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Tupac & De La Soul’s Forgotten Beef
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
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With De La Soul approaching a new album and the 2Pac biopic on the way, HipHopDX reflects back on the forgotten conflict between two unlikely opponents. This one played out on wax.
De La Soul saw what eventually would happen to hip hop at that time and they were ABSOLUTELY right.
What happened to Hip Hop was a direct reflection of everything that was going on in America: lawlessness from the White House to the ‘Hood. They just packaged the shit in CDs with beats and rhymes…
@@digitalScribr Ok.... *but even if you want to go with that philosophy,* that genre of HIP-HOP took over and was used against us! The BLACK experience isn't just about pure poverty, with nothin else of significance to rap about.
Plus...
not everyone was gang banging & drug sellin in the 90's & 80's, like America was some crime ridden WASTE LAND.
The real issue....
Street Life Hip-Hop became OVER GLAMORIZED and like Dre said himself "Makes a gang of snaps!"
@@invisiblerevolution well said Doom!!
De La Who🥱🥱
@@gangstamack8397 cornball
All respect to 2Pac... but who the hell gets mad at De La Soul??????
An emo, paranoid-ass nigga like Pac would.
John Martinez
LMAO
John Martinez a drama queen like 2pac
A bi-polar personality with a complex and need for constant attention. I luv Pac but, let's be honest, he was a drama queen
De La Soul NEVER had beef with nobody but Pac. Of course Pac didn't know how to be neutral he was always an emotional somebody..
Tupac said, "I remember Raw, BigDaddy Kane, when De La Soul was putting potholes in the game."
What More can i say, i wouldnt be here today, in the old school didnt pave the way... one of the best pac track
I cant explain how it was
Stakes Is High is like the Musicians favorite De La Soul Album, because when that came out it inspired a whole new movement in Rappers, and Producers into going in an alternative direction with their art form without being lame, and to speak out against the B.S. in the communities and how it's glorified in the hip hop world.
Exactly.
👍
De la is dead is my favorite
This sounds like something I wrote...word for word, bar for bar, flow for flow
I think ”Against All Odds" is more than a diss track...PAC laid out and summed up the last 2years of his life from the time before he got shot at quad to the time he joined DeathRow.
Truly Epic!
Incredible song. I was thinking, damn, this is the truest shit he ever wrote. :)
that track goes soo deep
+kweli05 😂😂😂
All truth! I'm from Vegas graduated in 97. PAC loved it here. He would let us teens in to see him at club 662 and we weren't even old enough. I was one of the people in the long line following him to the club the night of his fatality. You had to be here to see how really odd the night ended up. Against all odds breaks all of his anger down from the day he got shot. Ain't too many can challenge that track. PAC could REALLY BATTLE if need be. Legend in his own lane.
jesse in my opinion the greatest diss track in the history of hip hop but you right it some up his life within those two moments and when you look at it from that angle it makes it truly epic!!!
De La Soul are the real legends. I don't care what anyone says. The track record speaks for itself.
Tupac is a real legend too 👍🏿
😂😂😂
Pac a 🐐💯🤷🏾♂️
@@oaklandsoldier8520 no disrespect, but pac is not anywhere near De La level.
@mheberling5939 We will agree to disagree. Have a nice evening buddy.
De La 30 years in the game and still innovating. Where everyone else at?
I love their new album.
famous dex > de la soul
The Rich Rose well Pac is dead
LL living well, so are Dre and Snoop
They didn't have the money to make their new record,they raise the money from fans.Pretty ironic.
De La Soul was also going at BIGGIE and Puffy on that Stakes is High track
yes they were sir
culturefreedom89 oh they did haha a lot!!! of NY artist were like that. That was the difference on the West we name names and a lot of times thats the reason the outcome was the way it was. Biggie was the god of sneak dissin him and Jay
Tasteticles say what?
87er _ I'm sick of bitches shaking asses sick of versace glasses...
87er _ facts
De La Soul = Hip Hop Legends
Damn who Tupac didn’t have a problem with?
