Very nice! It looks like it scoots around very well out there and handles nicely! It looks great as well, seems like they did a good job on this one. Now if they would just show up over here! LOL! Take care David and thanks for getting it out and showing it off!
Hi Addam! It's pretty quick and drives real well. For most of the footage I had the throttle end point set around 70% just to make it easier to film whilst driving. It's very much like my old Lazer ZX-5. I really like the styling and those wheels finish it off nicely. 👍
The pink really pops. Photos and video do not do the color justice. Unfortunately, PS-29 does not stick well to the body.😩 I've since learned that it is a common issue with that color. The paint finish is almost like fine sand/sugar. It rubs off really easily. Such a shame as I would like to use the color more often. 😔 I've almost completely covered the inside of the shell in protective tape to try and add a little durability to the finish.
It does look good doesn't it! 😁 I'm a huge fan of the looks of the Dirt Cross. Those wheels finish the design off nicely. Big 👍 for Kyosho for making another retro styled "modern" chassis buggy.
A new video from Kai City RC, wohoo! Great to watch as always, David. And I will get one of these cars as soon as they become available here in Europe.
Great video as always from you, and looks like a cool buggy! He he, you got two body shells for it. It looks better than the Dirtmaster, but still I'd be more interested to see what aftermarket bodies appears, I'm sure Azarashi will have something soon...
I wasn't planning on getting a second body. But I had paint issues with the first, and couldn't be bothered stripping all the paint off to start again!
Looks great and drives really well. 👍 My only complaint, and it's a minor one, is the transmission is/was a little on the noisy side. But that's probably just due to me being so used the whisper quiet belt drive on the Yokomo 870c. 😁 That said, after about 15 mins of running, it did quieten down somewhat. 😊
Thanks! Yeah, the PS-29 paint did not adhere well to the body. I've since learned it is a common issue with that particular color. 😩 Rather than spend a load of time stripping the paint and starting again, I painted up a spare body that I picked up. The pink body has a ton of aluminum reinforcement tape plastered inside in an effort to preserve the finish.
My thoughts on that change on a daily basis! I'm not one for shelf queens and I try to run every buggy that I build, even if just once. But the MX-4 Forever is a very special machine. Still undecided. 🤔 If I did run it, I'd really like to install the "correct" electronics. Most notably that would mean finding a KO Propo Esprit stick type controller. Not an easy task nowadays!
Basically Kyosho took one of their older 4WD chassis (Lazer ZX-5), replaced (almost) all the alloy parts with (high quality) plastic to reduce cost, added a retro styled body & wheels and behold the Dirt Cross is born. Well, to give it its full name: Lazer SB Dirt Cross. They did the exact same thing with the Dirt Master, only with their older 2WD Ultima chassis. The Dirt Cross is now the second buggy in the SB Series. The Dirt Master has done really well here, so it was only a matter of time before we saw them follow a similar recipe to produce a 4WD version.
@KaiCityRC thanks for the low down. Both the kits we are talking about need to make it into my collection. I'm a tamiya guy, but they just look like they would be right at home there.
Awesome video David. You produce about the best RC footage. Surprised the car seems to have very little droop travel on suspension. It bottoms pretty hard and bounces off chassis. Are the shocks kit spec or did you go for a carpet setup?
Thanks for the kind words! 😊The suspension is all set up as per the manual, which I thought would be a good starting point as I plan to run it both outdoors and on carpet. There isn't a whole lot of droop with these settings, but with some changes you could get more suspension travel out of the stock components. I put 400 weight oil in the dampers and I had the ride height set pretty low for a better stance when filming, which didn't help. However, the bottom of the chassis is completely unmarked which leads me to think that it looks worse in the footage than it actually is. I have a set of Kyosho triple caps to install, but I wanted to run it (as close to) stock as possible for a fairer assessment. 👍
Hey David! Thanks for the insights. I’m building an OG ZX5 FS now and see the same lack of droop. The uni’s pull out of the diff cups if it goes too low. Anyway, is a great build and I look forward to running it!
Very nice video clip on this Kyosho Dirt Cross. My question: how do you usually handle the dirt coming into the spur gear from the bottom of the car? As it has an opening for the spur gear. Please let me know about this. Thanks.
