Tsiah IV If you're a Type/Moon fan you'll love Carnival Phantasm. It's all the series in one universe. Like Shirou and Shiki Tohno trying to date all the girls in their respective series in one day.
Also, fun fact: proto Saber has inspired Shirou's character while proto Saber Alter has inspired SN Gilgamesh's character and proto Gilgamesh's abilities and fighting style have inspired both Emiya's abilities and fighting style but only Gilgamesh's skills. So when in HA kid Gil calls Shirou his "big-bro" this is propably a referance to how he has taken the most mature parts out of their inspiration sources.
Gogeto ssj50 because avenger isn't actually a class that only happened once when someone did it mostly on purpose and emiya fits perfectly into the servent of the bow and only that he is not qualified for literly and of the other classes except maybe caster but then he'd be useless
Kiritsugu: *teaches Shirou how to use magecraft just enough to help him but not get him killed* Shirou: *enters the 5th holy grail war* Kiritsugu: Am I a joke to you?
Not really tho. His teachings made everything worse, it is even explained in drama's. He heard genius idea from Taiga that to stop someone from doing something, you have to teach him wrong so he will naturally stop doing said thing. Which resulted in Shirou creating fake magic circuits from his own nerves (and being in a verge of death EVERY single time he does so) instead of using his own perfectly working ones
I think kiritsugu is wrong/stupid not to teach shirou magecraft I understand not wanting shirou to get in to the type-moon world But he was Adopted by the mage killer for crying out loud which come with enemy that don't give shit if you follow his path or not. the einzburn literally tell illya that kiritsugu leaves her for shirou which lead illya to want to kill shirou Because kiritsugu fails to bring the holy grail back he screwd the moment either way
And also meaningful if we know what we doing it our choices to what we become sometime we have to understand our contradictory of our existence there always risk and hope
In the VN, we get to actually see his thought process. But I like the moments in the anime when we see how damaged he is. Those moments where his expression or statement or whathaveyou is undeniably completely insane. Like when Rin was asking him why he tried to save Illya even when it was obvious that he couldn't do anything. "I just wanted to save her." That look on his face--those wider than normal eyes, that tilt to his head... he looked deranged. It's moments like that which really make you understand how much he's distorted, even more so than the obvious points where he pointlessly sacrifices himself for others.
+TheMegaUzumaki He isn't sane--that's why, despite being only human, he's capable of producing a Reality Marble, which can only be produced by those who do not have a human way of thinking--the "alien common sense of demons". If a human cannot think like a human, he is insane. Also, I wasn't talking about him trying to save Rin. I was talking about when he, when both he and Rin had no Servants, 100% intended to jump down to save Illya despite Gilgamesh absolutely curbstomping Berserker. His reason? "I just wanted to save her". But it goes beyond that. Shirou doesn't simply _want_ to help people. He _needs_ to. He is literally incapable of trying to preserve his own life at the expense of someone else's. There isn't even a point at which he considers whether or not he should try to save someone--there's no decision on his part, no conscious action being made to overwrite his own self-preservation instincts (which only apply to himself when no one else is in danger), or even simple trained reflex. His own self is never even so much as a subconscious consideration. The Fukuyi Fire burned away his capacity to function as a human being.
@@OrionoftheStar it's so sad that Shirou practically grew up with a survivor guilt that ate away at his mind constantly. Additionally, though I do like the anime, I kinda feel like that scene you mentioned with Shirou looking kinda deranged was a bit too on the nose. Not that I didn't like it, but the tone shift was a bit more drastic than I would've expected. Had it been subtler, I wouldn't have even noticed the shift.
Just a quick titbit, Kiritsugu actually did try to take Illya back and make her and Shirou a family. As Shirou mentions, Kiritsugu was rarely actually in the house and was always abroad, this was because he was constantly trying to take back Illya from the Einzberns. Though because he betrayed them in the last war, they made it impossible for him to find the castle again. Naturally, Illya didn't know this and was raised hating Kiritsugu, which is why she decides to take out her anger at him on Shirou (which in the VN leads to some fucking awful deaths, like Berserker literally using his sword to crush all of Shirou's body into paste whilst Illya keeps him alive so he can feel every bit of pain, even when just his head is left).
I love how the VN introduces us to him... I mean those words, damn ... "If you take away a child's parents, home, and all such things, there's nothing left for him. That's why there remained only my body. I think it's a simple story. In other words, in order to let my body live... My heart died."
Dude, from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for making this video. Shirou Emiya is one of if not my favorite fictional character of all time. So many people seem to think Shirou is bland and uninspired and it drives me crazy how people, even other story/character analysis channel runners, just don't get it. So when I watched this video and in the first 10 seconds you immediately state in no uncertain terms exactly why this character is so fascinating, I was just like YEEESSSS!!!! Thank you so much! Subscribed!
@@Azal827 Eh? I still don't understand why they keep using him as a main character... His character is so 'deep' that I skip most of the scenes he is in, lol I thought the idea of taking a hero from the future and reveal who the present version is, but boi oh boi did they go wrong somewhere haha
The reason that Avalon did not affect Kiritsugu and Irisviel the same way as it did Shirou is because, at the time it was implanted into him, Shirou was for all intents and purposes an empty shell. During the Fire, Shirou threw away everything that made him him in order to survive. He threw away his memories, his emotions, and even his personality in a desperate bid to save himself. By the time Kiritsugu got to the poor boy, he could barely be considered a person. So when Avalon was implanted into Shirou’s body, it literally remade him into a sword by turning both his Elemental Alignment and his Origin to Sword.
He is just like a sword, i mean takes a lot of work and effort to make one but the process starts from the basics elements to ends with a complex and refined structure.So is Shirou's mechanical mind and body, simple and complex at the same time.Archer is that to a extreme lvl.
10:53 Shirou also threw his ideals to become the hero of justice after watching Saber's memories and through it Shirou learned the burdens of a Utopian ideal & the costs it extracts from those who pursue it & how it tends to break the idealist, His wish later change to be with saber but even if in certain ways it was possible for saber to attain a body, that would lead her death in her timeline so saber chose to return to her time and end her life by ending her contract with the world and they made peace with each others decision. Even in the wiki it's stated that Shirou left his dream of becoming a hero after saber left and started to lead a normal life while trying to figure out a way to reach Avalon while holding her in his memories(With Merlin's AKA Dick wizards help from inside Avalon he finally reunited with his love after a long wait, no saber waited for 1500+ years so it was her who waited longer) . And here is the rest from wiki= With the Holy Grail War over, Saber vanishes to her original time, but not before returning Shirou's feelings. She returns to the site of the Battle of Camlann as Artoria and accepts her past without the wish to change it. The dying king is carried into the woods by Sir Bedivere, whom she directs to return Excalibur to the lake. At the end of this route, she weakly smiles and says "I think I will sleep much longer this time...", then passes away, finally obtaining the peace she long sought. Shirou, meanwhile, decides to live life normally and peacefully with Taiga, Sakura, and Illya, vowing with Rin to keep Saber in their memory. (Can you see the continuation of your Dream) In the Réalta Nua version, an extended epilogue to this route(True Ending) can be unlocked.(Ending of the long Dream) Saber goes to Avalon after her death and waits several centuries to see Shirou again. Shirou endures many tribulations in his life and never stops believing that he will find Saber. After he dies, Shirou and Saber are joyously reunited in Avalon.
Yea thats mostly for the anime which I think is somewhat to blame since they had to cut out alot of the inner monologues and other stuff that the vn had to save time. But even in the anime this is there so yea
Yea thats mostly for the anime which I think is somewhat to blame since they had to cut out alot of the inner monologues and other stuff that the vn had to save time. But even in the anime this is there so yea
Kiritsugu actually didn't train Shiro "enough to not get himself killed." Point in fact, Kiritsugu taught Shiro the method a mage uses to create their initial magic circuits (a VERY dangerous and deadly process), then never taught Shiro how to just switch that circuit on. This meant Shiro was literally risking his life every single day practicing his reinforcement before Rin unlocked his circuits. Kiritsugu wanted Shiro to give up magic, he never wanted Shiro to be a mage at all. I'll give the same advice I give to ANYONE trying to analyze FSN based off the animes.... Go play the game. Yes, it's a visual novel, so there's a LOT of reading, but the FSN universe and plot are so much more expansive and better than the anime's portray.
Avalon did NOT tune Shiro's affinity to swords. In the Nasuverse, every person has both an origin and an affinity. These are determined at birth. Shiro is what is known as an 'incarnation' Someone who has the same origin and affinity. Incarnations are VERY rare, and Shiro is the incarnation of "Sword". All the fire/Avalon did in regards to Shiro being a sword is burn away the extraneous bits and distill his purpose. Twisting his being to such an extent that he thought as a sword rather than a human (which is where UBW comes from, because a reality marble CAN NOT be formed by a mind that thinks as a human).
