I agree, I really feel like my 3 inchers fly better than my 5 inchers by themselves. The issue is that 3 inchers can't handle a GoPro nearly as well, so 5 inches is still the most relevant--although less relevant now that we have the Insta360 Go and Naked GoPros.
@@coolhanddruid Try something like a 1408 4000kv sub 250g 3" build on 4s. Imo you need to maximize power as you go smaller/lighter, and try to maximize smoothness when you go heavier. A quick and very agile 3" build can be very fun, and easier to tune. You can swap out to bi-blade props and fly in a park around people, they won't even notice it. Everyone flies different though.
Joshua Bardwell, I got a new iFight Baby Crocodile and I could not get the motors to arm for anything. I have a Jumper T18 and the analog quad. After watching your video 4 times watching and listening to what the different settings do I finally got the motors to arm. Thank you for all you do for us. I hope you know how important a role you play with all of us quad owners, especially the newbees like myself. Thank you again so very much!
Josh, I agree about the antenna tubes, one solution I found was I ordered the extra thin antennas from banggood and they actually fit inside those little red or clear extension spray tubes that come with WD40 or DeOxit D5 electrical contact cleaner aerosol cans; I went to my local electronics store, and they had bags of them that they found in the bottom of boxes of spray cans that use them... They had clear ones, and gave more than 20 for free. I mention this because it's the best way I found to get them, they're hard to find by themselves in less than boxes of 1000. Anyway, they're indestructible, at least so far for me, and my uniquely crash-heavy style of flying...! Some antennas didn't fit, but the skinny ones did.
As a big fan of GEPRC I have been waiting for this review ever since you mentioned it a few weeks ago, and I have to say I'm not disappointed and think this is a great Quad. Yes, there are one or two things they could have done differently such as the cam mount however I find with all ready to fly models there is always something one wants to change. Great review Joshua
Joshua, I seriously appreciate a vast majority of your thoughts and opinions. So, when I find myself disagreeing, it's worth mentioning. As a network engineer with more than 20 years in the industry, I'd say full functionality and lack of bugs always wins out over running "the latest and greatest" software. Like every time.
After around a year having the Croc, I can tell buy it. As a beginner, like I am it can give you a taste of different areas like crusing or first simple freestyle depending on hattery. I flew it with 4s 1800mAh chonckers which I already had up to 15 minutes and now with 4s 650mAh which in comparison for my beginner reference is a hellride of agility and climb rate. Also as a beginner the actual need for freestyle-capability is limited - so in my opinion this quad brings more than enough to table to get a taste and learn basic things. How ever I feel as a real bloody beginner, I would not recommend starting with light batterys - the less agile behaviour with heavy batterys is helpfull in the beginning I guess. Also it even flys with 2s 1Ah hattery :)
Wow. nice competitor for Chimera4 and Flywoo LR. My FlyWoo Explorer Analog bringing Session 5 and using 4s 850mah 80c ONBO Cruising Smoothly and got Flight Time 9 min 40sec Impressive for me, and the motors still Cool, no warm even little
I am really excited about this series. Your Flywoo video sold me on this 4" LR category, hard, and now I not only have more options, but you're doing this direct comparison. Can't wait.
6:09 my guess is the vista is there so you can access the USB port without a motor being in the way like it is on some others. Same story with the whoop board rotated 45°, in most other builds the whoop board is mounted “naturally”, and it’s just about impossible to mount in a way that you can get to the USB port without taking the whole damned thing apart. Kudos for both of those design decisions.
As my first non-whoop quad I'm enjoying this. The only issue I've noticed is the current sensor did not work out of the box. I have the Analog and XM+ setup. They soldered the GPS RX wire to where the current sensor reads. I moved the GPS RX wire to the TX2 pin (A02) and remapped that. I then turned on the current sensor pin. Now I get GPS and Current. # resources resource LED_STRIP 1 NONE resource SERIAL_TX 2 NONE resource SERIAL_TX 11 A02 resource SERIAL_RX 11 A08 # timer timer A02 NONE # dma (maybe not necessary) dma pin A08 NONE dma pin A02 NONE
By moving the weight to the back it would make the front motors work harder all the time to counter the weight in the back this is the more efficient design not by space but by power usage.
Hahaha "I love how the frame has space for 2 battery straps, I'm of the opinion that 2 battery straps are more than twice as strong as one" ... flies it with one.
