Finally,....! A well thought out approach. I went back and forth on this and did the same thing...calculated my height, average climbing height 20-22' at foot level and tree circumference. I have been using a 35' piece, because I do sometimes want the flexibility of hunting a tad bit higher. Great video and well explained.
Very good explanation. I started with 30' last year and it's worked well for me. When you're feet are actually at 20' on your platform (not a guestimate) only then can you say what will work for you. Shot angle and "personal height comfort" are also considerations. Good job!
Thanks for the info! I appreciate it, late start on the season but I know what approach to saddle hunting when I do start and I had a few areas of information to still cover. Thanks for getting that info for me!
Again, I enjoy your thorough presentations. I wish you would try out SRT (single rope technique) and provide your comments on that. You probably have all the gear - except maybe a throw ball, hand ascender a pulley and a foot sling. Set aside the one stick for a bit in the off season and try out just climbing the rope. One could argue a safer, simpler and easier method.
Hey man thx for stopping in! And thx for the kindness. I have though about it, and maybe one day I will. I need to just go visit the New york guys to give me a boost.
For those worried about outclimbing your rope, don't drop your stick to the ground when descending. You can "outclimb" your rope but then descend as far as possible, then remount your stick/aiders and use them to get the rest of the way down or get back on your stick,put your lineman belt on and the pull down your rappel rope, re-rig it and the rappel the rest of the way down. IN SHORT: Don't toss your stick and have a linesman belt. You'll be fine if things get a little sideways.
So funny, I was just searching for this on saddle forums! Thank you for the video. I've order 40' of canyon C IV but it hasn't arrived yet and idk if it ever will. Out of stock everywhere else unless you want 100'. I have a muddy safety line, 10mm that I have never used and was thinking about using that until I get something better. It's only 30' though but I only hunt 18-20'. So I'm pretty sure that will do. Thanks again!
You can definitely use a 10mm rope, but it's going to be a pain in the butt to pack, even at only 30'. The canyon C-IV packs away in a much smaller bundle and is easier to deal with in a mobile hunting set up. Eastern Woods Outdoors had the canyon in stock recently, not sure if they still do. If by chance you ordered rope from Sound Boat Works, just cancel you order. It ain't ever coming. Trust me.
@@Waty8413 Dang well my order was with Sound Boatworks...I was wondering about them but they were replying to my questions about shipping my order. I've been waiting a few weeks. EWO was out of stock of c iv and canyon elite but I just checked today and they have canyon elite. So I am trying to cancel my order and order through EWO since I know they are legit. Thanks for the heads up!
Great video. I started out with carrying 40' of rope. I recently just bought new ropes to cut down on weight and decided to go with only 30'. I also tested a method that would still allow me to go way higher if I wanted it just takes a bit of time but you come down and reset at a lower height then repel down the rest of the way. Its not ideal but it makes me more comfortable to know I can if that need arises. Most of the trees I climb here are oaks so being able to go over 25' doesnt happen often and the pines that I can climb that high start out way bigger diameter then I want to climb.
@@platinumpursuitoutdoors All you do is drop down and set your platform lower down. then use your lineman's rope to secure yourself while you retrieve your rappel rope like if you were on the ground. Then set the rappel rope at the lower elevation rappel down from that point. Its kind of like your normal move with one stick but going down. I tried it one day while practicing and only used a 10' tether and climbed 18' up. Wanted to see if it would work and how complicated it would be.
About the scaffold knot, I have tried to tie it incorrectly. And I still can't figure out how that is possible. If you use the tag end to do your wraps and feed the tag and through the wraps, it seems impossible to tie it incorrectly. Am I incorrect about this?
Why do you use the triangular quick link vs. the oval? I have several oval shaped, but no triangular, should I switch to this for my hitch? What is the advantage? Also, thank you for the explanation, saving 6 feet of rope you are never going to use sounds like a no brainer. I don't think it would apply to me as I use a roll up pouch and only drop the rope on the decent anyway.
I got the triangle one because that was what was available when I got it. I do have an oval one also, but I think I like the triangle one better because I feel like it releases from the tree a little bit easier.
@@platinumpursuitoutdoors I do really appreciate you doing this video it may have saved a life or prevented serious injury to someone...well done brother
This is great. I initially went with 40' of Sterling C-IV Canyon rope to begin with. For me I am also around 18-22' hunting height and being 5'9", 40' of rope was just way too much. A couple of days ago I ordered 30' of the Canyon Elite and am looking forward to seeing how that will work out. I am also going to mark off 1' marks at the end just for a visual. Your videos are great and i feel they address questions that aren't normally discussed in many of the other popular watched videos. Thanks.
