Tupac & The Fugees' Forgotten Rap Beef
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2017
- Tracks we're thankful for. This week we take a detailed look at The Fugees' underrated collaboration, "Cowboys," with The Outsidaz of their 1996 classic, The Score. We'll look at additional posse cuts in depth going forward.
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Lauryn Hill is one of the dopest MC's of all time. My favorite joint of The Score is Family Business. Lauryn absolutely destroys that beat
Melendez She can sing and Rap! The perfect Femcee
MAD MAN shes amazing
Definitely Not Brian Melendez Agreed!
Did she write her own raps?
@@deonnelson9780 she did not
Justin: Gives very passionate opinions for the entire video
Also Justin: "I don't have the answers to these questions."
The Score was one of the albums that really made me understand how far reaching Hip-Hop could be. So many solid tracks that feel so effortless. Wyclef, Lauryn and Pras have done solid solo stuff, but it's always going to be impossible to think of what could have been had they done a follow up to the Score.
hip-hop real goat lyricist the fugees the fugees goat
In my top 10 Album anyway. A Classic Album with Art.
Guys I'll settle the GOAT debate once and for all. He's been right under our noses this entire time...its none other than Justin Hunte! He's been doing these GOAT pieces just to be humble but we all know the truth
HUMBLED.
@@TheCompanyMan Fire🔥👉ruclips.net/p/PLgXKvmzcxBl3QlxXgi5J32iplVo4KqAbT
The album in general is underrated. The Score and the Fugees in general rarely ever get mentioned among the greats. Thank you Justin for highlighting this today.
My favorite posse cut might be International Players Anthem. Love how Andre set the song off!
Bun murdered that.
That's a great one. Might be the only posse cut played at weddings.
Favorite song of all time of any genre
The story is that when they sent Andre's verse back to Pimp C he didn't want to use it because he didn't rap on the beat like everybody else...lol Big Gip tells the story in an interview. Its Funny.
lezlethal that’s the best part of the song too I’m definitely gonna check that out
Top 10 Posse Cuts
1 ATCQ Scenario
2 Wu Tang Protect Ya Neck
3 DMX N's done started something
4 Jay Z Reservoir Dogs
5 Craig Mack Flava in your Ear
6 LL Cool J I Shot Ya RMX
7 2pac Got My Mind Made Up
8 NORE Banned from TV
9 LL Cool J 5,4,3,2,1
10 Big Pun John Blaze
Dope list!
HeadBanger by epmd was dope as well
Got my mind made up is definetely underrated ASF
What about WU Tang Liquid Swords?
John Blaze was Fat Joe's song.
Justin, stop making me punch myself in the face. Please
The most underrated posse cut in rap history is "Got my mind made up". Meth gotta be the only rapper in history to body both BIG and Pac during there lifetimes.
And bone thugs n harmony... and Too Short...
Nice, and true!!
Nice and True!!
@@TheCompanyMan bone thugs #1 got tracks with eazy...big pun...2pac...biggie
FLIPMODE SQUAD MEETS DEF SQUAD off Busta's debut. Such an underrated posse cut.
Skenga I just posted that, too.
Rocking in mainland China this weekend, living that VPN life and sharing some Company Man with the rest of the speakers this weekend. Much love for hip hop in this crew.
The Score is a top 5 project IMO, for me it holds up to this day. It something I can rock to this day. You just added a ton of depth and context to that. Thank you.
Thank you so much brother! Enjoy that VPN life.
The Fugees is a lot of what could of been... The Score is one of the greatest albums I have ever heard from front to back the album is incredible... Cowboys is probably my second favorite track, Zealots was by far my favorite track on the album.
Thank you for the insight as usual, Justin!
1. ATCQ - Scenario
2. Outkast - Liberation
3. Dr Dre - Deez Nutz
4. Mobb Deep - Eye For An Eye
5. Jay Z - Reservoir Dogs
Honorable Mention - Nore - Banned From TV
Liberation is the truth
DEEZ NUTZ!!! Ha! Don't think I've ever seen that one mentioned before. great track!