When you want to open it up, if you remove the lower front screws instead of the upper front screws the camera and its cable will come away with the Vista and that will give you much more access. (And will reduce the likelihood of you breaking the camera cable)
The ' flying brick ' architecture seems to still be prevalent in many designs. One of my biggest pet peeves and why I prefer to design my own frames is many designs are still stacking components instead of distributing them more streamlined. And my biggest pet peeve is the front mounted camera with little protection. And you are right to point those things out because the design of any product is not just about mounting components to a frame... There is much more to that ... While stacked components are desirable from a cpmpact form, if the quad frame has the room lengthwise, by all means, use it! Interesting you bring up the ceiling mount of the camera vtx, I did the same on my MIA Zoom years ago, for the same reason that I wanted to have ease of access to the VtX and DVR when I was using the Caddx Turtle system. Except in my case the frame was very compact and it opens like a car hood, you can see that in some of my recent videos.
Great review. I just won the Flywoo LR Explorer frame, looking forward to seeing the rest of the videos. I'll be picking and choosing parts for my build based on your pros and cons. Happy flying Joshua 🤓
@Joshua Bardwell When you say you were running it at highest power available, do you mean 1200mW? Vista has a known issue where sometimes performance actually decreases as you go above 700mW. I suspect it's a feedback issue and usually this will vary depending on the antenna used on the VTX.
small Quiet, 15+ min and GPS return... 1080+ video. (enough to impress mom, haha) tree top, coastline, and mountain surfing eagerly waiting to see who comes out on top of this by Xmas time.
I noticed the same in a lot the footage of various reviews and also with my own Dave C Micro LR frame built/Vista, especially if there's a touch of wind. They just accept it or gloss over it.
Those hardware UARTS - when I was on F4 I didn't get all the fuss about it. A little remapping here a little SBUS inversion hack there.... But I recently went F7 and I have to say I'm not looking back at all. ;)
Looking into the possibility of a room clearing drone. Fpv, agile but tough. Search and rescue oriented. Long flight time and strong enough fpv and control signal to be able to enter buildings from as far away as possible.
One obvious way to disable GPS Rescue is already shown in the vid. Enable arm without fix. Power up and launch immediately and GPS Rescue will be disabled until next disarm.
All long range quads should come with high output vtx and diversity rx. I feel manufacturers miss a trick on this front. The CB 4 LR is a great quad but lacks in areas that would make a long range quad excel.
What about putting the GPS 5V to a switchable pin? Or using a little board what lets you to switch 5V with pwm signals, like the light switcher boards on RC cars/planes. So you can connect it to a servo output and assign an aux to it.
Nice rig, but I do not like the angle of the GPS mount. I would not expect to be flying pitched forward at what looks like 45 degrees. For "normal" flight you may pitch forward maybe 20 - 30 degrees, which presents a less that optimal angle for the GPS antenna. Ideally you would want the GPS antenna to be face-up to the sky during normal flight. It would also be nice if the FC was iNav compatible for true failsafe RTH functionality - nowadays iNav 2.5.2 flies pretty darn nicely compared to earlier versions. While BF may be "best" (or what we are most familiar with), this is not an Acro rig per se, so you really don't need all of that. iNav is ideally suited for LR and cinematic style flying. I didn't mean to make this so much about iNav, but when you start talking GPS, BF is waaaay behind in that aspect ;)
I've never had an issue with screwing down tpu on my geprc elegant 5". It just sits there no matter what. And even when other screws get loose from crash, the ones that screwed on top of the tpu part are still tight.
Hi, Mr. Bardwell! I just purchased the Baby Croc as my second fpv drone (my first is an Emax Tinyhawk II). I've run into some problems setting it up in Betaflight, though, my main one being that I lost my soft serial port and my GPS is not showing up. It was working fine when I set up the GPS failsafe using your recommended settings, but I must have accidentally messed something up. I tried resetting it to defaults in CLI but it didn't fix it. I'm fairly new at FPV and don't know what to do. Can you help me?
Joshua, or just anyone. I got this Croc Baby and flashed it with G-H-30 2.3 JESC (48khz) with Telemetry, licensed. Then used Dshot300, 4k/4k, with Bshot "ON" and "12" on motor poles. It won't fly cause some motors are getting "errors," what's wrong with it? XD
Why aren't all frames with lightening holes like that? I don't think you'd lose any durability in the main body as long as away from arm stress risers.
For cruising (30mph) like 7-10A depending on wind. Punchout is 20-25A for me and the problem is not the lion cells, good sony vct6 can do 40A. Check the quality of your wires if you want to build your own pack. Cheers and happy flying!