You should listen to that part again because you heard me wrong. (2:54) I said verbatim, "he taught shirou just enough to say that he helped him, but not enough to get himself killed." Simply put, he taught Shirou what was rudimentary so he wouldn't plunge himself into the same type of danger he experienced. I know this, this is exactly what I said at (3:55) "Day in and day out he would endure rigorous training that he imposed on himself for the sake of his belief." Said this too at (2:35) "But I believe he avoided this because he really didn't want Shirou to follow in his footsteps, that path only led him to sorrow and anguish." I have read the visual novel from start to finish, that's the only way I've could've given such depth to this analysis. I even put in the description that the video should've been 20 minutes longer, but no one knows me and I wanted people to actually watch it. Not to sound condescending, but you really should listen before going off on a tangent and correcting. I agree, I encourage anyone to read the source material if they really want true understanding of the series.
"but not enough to get himself killed." Kiritsugu Taught Shiro enough to kill himself, and then not enough to make it safe. Remember how horrified Rin was when she learned how Shiro practiced his magic? And not just because Kiritsugu failed his duty as a mage to pass down his magic to the next generation. And I'm sorry for assuming you haven't played the game, but a bunch of the things you said in the video use the anime's tricks to explain something, even when it goes opposite what was said in the game. Kinda has the feeling of someone who saw the anime, and used web-searches and wikis for the rest.
Bro, look at first your comment, you literally said "enough to NOT get himself killed." I said "not enough to GET himself killed." Two completely different statements. Yes, I remember.
And sorry if I seem a bit confrontational, I'm just kinda passionate about FSN, and have been disappointed over and over by the anime adaptations, and I get really annoyed when I see people basing stuff off the anime like the game never existed (never see that happening with animes based on manga).
To me shirou is one of the most interesting Mc's out there because of how he is explored from so many different angles. One example of this is how shirou is a deconstruction of heroism while having his oath under snow version being a deconstruction of shirou. Other parts of my interest towards him is just how unique he is while being so explored and paradoxical.
Finally a good example of an analysis of Shirou that's not bashing him of being an idiot Good Anime fan. Subbed! Also which romance is your favorite? Fate/Avalon romance is mine
Romance? Like which Shirou relationship do I support the most? I'm not quite sure what Fate/Avalon is; Is it the Garden of Avalon Novel? I haven't gotten a chance to read it yet, but I hear that it's good. Also, thank you. There is indeed too much Shirou bashing going on, people don't even try to understand his character. Though I must admit, the adaptations do make it a bit difficult.
Fate Route/ the First one where with Saber as the love interest It had one ending with Saber leaving due to the war ending and they have one last kiss. Then the Realta Nua Edition gave the True Ending (which you have to get all bad ends and story ends to unlock) in where sometime after became a heroic spirit of his own (unlike ARCHER) Shirou and Arturia reunited in the afterlife (with the support of Merlin making a deal with both of them to prove their Faithfulness as True Soulmates) It's the romance that the fans want Ufotable to remake next, especially the True END And once again you are good in character analysis /review without the bias/bashing from those "standard" fans of shonen; harem; and nasu-franchisers(especially those Fate Zero purist) Also Isn't Shirou the deconstruction of the Shonen and Classic Hero
Oh, The Last Episode. Yeah, I actually just read it not too long ago. I thought it was beautiful myself, although it was bit contrived. I would like to see it all animated. Maybe they could do an OVA for it like they did for Ufotable's UBW Good Ending. Thanks really!! I would say so considering that's like the overarching theme of his character evolution.
tl34-lt12 well shirou is a idiot(but being a idiot doesn't make you dumb also human standards see bellow) there's no denying that but he's also a good character even if he can't really stand on his own because to be honest without intresting side characters he's a bit on the bland side one of the big issues is people judge him as if he's a human being and hear me out he's not he looks like one and has a lot of similarities to them but shouldn't be talked about as if he is one UBW exist literally because he is written down as human in gia's rulebook yet persist to be in on a different page than that. shirou is like a sword who gained sentience for a single purpose and learned how to wield himself then got stuck in the body of a human one who fights for ideals that are not his for dreams that are not his and with skills that are not his, he is a fake person it's even brought up several times. he's also really passive and honestly emiya is a better character just because he can drive a story narrative all on his own and shirou simply can't honestly if they want even more money make a movie out of that shit a in depth version of archers journey to hell and maybe him coming to realize what he's done id pay for that shit as for the reason bring up archer is as much as people call him emiya because its easier to tell the two apart that way some seem to forget that archer is also shirou.
TheMegaUzumaki That's not how it works. And Jared's analysis is more or less true, though it is not shown clearly in the anime. His mind is twisted by the great fire, by Avalon, and by Kiritsugu, the aspect of those can be looked upon in detailed in the original work (the Visual Novel I mean). One of which is the fact that that his original goal is not the ideal itself, at least in the beginning that is. In one of the monologues he has in the Fate route, which is the first part of the novel, he stated how deep down inside he just wanted to smile like kiritsugu did when he saved him, and wonder if he can achieve the same happiness if he followed Kiritsugu's foot steps. This, plus multiple more problems during his childhood leads to the point where we are at the start of the story, where he pretty much is the opposite of Kirei, he can only obtain happiness through the happiness of others. Yes, he actually has selfish desires, though they are extremely twisted from normal standard. At the beginning you can see that he chose to follow this path not because he believe it entirely, as times and times again he saw that his way of doing thing is not how a hero truly do things, but can't come up with the answer why. This is the start of his dilemma, and without this context, you will never understand him. Archer is from a timeline where this is not changed, he just continue his path without truly understand where he is going, and you witness his end. Not for UBW Shirou, as the confrontation with Archer makes him reevaluate the ideal, how it is something that is impossible to reach, yet still beautiful and worth pursuing. Unlike how you said he ignored Archer's dilemma, he did fully factoring in how and why Archer got to his end, and he changed. Unlike before, with how he stated that he must become a hero no matter what, without even understand what a hero truly is, now he does, truly believes in his path. That change in his mindset is a huge, HUGE change, that would drastically change his destiny for good.
Thelonewolf Angle perfect ha! no such thing, a good character yes Great concept and people don't seem to get the point when they complain about certain aspects of him it one of the reason I like Jack, and Frankenstein so much their characters are great in concept but unfortunately shirou can't truly run a story all his own he's a intresting character but he's also super bland and doesn't work without other characters to play of charcaters that tend to be more in interesting than him on their own
Great analysis. I believe what you said about Avalon's effect Shirou and I am glad your the first person to come out and say that it was responsible for Shirou ideals. Its very true. Shirou's ideals and believes are more in tied to Artoria which is why they make such a good pair
the problem with that is it's stated that shirou already had the element or origin(cant remeber which it was) of sword before Avalon was inserted and changed the other to match yes it had some influence but it really doesn't explain several things like for one we know part of the reason shirou acts the way he does is completely on his own people talk about him as if he's a human he's not looks like one and has a bunch of other similarities but he's not, why do they think that UBW even exist the whole point was he is so far away from what can be considered human while still marked down as human in gia's rulebook that the distortion created a world where somone like shirou belongs
Good job man! You are the only person that went into such unbais detail about Shirou and his mindset. You spoke of all the reasons why Shirou is one of the few male anime protagonists that I respect.
Fantastic analysis, Emiya Shirou is one my favorite fictional characters, and I anticipate your other analysis! Subbed ;) By the way, it's Kara No *Kyoukai*, not Kara No *Koukai* XD
Appreciate that and thanks for the sub. Yeah, Shirou is awesome and really doesn't deserve the amount of flack he receives. Him and Kirei have to be some of the most well thought out characters I've seen in the medium. I had a feeling that I butchered it when I said it lmaooo.
Fate wise, I want to do something on The Holy Church or Mage's Association, if not then Kirei Kotomine. Outside of that I plan to do Rock and Revy from Black Lagoon next. Did you want to see something specific?
Your analysis is pretty spot on, the only disagreement I have being the opinion of the endings and possibly routes, but those are opinions. Its nice to see someone understand the difference between intelligence and self-comprehension. Shirou is absolute in his goals, and methodology. Many view him as an idiot because of his lack of awareness in magical areas, and his suicidal attitude, but you struck gold in the way you mention it is not stupidity that guides him, but a desire that overwrites his self-preservation. It is quite amazing to see this kind of thing happen, I thought most Nasuverse fans were the quiet ones, or the overly obnoxious ones who worship it in a very extreme manner...