Antoine Ferrell Wow, a Nore song that I like man, that song is underated. You have a really dope Cam'ron verse that I really like, Big Pun killed it, Styles P and Jadakiss, always dropping dope bars. Nice choice of songs btw.
Oooh good list!!!
Big L - Da Graveyard
Thank you for this Justin. The Score was the only tape in my walkman for almost a year between 96-97. Cowboys and Zealots were probably my most listened to songs
Why didnt you buy any more tapes ??
Zealots 🔥🔥🔥
And For Me Da Graveyard In the most Underrated Posse Cut from the most Underrated Album Lifestyle over da poor.
alberto1690 huh Big L being mentioned all the time and still Called underrated , Big L for that
Live.Love.Q we all know AZ everybody talks about him but still he's underrated. Same with L
Great joint.
Santa Baby - Has the BEST RAPPERS rapping about Xmas. Snoop, Redman, Mase, ect. (Yezzus!)
For me 8 Iz Enuf from that same album is a better posse cut but that's mainly down to Killa Cam's verse man that shit is fire
Zealots is definitely my favourite track but cowboys is without a doubt pure 🔥🔥🔥🔥. This album is so many things. Lyrical, introspective, funny, soulful and all without compromising its sound. I think "mask" is probably the most underrated track just because of how crazy the production and symbolism is but that's just me. Also it's funny how life works. I've been listening to 7 day theory all week (along with Mama's gun by Erykah Badu and ride the lightning by metallica). Also love the deep dive on this track.
Edit: Also that Chinese takeout skit still remains hilarious😂😂😂😂.
HELLL NO SIR-REEE, WRONG EMCEE. Why should I be a spy when you're spying me?
Mr. Hunt, you are a pure nerd!
I’m so glad to hear someone deconstruct tunes like this!
Such a dope track and episode.
Thank you Todd! Ha! This is one of my favorite joints of all time.
Pac knew!
😂😂😂
It's time for a
Common: Greatest Rapper Of All Time Video
Definitely deserving. Ta Nehasi Coates new book has some anecdotes I've never thought about that involve Com in them. Chi Town's Nas deserves to be celebrated.
Greatest hip hop cut imho is another Fugees track - Rumble In The Jungle. Fugees, Q-Tip and Phife, Busta. Super cut
Peter Johnson great joint!
Thanks man, it's got basically everything you mentioned of Cowboys with the added cherry on top of being created for an Oscar-winning documentary about arguably the most influential black figure in popular culture of all time. It's just FIRE.
Peter Johnson Dope@ Rumble In The Jungle
Dope @ Rumble In The Jungle, I just punched myself in the Face..lol!
Greatest Posse Cut
5. Tech N9ne World Wide Choppers
4. Sway & Tech The Anthem Feat RZA Tech N9ne Eminem Chino XL ect.
3. Odd Future Oldie
2. Flipmode squad meets Deaf squad
1. Wu Tang Clan Protect Ya Neck
HM Botha Lynch Hung Stabbed feat Tech N9ne and Hopsin
Heltah Skeltah: Leflaur Leflah Eshkoshka
Wu Tang Clan feat Onyx The Worst
The Anthem is crazy. Props for shouting out Worldwide Choppers, too.
Mrbronx127 when me and my friends were in middle school worlwide choppers and Midwest Choppers 2 were songs we would listen to and try and spit the verses perfect.
Mrbronx127 hmmm....I think Joey Bada$$ -Supect is a better modern day posse cut than Oldie, but that’s just my opinion
Was scanning the comments looking for that Odd Future "Oldie" mention. Nice work.
+2 for the Oldies nod, was gonna bring it up if no one else did.
Actually becoming my fav person on utube, much love from Australia!