Can you please do a build guide on making a drone with dji pfv optical flow sensor ultra sonic sensors and barometer, gps with compass and if possible telemetry also and what to do in inav after building this type of drone. Please please please please please.
Hi Josh. I bought one and have been flying it for about a week. I am having the exact problem as you, where my DJI Googles have 4 bars but my DJI controller has have 1 or 2 bars and turns red. If you find a solution please let me know. I'm emailing Geprc as well.
re: vista packaging I've had a tough time on two quads now trying to package the vista. It's quite a bit larger than the 20x20 mounting holes, the position of the UFL connector and antenna can be inconvenient, it's tall, and the fact that you can't easily remove the camera to thread the cable through other elements are all things that have frustrated me at some point. I bet you would have to change a half dozen things about the geprc croc baby to move the vista behind the FC.
@@ekkle5ia I guess a better way to say it is that since there is no plug on the camera side and you need clearance to get a driver onto the hold-down on the vista there are situations where you are stuck vs. analog setup.
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In general terms, for a given budget of let's say 200 bucks and FPV, would you recommend some of those "ugly" kits or a fully built DJI-like drone?
Hello Mate, thanks for the great review. Could you please show which pads are used to connect GPS in softserial configuration on this FC. I can use LED pad for GPS TX, but I don't know which pad to use for GPS RX? As you mentioned, UART1 is for Vista, UART2 for Crossfire. And I assume that Buzz pad is used for the buzzer? Therefore, the only available pad left to use for softserial mapping is LED pad, but GPS needs 2 pads one for TX and one for RX. I really appreciate if you show how they wired GPS on this particular FC. Thank you very much
They are either under 250 grams or can fly for 30 minutes, but not both at the same time. The 4S battery pack itself is 195 grams already. And the drone with lightest option with analog video is 130 grams. It can only be under 250 grams with a 2S pack. And we all know that you can't flip and snap with 2S.
Excellent Video ZOHD LionPack 3000 mah for my geprc crocodile baby ....... I used to fly with 4s Lipo.... Do I have to make any change on my setup on (Betaflight or in the DJI fpv goggles) to get the Lion battery voltage reading ? I flue 1 time with the Lion pack and I get the low battery warning 5 minutes after take off. Thank you.
After watching Your movies I decide to buy Crocodile Baby with vista vtx. But it is a big shit. In oryginal configuration it do not have the current sensor. But the worst thing is that FC is restarting each time after 3 to 10 min. I changed the FC to the new one and the situation is exectly the same and there is no solution for this. Now I am fighting with the shop to give money back becouse this quad/FC inside is tottaly useless.
Another thought. Can you actually fit/mount the naked gopro along with that 3kmah battery?...have you tried it. I would require higher resolution. thanks
love the in depth reviews and ive been looking at this class of kwads since i heard about the explorer can you do one of these kwads with a analog split camera setup? I think there are alot of us out there thats not ready to go dji yet
hi i have a different question. where can i turn to get my kiss fc to understand the spectrum protocol srxl V2.it's an open protocol that anyone can use for their radio controlled gadgets. the receiver in question is a spectrum spm 4650 dsmx series receiver version 2. by the way my kiss fc is a V1
Hi, this video is titled "can fly for 30 minutes???" This is a LONG video that seems to cover about everything except flight time. I sent this link to a friend who was looking for information on something that can fly longer. Sent him this link figuring this would be discussed in detail from the title alone LOL. Do you have a different video that gets into longer flight times? This certainly is not the one. Thanks!
I will be doing an flight time comparison of all these guys in the "shootout" video that follows the individual reviews. But the Baby Croc definitely can fly for about 30 minutes when using the 3000 mAh 4S LiIo pack that GEPRC sells (or a similar pack).
For long range, the only signal strength indicator in the OSD that matters is Mbps in the bottom right of the display. Completely ignore the red indicators on the bottom left. They are wrong and mean nothing...
@@toys5355 below 10mbps is considered "shaky ground", below 5 Mbps, get ready to go to black screen and drop out of the sky, get your finger on the GPS rescue switch!
i dont understand why none of these GPS LR quads include a magnetometer - its not like its hard to find a GPS module that has a compass built in. I would love to try one of these with iNav for real hovering and etc but need that compass...
Because a magnetometer on a tiny quad gets a ton of electrical interference and doesn't work well. The mag works best either when the quad is large so you can mount the mag away from electronics, or when the mag and GPS are mounted on a boom.