This is an amazing video! Shirou and Archer have been two of my favorite characters for a while now, and I always love seeing them talked about. It drives me crazy to hear him described as just another generic visual novel protagonist. And I have no idea why there isn't more Type Moon content on RUclips. The fandom is pretty sizable, and yet barely anyone ever mentions it.
Shiro really hadn't resonated with me at all. He felt too idealistic to be relatable, and even though being idealistic is not a bad thing in it of itself, during the story he didn't grow or learn anything at all. I would love him much better if the story didn't focus on him as a protagonist, or if he got pushed to the sidelines. Don't get me wrong, the plot would still revolve around his story, it just shouldn't be in his perspective. In my honest opinion, the plot being in Rin's perspective would have been much better and made much more sense since she actually grew during the story. Just compare the first two episodes, and you'll see what I mean. The first episode (or the pilot, whatever you want to call it), focusing on Rin, was far more interesting and exciting than the second, which focused more so on Shiro. My biggest issue was that Shiro's motive was just too confusing. Most stories would have their protagonist address one of their weaknesses in order to progress. Shiro never addresses any weakness of his own, and therefore the theme and the drive just fell flat. It would have taken a VERY clever story to pull off something like having the protagonist not address their own weakness, and unfortunately this anime could not pull it off. Which is unfortunate because as a whole, the entire anime is full of fun and interesting characters with their own motives and growth as people. The only person lacking the was ironically the protagonist.
Usman Siddiqui Exactly, see the fight between him and archer and even there he denies completly. What archer had been through, what himself would go through, and he just dont care because he can't accept his ideal as a fail. And rin on this route goes down on this patch trying to help makes even sadder.
Usman Siddiqui It clear that the entire anime go over your head. He accepted his weakness. However went through development does not shirou need to give up his ideal. The entire UBW is for shirou to understand it not giving it up. They have address his issue PLENTY of times. He blindly follow that ideal because of Kiritsgu and he follow it because it the only thing he know. That make him selfish which nothing more than a big hypocrisy which shirou admitted that Archer was right. However, just because the way he follow it is flaws does not mean it is not a beautiful dream to have. Shirou know that he will never reach that utopia but just because you cannot reach it does not mean you have to give it up. That is why Archer and Kiritsugu and well Shirou in one the bad ending failed and was betrayed by their ideal. They pursuit it blindly believe that they will eventually achieve it to the point of using every dirty method as possible to reach it while Shirou know it is not possible but do it anyway aware of the consequences. It like world peace. Just because you can never achieve it does not mean we should say "fuck it let all dies and give it up"
Simon Bourdin thank you. People dont realized that going through development does not mean going 180 on their character. Shirou understand and accept his ideal are folly but do it because it not about achieving a goal but helping people is a beautiful thing. Whereas archer and kiritsugu blindly pursuit an impossible goal hoping for it to be possible, shirou pursuit it knowing it impossible.
Iv'e always been surprised how little Fate content is on youtube. You would think with how popular the series is there would be a lot more. I always look for fate videos, but don't find any other than entry level type moon content. I want me some Fate/Apocrypha and extra videos :(
You and me both bro. As you say the output for fate videos or type moon in general is disgustingly low. Can't find a single review, analysis, nothing. Like damn, am I the only one in this bitch?? LOL. Hopefully we can inspire more people to hop on here and speak about it. Also, major shout out for rocking one of my favorite servants.
Well I'll be around, hope some more people will start to do so when Fate/Apocrypha starts up. Also keep up the recent consistency. You are really observant and give incredibly entertaining reviews and analysis, and I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers.
I think the biggest reason for me is that the original VN, the source (and the biggest one at that), for all of this story, character development and lore, has to my knowledge never been officially translated. All we (OFFICIALLY) have is the anime, and character monologues, which were CRUCIAL to Shirou's characterization and added much to other people, were removed. Other anime like, say, Evangelion, didn't have such problems. In retrospect, I incredibly SHOCKED at how big the Nasuverse franchise became when it started out just from an incredibly good translation from people like Mirror Moon.
Hey, when watching this video I can't help but think that emiya shirou is the Japanese version of Peter Parker (Spiderman). Think about it, Uncle Ben gave Parker his dying message "with great power comes with great responsibility". Creating Spiderman who will help anyone and bear the responsibility of those who he can't. Emiya's dad gave his ideals to shirou creating the hero of justice (emiya shirou). Both shirou and Parker are the kind to help as many people as possible. So much that Peter Parker could never get a stable relationship with anyone. Shirou trying to be the hero of justice eventually lost connection, to those who he once was close to. Of course there are differences between the both, but both are basically curses.
It's strange to find someone with content so well put together, even from years ago. I love Fate and Shirou is a character who led to the creation of my favorite original character. I hope you keep up the amazing work.
The timing for this video is impeccable seeing as fate apocrypha is on its way and heaven's feel is gonna be around the corner soon after that. Wouldnt be surprised if this ended being one of your more watched videos
I find the construction of the fate series world to be somewhat intriguing. Plus the fact that the premise of the series allows for so many spin-offs of its world means that there's always plenty to dig into; which i appreciate to a degree (Sometimes it can be overwhelming for those just getting into fate). oh and cant forget that fate/ extra encore is also scheduled for some time this year; Man this is the year of fate (no pun intended)
Hey, my dude. I just want to say in the course of a 4 days, I've nearly watched all your videos. You are HILARIOUS and I love how you put this material out. It's very insightful and funny. Keep doing ya thang!
The one part I would disagree with your video on is how you prefer the Normal HF ending over True. Personally, I find the True ending to be better because it finally shows Shirou's development into being able to put his own life and desires over his need to save others, in that he allows Illya to die in order to close the gate to the Greater Grail. But in Normal, he lapsed back into that self destructive mindset, allowing himself to die for the sake of others, while leaving Sakura to grieve. I think this is why the Normal end is still a Bad end, because Shirou never took that final step to overcome his survivor's guilt and hero complex. But overall, amazing video and subbed!
Thank you man. Not only for commenting and subbing, but for having profound evidence that supports your disagreement instead of just saying "I disagree". I respect your judgement.
Tsiah IV No prob and I hope to see more Fate content because it really is so scarce on RUclips, especially to find someone that actually read and analyzed the VN
I think the main problem with the True End is apart from Illya's death, there's practically no consequence. Sakura just has to look after the city, Shirou just has to get used to his new body (and can even use UBW again if he retrains) and none of the massacres that Sakura is generally responsible for provides consequence. She literally just has to do a job that Rin has done competently for years with little trouble for the rest of her life. Fans prefer the Normal End because Shirou had to pay for betraying himself and his very being because he loved Sakura and let her kill all those people.He had to give that final thing he had left. His life. And Sakura paid for her actions and murders through losing Shirou. I prefer the True End purely because as a general end for the HF route and the VN as a whole, it's far more lighthearted and provides a better catharsis comapred to how dark HF is. Well, that and Sakura is my favourite. :^)
jamal munir I can definitely see those fans' argument, but the sacrifice of Illya and Saber warrant as being huge consequences for Sakura and Shirou's selfish actions. And yes, Shirou did betray himself, but honestly, why shouldn't he? He betrayed self destructive and guilt driven complexes and habits, learning to live for his own loved for the first time. So should we even call it 'betraying himself' or maybe 'growing up' instead?
rockinjoker07 I don't think Saber (the person who Shirou most likely don't remember cause he dump all his memories about her) and Illya (who Sakura don't have that much affection) are that big of a consequences to Sakura and agrubly Shirou Sorry if my English suck.
wow. this video was awesome. such well developed concepts and a clear understanding of the fsn arcs and character relationships. I really enjoyed this video and you even highlighted things to me I missed about shiro, which was both great and shocking 0.0 A*
Amazing analysis, Shirou's character and actions make a lot more sense to me now. Awesome video, subbed as well! Glad to find another Fate Fanatic 😅. I only came across your video in the recommended section cuz I was collecting footage for a Fate/Extra review. It'd be cool if you stuck around to see the video when it's done. I would love to get some feedback from you.
brotha, as another fate fan, i love this vid! Shirou and Archer Emiya are my favorite characters, and i usually model my dnd characters after them. plus emiya carries my ass in fate grand order with saber nero lolol. big props on the background on kanshou and byakuya, i honestly didnt really know why those were his NP of choice, but after watching this i kinda get it all now!!