The album is definitely on the list of GOATS, but I feel like Slick Rick was one of the earliest singing/rappers and a GOAT. 'Sitting in my car' 'young world' 'Lodi Dadi' TCM is due to do piece on just how deep his influence is. He is referenced more than James Brown. Black thought idolizes his skills FFS.
correct
Clef and I actually got into a convo about the origins of singing, etc. There was definitely a lot of harmonizing. Dating all the way back to "This is the way we harmonize." Slick Rick definitely falls into that bucket.
I know he's got a lot of drama around him, but would u be interested in doing a piece on his highness Slick Rick?
What We Dig Your not wrong.Most rappers in the early days sung badly ironicly like Biz Markie but Slick Rick did put a bit of singing in there.But I also remember Fearless 4,CD III,Kurtis Blow,Mantronix, Doug E Fresh amongst many others rappers burst in singing on the tracks
"Sittin In My Car" was dope! Kinda sad hip hop song too! Because it dealt with Rick dealing with his girlfriend and her homegirl too. Realizing that both of them are free spirits to any guy they meet giving out their contacts and meeting up with them. And I believe Rick just wanted to find real love he just looked in the wrong places of her homegirl that ain't really like him. His mistake wasn't intentionally though...
Love The Score man and another testament to 1996
Best year in rap history.
The Company Man Indeed Justin
Man, you broke that down! There is so much I missed and miss, especially the diss. Thanks bruh.
Piñata and Flava In Ya Ear are two of my favorites
After watching so many of your great videos, I find myself saying, "Yeezus!"
Keep up the great work!
Jarrid Stacy thank you!
The possecut on Black Star is crazy dope...
underrated joint
Greatest album ever.
Think greatest ever? Awesome album.
The Company Man probably not the best, but its no doubt one of the greatest music albums ever.
The Company Man Banned from TV has got to be one of the Illest posse cuts. That beat go too hard.
my best posse track is Asap rocky - 1 train
Joe Maelz it's awesome
Great choice.
LOL!!!
Fam. Scenario got that title forever.
Very Well researched. I enjoyed this video essay Justin. Thank you.
LOVED this song. Thank you for reminding me because I hadn’t heard in forever. If we’re talking greatest though, I got to go with Verbal Intercourse. Bars for days!
thatguy3731 whoa! verbal intercourse fasho fasho
Great track!
Facts. This song is pure amazing. John Forte RIPPED this Track. 1 of the best Rap Features of all time. And Ra Diga & Lauryn Hill on the same Track.
Man, the way Rah and Lauryn trades lines on there......KILLED IT! We make moves on stage coaches...while Digga lights the roaches!!!
Color Blind from Ice Cube's Death Certificate is the most underrated Posse Cut and the greatest is The Symphony. Dope video
Dope video!
I like the concept of one song one episode. It's cool. Keep it up!
Great video! Never knew there was a video. Speaking of posse cuts that are underrated I'd have to say this is so far under the radar:
Rumble In The Jungle by Fugees, A Tribe Called Quest, Busta Rhymes & Jon Forte
The Points by The Notorious Big, Big Mike, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Buckshot, Busta Rhymes, Coolio, Doodlebug of Digable Planets, Helter Skelter, Ill All Scratch, Jamal, Menace Clan & Redman
And of course Wu Tang posse cuts like Heaterz and Winter Warz. Dr. Dre's Stranded on Death Row, 2Pac's I Got My Mind Made Up (originally for Dogg Pound) and so many more
Another great underrated posse cut is "Back To The Grill Again" by MC Serch (coming off the break up of Third Bass) featuring Red Hot Lover Tone of The Trackmasters, Nas (two years before Illmatic came out) and a verse from one of the most forgotten great MC's of the late 80's/early 90's Chubb Rock.
Every MC had a memorable verse whether it was MC Serch telling you "if you wanna kill the Klan, shoot the fans at a tractor pull" or Chubb Rock yelling "cause YOU are a BLABBERMOUTH!!!". And Nas's verse on this track might've even been better than his verse on Main Source's "Live At The Barbeque". This was 1992. Possibly the last year that MC's could have fun with their lyrics before the gangster rap era REALLY took over with the release of Dr. Dre's first solo album 'The Chronic'. Just like Justin says... If you haven't heard this track.. Punch yourself in the face! 😂😂😂
Forgot all about this joint!! Thanks for the reminder!