Wu-Tang Clan
haha. real recognizes real.
Everybody that's why hes dead
Naughty by nature, Big Syke, Rappin 4 Tay, Wu Tang, Redman, Outlawz, Nate Dogg, Spice 1, Daz dillinger, Kurupt, DJ Quik etc.
The Crips took care of all his problems.
There is kinda proof that pac liked de la soul, because he mentions them in that song Old School on me against the world
"...when de la soul was puttin' potholes in the game..." people forgot that line.
@Adrian Flores people forgot or dont know that he was only in his early 20s...plus he felt like people were always going after him. Law enforcement has harassed him and his family since he was born. Later on, it was his people (African American men) that robbed him and shot 5 times. At that point, he didn't know who to trust. So there are alot reasons. A lot people and uninformed "fans" just see Pac and think of hit em up and deathrow...he was much more that that...
Yeah
Now I'm not for the violence in hip hop, but I liked that rappers would actually confront the artist if they have a problem. Today, rappers take to twitter.
People live longer that way. It's like the old man in Friday said, everybody's afraid to take an ass whippin'. Now they have twitter so they can do it from afar.
That "Watch Ya Mouth" is the most underrated diss song ever. I heard it was suppose to be on Makaveli album. I wish it would have made it on album. People need to go hear that song.... One of the best diss tracks ever.
"De La got a problem with this hard shit. Ever since Me, Myself, and I, ya'll been garbage. (You know I'm telling the truth.) I'ma keep it real, show you how it feels to ride! You niggas went 3 feet and stopped rising. (I ain't seen shit!)"
+Kennedy Williamson thats a great song that people should listen to
It is, on the first version of the album. The 3 Day Theory.
Don't forget "Friends" (OG) either, even though it's a love song he still disses Dre and Jay.
that was good but I have to go with "Holla at me" I heard he wrote that on a 20 minute drive lol
Sounds like De La was experts at sneak dissing..
wow - "sneak dissing" - moron!!
Even though I LOVE DE LA SOUL, you're right, they were clever with "side dissin'".
De La Soul meant every diss they threw out. I don’t think they would look for beef with any particular artist but the shots were aimed at the state of hip hop overall. I’m only mad that they didn’t stand on it when confronted.
confronted by a guy who thinks hes a blood and shooting around cops, and starting shit with basically everyone he should have avoided?
@@chrisschneider850Pac was a blood?
@@chrisschneider850 don't talk shit let them rest in peace
De La Soul saw the writing on the wall with Bad Boy, Puffy, and Tupac. Stakes is High was a year before Biggie and Tupac were killed. Just sayin..
When so called rap music came out it was hard guys pretending to be soft and then it turned the other way around.
Pretty prophetic. Luckily De La was smart enough not to hang with crews likely to get into gunfights. They're still around and have plenty of love and respect. I think they made the right decision.
@@Billkwando De La Soul was actually infamous for getting into violent brawls with other crews back on the 90s lol. Just ask Naughty by Nature
Stakes is High came out a week after Pac died
@@lukejones7164 ♫Instigated a brawl, so we put our knuckles on stun and made'em all fall....then we just left.♫ ;)
I appreciate your recognition of "Stakes is High". Even though the love for "3 Feet high and Rising" has a lot of justice both in the street and the mainstream. But De La is so off the charts creative I will admit there are tracks I simply don't like and one's I can't live without. As a life long De La fan I kept finding myself gravitating to Stakes. I think Stakes hit the underground harder than any of their previous albums. I think their flow was more perfected by then. The one mistake I think too many people make is everyone gravitates to almost everyone's 1st album as "the one" but I think that is a massive discredit to the artists. True there is a nostalgia for that 1st time you ever hear something new and great but artists evolve. Especially the ones that are true artists and not just riding on their 1st hit track. No one of this planet call say De La rode anything. They always kept workin and they always have something fresh and original. Someone asked me if I watched the American music awards earlier this year... My response was "I'm sick of half ass award shows, sick of name brand clothes."