At first, to everyone probably, Shirou is a "generic anime protagonist." However after playing the visual novel and watching UBW and HF movies. Damn, Shirou is one of my favorite anime characters and this video explains all the reasons why. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Why am I just now finding this video?! Shirou is one of my favorite anime characters and this in-depth, authentic, reasonable analysis. Very concrete and detailed video man i can't stress that enough. I love fate bro and seeing this channel of Avalon...im on board my nigga. You got the voice and the swag keep hustlin broski. UBW is the ultimate Man vs. Himself and it's so beautifully done. I can't wait for your input, reviews and more content. Im so glad somebody brought light to how deep and damage shirou really is. I subscribed, You got the dub
Really appreciate the wholehearted comment my man. UBW is probably still my favorite theme out the three because what person doesn't struggle with their self? It's pretty powerful. Enjoy the ride fam, I'll try not to disappoint.
I've already addressed this comment so I'm just going to quote my response. "She was 8 years old by the end of Fate/Zero due to her rapid growth from being a homunculus and Shirou was 7. 5th grail war is 10 years later, so Shirou is 17 and she would be 18, hence the joke."
I never thought about it like that, Maybe he isn't as generic as i thought he was. But in UB and heven feel he gets a lot better for me as a character.
3:57 When you're a weak-ass magus and commit yourself to life-threatening training because you don't know any better, only to end up with 27 Magic Circuits which is more than the average Mage.
Now that I'm watching this again, upon seeing the "Kiritsugu can adopt him, or he can go to the church...and become one with the KOTOMINE," All I can think is, "Fuck that. *Nobody* needs to see what's in that _fucking basement."_
I love this. I noticed a lot of people shit on Shiro and I just disagree. I'm glad to find someone who acknowledges his depth and how damaged Shiro really is.
I'm only about halfway through the video, but I felt the need to comment on how you remind me so much of Wisecrack's Thug Notes and how much I love this because of that.
This is pretty late since you posted this video a while ago, but around the 10:00 mark you say that Rin is surprised at Shirou's reaction to the seemingly dead bodies, causing the viewer/Rin to realize that Shirou is emotionally disconnected. That is true to an extent, but the reason stated in the VN was that Shirou was used to seeing dead bodies, so he was able to act calm even in a situation like that. AMAZING video though, there aren't enough people who understand Shirou's character and I'm glad there are people like you who are able to clearly explain why he acts the way he does.
I feel like this is the much needed antidote to the poison I keep voluntarily injecting to myself by reading "secondaries" complaints about Shirou and FSN. Great analysis, subbed! (I see that touhou banner. Have you thought about making videos of that?)
I can empathize. Not sure if you're familiar with "Digibro", but he's also a secondary and has a video literally ripping the fate series apart. That entire video is physical pain to my abdomen, but I kept watching. To be honest, I just found out that banner was Touhou lmao. I picked it because it was Naruto themed and thanks.
He gave the wife to the King so when King kills him his sprit will dwell on other sword, with this they will be together forever for eternity. At least i think that is the logic behind his actions.
I hear Fate has several unused routes like the standalone Sakura and llya routes (Heaven's Feel was a combo of both), Caster route, Mashu/Sheilder route and Shinji route. This would have been called Fate Other Night. Also, this makes me wonder what other aspects of Shirou's character they could have covered? Also, I wish Shirou would get some therapy
you are right about the illya and caster one. The shinji one is just a meme, and the sheilder oen was an idea for the anime. Also, sadly no taiga route was planned
Perfection is flawed as humans must struggle and suffer to adapt and survive as well as better themselves. Save those in front of you as its right amd kind but people should be better so no one meeds saving.
YES! The novel will change your life. If you didn't want to download it, you can read the whole thing in full here lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/ And thanks.
Tsiah IV you're welcome, your video is good stuff! I really like how You describe and punctuate your points very clear and concisely And adding your own opinion about the points that everybody can just read from typemoon wiki Unlike a lot of other channels that just blabbering stuff from wiki with monotone monologue, lengthy lengthy introduction and excuses and unnecessary stuff Keep it up! You earned yourself a notification squad!
Guys the blacksmith's name at 6:11 is actually Gan Jiang. My mistake, I mixed his name up with the sword for a second.
check out otakudaikun youtube channel great fate night content
Tsiah IV If you're a Type/Moon fan you'll love Carnival Phantasm. It's all the series in one universe. Like Shirou and Shiki Tohno trying to date all the girls in their respective series in one day.
Tsiah IV dude I just found your channel and I love it bro it's awesome I'm a massive type/moon fan to bro keep that work going bro
Also, fun fact: proto Saber has inspired Shirou's character while proto Saber Alter has inspired SN Gilgamesh's character and proto Gilgamesh's abilities and fighting style have inspired both Emiya's abilities and fighting style but only Gilgamesh's skills. So when in HA kid Gil calls Shirou his "big-bro" this is propably a referance to how he has taken the most mature parts out of their inspiration sources.
Gogeto ssj50 because avenger isn't actually a class that only happened once when someone did it mostly on purpose and emiya fits perfectly into the servent of the bow and only that he is not qualified for literly and of the other classes except maybe caster but then he'd be useless
Kiritsugu: *teaches Shirou how to use magecraft just enough to help him but not get him killed*
Shirou: *enters the 5th holy grail war*
Kiritsugu: Am I a joke to you?
Should have join KotoMEMES lol 😂
@@mny2102 Then he becomes the real version of Amakusa Shirou Tokisada
Funny how that works.
Not really tho. His teachings made everything worse, it is even explained in drama's. He heard genius idea from Taiga that to stop someone from doing something, you have to teach him wrong so he will naturally stop doing said thing. Which resulted in Shirou creating fake magic circuits from his own nerves (and being in a verge of death EVERY single time he does so) instead of using his own perfectly working ones
I think kiritsugu is wrong/stupid not to teach shirou magecraft
I understand not wanting shirou to get in to the type-moon world
But he was Adopted by the mage killer for crying out loud which come with enemy that don't give shit if you follow his path or not. the einzburn literally tell illya that kiritsugu leaves her for shirou which lead illya to want to kill shirou Because kiritsugu fails to bring the holy grail back he screwd the moment either way
Shirou is a contradictory existence.. it sounds simple but it's terrifyingly complex
Maybe so but its quite entertaining right?
And also meaningful if we know what we doing it our choices to what we become sometime we have to understand our contradictory of our existence there always risk and hope
In the VN, we get to actually see his thought process.
But I like the moments in the anime when we see how damaged he is. Those moments where his expression or statement or whathaveyou is undeniably completely insane.
Like when Rin was asking him why he tried to save Illya even when it was obvious that he couldn't do anything. "I just wanted to save her." That look on his face--those wider than normal eyes, that tilt to his head... he looked deranged. It's moments like that which really make you understand how much he's distorted, even more so than the obvious points where he pointlessly sacrifices himself for others.
+TheMegaUzumaki
He isn't sane--that's why, despite being only human, he's capable of producing a Reality Marble, which can only be produced by those who do not have a human way of thinking--the "alien common sense of demons". If a human cannot think like a human, he is insane.
Also, I wasn't talking about him trying to save Rin. I was talking about when he, when both he and Rin had no Servants, 100% intended to jump down to save Illya despite Gilgamesh absolutely curbstomping Berserker. His reason? "I just wanted to save her".
But it goes beyond that. Shirou doesn't simply _want_ to help people. He _needs_ to. He is literally incapable of trying to preserve his own life at the expense of someone else's. There isn't even a point at which he considers whether or not he should try to save someone--there's no decision on his part, no conscious action being made to overwrite his own self-preservation instincts (which only apply to himself when no one else is in danger), or even simple trained reflex. His own self is never even so much as a subconscious consideration.
The Fukuyi Fire burned away his capacity to function as a human being.
@@OrionoftheStar it's so sad that Shirou practically grew up with a survivor guilt that ate away at his mind constantly. Additionally, though I do like the anime, I kinda feel like that scene you mentioned with Shirou looking kinda deranged was a bit too on the nose. Not that I didn't like it, but the tone shift was a bit more drastic than I would've expected. Had it been subtler, I wouldn't have even noticed the shift.
Just a quick titbit, Kiritsugu actually did try to take Illya back and make her and Shirou a family. As Shirou mentions, Kiritsugu was rarely actually in the house and was always abroad, this was because he was constantly trying to take back Illya from the Einzberns. Though because he betrayed them in the last war, they made it impossible for him to find the castle again. Naturally, Illya didn't know this and was raised hating Kiritsugu, which is why she decides to take out her anger at him on Shirou (which in the VN leads to some fucking awful deaths, like Berserker literally using his sword to crush all of Shirou's body into paste whilst Illya keeps him alive so he can feel every bit of pain, even when just his head is left).
Jimbob noooooooo
*+Jimbob* Was scrolling through the comments for this, thanks for pointing it out.