Man, Cowboys is my joint! But you really gave me some fresh insight on the song, all the verses were tight - but especially John Forte's part, that guy went IN!
That whole album the Score was special, it made you think what might've happened if the Fugees didn't break up......
Imagine a world with Kanye and the fugees putting out new music. Yeezus.
This was eye opening I knew of the fugees but really nothing about them thanks I love breakdowns!
Great video, i already see other comments wit great posse cuts ill add Hieroglyphics group albums 3rd eye view and full circle.
just wanted to mention
Dr. Dre - Some LA Niggaz
Snoop Dogg - 4allmyNiggaz & Bitches
Eminem - Bitch Please II
E- 40 - Dusted N Disgusted
Gang Starr- The Militia II
Gang Starr - You know my steez remix
Black Star- Respiration
The High and Mighty - B-Boy Document '99
anything wu tang made lol
"if you haven't heard this song, punch yourself in the face" 😂
Definite Co-sign ...Absolutely One of the greatest Posse cuts
2Pac died at only 25. Where on earth did he find the time to have so many beefs during what was such a short life?
In 1996 (He had beef with Da LA Soul, Nas, Biggie, Lil Kim, Jr Mafia/Bad Boy, LL Cool J, Da Brat, Mobb Deep, Jay-Z,)
A lot of them were sneak dissing Pac. Throwing rocks and hiding their hand. He responded to them. Pac liked the Fugees music and had no issues with them. They dissed the West Coast while introducing California Love video. Also sneak dissed him on this Cowboy song. It's clear as day
Great video as always. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the Mase x Cam beef.
Gonna talk about it on All Out Show.
Popcorn ready!
@@Baldinosalvador 👉ruclips.net/p/PLgXKvmzcxBl3QlxXgi5J32iplVo4KqAbT
I don’t know if this counts seeing as how Wu Tang was a group, but the chemistry on Bring da Rawkus, Chessboxing, and 7th chamber are unmatched
Justin, I would love a series on various artists Stans. Why they might be so loyal. I think it's a mix between the music and the person. It's what they do, how they live, image portrayed, family, friends, struggles, reason for making music, loyalty or lack of to people and people to them. I think people often hate Eminem, Jay, Kanye, Wayne people but it might be fun to learn why they love their favorite artists so much.
BTW Great job as always!
Love this episode... I remember discovering this hidden gem of a video about 6-7 years ago... I love coming across hip hop goodies that I've never heard before. ❤
Symphony set the blueprint for a posse cut. One love
Great TBD reel. Quiet Storm goes down as my favorite. The mood of the song hits you from the crack of the thunder in the beginning of the song.
WOW! Big Ups Justin... Long Underrated Song!
Another great video as always!
I actually bought The Score on CD a few months ago (who still buys CDs ???) as a 90s album I've never heard but wanted to listen to. I still have not played the album but this video has definitely made me want to listen to it.
BTW, you mentioned All Eyez on Me early in the video and it just made me think of a posse-cut from that album. "Got My Mind Made Up" featuring Tha Dogg Pound, Method Man and Redman. I don't know if that song is any more underrated than "Cowboys" but I do think it is underappreciated.
What up Just! I like the way u broke down this track, especially with the Haitian jack 2pac connections. The score is a classic
Loved this Justin.I loved the Score and Cowboys.And the Outsidaz .I never understood why Pac went at the Fugees until now.I just thought because they were massive and from N.Y. Best posses cut..? The Symphony?Flava in Your Ear remix? L.Ls I Shot Ya,Banned from T.V?I don't have the answers☺There is one which never get mentioned Puffin on Blunts and Drankin ...a long version which I only has on a B side of the Dre Day12" It's dead hard to find and it has Kurrupt, Lady of Rage etc tear it up for about 11 mins it's load better than the LP version.Dig it out Justin if you haven't heard it it's dope.(Pac is not on this version)
this was my very favorite song by them and yes I have always thought it was one of the best posse cuts in history. Nice job.