Tupac got the 3 best diss songs in rap history if you ask me .. "Hit em up " , "against all odds" , "bomb first "
u forgot "Watch ya mouth"
make that 4... you left out Watch Ya Mouth
+Ro Have no chill Lol you can't get any disrespectful than that. Pac was in killer mode in that golden age diss!
+Dari Bn what about "all out OG " that jay z diss ... He slaughter jay z in that
+Dari Bn huh
Ok, ok ok.. "Hit Em Up" was a classic and scathing diss song, and "Against All Odds" was also incredible. But that "When We Ride On Our Enemies" is also nothing to sneeze at either.
Nothing touches watch ya mouth
L2TheFace Bars Cool. I'm gonna have to reacquaint myself with that one. I can't remember it right off hand.
Let's not forget Bomb First..
+Amrit Gosal to me...that was the hardest track on that album..the intro...and the dope bass line...dope
Mhmm
This guy missed the fact that pac said in an interview that de la soul made a comment about hard music like 2pacs. Pac said something along the lines of " don't come around here rapping about peace when you have net been around holding it down for hip hop like we have been with that hard ish."
Pac was a lame
@@sleepydean781you mad you corny
This guy is thorough. Good stuff
about as thorough as Fox News
masta ace ended up making a whole satirical gangsta rap album without getting in trouble
Remember Black Sheep's "U MEAN I'M NOT?" LMAO
I was more partial to De la soul than PAC.
Yea you know, that NYC arty, bohemian, intellectual, Native Tongues shit.
PAC was great, no doubt....but couldn't tell when he was conscious or gangsta....he was a paradox.
True and didn't he used to claim his music wasn't gangsta rap idk man
Selling drugs and killing black males is pro-system but the black panthers were anti-system, which is what his mother represented.
Hahaha what a bullshiit
@@zxcccccc1 Peace. Absolutely no question you are 1000% correct ..
De La Soul are one of the greatest and most groundbreaking groups in hip hop history but it is a fact that they use to always send subliminal and sometimes wide open shots at rappers who were into street life or materialism.
PAC was a passionate dude, I think in due time he would reconcile even w the worst of people he had issues w because he had soo much love for peeps, and saw their true Shine !
"Talk about renassaince, don't let that be as your comeback" - Tupac, Last Interview
That's good stuff my man. You got chops. Respect due. Earned my subscription.
Thank you!
You had your intuitions and perceptions but you based it on real evidence. Real journalism like it should be. Need more of that in this extremely high information age. Thank you.
Exactly what I thought my man. Checked a couple of videos, and this guy knows his shit. Very intresting to watch ur videos. Keep it up my man
Tupac was 50 cent in the 90's beefing with everybody!
Or 50 cent is Tupac beefing with everybody in the 2000s
At least De La Soul didn't sellout to Gangsta Rap like Tupac did.
Nice joke hahaha
2Pac got the lead in Juice because of his friendship with Treach. Pac went with Treach to Treach's audition to play Bishop. The director asked Pac to read and he got the part. Their friendship is well documented you just have to look a little deeper.
At the time in 1996 2 Pac thought that a lot of people were his enemies such as biggie who really were his friends, so yes I think that he would have tripped on De la soul.
De la soul were sneak dissing and the public didn't catch it.
Ya know the older I get the more I find issue and shortcomings from 2pac's music. What attracted me to it when I was younger was the intense passion and vitality coming from Pac's voice and lyricism, but as I mature a lot of it comes off as uninspired vitriol. After his masterpiece, Me Against the World, his lyrics became so heavily wrapped around feuding with other rappers and less about the music. And let's be real here, Pac did not have an ear for beats. When he was at his best lyrically he was pure fire but the beats almost never reached those same heights.
He had Jonny J and Daz Dillinger for beats. If he would've lived through 2000's who knows what kinda sound he would've had.