Which is why I found it strange how hard Shiro tried to keep her around after seeing all the bad ends
@@kelvinwebley6971 cuz shiro did not know the bad ends ever happened at all
It like loading a save in rpgs say ff7
I love how the VN introduces us to him... I mean those words, damn ...
"If you take away a child's parents, home, and all such things, there's nothing left for him.
That's why there remained only my body.
I think it's a simple story.
In other words, in order to let my body live... My heart died."
Damn that’s so deep
Damn dude
Not if he met the one.
Avalon is a hell of a drug.
Rick James sends his regards.
wait till you see rhongomynniad, Artoria's lance...
Gogeto ssj50 i like lancer artoria
At least it's one of the better ones. It practically makes you invincible.
That is, when Saber is around.
With or without Saber-chan
Dude, from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for making this video. Shirou Emiya is one of if not my favorite fictional character of all time. So many people seem to think Shirou is bland and uninspired and it drives me crazy how people, even other story/character analysis channel runners, just don't get it. So when I watched this video and in the first 10 seconds you immediately state in no uncertain terms exactly why this character is so fascinating, I was just like YEEESSSS!!!! Thank you so much! Subscribed!
berserkchip i get it but that doesn’t mean i have to like him as a character
dont worry, people will get their words eaten when it comes down to heavens feel
@@Azal827 Eh? I still don't understand why they keep using him as a main character...
His character is so 'deep' that I skip most of the scenes he is in, lol
I thought the idea of taking a hero from the future and reveal who the present version is, but boi oh boi did they go wrong somewhere haha
dont worry his ideal will be different in heavens feel
@@fosphor8920 thats the anime if you skip it you dont like the anime
Emiya Shirou is my favorite character in fiction. Period.
Just because you're a selfless paragon of heroism doesn't mean you're unrelatable.
Agree to that! Haters gonna hate
Just because you are right doesn’t mean you are right
I’m not gonna say he’s the greatest but he is one of my favorites
Sees all the shirou haters.... now i need another clash of ideaologies here
The reason that Avalon did not affect Kiritsugu and Irisviel the same way as it did Shirou is because, at the time it was implanted into him, Shirou was for all intents and purposes an empty shell. During the Fire, Shirou threw away everything that made him him in order to survive. He threw away his memories, his emotions, and even his personality in a desperate bid to save himself. By the time Kiritsugu got to the poor boy, he could barely be considered a person. So when Avalon was implanted into Shirou’s body, it literally remade him into a sword by turning both his Elemental Alignment and his Origin to Sword.
Also the reason Iliya looks the way she does is because of the Einzberns.
2:55 Didn't teach him enough to get himself killed. Then he proceeds to get himself killed..... *FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS!*
Hilariously sad but true.
I agree with you on that
Thank you for this video. I can't believe no one studies this kid he's a rubix cube in terms of complexity.
Simple once you see how things move?
"....orrrrr he could choose to be one with the KOTOMINE" 😂
Sounds like a fancy club drink or recreational drug the way it was said.
Do you mean KOTOMEME?
Or he could choose to yorokobe
He is just like a sword, i mean takes a lot of work and effort to make one but the process starts from the basics elements to ends with a complex and refined structure.So is Shirou's mechanical mind and body, simple and complex at the same time.Archer is that to a extreme lvl.
Couldn't have made a better analogy myself.
I am the of my sword
Swords have a beauty to them but that beauty is beauty at a price because it is always going to be a weapon
10:53 Shirou also threw his ideals to become the hero of justice after watching Saber's memories and through it Shirou learned the burdens of a Utopian ideal & the costs it extracts from those who pursue it & how it tends to break the idealist, His wish later change to be with saber but even if in certain ways it was possible for saber to attain a body, that would lead her death in her timeline so saber chose to return to her time and end her life by ending her contract with the world and they made peace with each others decision. Even in the wiki it's stated that Shirou left his dream of becoming a hero after saber left and started to lead a normal life while trying to figure out a way to reach Avalon while holding her in his memories(With Merlin's AKA Dick wizards help from inside Avalon he finally reunited with his love after a long wait, no saber waited for 1500+ years so it was her who waited longer) .
And here is the rest from wiki= With the Holy Grail War over, Saber vanishes to her original time, but not before returning Shirou's feelings. She returns to the site of the Battle of Camlann as Artoria and accepts her past without the wish to change it. The dying king is carried into the woods by Sir Bedivere, whom she directs to return Excalibur to the lake. At the end of this route, she weakly smiles and says "I think I will sleep much longer this time...", then passes away, finally obtaining the peace she long sought. Shirou, meanwhile, decides to live life normally and peacefully with Taiga, Sakura, and Illya, vowing with Rin to keep Saber in their memory.
(Can you see the continuation of your Dream)
In the Réalta Nua version, an extended epilogue to this route(True Ending) can be unlocked.(Ending of the long Dream) Saber goes to Avalon after her death and waits several centuries to see Shirou again. Shirou endures many tribulations in his life and never stops believing that he will find Saber. After he dies, Shirou and Saber are joyously reunited in Avalon.
Holy shit dude this was great. Finally someone who doesn't go on about how Shirou is an idiot and actually understood his character.
Pretty much like 90% of all Shirou opinions on here, I know what you mean dude lmao. Thanks for watching.
Yea thats mostly for the anime which I think is somewhat to blame since they had to cut out alot of the inner monologues and other stuff that the vn had to save time. But even in the anime this is there so yea
Yea thats mostly for the anime which I think is somewhat to blame since they had to cut out alot of the inner monologues and other stuff that the vn had to save time. But even in the anime this is there so yea
Kiritsugu actually didn't train Shiro "enough to not get himself killed." Point in fact, Kiritsugu taught Shiro the method a mage uses to create their initial magic circuits (a VERY dangerous and deadly process), then never taught Shiro how to just switch that circuit on.
This meant Shiro was literally risking his life every single day practicing his reinforcement before Rin unlocked his circuits.
Kiritsugu wanted Shiro to give up magic, he never wanted Shiro to be a mage at all.
I'll give the same advice I give to ANYONE trying to analyze FSN based off the animes.... Go play the game. Yes, it's a visual novel, so there's a LOT of reading, but the FSN universe and plot are so much more expansive and better than the anime's portray.
Avalon did NOT tune Shiro's affinity to swords.
In the Nasuverse, every person has both an origin and an affinity. These are determined at birth. Shiro is what is known as an 'incarnation' Someone who has the same origin and affinity. Incarnations are VERY rare, and Shiro is the incarnation of "Sword".
All the fire/Avalon did in regards to Shiro being a sword is burn away the extraneous bits and distill his purpose. Twisting his being to such an extent that he thought as a sword rather than a human (which is where UBW comes from, because a reality marble CAN NOT be formed by a mind that thinks as a human).
You should listen to that part again because you heard me wrong. (2:54) I said verbatim, "he taught shirou just enough to say that he helped him, but not enough to get himself killed." Simply put, he taught Shirou what was rudimentary so he wouldn't plunge himself into the same type of danger he experienced.
I know this, this is exactly what I said at (3:55) "Day in and day out he would endure rigorous training that he imposed on himself for the sake of his belief."
Said this too at (2:35) "But I believe he avoided this because he really didn't want Shirou to follow in his footsteps, that path only led him to sorrow and anguish."
I have read the visual novel from start to finish, that's the only way I've could've given such depth to this analysis. I even put in the description that the video should've been 20 minutes longer, but no one knows me and I wanted people to actually watch it.
Not to sound condescending, but you really should listen before going off on a tangent and correcting. I agree, I encourage anyone to read the source material if they really want true understanding of the series.
"but not enough to get himself killed."
Kiritsugu Taught Shiro enough to kill himself, and then not enough to make it safe.
Remember how horrified Rin was when she learned how Shiro practiced his magic? And not just because Kiritsugu failed his duty as a mage to pass down his magic to the next generation.
And I'm sorry for assuming you haven't played the game, but a bunch of the things you said in the video use the anime's tricks to explain something, even when it goes opposite what was said in the game. Kinda has the feeling of someone who saw the anime, and used web-searches and wikis for the rest.
Bro, look at first your comment, you literally said "enough to NOT get himself killed." I said "not enough to GET himself killed." Two completely different statements. Yes, I remember.
And sorry if I seem a bit confrontational, I'm just kinda passionate about FSN, and have been disappointed over and over by the anime adaptations, and I get really annoyed when I see people basing stuff off the anime like the game never existed (never see that happening with animes based on manga).
To me shirou is one of the most interesting Mc's out there because of how he is explored from so many different angles. One example of this is how shirou is a deconstruction of heroism while having his oath under snow version being a deconstruction of shirou. Other parts of my interest towards him is just how unique he is while being so explored and paradoxical.