Dope review!
Love this song. No punching myself in the face this week!
VICTORY!!!
Scenario Remix
Right back at you - mobb and wu
This guy knows I remember debating this back in the day. Salute
I've always thought about this... I totally agree. Try to do a piece on Hieroglyphics they have many posse cuts that are underrated.
Fax.
This song was tied for first off of the score & it was between thr Lauryn/Rah Duggan verse & John Forte verse that made me the happiest. Side note: the intro off of John Forte's "PoliSci" is one of my favorite intros to an album.
A great possee cut that gets me as excited is The Fab 5's Leflaur Leflah Eshkoshka.
I was literally listening to the album today!
And I really love this track and always thought people doesn’t talk enough about it
Man, The Score is an album that will instantly time warp you BACK to the 90s. There's a whole attachment of energy on that album that hits you as soon as you throw it on.
Cowboys is the definition of hip hop collaboration. Rah Digga is the most underrated female MC she should have been featured on more songs
Literally one of my favorite songs on this record!! Sucks how it’s underrated seriously!
Posse cuts y’all probly sleepin on:
Redman- Enjoy Da Ride
Too $hort- Buy You Some
Talib Kweli- Guerrilla Monsoon Rap
DJ Quik- Get 2Getha Again
Lloyd Banks- Start It Up
There's a lot to digest here, but first let's get to the singers/rappers, and go back to 1992 I believe and there's this group called the Pharcyde, and on their debut album is a song called "Otha Fish" Slim Kid Tre is totally singing on this track, and doing so very well, I might add, check out his verse on Running Away. Moving on to song that I'm grateful for, (posse cuts) the DOC's Grand Finale, both ATCQ's Scenarios, Marely Mal's The Symphony; Live @ the Barbeque; Heavy D's Don't Curse, The Basement, Pete Rock, and C.L. Smooth; The Flava Unit's, The Malita 1&2, GangStar; and any of verison of the Root's Proceed remixes. And I can't forget, Nas, Rakim, Krs-One, Kanye West and DJ Premier's Classics(AF1 promo)
That's why I love these breakdown. I'm 19 from Africa and I CAN learn a lot about the music I love with Justin.
I'm Batman But I'm from Africa your name is confusing. Wouldn’t that make you black panther?
Hmm never thought of that 🤔
Everything listed here is great. I'd add Triumph which is a great song on a good album, and Got My Mind Made Up off All Eyez on Me
Both of those are dope. I Got My Mind Made Up is super classics.
love pacs verse in that
Cowboys has always been one of my favorites from The Score. As far as any other underrated posse cuts I would have to go with Weight by Indelible MCs (Company Flow, J-Treds, Juggaknots) from Lyricist Lounge Volume One. Another one that comes to mind is a 9 minute posse cut called Mumia 911 from The Unbound Project Volume 1 which featured a bunch of MCs including Black Thought, Afu-Ra, Dead Prez, Zack De La Rocha, Chuck D, Jean Grae, Aceyalone, Pharoahe Monch, Tragedy, and more.
Excellent piece Justin! Fugees definitely scored a hit with Cowboys. I could have the “underrated” conversation all day. One group that comes to mind is Black Sheep. Their albums were awesome! And Dres is a tragically slept-on lyricist. Black Sheep definitely deserve an “underrated” piece. It’s all happening.
Picking a greatest Hip-hop album of all time, or even one's favourite Hip-hop album of all time, can be very tough indeeed, but if I was to pick one out of those I've gotten to own over the years, it would have the be Fugees' 'The Score', for sure. And I agree with Hunte that 'Cowboys' stands out Big Time.. It's creative and out-of-the-box like few other tracks I can think of. And I've always wondered whether I'm the only one so blown away by that track, 'coz no one ever seems to talk much about it. Great to know at least one notable Hip-hop commentator out there agrees. Finally!