Speaking from experience, I've found that it is better to do nothing! Dirt will get in. The plastic cover they give you doesn't do much to stop fine grit, soil etc for entering the spur area. Before my first run on a gritty dirt track (video on my channel) I put tape over the hole beneath the spur thinking that would help. It actually made things worse, as grit/gravel stuck to the top of the tape and was then scooped up by the spur! 😩 Lesson learnt. If you do go the tape route, you need to make sure the side of the tape nearest the rotating spur is not sticky. Also, stating the obvious, but don't put any kind of grease on the spur. At the end of the day, if you have a buggy with an exposed spur gear and run on dirt/gravel, then it's probably best to think of spurs as consumable parts and stock up on spares. 👍 I run mine until the spur is completely torn up, which could be quite a while depending on how often/where you run, and then replace as necessary.
@KaiCityRC Thanks a lot for your prompt reply. What about for instance Team Losi 4WD (22X-4 Elite), which also has a Center Differential Gear, do You think this dirt/dust can also damage the Gear (center diff)? I am planning to buy Shaft Driven either Kyosho Dirt Cross or Team Losi. Thanks for your views.
@@patrickgodwin6115 I've no experience with the Losi (indeed, they're very, very rare over here!) so can't comment on that particular machine. At the end of the day, dust/grit/dirt will always find a way onto the gears unless you have a completely sealed gearbox. I routinely apply anti wear grease to any gearbox casings during assembly as it acts as a sort of gasket, but nevertheless dirt sometimes makes it way in. I wouldn't really worry about it too much and just treat spurs like tires - replace as a when needed. 👍
Hi there! Thanks for watching! 😊 I recall seeing a couple of Dirt Cross kits at Carnosa Fumotto during the Grand Opening a few weeks ago. I don't know if they still have them now.
Alas, my editing skills are nowhere near good enough to pull that off. 😅 I painted up a second body as the pink PS-29 paint did not adhere well to the body (a known issue with that color) and I couldn't be bothered to spend ages stripping the paint off and repainting it. 😁
@@KaiCityRC I tend to have two bodies for all my cars, a runner shell and one for display, because none of my cars are shelf queens (and I only run outdoors in the UK) but I do like them to look good on the shelf!
Great video - wonder how it compares out of the box to most 'modern' of the legendary series (eg a Mid)? Based on a more recent chassis so would it be more capable generally?
Im at Carnosa RC Park’s indoor carpet track today with the Dirt Cross. It’s been quite a while since I ran any vintage release on a carpet track. But to me the Dirt Cross feels way more capable (box stock) than my Mid ever did. And it certainly handles better than the Super Dog Fighter. There’s some body roll in the corners and the diffs would benefit from some tuning. Considering its price point, overall I’m very impressed with the Dirt Cross both on dirt and carpet. 👍
I'm currently away from home, so unable to check. But pinion size will depend on some many factors - where you run, surface type, motor, battery, runt times etc. I'd start with the kit supplied one (I think it's around 24T or so) and go from there.
I'm not really in a position to give a fair assessment as I didn't build a kit ZX-5 back in the day. At the time I was heavily into nitro/on road. But I did pick up ZX-5 Readyset (RTR) for casual use. In a lot of ways that was exactly like this Dirt Cross. The Dirt Cross shares the same general design and a lot of the plastic parts appear to be identical. There are some key differences though - most notably being a lack of universals/CVD's, gear diffs instead of balls and all plastic shocks. It has been a few years since I ran my ZX-5, but to the best of my recollection this new Dirt Cross drives and performs much like it. 👍 That said, unless you're a very skilled driver I don't think the Dirt Cross would be competitive against modern high end 4WD's. Yokomo's M.O. or Associated B74, for example, are better performers and certainly more durable and crash resilient. But they are also considerably more expensive.
Very nice! It looks like it scoots around very well out there and handles nicely! It looks great as well, seems like they did a good job on this one. Now if they would just show up over here! LOL! Take care David and thanks for getting it out and showing it off!
Hi Addam! It's pretty quick and drives real well. For most of the footage I had the throttle end point set around 70% just to make it easier to film whilst driving. It's very much like my old Lazer ZX-5. I really like the styling and those wheels finish it off nicely. 👍
Wow! Look at it go.👍😊 Lovey transition between the 2 body shells. Love that pink one.
The pink really pops. Photos and video do not do the color justice. Unfortunately, PS-29 does not stick well to the body.😩 I've since learned that it is a common issue with that color. The paint finish is almost like fine sand/sugar. It rubs off really easily. Such a shame as I would like to use the color more often. 😔
I've almost completely covered the inside of the shell in protective tape to try and add a little durability to the finish.