Man should I buy the method2 xl starter kit or just get the saddle..i don't really know what all I need to get started..ik I wanna one stick w that angled platform from eastern and I want the method 2 xl..so what ropes do I need I'm so confused lol
Ok so… you need to look into a lineman’s rope and a tree tether. Depending on how high you hunt depends on how much rope you need. Let me know if I can help anymore.
Did you ever end up putting a carabiner on the end of your rappel rope to haul your pack up? I am considering that modification myself, but need to see how much effort it is to wind the rope back up once my pack is on my gear tether. I have just been wearing my pack up when climbing with sticks and using paracord to haul my bow up once I am situated. Thanks for the videos, and stay safe out there!
I definitely think this is a thing that guys that make one-sticking content don't talk about and they should. I hunt Eastern Pa and I'm fully satisfied at 18' to my feet, I realistically don't see a need to hunt any higher. With that being said, for me personally, the 4' of rope you're going to be cutting off is negligible and I would just leave it on. The only thing I think where that 4' could be useful is if you are hunting on a slope and your tree is leaning down the slope a little, If you're rappelling down and you happen to fall to the low side of the tree, you could be utilizing that to rappel down the slope. Is it realistic that you're going to need that 4'? Who's to say, but like I said, for me its negligible and Id rather have it and not need it, then not have it. Party on, Wayne.
I hunt 30-40' with my rifle in my climbing stand. It is amazing how much more you see at that height. With my saddle I have 4, 30" sticks with aiders. My platform ends up 21 - 25'. I am looking to cut more weight so I am strongly considering one sticking. If I like it I may end up with a JX3 for rifle hunting and getting 40' up using SRT or One sticking.
One must like blood trailing for days if they hunt 30 feet high or more. Your chance for a fast, ethical kill shot decreases the higher you go. I like to keep it under 20 feet, and for my deer to fall over dead within 100 yards, which is a challenge in and of itself. I want to be packing out the meat that day/night, not the next day or next morning.
Meh…6ft is like 2oz of rope. If you leave that 6ft on, after a couple of years when the rope starts to get worn on the end you can cut that 6ft off and have a nice rope that’s still long enough.
I think I rather SRT 1st before 1 stick. Coming from a multiple stick guy and sure many watching this.. Think about it you have all the rappel gear for it. Why bring any sticks. Remember when DRT thing was promoted all over RUclips and the forums. Now look how dead it got. Same goes for the 1 sticking that's why I never really liked it. Back when I saw diysportsman do it I was like I gotta try this. Did this with muddy stick like everyone else. Now it's just like meh
I get it… Problem is some of the trees I hunt don’t have any reachable limbs. Or the limbs that they have are 30+ feet. So you limit yourself in that method of climbing. I think one sticking will stay around. I think the percentage of times that I will use it verses using my sticks will vary as well. I think the DIY Sportsman said he uses 80% sticks and 20% one sticking. It just varies.
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Finally,....! A well thought out approach. I went back and forth on this and did the same thing...calculated my height, average climbing height 20-22' at foot level and tree circumference. I have been using a 35' piece, because I do sometimes want the flexibility of hunting a tad bit higher. Great video and well explained.
Nice! Thx
Very good explanation. I started with 30' last year and it's worked well for me. When you're feet are actually at 20' on your platform (not a guestimate) only then can you say what will work for you. Shot angle and "personal height comfort" are also considerations. Good job!
Agreed and thanks for stopping in!
And I, lately, have been wondering this same thing. Thanks.
Hey no prob! Good luck to you!
This was a great video for us newbies. Great stuff!!
Thx man.
Thanks for the info! I appreciate it, late start on the season but I know what approach to saddle hunting when I do start and I had a few areas of information to still cover. Thanks for getting that info for me!
Yeppers!
In Missouri there is huge hills where the edge of the bed, 20 ft your 10 ft above deer eye level.
Again, I enjoy your thorough presentations. I wish you would try out SRT (single rope technique) and provide your comments on that. You probably have all the gear - except maybe a throw ball, hand ascender a pulley and a foot sling. Set aside the one stick for a bit in the off season and try out just climbing the rope. One could argue a safer, simpler and easier method.