Finally a good example of an analysis of Shirou that's not bashing him of being an idiot
Good Anime fan. Subbed!
Also which romance is your favorite? Fate/Avalon romance is mine
Romance? Like which Shirou relationship do I support the most? I'm not quite sure what Fate/Avalon is; Is it the Garden of Avalon Novel? I haven't gotten a chance to read it yet, but I hear that it's good. Also, thank you. There is indeed too much Shirou bashing going on, people don't even try to understand his character. Though I must admit, the adaptations do make it a bit difficult.
Fate Route/ the First one where with Saber as the love interest
It had one ending with Saber leaving due to the war ending and they have one last kiss. Then the Realta Nua Edition gave the True Ending (which you have to get all bad ends and story ends to unlock) in where sometime after became a heroic spirit of his own (unlike ARCHER) Shirou and Arturia reunited in the afterlife (with the support of Merlin making a deal with both of them to prove their Faithfulness as True Soulmates)
It's the romance that the fans want Ufotable to remake next, especially the True END
And once again you are good in character analysis /review without the bias/bashing from those "standard" fans of shonen; harem; and nasu-franchisers(especially those Fate Zero purist)
Also Isn't Shirou the deconstruction of the Shonen and Classic Hero
Oh, The Last Episode. Yeah, I actually just read it not too long ago. I thought it was beautiful myself, although it was bit contrived. I would like to see it all animated. Maybe they could do an OVA for it like they did for Ufotable's UBW Good Ending.
Thanks really!!
I would say so considering that's like the overarching theme of his character evolution.
tl34-lt12 well shirou is a idiot(but being a idiot doesn't make you dumb also human standards see bellow) there's no denying that but he's also a good character even if he can't really stand on his own because to be honest without intresting side characters he's a bit on the bland side one of the big issues is people judge him as if he's a human being and hear me out he's not he looks like one and has a lot of similarities to them but shouldn't be talked about as if he is one UBW exist literally because he is written down as human in gia's rulebook yet persist to be in on a different page than that. shirou is like a sword who gained sentience for a single purpose and learned how to wield himself then got stuck in the body of a human one who fights for ideals that are not his for dreams that are not his and with skills that are not his, he is a fake person it's even brought up several times. he's also really passive and honestly emiya is a better character just because he can drive a story narrative all on his own and shirou simply can't honestly if they want even more money make a movie out of that shit a in depth version of archers journey to hell and maybe him coming to realize what he's done id pay for that shit as for the reason bring up archer is as much as people call him emiya because its easier to tell the two apart that way some seem to forget that archer is also shirou.
TheMegaUzumaki That's not how it works. And Jared's analysis is more or less true, though it is not shown clearly in the anime. His mind is twisted by the great fire, by Avalon, and by Kiritsugu, the aspect of those can be looked upon in detailed in the original work (the Visual Novel I mean). One of which is the fact that that his original goal is not the ideal itself, at least in the beginning that is. In one of the monologues he has in the Fate route, which is the first part of the novel, he stated how deep down inside he just wanted to smile like kiritsugu did when he saved him, and wonder if he can achieve the same happiness if he followed Kiritsugu's foot steps. This, plus multiple more problems during his childhood leads to the point where we are at the start of the story, where he pretty much is the opposite of Kirei, he can only obtain happiness through the happiness of others. Yes, he actually has selfish desires, though they are extremely twisted from normal standard. At the beginning you can see that he chose to follow this path not because he believe it entirely, as times and times again he saw that his way of doing thing is not how a hero truly do things, but can't come up with the answer why. This is the start of his dilemma, and without this context, you will never understand him.
Archer is from a timeline where this is not changed, he just continue his path without truly understand where he is going, and you witness his end. Not for UBW Shirou, as the confrontation with Archer makes him reevaluate the ideal, how it is something that is impossible to reach, yet still beautiful and worth pursuing. Unlike how you said he ignored Archer's dilemma, he did fully factoring in how and why Archer got to his end, and he changed. Unlike before, with how he stated that he must become a hero no matter what, without even understand what a hero truly is, now he does, truly believes in his path. That change in his mindset is a huge, HUGE change, that would drastically change his destiny for good.
holy hell man THANK you finally a person who understands a prefect character of his future and past self.
think you.
Somebody had to defend this man lmao and thanks for watching.
Thelonewolf Angle perfect ha! no such thing, a good character yes Great concept and people don't seem to get the point when they complain about certain aspects of him it one of the reason I like Jack, and Frankenstein so much their characters are great in concept but unfortunately shirou can't truly run a story all his own he's a intresting character but he's also super bland and doesn't work without other characters to play of charcaters that tend to be more in interesting than him on their own
@@glich6035 Lmao dude always carried the story at the half of the story till the end of the story.
Great analysis. I believe what you said about Avalon's effect Shirou and I am glad your the first person to come out and say that it was responsible for Shirou ideals. Its very true. Shirou's ideals and believes are more in tied to Artoria which is why they make such a good pair
the problem with that is it's stated that shirou already had the element or origin(cant remeber which it was) of sword before Avalon was inserted and changed the other to match yes it had some influence but it really doesn't explain several things like for one we know part of the reason shirou acts the way he does is completely on his own people talk about him as if he's a human he's not looks like one and has a bunch of other similarities but he's not, why do they think that UBW even exist the whole point was he is so far away from what can be considered human while still marked down as human in gia's rulebook that the distortion created a world where somone like shirou belongs
Good job man! You are the only person that went into such unbais detail about Shirou and his mindset. You spoke of all the reasons why Shirou is one of the few male anime protagonists that I respect.
Sonicbuster756 same bro
At least he isn't Dense as a rock
Killua Zeppeli Nah, just dense as gold.
Yeah he kinda is
Is being dense on purpose
Yea, he's just dense as BONE OF MY SWORD
He is he even admitted it yet despite of that hes aware of his self
You are by far the least troll-able, least nerdy Fate blogger/critic on RUclips; great job!
私、失敗しないので😒😒❤️❤️❤️♿️🏥💉😒😒😒😒😌😉
Fantastic analysis, Emiya Shirou is one my favorite fictional characters, and I anticipate your other analysis! Subbed ;)
By the way, it's Kara No *Kyoukai*, not Kara No *Koukai* XD
Appreciate that and thanks for the sub. Yeah, Shirou is awesome and really doesn't deserve the amount of flack he receives. Him and Kirei have to be some of the most well thought out characters I've seen in the medium. I had a feeling that I butchered it when I said it lmaooo.
Tsiah IV Eh, no worries ;)! And yeah, Shirou doesn't deserve the flak he gets. So what would you say your next video would be?
Fate wise, I want to do something on The Holy Church or Mage's Association, if not then Kirei Kotomine. Outside of that I plan to do Rock and Revy from Black Lagoon next. Did you want to see something specific?
Tsiah IV Well I was looking at TYPE MOON stuff like Kara No Kyoukai, or Tsukihime, but keep doing what you're doing ;)
+Tsiah IV is the rock and revy coming out this month. those are one of my favorite characters of anime
Your analysis is pretty spot on, the only disagreement I have being the opinion of the endings and possibly routes, but those are opinions. Its nice to see someone understand the difference between intelligence and self-comprehension. Shirou is absolute in his goals, and methodology. Many view him as an idiot because of his lack of awareness in magical areas, and his suicidal attitude, but you struck gold in the way you mention it is not stupidity that guides him, but a desire that overwrites his self-preservation. It is quite amazing to see this kind of thing happen, I thought most Nasuverse fans were the quiet ones, or the overly obnoxious ones who worship it in a very extreme manner...
This is an amazing video! Shirou and Archer have been two of my favorite characters for a while now, and I always love seeing them talked about. It drives me crazy to hear him described as just another generic visual novel protagonist.
And I have no idea why there isn't more Type Moon content on RUclips. The fandom is pretty sizable, and yet barely anyone ever mentions it.
Shiro really hadn't resonated with me at all. He felt too idealistic to be relatable, and even though being idealistic is not a bad thing in it of itself, during the story he didn't grow or learn anything at all. I would love him much better if the story didn't focus on him as a protagonist, or if he got pushed to the sidelines. Don't get me wrong, the plot would still revolve around his story, it just shouldn't be in his perspective. In my honest opinion, the plot being in Rin's perspective would have been much better and made much more sense since she actually grew during the story. Just compare the first two episodes, and you'll see what I mean. The first episode (or the pilot, whatever you want to call it), focusing on Rin, was far more interesting and exciting than the second, which focused more so on Shiro. My biggest issue was that Shiro's motive was just too confusing. Most stories would have their protagonist address one of their weaknesses in order to progress. Shiro never addresses any weakness of his own, and therefore the theme and the drive just fell flat. It would have taken a VERY clever story to pull off something like having the protagonist not address their own weakness, and unfortunately this anime could not pull it off. Which is unfortunate because as a whole, the entire anime is full of fun and interesting characters with their own motives and growth as people. The only person lacking the was ironically the protagonist.