He gave a shot out to De La Soul on Me Against the World- Ol Skool
Kwame Gray Na, it was a diss not a shout out. quote " back when de la soul was puttin pot holes in tha game"
I was talking about when he said that on Me Against the World song Ol skool
Kwame Gray yea me too. my fav PAC album. go back & listen closely.
KiNG HURT 410 It wasn’t a diss. The whole song Pac is paying homage to Old School New York hip hop. The line “Putting potholes in the game” is a reference to De La’s song “Potholes in my Lawn.”
I grew up off both. Tupac inspired me to be a revolutionary.
cool
After watching this im thinking DE LA SOUL might be the G.O.A.T. of hip hop groups
Great Video.... The best video I've seen all week.
Thank you for checking it!
By Far, best video I've seen in a while *JUST HIT SUBSCRIBE* I'm definitely copping that album and Yes I think Pac would have probably did something with em. Pac probably would have kept the game afloat. Now we have to rely on Drake. How can that ever be right?
The Art Of Dialogue Fuck you and your hating ass channel
As much as I love De La, I always felt like they were the kings of subliminals; Jay-Z has since taken the crown.
Saw this on my recommendations list which i really don't pay attention to.. But love your professionalism and personality, definitely subbing!
De La Soul Is Dead is the most underrated Hip Hop album ever. All the new guys that are supposedly bringing hip hop to the next level are only picking up the mantle that De La Soul left, many years after the fact.
Revolution On A Recliner I agree, still sounds fresh as does License to Ill.
Pharcyde shit on de la soul
Kids under the stairs shits on de la
@@jgvtc559 we all have our preferences and favorites. I think De La Soul were a cut above the rest.
Jason G the Pharcyde really had potential to be a top 5 group imo but after Fatlip was dismissed after their 2nd album it was a wrap for that. De La has at least 4 straight classics from the jump
Damn they beat me to the punch. I was going to go over this beef. I just knew dude was going to miss some things but he pretty much got everything. De La Soul was also doing interviews in magazines talking against gangsta rap. Good job tho.
nd
Another thing he got wrong was that pac and kool g rap were not on good terms...that larry holmes line was for kool g...
I think Pac and De La Soul could have collaborated after straightening out the misunderstanding. I know Pac was talking about releasing an album called "One Nation", which featured all East Coast artists (Nice and Smooth, Smiff N Wesson, Buckshot, Big Daddy Kane, etc). I know he wanted all that drama (East Coast vs. West Coast) at that time to stop. He even squashed beefs/misunderstandings he had with other artists like Chino XL and Nas, so the idea of him working with De La doesn't seem that far fetched.
I totally agree, Against All Odds is Pac's most damaging diss track he ever did.
Tretch taking things very personal for 2pac only adds to the rumor that they were down-low buddies. Both had high feminine energy and acted as such.
De La Soul was ahead of it's time and tried to preserve Hip-Hop and keep it on the path that was originally intended.
Tupac and Treach appear together in ‘Juice’, they were real homies.
I like how you pulled everything together. Well researched IMO. Thanks!
Good shit! Never knew this!
I've downloaded at least 15 90s albums because of this channel. Thank You.
I got em ALL. Unreleased and released. I won't tell you how i got them. 2Pac tracks all day.
Pac and De La would be an awkward collab.
Unless they did a party jam like Pac did with Digital Underground.
Journal Wright just like em and Kanye/Drizzy
This is my new favorite channel. Without a doubt an instant sub.
Thank you!
i love them pics in the back, where do i find them? want to print out to hang on my room
Tupac said De La was coming out with some "Renaissance shit and tryna clean up Hip Hop."
That was "old school." That was the joint that came out after "ego tripping." It was an olive branch. Just learned about that one yesterday. I'll add a link in the bio. It's another reason for Pac to be even more upset.
Well didn't 2Pac say he was trying to clean up the streets and help the community. He really contradicted himself sometimes.
if Tupac was still alive he definitely would have ran up on them on stage and it will be on RUclips. but years later just like just like Naughty by Nature made amends with them I'm sure an older Tupac would have too
I agree. Pac made up with Nas before they beefed. The same would've happened here.