I really wish you would do a video on the analog version since I'm sure alot of us are still not rich enough to go digital or maybe just prefer it. Do you see doing an analog version review in the future? I was or am just about to buy the Flywoo, but now these have come along and I am stuck on my choice. I definitely am getting the batteries that last almost 30 minutes since I want to stay in the air a long time. Also I always have used the xm+ receiver. Is it more difficult to set up the R9 or whatever it is? Never used it.
@Josha Bardwell .. Is there enough space inside the baby croc 4" to replace the Caddx Vista with the Air Unit? ( i really want the on board DVR. (Also, great videos please keep posting) PD: when is the comparison between long range qwads gonna drop? ) thanks!
There is enough room front to back between the standoffs, however you would have to relocate the capacitor. I'm not sure there is enough room top to bottom above the FC, but in theory you could use longer standoffs.
First!!! maybe not? Potato riot FTW!! good one again man, when you do the shootout could you do each KWAD in the running with the tbs Tango 2 and whatever other long-range controllers you have laying around, Pls Fren?? do you perhaps have or know someone with one of those TBS ground stations because that would be interesting??? would like to learn which can go the furtererest and how
Did your baby croc has an accurate current sensors? Mine can not be calibrated because maximum scale value is not enough. Did you have some advice? Replace resistor on FC?
Man i bought the pnp version and still cant find the pin layout for the fc to add my r9slim + using f port. It either too new of a board or not the correct one and the board itself has no labels
17:36 stm32F405 target? But my real question is, if I have Dji goggles2 and vista/old unit, how can I use it with this drone? I had v1 goggles worked fine on 4.1.1. on softserial (original Dji osd) but I pluged a g2 compatible flashed unit on this drone and no osd. What Bf version can I use to work? THX!
I'm really liking how the hobby is gravitating towards smaller quads since I started flying sub 3" and have continued to fly sub 5" for years since.
I agree, I really feel like my 3 inchers fly better than my 5 inchers by themselves. The issue is that 3 inchers can't handle a GoPro nearly as well, so 5 inches is still the most relevant--although less relevant now that we have the Insta360 Go and Naked GoPros.
Boring.
@@coolhanddruid As is your comment.
@@licensetodrive9930 No you
@@coolhanddruid Try something like a 1408 4000kv sub 250g 3" build on 4s. Imo you need to maximize power as you go smaller/lighter, and try to maximize smoothness when you go heavier. A quick and very agile 3" build can be very fun, and easier to tune. You can swap out to bi-blade props and fly in a park around people, they won't even notice it. Everyone flies different though.
Joshua Bardwell, I got a new iFight Baby Crocodile and I could not get the motors to arm for anything. I have a Jumper T18 and the analog quad. After watching your video 4 times watching and listening to what the different settings do I finally got the motors to arm. Thank you for all you do for us. I hope you know how important a role you play with all of us quad owners, especially the newbees like myself. Thank you again so very much!
The more review videos I watch, the more I get the feeling that GEPRC is developing into the DJI of the FPV DIY world.
Josh, I agree about the antenna tubes, one solution I found was I ordered the extra thin antennas from banggood and they actually fit inside those little red or clear extension spray tubes that come with WD40 or DeOxit D5 electrical contact cleaner aerosol cans; I went to my local electronics store, and they had bags of them that they found in the bottom of boxes of spray cans that use them... They had clear ones, and gave more than 20 for free. I mention this because it's the best way I found to get them, they're hard to find by themselves in less than boxes of 1000. Anyway, they're indestructible, at least so far for me, and my uniquely crash-heavy style of flying...! Some antennas didn't fit, but the skinny ones did.
As a big fan of GEPRC I have been waiting for this review ever since you mentioned it a few weeks ago, and I have to say I'm not disappointed and think this is a great Quad. Yes, there are one or two things they could have done differently such as the cam mount however I find with all ready to fly models there is always something one wants to change. Great review Joshua
Joshua, I seriously appreciate a vast majority of your thoughts and opinions. So, when I find myself disagreeing, it's worth mentioning. As a network engineer with more than 20 years in the industry, I'd say full functionality and lack of bugs always wins out over running "the latest and greatest" software. Like every time.
After around a year having the Croc, I can tell buy it.
As a beginner, like I am it can give you a taste of different areas like crusing or first simple freestyle depending on hattery.
I flew it with 4s 1800mAh chonckers which I already had up to 15 minutes and now with 4s 650mAh which in comparison for my beginner reference is a hellride of agility and climb rate. Also as a beginner the actual need for freestyle-capability is limited - so in my opinion this quad brings more than enough to table to get a taste and learn basic things.