Great video 👍👍
Always love this song
Why am I seeing this now?Great review. Have loved cowboys since I was 11 in 96'.
One of my favorite tracks of all time from my favorite album of all time.
I know TCM is a journalist himself so it might be kinda weird for him to be the interview subject on Vlad's show but I'd definitely watch a series of interviews with him getting more opinions on whatever subjects, much like how cool it was listening to him on Rap Critics's show, DEHH and course with Rude Jude.
vlad? fuck vlad! he exploits hip hop for a few views " so tell me more about your past crimes and your jail time" vlads a leech
Lol. Someone got triggered
lol triggered? oh yea another lil internet slang followers reuse because they don't know how to think for themselves like a 12 year old that says lit.
Vlad is a hip hop leech.
Great video Justin. May I suggest a topic for a later video? The renaissance or rebirth of “hardcore, dark gangsta rap/horrorcore rap” going on today with artists like Bones, $uicideboy$, Pouya, Rozz Dylliams, Germ, Ghostemane, Seed Of 6ix, Swag Toof, Grey 59, Buffet Boys, etc. and the impact acts like Three 6 Mafia, Lord Infamous (of course of 36M), Scarface, Geto Boy’s, Hot Boys, No Limit and other southern hip hop artists have on these newer guys
Another great episode! Great album and great song. John Fortye should’ve blew up but I heard he had legal problems
Grand Finale - NWA and The D.O.C. 🔥🔥
i thought everyone recognized this as the peak of fugees. cowboys is incredible. i never knew there was a video
"The Symphony"is the best posse cut of all time
Did this cut some justice justin
Thank you, gm.
thankyou rakim 18 letter and the roots rising down
My favorite posse cut might be Showbiz & AG's Represent or Main Source's Live at the BBQ. But then again there's so many good ones
Justin you cant forget about "How Many Mics"!Hands down my favorite track from The Score!! Lauren killed it ock!!!
In terms of posse cuts from the last decade "Really Doe" is at the top
Da Grand Finale by The D.O.C., Ice Cube, MC Ren, and Eazy-E is a dope posse cut.
yes! ive been a huge fugees fan. this is a great song
Bro you're maddd analytical. I'm too high for this shit right now
Definitely one of my all time favorites. Played it for my kids a couple weeks back trying to explain who Rah Digga is to them.
i thought everyone recognized this masterpeice. cowboys so damn visual. i feel like if videos werent so expensive back then, that cowboys would have a video.
the symphony is the greatest posse cut ever. kane in his prime.
Not mad at that.
The Company Man or dmx mase n the lox ni$$az done started something or stranded on death row---->yeezus (j hunt voice) but cant front, SLEPT on dis joint. lauryn n digga in n out flo rival kiss and styles!
Ppl don't know about The Head banger- Epmd,K-Solo and Redman
"Cowboys" is my favorite joint.
Cowboys is a straight up classic love it love it love it
John Forte was great on it.
Also, “Take it Outside” by Busta Rhymes and The Flipmode Squad was one of my favorite possee cuts. But “Buddy Remix” will always be possibly my favorite. “Adrenaline” by The Roots is made slept on too.
Lauryn Hill bodied that whole thing and its def a top 3 verse from her it might be my all time favorite. And this song is SOOO SLEPT on so thank you for making this vid!
My favorites are
Notorious BIG - Notorious Thugs
Wu Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M.
Fugues - Ready or Not
NWA - Straight Outta Compton
Jurassic 5 - Concrete Schoolyard
Man You also Have to make a piece on Lauryn Hill and Rah Digga On the Greatest Rapper Of All Time.
Any time there's a video praising Fugees I gotta rate it.
The Score's one of six all time favorite albums.
dis channel is steadily rowin. u gonna be bigger than the channel you left within a few years