@@KaiCityRC that’s really too bad. It’s a brilliant colour. I love the fluorescent ps series. Especially flo red.👍😊
Damn it looks good and sleek 😊 one of the best looking modern rc buggies! Thanks for sharing David 😊👍
It does look good doesn't it! 😁 I'm a huge fan of the looks of the Dirt Cross. Those wheels finish the design off nicely. Big 👍 for Kyosho for making another retro styled "modern" chassis buggy.
@@KaiCityRC indeed ❤️ I think I have to get one 😍
A new video from Kai City RC, wohoo! Great to watch as always, David. And I will get one of these cars as soon as they become available here in Europe.
Thanks for watching! 😊
Great video as always from you, and looks like a cool buggy! He he, you got two body shells for it. It looks better than the Dirtmaster, but still I'd be more interested to see what aftermarket bodies appears, I'm sure Azarashi will have something soon...
I wasn't planning on getting a second body. But I had paint issues with the first, and couldn't be bothered stripping all the paint off to start again!
Great work David. Looks like a very capable buggy for fun times! Be interested to see how it goes on the track pal 🙌🏻
I haven't had chance to run it on the track, yet. But I can tell it will be very capable.
Now we are talking :) love it :) 🎉
Looks great and drives really well. 👍 My only complaint, and it's a minor one, is the transmission is/was a little on the noisy side. But that's probably just due to me being so used the whisper quiet belt drive on the Yokomo 870c. 😁
That said, after about 15 mins of running, it did quieten down somewhat. 😊
@@KaiCityRC awesome :) I can deal with a noisy motor lol
Thank you for this David
Thanks!
Fantastic run video!
Looking forward to a review of the driving experience.
Did you paint up a second body?
Thanks! Yeah, the PS-29 paint did not adhere well to the body. I've since learned it is a common issue with that particular color. 😩 Rather than spend a load of time stripping the paint and starting again, I painted up a spare body that I picked up. The pink body has a ton of aluminum reinforcement tape plastered inside in an effort to preserve the finish.
Fantastic video David, the car looks great! Will you be making a similar video with your MX-4 Forever?!
My thoughts on that change on a daily basis! I'm not one for shelf queens and I try to run every buggy that I build, even if just once.
But the MX-4 Forever is a very special machine. Still undecided. 🤔
If I did run it, I'd really like to install the "correct" electronics. Most notably that would mean finding a KO Propo Esprit stick type controller. Not an easy task nowadays!
Great, as always! Now that is basically a 4wd Dirt Master? I'm Koyosho illiterate.
I believe its a Fazer Buggy(?).
Basically Kyosho took one of their older 4WD chassis (Lazer ZX-5), replaced (almost) all the alloy parts with (high quality) plastic to reduce cost, added a retro styled body & wheels and behold the Dirt Cross is born. Well, to give it its full name: Lazer SB Dirt Cross. They did the exact same thing with the Dirt Master, only with their older 2WD Ultima chassis.
The Dirt Cross is now the second buggy in the SB Series. The Dirt Master has done really well here, so it was only a matter of time before we saw them follow a similar recipe to produce a 4WD version.
@KaiCityRC thanks for the low down. Both the kits we are talking about need to make it into my collection. I'm a tamiya guy, but they just look like they would be right at home there.
Awesome video David. You produce about the best RC footage.
Surprised the car seems to have very little droop travel on suspension. It bottoms pretty hard and bounces off chassis. Are the shocks kit spec or did you go for a carpet setup?
Thanks for the kind words! 😊The suspension is all set up as per the manual, which I thought would be a good starting point as I plan to run it both outdoors and on carpet. There isn't a whole lot of droop with these settings, but with some changes you could get more suspension travel out of the stock components.
I put 400 weight oil in the dampers and I had the ride height set pretty low for a better stance when filming, which didn't help. However, the bottom of the chassis is completely unmarked which leads me to think that it looks worse in the footage than it actually is. I have a set of Kyosho triple caps to install, but I wanted to run it (as close to) stock as possible for a fairer assessment. 👍
Hey David! Thanks for the insights. I’m building an OG ZX5 FS now and see the same lack of droop. The uni’s pull out of the diff cups if it goes too low. Anyway, is a great build and I look forward to running it!