How ever I feel as a real bloody beginner, I would not recommend starting with light batterys - the less agile behaviour with heavy batterys is helpfull in the beginning I guess.
Also it even flys with 2s 1Ah hattery :)
Wow. nice competitor for Chimera4 and Flywoo LR.
My FlyWoo Explorer Analog bringing Session 5 and using 4s 850mah 80c ONBO
Cruising Smoothly and got Flight Time 9 min 40sec
Impressive for me, and the motors still Cool, no warm even little
And without session 5.? With 850mah
I am really excited about this series. Your Flywoo video sold me on this 4" LR category, hard, and now I not only have more options, but you're doing this direct comparison. Can't wait.
Dude, I was in a bad mood. Then, a JB's notification. Now I'm happy again. Thank you for this really cool review!
Love the Potato Riot shirt :)
Is that shirt a cross from potato jet and roto riot?
@@DigitalN8v rotor jet
6:09 my guess is the vista is there so you can access the USB port without a motor being in the way like it is on some others. Same story with the whoop board rotated 45°, in most other builds the whoop board is mounted “naturally”, and it’s just about impossible to mount in a way that you can get to the USB port without taking the whole damned thing apart. Kudos for both of those design decisions.
You could install a tiny toggle switch on the GPS cable to be able to disable it.
LOL!!! "make sure I'm at twelv.... maximum possible output power".
😂😂😂
As my first non-whoop quad I'm enjoying this. The only issue I've noticed is the current sensor did not work out of the box. I have the Analog and XM+ setup. They soldered the GPS RX wire to where the current sensor reads. I moved the GPS RX wire to the TX2 pin (A02) and remapped that. I then turned on the current sensor pin. Now I get GPS and Current.
# resources
resource LED_STRIP 1 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 2 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 11 A02
resource SERIAL_RX 11 A08
# timer
timer A02 NONE
# dma
(maybe not necessary)
dma pin A08 NONE
dma pin A02 NONE
Jason what's your background thks
@@joelhiltz3329 what do you mean, background?
@@jacobm5186 Electronics Navy training ect thk you
@@joelhiltz3329 Just Electrical Engineering and lots of diy electronics.
I'm using GNB 1100mAh HV 4S... 22 minutes! it weighs only 99g. No issues with GPS on soft serial.
By moving the weight to the back it would make the front motors work harder all the time to counter the weight in the back this is the more efficient design not by space but by power usage.
Antennas. I found a really cool way to support the wire . I use a zip tie and I shrink wrap my antenna to the tail of the tire wrap...
Hahaha "I love how the frame has space for 2 battery straps, I'm of the opinion that 2 battery straps are more than twice as strong as one"
... flies it with one.
On the day of I couldn't be bothered to thread through the top plate :-)
@@JoshuaBardwell Haha I don't blame you it just made me laugh. I love your content and really appreciate the response.
Just testing it how most are gonna fly it... easy excuse
😅
I like this build up you doing. And doing each individual test before the time. Nice one JB.
Josh, take the whole cam with the 3d print away and mount it the other way around. The cam will then be more in the back and safe behind the frame.
When you want to open it up, if you remove the lower front screws instead of the upper front screws the camera and its cable will come away with the Vista and that will give you much more access. (And will reduce the likelihood of you breaking the camera cable)
That's clever.
The ' flying brick ' architecture seems to still be prevalent in many designs. One of my biggest pet peeves and why I prefer to design my own frames is many designs are still stacking components instead of distributing them more streamlined. And my biggest pet peeve is the front mounted camera with little protection. And you are right to point those things out because the design of any product is not just about mounting components to a frame... There is much more to that ...
While stacked components are desirable from a cpmpact form, if the quad frame has the room lengthwise, by all means, use it!
Interesting you bring up the ceiling mount of the camera vtx, I did the same on my MIA Zoom years ago, for the same reason that I wanted to have ease of access to the VtX and DVR when I was using the Caddx Turtle system. Except in my case the frame was very compact and it opens like a car hood, you can see that in some of my recent videos.
When using heavy bolts and nuts to replaceable the arms they should make the arms foldable to make the extra weight more effeceint
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua!!! 😃
Looking forward for the comparison! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great review. I just won the Flywoo LR Explorer frame, looking forward to seeing the rest of the videos. I'll be picking and choosing parts for my build based on your pros and cons. Happy flying Joshua 🤓
thankyou Joshua. Looking forward to watching the rest of the shootout before i start saving.