Plus you're not going to get any street cred talking SHIT to De LA Soul
At least you answered the question. I agree. ☺
PAC a beast lol not one rapper today is even close . Why cuz he kept it honest with his fans and never lost himself . How everybody has from his time to now . Truly a real dude
lmao he was a rapper, stop talking about him like he malcomn x or something ,he was just a rapper
he was much more than rapper. So much ahead of his time it's incredible.
Plenty of them
+FatherBud but non with the same power in their music . Name me another artist with music as strong
I can tell. That's why their discography is full of classics and they're household names. ...
Don't know if you know but in Naughty by Nature's video for "Uptown Anthem" Pac makes a mean cameo and Treach gets a little revenge from Juice. Also Pac sampled Uptown Anthem for the song "Bomb 1st" another hard ass diss. You prolly already know this Im just putting it out there for those who don't. #PACallday
Dope. Thanks for pointing that out.
I love this video man, their is so much information.. I think Pac and De La Soul wouldve squashed it if 2pac were still alive. Pac would need all the help he can get to overthrow this so called hip hop that they call "mumble rap"
yo thanks for the up.load great video
Ok subscribed! Love the presentation style
Themaskedtalker thank you!
I could be wrong but I remember in the Vibe interview Pac was saying that when he was in New York jail they use to play a underground rap station. And he heard De La taking about using guns or dissing him. either the Vibe or source interview.
love these videos with old school info.
keep em up yall
Love Pac like a big brother and I never knew about this beef, thanks for the knowledge homie.
I have always said that Against All Odds was the greatest battle rap song of all time... He came at like 9 people on that song. it didn't come at Jay-Z on Against All Odds that was bomb first... it was a classic battle beat and you know he was telling the truth for my soul. very gripping and visual imagine someone tell you " load em up against the wall closes eyes since you lie, you died... Goodbye" and notice he didn't come at biggie on Against All Odds either. he told Puffy " tell them people you roll with whatever you want but you are not know what's going on, don't we?
I still remember being in my cousin's room with all our friends, smoking an El and tripping to this record!! We must've played it on repeat like 20x. We couldn't believe ANYONE could just go so hard on a record!! That and No Vaseline raised the bar for diss records.
That shit is not the best 😂😂😂 it’s a ballerina acting gangster when he was a native tongue rapper before being a fake gangster lol man first albums didn’t go nowhere only until he put on a gangster act and non body in nyc took him serious he got shot 5 times for acting G and raped in jail .. can’t be talking like pac used too with no consequences even the cali dudes say he had a big mouth lol don’t praise a loud mouth
WHERE did you get those posters in the background!!!???
Love your T-Shirt!!!
Who runs up on De La Soul tho lol Minus 3 gangsta points that is light picking on the quiet kid in chess club in high school
LMAO
De La speak on this.. they aint anti violence and quite happy to swing on dudes. They arent pacifists.
In fact they even got a jam on it.. i forget the track
@@JackyTMusic also we're tight with the Violators Crew
I think Pac would have made up with everybody including his once bone man Biggie. I feel this deep in my bones, the One Nation project would have built bridges to salvation. Miss you Pac everyday!
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What an awesome channel! Well delivered and informative content! Subscribed
The way he put the XTRA on Pacs Flabby & sick is the way everyone felt about that line. Cold ass visual.
Good video, this dude that's speaking is great.
he didn't pass away when makeveli was released he was makeveli and he died before all eyes on me was released and never had gotten a chance to see it go double platinum
Fantastic video!
Well done video. I can't believe this is the first time I'm seeing you. Subscribed!
Against all odds and Troublesome 96 were better than hit em up to me. I love 2Pac's art regardless, I got all his albums, including the posthumous ones, compilations and soundtracks!