Very nice video clip on this Kyosho Dirt Cross. My question: how do you usually handle the dirt coming into the spur gear from the bottom of the car? As it has an opening for the spur gear. Please let me know about this. Thanks.
Speaking from experience, I've found that it is better to do nothing! Dirt will get in. The plastic cover they give you doesn't do much to stop fine grit, soil etc for entering the spur area. Before my first run on a gritty dirt track (video on my channel) I put tape over the hole beneath the spur thinking that would help. It actually made things worse, as grit/gravel stuck to the top of the tape and was then scooped up by the spur! 😩 Lesson learnt. If you do go the tape route, you need to make sure the side of the tape nearest the rotating spur is not sticky. Also, stating the obvious, but don't put any kind of grease on the spur.
At the end of the day, if you have a buggy with an exposed spur gear and run on dirt/gravel, then it's probably best to think of spurs as consumable parts and stock up on spares. 👍 I run mine until the spur is completely torn up, which could be quite a while depending on how often/where you run, and then replace as necessary.
@KaiCityRC Thanks a lot for your prompt reply. What about for instance Team Losi 4WD (22X-4 Elite), which also has a Center Differential Gear, do You think this dirt/dust can also damage the Gear (center diff)? I am planning to buy Shaft Driven either Kyosho Dirt Cross or Team Losi. Thanks for your views.
@@patrickgodwin6115 I've no experience with the Losi (indeed, they're very, very rare over here!) so can't comment on that particular machine. At the end of the day, dust/grit/dirt will always find a way onto the gears unless you have a completely sealed gearbox. I routinely apply anti wear grease to any gearbox casings during assembly as it acts as a sort of gasket, but nevertheless dirt sometimes makes it way in.
I wouldn't really worry about it too much and just treat spurs like tires - replace as a when needed. 👍
Konnichiwa!
I want this too but it's sold out everywhere.
I have an old Kyosho ZX-5SP but modified it in a way that I can't restore it.
Hi there! Thanks for watching! 😊 I recall seeing a couple of Dirt Cross kits at Carnosa Fumotto during the Grand Opening a few weeks ago. I don't know if they still have them now.
So; two bodies, or some smart filter trickery? 👍
Alas, my editing skills are nowhere near good enough to pull that off. 😅
I painted up a second body as the pink PS-29 paint did not adhere well to the body (a known issue with that color) and I couldn't be bothered to spend ages stripping the paint off and repainting it. 😁
@@KaiCityRC I tend to have two bodies for all my cars, a runner shell and one for display, because none of my cars are shelf queens (and I only run outdoors in the UK) but I do like them to look good on the shelf!
Great video - wonder how it compares out of the box to most 'modern' of the legendary series (eg a Mid)? Based on a more recent chassis so would it be more capable generally?
Im at Carnosa RC Park’s indoor carpet track today with the Dirt Cross. It’s been quite a while since I ran any vintage release on a carpet track. But to me the Dirt Cross feels way more capable (box stock) than my Mid ever did. And it certainly handles better than the Super Dog Fighter. There’s some body roll in the corners and the diffs would benefit from some tuning. Considering its price point, overall I’m very impressed with the Dirt Cross both on dirt and carpet. 👍
@@KaiCityRC great info thanks very much.
needs a castle 1406 4600 on 3s
Is pink one the same car?
Correct. I prepared two body shells. 😁
Beautiful car! May I ask what pinion gear you are running on it? 😁
I'm currently away from home, so unable to check. But pinion size will depend on some many factors - where you run, surface type, motor, battery, runt times etc. I'd start with the kit supplied one (I think it's around 24T or so) and go from there.
@ thank you very much!
Compared to a ZX-5 how much worse is it?
I'm not really in a position to give a fair assessment as I didn't build a kit ZX-5 back in the day. At the time I was heavily into nitro/on road. But I did pick up ZX-5 Readyset (RTR) for casual use. In a lot of ways that was exactly like this Dirt Cross.
The Dirt Cross shares the same general design and a lot of the plastic parts appear to be identical. There are some key differences though - most notably being a lack of universals/CVD's, gear diffs instead of balls and all plastic shocks. It has been a few years since I ran my ZX-5, but to the best of my recollection this new Dirt Cross drives and performs much like it. 👍
That said, unless you're a very skilled driver I don't think the Dirt Cross would be competitive against modern high end 4WD's. Yokomo's M.O. or Associated B74, for example, are better performers and certainly more durable and crash resilient. But they are also considerably more expensive.