@Joshua Bardwell When you say you were running it at highest power available, do you mean 1200mW? Vista has a known issue where sometimes performance actually decreases as you go above 700mW. I suspect it's a feedback issue and usually this will vary depending on the antenna used on the VTX.
This baby croc 4 has 2750kv motors, then the whole time you were flying you thought they were 3000kv? That had to change your view of this quad.
small Quiet, 15+ min and GPS return...
1080+ video. (enough to impress mom, haha)
tree top, coastline, and mountain surfing
eagerly waiting to see who comes out on top of this by Xmas time.
I always use two battery straps, even for racing. It's better to finish than have your battery eject.
Can’t wait for the shocker review! I get my frame today!
The jittery video seems normal on this quad from the other reviews I've seen. But no one talks about it.
I noticed the same in a lot the footage of various reviews and also with my own Dave C Micro LR frame built/Vista, especially if there's a touch of wind. They just accept it or gloss over it.
@@jt37218 low speed KV-motor need naked gopro，LOL
Some found Explorer LR has poor GPS locking it's because the GPS wires are not insulated. I have seen couple of videos about it.
Empty space likely helps with cooling, an issue with Cadx.
“Potato Riot” is an amazing message.
Those hardware UARTS - when I was on F4 I didn't get all the fuss about it. A little remapping here a little SBUS inversion hack there....
But I recently went F7 and I have to say I'm not looking back at all. ;)
Looking into the possibility of a room clearing drone. Fpv, agile but tough. Search and rescue oriented. Long flight time and strong enough fpv and control signal to be able to enter buildings from as far away as possible.
One obvious way to disable GPS Rescue is already shown in the vid. Enable arm without fix. Power up and launch immediately and GPS Rescue will be disabled until next disarm.
Flywoo explorer list their kv as the same on production model. 2750kv
haha I did the same thing on my baby croc with silencing the buzzer!! Usually you hold it for a few seconds... Nice quad but mine was packed like crap
All long range quads should come with high output vtx and diversity rx. I feel manufacturers miss a trick on this front.
The CB 4 LR is a great quad but lacks in areas that would make a long range quad excel.
In the shoot out video I'd like to see one of these flying with a Crossfire and Shark Byte setup.
I too was thinking my controller signal range with the Croc Baby was deficient. Maybe I'll try a different antenna.
Seems like my amp readings are way off, possible causes? Straight out of the box today
Same with me - any resolutions?
What about putting the GPS 5V to a switchable pin? Or using a little board what lets you to switch 5V with pwm signals, like the light switcher boards on RC cars/planes. So you can connect it to a servo output and assign an aux to it.
Nice rig, but I do not like the angle of the GPS mount. I would not expect to be flying pitched forward at what looks like 45 degrees. For "normal" flight you may pitch forward maybe 20 - 30 degrees, which presents a less that optimal angle for the GPS antenna. Ideally you would want the GPS antenna to be face-up to the sky during normal flight. It would also be nice if the FC was iNav compatible for true failsafe RTH functionality - nowadays iNav 2.5.2 flies pretty darn nicely compared to earlier versions. While BF may be "best" (or what we are most familiar with), this is not an Acro rig per se, so you really don't need all of that. iNav is ideally suited for LR and cinematic style flying. I didn't mean to make this so much about iNav, but when you start talking GPS, BF is waaaay behind in that aspect ;)
I've never had an issue with screwing down tpu on my geprc elegant 5". It just sits there no matter what. And even when other screws get loose from crash, the ones that screwed on top of the tpu part are still tight.
This is only the beginning, these new lightweight quads are like the new toothpicks. Hopefully battery makers will all start making Li-Ion packs.
@Brandon S WTF is your problem? Twice you did this.
WOW! absolutely beautiful footage!
Hi, Mr. Bardwell! I just purchased the Baby Croc as my second fpv drone (my first is an Emax Tinyhawk II). I've run into some problems setting it up in Betaflight, though, my main one being that I lost my soft serial port and my GPS is not showing up. It was working fine when I set up the GPS failsafe using your recommended settings, but I must have accidentally messed something up. I tried resetting it to defaults in CLI but it didn't fix it. I'm fairly new at FPV and don't know what to do. Can you help me?
better off asking reddit😝😝
Joshua, or just anyone. I got this Croc Baby and flashed it with G-H-30 2.3 JESC (48khz) with Telemetry, licensed. Then used Dshot300, 4k/4k, with Bshot "ON" and "12" on motor poles. It won't fly cause some motors are getting "errors," what's wrong with it? XD
Excellent work !