Hey man thx for stopping in! And thx for the kindness. I have though about it, and maybe one day I will. I need to just go visit the New york guys to give me a boost.
For those worried about outclimbing your rope, don't drop your stick to the ground when descending. You can "outclimb" your rope but then descend as far as possible, then remount your stick/aiders and use them to get the rest of the way down or get back on your stick,put your lineman belt on and the pull down your rappel rope, re-rig it and the rappel the rest of the way down. IN SHORT: Don't toss your stick and have a linesman belt. You'll be fine if things get a little sideways.
Good thoughts!
Or just move your tether down before you start to descend
Good job on a good topic. Enjoy watching your videos.
Thx man!
Great video! Thank you
Your welcome!
Great job, no one addressed this …. I agree with the length. Absolutely no need for 40 feet, 30 “net” is just right for me.
Yes sir!
@@platinumpursuitoutdoors can I ask what rope you use to rappel?
@joec33 I use the Canyon Elite and Canyon C-IV. The C-IV is a stiffer rope.
Ok cool, thanks
So funny, I was just searching for this on saddle forums! Thank you for the video. I've order 40' of canyon C IV but it hasn't arrived yet and idk if it ever will. Out of stock everywhere else unless you want 100'. I have a muddy safety line, 10mm that I have never used and was thinking about using that until I get something better. It's only 30' though but I only hunt 18-20'. So I'm pretty sure that will do. Thanks again!
Hey sweet! Good luck to you!
You can definitely use a 10mm rope, but it's going to be a pain in the butt to pack, even at only 30'. The canyon C-IV packs away in a much smaller bundle and is easier to deal with in a mobile hunting set up. Eastern Woods Outdoors had the canyon in stock recently, not sure if they still do. If by chance you ordered rope from Sound Boat Works, just cancel you order. It ain't ever coming. Trust me.
Hate to hear about your luck. Thx for the heads up!
@@Waty8413 Dang well my order was with Sound Boatworks...I was wondering about them but they were replying to my questions about shipping my order. I've been waiting a few weeks. EWO was out of stock of c iv and canyon elite but I just checked today and they have canyon elite. So I am trying to cancel my order and order through EWO since I know they are legit. Thanks for the heads up!
Nice
Great video. I started out with carrying 40' of rope. I recently just bought new ropes to cut down on weight and decided to go with only 30'. I also tested a method that would still allow me to go way higher if I wanted it just takes a bit of time but you come down and reset at a lower height then repel down the rest of the way. Its not ideal but it makes me more comfortable to know I can if that need arises. Most of the trees I climb here are oaks so being able to go over 25' doesnt happen often and the pines that I can climb that high start out way bigger diameter then I want to climb.
Nice!! Thanks for stopping in and good luck to you. You have to share your method with the rest of the world.
@@platinumpursuitoutdoors All you do is drop down and set your platform lower down. then use your lineman's rope to secure yourself while you retrieve your rappel rope like if you were on the ground. Then set the rappel rope at the lower elevation rappel down from that point. Its kind of like your normal move with one stick but going down. I tried it one day while practicing and only used a 10' tether and climbed 18' up. Wanted to see if it would work and how complicated it would be.
Gotcha. I have heard of people having that up there sleeve as an option, I just didn’t know what you did personally.
Great video!
Thx
been using the tethrd mantis with the api sticks. this looks way better than having to carry around 3-4 sticks
It definitely has an advantage!
Good stuff, Aaron! I've not pulled the trigger on one sticking yet but good to know.
Thx
About the scaffold knot, I have tried to tie it incorrectly. And I still can't figure out how that is possible. If you use the tag end to do your wraps and feed the tag and through the wraps, it seems impossible to tie it incorrectly. Am I incorrect about this?
@@TrappingTheMitten-JohnHowell yes that what I demonstrated in the video. I show the right and wrong way to do it. Good luck!!
Why do you use the triangular quick link vs. the oval? I have several oval shaped, but no triangular, should I switch to this for my hitch? What is the advantage? Also, thank you for the explanation, saving 6 feet of rope you are never going to use sounds like a no brainer. I don't think it would apply to me as I use a roll up pouch and only drop the rope on the decent anyway.
I got the triangle one because that was what was available when I got it. I do have an oval one also, but I think I like the triangle one better because I feel like it releases from the tree a little bit easier.
Would a bowling with a Yosemite finish work better than a scaffold knot
That I cannot comment on as I have no experience with that. Sorry.