Yes, they would've definitely collaborated. Remember did love De La Soul, on the track "Old School" from the Me Against the World album, there was a shout out to De La Doul. "...When De La Soul was puttin Potholes in the game..." Pac didnt initiate this beef, he only responded to indirect shots perceived at him. Check out Pacs Aug 24 1996 interview, he talks about it.
This was fascinating! I want more videos like this!
Where can I get those pics framed in the back round ?
De La Soul just came out with another Brilliant album and they have always been true to who they are.Pac first was in a arts academy and studied acting with Jada Smith and then was making joke rap for digital underground,then came out and decided to be a poet and was nice with the pen and the story telling.But was he a real gangster or just doing gangster rap.De La has always been a NYC rap group you only say what is real.
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That's a quality assessment. I think Pac's always been a revolutionary, regardless of how it was presented as he evolved.
7thvenom Listen to the original "R U Still down" track from 2pac (not the one with Jon B). Before he went more commercial with AEOM and before he released DK7.
This is a more true reflection of the person and artist he was and who he was becoming.
Any rapper will say he love Pac. Since he is the peoples champ and god like figure in projects worldwide.
nah
Steffen Flindt talk is cheap
Very rarely do i like videos, but this one is gold...thx for the great content
Brilliant video. Great insight to something I had never paid any attention to.
3:52
Nice reference. Whatever happened to the EEEmmmmCCCcceeeee...
sorry but I gotta disagree my Brother....the message intro was the best intro. You have a valid reason to say that tho. it was super dope.
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this is a fantastic breakdown
You funny as shit
Thank you.
+HipHopDX Whats the name of the background instrumental?
Joy Aviles How funny is shit?
ThaHiddenHand very
I wanna see a compilation of Justin just saying "Let's break it down," "Yeezus!" and "Greatest of all time!"
Clash of the Titans!
Great video, and sick content, Justin. Mad love and I will be watching from now on.
The way u described Breakadawn was poetic n u earned yaself a sub man!
Also not to be forgotten: De La Soul was one of the 1st groups / rappers that was Not involved directly in the beef to speak up and give their opinion on Pac + deathrow east / west. And it was not favorable, they did in fact take a shot in the magazine.. source or vibe can't recall.
I heard that Larry holmes line was directed at kool g rap.
It was.
Rico Salvaje lol
Naw
These breakdown videos are dope af bro salute
Thank you!
This was well put together and very educational. I’m glad it popped up. Keep up the great work
Yea I remember hearing pac diss DeLa. Lol that hurt my soul lol
greatest album intro is mobb deep, on the infamous
kahlildopeboi dopeboimagic no he didn’t
@kahlildopeboi dopeboimagic fuck outta here they destroyed Pac with drop a gem on them all Tupac said was a little elementary school joke about Prodigy having sickle cell Pac got destroyed by them & the crips literally
wizkid8205 destroyed ?? You reaching b
wizkid8205 that was 1 song n against all odds n bomb first bodied everybody n my favorite rappers are eazy e n Soulja slim
@@Moneymaker600 speak English
nice reference to Tupac's "i aint mad at cha". Right before the beat kicks in he says, "I got nothin but love for ya, do your thang boy". I love a good tupac reference. nice one
Great video!!!
I don't think that Pac would've collaborated with De La Soul after what happened. He was way too paranoid and caught in the East West mindset at the end of it. As if he would've worked with East cost artists like that.
That's a great point. Too many strikes.
No true, Tupac and Nas squashed there beef. And they was suppose to meet up and talk again. But Pac died in Vegas.
InYaGirlOvaries Nothing what you said gives us any valuable information about Pac collaborating COLLABORATING with east coast artists. Oh and Nas and Pac didn't had "beef" like that
Look at his last interview where he talks about deathrow east and how was playing chess??? He didn't look paranoid to me??
whats with One Nation and Bootcamp Click?
If think if Pac would have lived they would have collaborated, and I also think Native Tongue and NWA family album would have been the shit.
Great channel
Nice Video & Presentation.