Have a look at the Diatone Roma F4 LR.
BNF version using the Nebula camera :|
Joshua cap can reduce motores noise in the video helps
Why aren't all frames with lightening holes like that? I don't think you'd lose any durability in the main body as long as away from arm stress risers.
For LR reviews I would ask to mention if the FC is supporting iNav....
How much amp draw were you getting on the Lions and what is the max discharge rate of the Lions?
For cruising (30mph) like 7-10A depending on wind. Punchout is 20-25A for me and the problem is not the lion cells, good sony vct6 can do 40A. Check the quality of your wires if you want to build your own pack. Cheers and happy flying!
Can you please do a build guide on making a drone with dji pfv optical flow sensor ultra sonic sensors and barometer, gps with compass and if possible telemetry also and what to do in inav after building this type of drone. Please please please please please.
Lol
But why?
if you watch all his videos and combine them you have the answer.
Wrong hobby friend. Check out inav videos, they may have the solutions you seek.
@@wolffpv535 I just love autonomous flying with the speed of fpv drones.
Hi Josh. I bought one and have been flying it for about a week. I am having the exact problem as you, where my DJI Googles have 4 bars but my DJI controller has have 1 or 2 bars and turns red. If you find a solution please let me know. I'm emailing Geprc as well.
Ben did yours come with a Nebula camera ? Thanks
Is the gps a compass also? If so maybe moving everything away for interference. 10cm is reccomended on a matek.
re: vista packaging
I've had a tough time on two quads now trying to package the vista. It's quite a bit larger than the 20x20 mounting holes, the position of the UFL connector and antenna can be inconvenient, it's tall, and the fact that you can't easily remove the camera to thread the cable through other elements are all things that have frustrated me at some point. I bet you would have to change a half dozen things about the geprc croc baby to move the vista behind the FC.
Hey you can remove the camera connector. Just got to have a tiny torx screwdriver
@@ekkle5ia I guess a better way to say it is that since there is no plug on the camera side and you need clearance to get a driver onto the hold-down on the vista there are situations where you are stuck vs. analog setup.
In general terms, for a given budget of let's say 200 bucks and FPV, would you recommend some of those "ugly" kits or a fully built DJI-like drone?
Another great review -thanks Joshua!
Hello Mate, thanks for the great review. Could you please show which pads are used to connect GPS in softserial configuration on this FC. I can use LED pad for GPS TX, but I don't know which pad to use for GPS RX? As you mentioned, UART1 is for Vista, UART2 for Crossfire. And I assume that Buzz pad is used for the buzzer? Therefore, the only available pad left to use for softserial mapping is LED pad, but GPS needs 2 pads one for TX and one for RX. I really appreciate if you show how they wired GPS on this particular FC. Thank you very much
Imma buy this drone most likely but i gotta say one thing the sales on the tyro79 on banggood is higher than any other drone
They are either under 250 grams or can fly for 30 minutes, but not both at the same time. The 4S battery pack itself is 195 grams already. And the drone with lightest option with analog video is 130 grams. It can only be under 250 grams with a 2S pack. And we all know that you can't flip and snap with 2S.
GNB 1100 HV 4S 50C is sub 90 grams and will give you 12+ minutes and - 250 grams
So did it fly for 30 minutes or not?
looks like paradise to me, where you're living
Hi! Did geprc change PIDs from original?
hello, what is the duration of the flight with a naked gopro? with a lipo battery and with li-ion? how big is the battery?
Excellent Video ZOHD LionPack 3000 mah for my geprc crocodile baby ....... I used to fly with 4s Lipo.... Do I have to make any change on my setup on (Betaflight or in the DJI fpv goggles) to get the Lion battery voltage reading ? I flue 1 time with the Lion pack and I get the low battery warning 5 minutes after take off.
Thank you.
After watching Your movies I decide to buy Crocodile Baby with vista vtx. But it is a big shit. In oryginal configuration it do not have the current sensor. But the worst thing is that FC is restarting each time after 3 to 10 min. I changed the FC to the new one and the situation is exectly the same and there is no solution for this. Now I am fighting with the shop to give money back becouse this quad/FC inside is tottaly useless.
and what about the ghost system
Very nice
Another thought. Can you actually fit/mount the naked gopro along with that 3kmah battery?...have you tried it. I would require higher resolution. thanks
So it is safe to fly with 120c without blowing anything? Btw the buzzer is flipping annoying.