@@platinumpursuitoutdoors I do really appreciate you doing this video it may have saved a life or prevented serious injury to someone...well done brother
Thx!
Nice video and great info.
Hey thx!
is there a better way to attatch your rope to the step than a cam cleat
I personally don’t know of one. The cam cleat is so easy.
This is great. I initially went with 40' of Sterling C-IV Canyon rope to begin with. For me I am also around 18-22' hunting height and being 5'9", 40' of rope was just way too much. A couple of days ago I ordered 30' of the Canyon Elite and am looking forward to seeing how that will work out. I am also going to mark off 1' marks at the end just for a visual. Your videos are great and i feel they address questions that aren't normally discussed in many of the other popular watched videos. Thanks.
Thx man! Feel free to pass it along. Appreciate the feedback!
Man should I buy the method2 xl starter kit or just get the saddle..i don't really know what all I need to get started..ik I wanna one stick w that angled platform from eastern and I want the method 2 xl..so what ropes do I need I'm so confused lol
Ok so… you need to look into a lineman’s rope and a tree tether. Depending on how high you hunt depends on how much rope you need. Let me know if I can help anymore.
Did you ever end up putting a carabiner on the end of your rappel rope to haul your pack up? I am considering that modification myself, but need to see how much effort it is to wind the rope back up once my pack is on my gear tether. I have just been wearing my pack up when climbing with sticks and using paracord to haul my bow up once I am situated. Thanks for the videos, and stay safe out there!
I haven’t yet. But am going to eventually
One question,
If I’m using a GriGri+ should o still use an autoblock?
Some do, I wouldn’t personally. But that’s just me.
I definitely think this is a thing that guys that make one-sticking content don't talk about and they should. I hunt Eastern Pa and I'm fully satisfied at 18' to my feet, I realistically don't see a need to hunt any higher. With that being said, for me personally, the 4' of rope you're going to be cutting off is negligible and I would just leave it on. The only thing I think where that 4' could be useful is if you are hunting on a slope and your tree is leaning down the slope a little, If you're rappelling down and you happen to fall to the low side of the tree, you could be utilizing that to rappel down the slope. Is it realistic that you're going to need that 4'? Who's to say, but like I said, for me its negligible and Id rather have it and not need it, then not have it. Party on, Wayne.
Those are some good thoughts, thx for the feedback!
I hunt 30-40' with my rifle in my climbing stand. It is amazing how much more you see at that height. With my saddle I have 4, 30" sticks with aiders. My platform ends up 21 - 25'. I am looking to cut more weight so I am strongly considering one sticking. If I like it I may end up with a JX3 for rifle hunting and getting 40' up using SRT or One sticking.
Nice man good luck!
Is scaffold knot essential? I have always used figure 8 is that not good enough
I have heard of people using the figure 8, But it does not hold the Delta link as securely and nice as the scaffold not.
One must like blood trailing for days if they hunt 30 feet high or more. Your chance for a fast, ethical kill shot decreases the higher you go. I like to keep it under 20 feet, and for my deer to fall over dead within 100 yards, which is a challenge in and of itself. I want to be packing out the meat that day/night, not the next day or next morning.
I like the 18-22’ range. 38’ high is a little high for me lol.
Good informational video. I went with 40 ft. Off of all the videos I watched but I could easily take 5-6 ft off.
I might take another three feet off. 30-31’ will suffice
Meh…6ft is like 2oz of rope. If you leave that 6ft on, after a couple of years when the rope starts to get worn on the end you can cut that 6ft off and have a nice rope that’s still long enough.
That’s one way you could look at it. Thx for stopping in.
I think I rather SRT 1st before 1 stick. Coming from a multiple stick guy and sure many watching this.. Think about it you have all the rappel gear for it. Why bring any sticks. Remember when DRT thing was promoted all over RUclips and the forums. Now look how dead it got. Same goes for the 1 sticking that's why I never really liked it. Back when I saw diysportsman do it I was like I gotta try this. Did this with muddy stick like everyone else. Now it's just like meh
I get it… Problem is some of the trees I hunt don’t have any reachable limbs. Or the limbs that they have are 30+ feet. So you limit yourself in that method of climbing. I think one sticking will stay around. I think the percentage of times that I will use it verses using my sticks will vary as well. I think the DIY Sportsman said he uses 80% sticks and 20% one sticking. It just varies.
New to the idea, and learned nothing from this video.
LOL. Thx for stopping in and good luck with your endeavors in learning about saddle hunting. It’s great.