those feelings.
They're also channels like Robert Sepher, which claim all civilizations come from whites( not joking ), and his video on malian Empire and other videos demonstrates that.
Yeah I know what you mean. I've looked at Asha Logos in particular. It's very obvious right-wing, and you can tell from the comments and the channels with which is associated that it's very standard proto-fascist content.
www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/2011.12843/&ved=2ahUKEwjn6ZnvvNWBAxVCfN4KHf6pD8YQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw35AI2LvaaXGPP1oCn5BfZ9
"Telling people that your ancestors were not evil and that You are not Evil is antisemetic?
Same with attempts to erase the Word Anglo Saxon to counter Nationalism efforts?
@@arnowisp6244 No. But making observations of some Jewish people who did mischievous things and extrapolating that to Jews in general which the comments do, not necessarily Asha logos, is Anti semitic. Same for Arabs and other groups who's native language is semitic.
Ignoring holocaust revisionism, the fact a lot of these popular comments and coincidentally their replies spew messages that praise Hitler is telling.
@@arnowisp6244 It's fine to tell people your ancestors weren't evil, unless they were evil. Additionally, the word "Anglo-Saxon" is not being erased.
@@Pax-Islamica Yep, but let's not lump islamophobia under antisemitism. Antisemitism was a term made up to sound better than judenhass or"Jew-hatred". It was always about hating Jews, not all Semitic-speaking people. The racialization of Islam and Arabs is its own thing, with its own separate history, that has similarities but should not be combined.