Usman Siddiqui Exactly, see the fight between him and archer and even there he denies completly. What archer had been through, what himself would go through, and he just dont care because he can't accept his ideal as a fail.
And rin on this route goes down on this patch trying to help makes even sadder.
Usman Siddiqui It clear that the entire anime go over your head. He accepted his weakness. However went through development does not shirou need to give up his ideal.
The entire UBW is for shirou to understand it not giving it up. They have address his issue PLENTY of times. He blindly follow that ideal because of Kiritsgu and he follow it because it the only thing he know. That make him selfish which nothing more than a big hypocrisy which shirou admitted that Archer was right.
However, just because the way he follow it is flaws does not mean it is not a beautiful dream to have. Shirou know that he will never reach that utopia but just because you cannot reach it does not mean you have to give it up.
That is why Archer and Kiritsugu and well Shirou in one the bad ending failed and was betrayed by their ideal. They pursuit it blindly believe that they will eventually achieve it to the point of using every dirty method as possible to reach it while Shirou know it is not possible but do it anyway aware of the consequences.
It like world peace. Just because you can never achieve it does not mean we should say "fuck it let all dies and give it up"
Simon Bourdin thank you. People dont realized that going through development does not mean going 180 on their character. Shirou understand and accept his ideal are folly but do it because it not about achieving a goal but helping people is a beautiful thing. Whereas archer and kiritsugu blindly pursuit an impossible goal hoping for it to be possible, shirou pursuit it knowing it impossible.
His weakness of the mind, becomes his road to becoming the hero we didn’t ask for, but the hero the world deserves
Iv'e always been surprised how little Fate content is on youtube. You would think with how popular the series is there would be a lot more. I always look for fate videos, but don't find any other than entry level type moon content. I want me some Fate/Apocrypha and extra videos :(
You and me both bro. As you say the output for fate videos or type moon in general is disgustingly low. Can't find a single review, analysis, nothing. Like damn, am I the only one in this bitch?? LOL. Hopefully we can inspire more people to hop on here and speak about it. Also, major shout out for rocking one of my favorite servants.
Well I'll be around, hope some more people will start to do so when Fate/Apocrypha starts up. Also keep up the recent consistency. You are really observant and give incredibly entertaining reviews and analysis, and I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers.
Tsiah IV You're so good that even Gilgamesh acknowledged you
I think the biggest reason for me is that the original VN, the source (and the biggest one at that), for all of this story, character development and lore, has to my knowledge never been officially translated. All we (OFFICIALLY) have is the anime, and character monologues, which were CRUCIAL to Shirou's characterization and added much to other people, were removed. Other anime like, say, Evangelion, didn't have such problems.
In retrospect, I incredibly SHOCKED at how big the Nasuverse franchise became when it started out just from an incredibly good translation from people like Mirror Moon.
Bruh, if I wasn't so fucking lazy and had more confidence in myself, I'd be up there with you
Hey, when watching this video I can't help but think that emiya shirou is the Japanese version of Peter Parker (Spiderman). Think about it, Uncle Ben gave Parker his dying message "with great power comes with great responsibility". Creating Spiderman who will help anyone and bear the responsibility of those who he can't. Emiya's dad gave his ideals to shirou creating the hero of justice (emiya shirou). Both shirou and Parker are the kind to help as many people as possible. So much that Peter Parker could never get a stable relationship with anyone. Shirou trying to be the hero of justice eventually lost connection, to those who he once was close to. Of course there are differences between the both, but both are basically curses.
"Orrrr he could go to the church and become one with the Kotomin!!!!"
It's strange to find someone with content so well put together, even from years ago. I love Fate and Shirou is a character who led to the creation of my favorite original character.
I hope you keep up the amazing work.
The timing for this video is impeccable seeing as fate apocrypha is on its way and heaven's feel is gonna be around the corner soon after that. Wouldnt be surprised if this ended being one of your more watched videos
Bruuuh, you're a fate fan too? *daps* Yeah, you make a good point now that you mention it, I can't wait to see how these adaptations turn out.
I find the construction of the fate series world to be somewhat intriguing. Plus the fact that the premise of the series allows for so many spin-offs of its world means that there's always plenty to dig into; which i appreciate to a degree (Sometimes it can be overwhelming for those just getting into fate). oh and cant forget that fate/ extra encore is also scheduled for some time this year; Man this is the year of fate (no pun intended)
I love it bro one of the few analysis that made me laugh while watching great job keep it up
Hes a lot more complex than people give him credit for great video i subbed
Hey, my dude. I just want to say in the course of a 4 days, I've nearly watched all your videos. You are HILARIOUS and I love how you put this material out. It's very insightful and funny. Keep doing ya thang!
You know a video's good when it understands Shirou's background :D
Remembered watching this when it came out and man this channel is still doing awesome
The one part I would disagree with your video on is how you prefer the Normal HF ending over True. Personally, I find the True ending to be better because it finally shows Shirou's development into being able to put his own life and desires over his need to save others, in that he allows Illya to die in order to close the gate to the Greater Grail. But in Normal, he lapsed back into that self destructive mindset, allowing himself to die for the sake of others, while leaving Sakura to grieve. I think this is why the Normal end is still a Bad end, because Shirou never took that final step to overcome his survivor's guilt and hero complex. But overall, amazing video and subbed!
Thank you man. Not only for commenting and subbing, but for having profound evidence that supports your disagreement instead of just saying "I disagree". I respect your judgement.
Tsiah IV No prob and I hope to see more Fate content because it really is so scarce on RUclips, especially to find someone that actually read and analyzed the VN
I think the main problem with the True End is apart from Illya's death, there's practically no consequence. Sakura just has to look after the city, Shirou just has to get used to his new body (and can even use UBW again if he retrains) and none of the massacres that Sakura is generally responsible for provides consequence. She literally just has to do a job that Rin has done competently for years with little trouble for the rest of her life.
Fans prefer the Normal End because Shirou had to pay for betraying himself and his very being because he loved Sakura and let her kill all those people.He had to give that final thing he had left. His life. And Sakura paid for her actions and murders through losing Shirou.
I prefer the True End purely because as a general end for the HF route and the VN as a whole, it's far more lighthearted and provides a better catharsis comapred to how dark HF is. Well, that and Sakura is my favourite. :^)
jamal munir I can definitely see those fans' argument, but the sacrifice of Illya and Saber warrant as being huge consequences for Sakura and Shirou's selfish actions. And yes, Shirou did betray himself, but honestly, why shouldn't he? He betrayed self destructive and guilt driven complexes and habits, learning to live for his own loved for the first time. So should we even call it 'betraying himself' or maybe 'growing up' instead?
rockinjoker07 I don't think Saber (the person who Shirou most likely don't remember cause he dump all his memories about her) and Illya (who Sakura don't have that much affection) are that big of a consequences to Sakura and agrubly Shirou
Sorry if my English suck.
God I just know there's some ideal version of Fate Stay Night that combines the best elements of all three routes.
" I..would have put the Nikes on " lol, This is the best analysis of Shirou's character I have seen. You my friend "Know de wea". Subscribed!
insanely well documented and criminally underrated... easy to understand and yet so impactful analogies... awesome bro!
wow. this video was awesome. such well developed concepts and a clear understanding of the fsn arcs and character relationships. I really enjoyed this video and you even highlighted things to me I missed about shiro, which was both great and shocking 0.0 A*
Thanks! It's thrilling to find people that are just as invested into the series as I am.
waiting for more fate series, love your dedication bruh
I love these Shirou character analyses
Good Video. This makes me wonder all the more how Shiro would have turned out if it weren't for the Grail Wars.
Amazing analysis, Shirou's character and actions make a lot more sense to me now. Awesome video, subbed as well!
Glad to find another Fate Fanatic 😅. I only came across your video in the recommended section cuz I was collecting footage for a Fate/Extra review. It'd be cool if you stuck around to see the video when it's done. I would love to get some feedback from you.
The fanatics unite! Lol. Thanks bro, I'll be on the lookout for your review.
(a month later)
its out =D
I loved your video. I really like fsn/fha analysis (also knk) and especially when they focus on Shirou.
Thank you. Yeah, Hollow Ataraxia and Kara no Kyoukai are definitely some interesting spectacles. I can't wait to get around to those videos.
Keep coming back to this video, really interesting analysis of Shirou
This is seriously one of my favorite videos!
brotha, as another fate fan, i love this vid! Shirou and Archer Emiya are my favorite characters, and i usually model my dnd characters after them. plus emiya carries my ass in fate grand order with saber nero lolol. big props on the background on kanshou and byakuya, i honestly didnt really know why those were his NP of choice, but after watching this i kinda get it all now!!
Haha, man I'm probably going to hop on that Grand Order soon, I think I'm missing out. Thanks for watching too, glad I could spread awareness.
Lol “kera no kookai”
Still good video
😂 I tried and thanks.
Wanting Shirou to do something more reasonable is fair, but I think he can be so determined and relentless *because* he knows his ideal is so far out
At first, to everyone probably, Shirou is a "generic anime protagonist." However after playing the visual novel and watching UBW and HF movies. Damn, Shirou is one of my favorite anime characters and this video explains all the reasons why. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Why am I just now finding this video?! Shirou is one of my favorite anime characters and this in-depth, authentic, reasonable analysis. Very concrete and detailed video man i can't stress that enough. I love fate bro and seeing this channel of Avalon...im on board my nigga. You got the voice and the swag keep hustlin broski. UBW is the ultimate Man vs. Himself and it's so beautifully done. I can't wait for your input, reviews and more content. Im so glad somebody brought light to how deep and damage shirou really is. I subscribed, You got the dub
Really appreciate the wholehearted comment my man. UBW is probably still my favorite theme out the three because what person doesn't struggle with their self? It's pretty powerful. Enjoy the ride fam, I'll try not to disappoint.
I rewatch this at least yearly. Please more of this!
I am very impressed with this. Well researched, well executed, ect. Overall incredible.
Seems that Archer is the logical conclusion of the utilitarianist ideology. "For the greater good", but built upon human sacrifices.
Oh so that's why Shirou charges enemies he literally couldn't stand up against and here I thought it was because he had two op macguffins
2:15 Well she's his younger sister because they are not blood relatives and he was actually born before her...
I've already addressed this comment so I'm just going to quote my response.
"She was 8 years old by the end of Fate/Zero due to her rapid growth from being a homunculus and Shirou was 7.
5th grail war is 10 years later, so Shirou is 17 and she would be 18, hence the joke."
Nah illya is 8 years old in zero while shirou is 7
Can't believe I havent found this channel before. Holy shit, this is amazing content. There isn't enough fate stuff on youtube. instant sub
I never thought about it like that,
Maybe he isn't as generic as i thought he was.
But in UB and heven feel he gets a lot better for me as a character.
My boy on that fate hype! I feel the same way, I think its somewhat progressive the way his character evolves from Fate > UBW > HF.
3:57 When you're a weak-ass magus and commit yourself to life-threatening training because you don't know any better, only to end up with 27 Magic Circuits which is more than the average Mage.
Archer is the closest thing to a true mage but the furthest from it
Keep these going please!!!!
Wow amazing video man can't wait to see what you put out next!
Many thanks, really happy you enjoyed it.
One of the best fate video! keep on with the good work!
Woop, thanks a ton.
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@@TsiahIV いえいえとんでもないこちらこそThanks!verymatchSofriendveryGOOD( ´∀｀ )b
Wait wtf, how do you have so little subs. Keep this up bro, youll get big, I guarantee.
Haha. Thanks fam, I'll keep working for sure.
You just got yourself another sub! Great job! I'm looking forward to seeing more amazing videos!
Thank you. More on the way!
Best commentary I’ve ever heard
You are really well read. That was excellent analysis. Shirou is awesome because he knows he can’t get to his ideal and tries anyway.
Yo bro great analysis I love ya videos fam keep up the great work. Stay blessed
Bro THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHANNEL!! It like have a conversation with someone as or more fanatical then me and I LOVE IT! I feelin this, keep it up.
Thank YOU man, squad!!
Excellent analysis man, subscribed!
Your one big reason I fell in love with fate
Now that I'm watching this again, upon seeing the "Kiritsugu can adopt him, or he can go to the church...and become one with the KOTOMINE,"
All I can think is, "Fuck that. *Nobody* needs to see what's in that _fucking basement."_
Due to the adaptation Shirou look so what of an idiot but in VN show his thoughts that he thingks but he's body move before he can thingk
..So... Shirou is a Sword.... Lancelot can wield any Weapon...... Profit?
"Damn bitch, you couldn't just throw a bird in there or some shit?" That's my new favorite Fate-related quote.
I love this. I noticed a lot of people shit on Shiro and I just disagree. I'm glad to find someone who acknowledges his depth and how damaged Shiro really is.
Wow I only knew of one channel that had fate stuff and thank you so much for making these videos. Sub confirmed!
Yeah, I think it's just me and OtakuDaiKun at the moment. Thanks man.
I'm only about halfway through the video, but I felt the need to comment on how you remind me so much of Wisecrack's Thug Notes and how much I love this because of that.
I actually came across one of his videos for the first time recently and I can see how someone would make that comparison, the man is hilarious lol.
Thanks for the video, my dude! Really enjoyed listening to your analysis. It felt like the video was less shorter than 18min.
This is pretty late since you posted this video a while ago, but around the 10:00 mark you say that Rin is surprised at Shirou's reaction to the seemingly dead bodies, causing the viewer/Rin to realize that Shirou is emotionally disconnected. That is true to an extent, but the reason stated in the VN was that Shirou was used to seeing dead bodies, so he was able to act calm even in a situation like that.
AMAZING video though, there aren't enough people who understand Shirou's character and I'm glad there are people like you who are able to clearly explain why he acts the way he does.
I feel like this is the much needed antidote to the poison I keep voluntarily injecting to myself by reading "secondaries" complaints about Shirou and FSN. Great analysis, subbed!
(I see that touhou banner. Have you thought about making videos of that?)
I can empathize. Not sure if you're familiar with "Digibro", but he's also a secondary and has a video literally ripping the fate series apart. That entire video is physical pain to my abdomen, but I kept watching.
To be honest, I just found out that banner was Touhou lmao. I picked it because it was Naruto themed and thanks.
Okarin I can painfully relate to this...
Subscribed 😂 Holy shit funny and informative I love this, it's actually w
Well researched and makes a lot of senses
Fantastic Analysis!
He gave the wife to the King so when King kills him his sprit will dwell on other sword, with this they will be together forever for eternity. At least i think that is the logic behind his actions.
This is a late comment, but this is why I love Shirou as a character. Thank you so much for making this video!!! XD
おにいちゃん?WHY?(´・c_・`)
Hell yeah I'd love to see more Fate (or Nasuverse in general) content on your channel
Really good video, I loved ur clear yet funny explanations and your vocabulary ;)
I'm definitely subbing, gotta have more Fate youtubers! :P
Thanks bro!
My man, you are doing god's work.
thanks for the vid good sir you just clear me some info about our man Shirou Emiya.
Glad I could help out and thanks.
keep it up good sir.
Your are talented at analyzing things. Rooting for your success and fulfillment.
thank you
bro nice vid you just earned yourself a subscriber
Thanks!
Literally love this mans content
I hear Fate has several unused routes like the standalone Sakura and llya routes (Heaven's Feel was a combo of both), Caster route, Mashu/Sheilder route and Shinji route. This would have been called Fate Other Night. Also, this makes me wonder what other aspects of Shirou's character they could have covered? Also, I wish Shirou would get some therapy
you are right about the illya and caster one. The shinji one is just a meme, and the sheilder oen was an idea for the anime.
Also, sadly no taiga route was planned
@@pablo9234 in fate extra shows how shinji effects shirous life.
Perfection is flawed as humans must struggle and suffer to adapt and survive as well as better themselves. Save those in front of you as its right amd kind but people should be better so no one meeds saving.
This was an awesome analysis... I need the visual novel T-T.
YES! The novel will change your life. If you didn't want to download it, you can read the whole thing in full here lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/ And thanks.
I'll download it, I'm probably going to get Shirou killed so many time. XD
Also you've earned a like and subscribe from me!
Uh oh? do I see consistency???
Yes! Now, where you at??
Say what? Me? Naw I'm good bro I see u big down holding down the fort!
As for Miyuverse Shirou, the graveyard of swords represents how many people has to die for him to protect the people he loves. Particularly Miyu.
Finally a video that isn't reading type-moon wiki word by word
GOOD JOB MY MAN
Lmao, thanks brother.
Tsiah IV you're welcome, your video is good stuff!
I really like how You describe and punctuate your points very clear and concisely
And adding your own opinion about the points that everybody can just read from typemoon wiki
Unlike a lot of other channels that just blabbering stuff from wiki with monotone monologue, lengthy lengthy introduction and excuses and unnecessary stuff
Keep it up! You earned yourself a notification squad!