Love the new outro😂
love the in depth reviews and ive been looking at this class of kwads since i heard about the explorer can you do one of these kwads with a analog split camera setup? I think there are alot of us out there thats not ready to go dji yet
hi i have a different question. where can i turn to get my kiss fc to understand the spectrum protocol srxl V2.it's an open protocol that anyone can use for their radio controlled gadgets. the receiver in question is a spectrum spm 4650 dsmx series receiver version 2. by the way my kiss fc is a V1
Hi, this video is titled "can fly for 30 minutes???" This is a LONG video that seems to cover about everything except flight time.
I sent this link to a friend who was looking for information on something that can fly longer. Sent him this link figuring this would be discussed in detail from the title alone LOL.
Do you have a different video that gets into longer flight times? This certainly is not the one. Thanks!
I will be doing an flight time comparison of all these guys in the "shootout" video that follows the individual reviews. But the Baby Croc definitely can fly for about 30 minutes when using the 3000 mAh 4S LiIo pack that GEPRC sells (or a similar pack).
@@JoshuaBardwell Excelllent! Thanks!
I had no clue 30 minutes was possible.
I'm pretty out of touch with newer stuff.
Will need to get back in touch.
For long range, the only signal strength indicator in the OSD that matters is Mbps in the bottom right of the display. Completely ignore the red indicators on the bottom left. They are wrong and mean nothing...
And if this is so, what low value in mbps is “safe”?
@@toys5355 below 10mbps is considered "shaky ground", below 5 Mbps, get ready to go to black screen and drop out of the sky, get your finger on the GPS rescue switch!
So you’re saying RSSI doesn’t matter?
@@ZabDevin I fly the DJI controller, not crossfire, so I don't use RSSI.
I thought Caddx fixed the overheat so you leave temp control on now?
Thank you for the review. Is there any reason you don't show the pid values of quads in this category?
i dont understand why none of these GPS LR quads include a magnetometer - its not like its hard to find a GPS module that has a compass built in. I would love to try one of these with iNav for real hovering and etc but need that compass...
Because a magnetometer on a tiny quad gets a ton of electrical interference and doesn't work well. The mag works best either when the quad is large so you can mount the mag away from electronics, or when the mag and GPS are mounted on a boom.
I really wish you would do a video on the analog version since I'm sure alot of us are still not rich enough to go digital or maybe just prefer it. Do you see doing an analog version review in the future? I was or am just about to buy the Flywoo, but now these have come along and I am stuck on my choice. I definitely am getting the batteries that last almost 30 minutes since I want to stay in the air a long time. Also I always have used the xm+ receiver. Is it more difficult to set up the R9 or whatever it is? Never used it.
@Josha Bardwell .. Is there enough space inside the baby croc 4" to replace the Caddx Vista with the Air Unit? ( i really want the on board DVR. (Also, great videos please keep posting) PD: when is the comparison between long range qwads gonna drop? ) thanks!
There is enough room front to back between the standoffs, however you would have to relocate the capacitor. I'm not sure there is enough room top to bottom above the FC, but in theory you could use longer standoffs.
I first saw this about ten minutes after the post 537 views. Now an hr later 2763 views!
Looking forward to the Chimera 4" video. Seems like a better design.
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First!!! maybe not? Potato riot FTW!! good one again man, when you do the shootout could you do each KWAD in the running with the tbs Tango 2 and whatever other long-range controllers you have laying around, Pls Fren?? do you perhaps have or know someone with one of those TBS ground stations because that would be interesting??? would like to learn which can go the furtererest and how
But does it have a baro...
Did your baby croc has an accurate current sensors? Mine can not be calibrated because maximum scale value is not enough. Did you have some advice? Replace resistor on FC?
Current sense does not work on that FC.
Man i bought the pnp version and still cant find the pin layout for the fc to add my r9slim + using f port. It either too new of a board or not the correct one and the board itself has no labels
which is better to choose baby 4 or baby5? who flies longer?
Can't find the shootout video, is it out yet?
At long range you usual not going wild. You will not loose your battery. Even with just a low budget strap and a piece of velcro.
18:32 my kingdom for a day when DJI has full OSD support for BF and iNav. I’m sure I’ll come eventually, but who knows when.
I think I like the Chimera4 better. Looking forward to the shootout.
17:36 stm32F405 target? But my real question is, if I have Dji goggles2 and vista/old unit, how can I use it with this drone? I had v1 goggles worked fine on 4.1.1. on softserial (original Dji osd) but I pluged a g2 compatible flashed unit on this drone and no osd. What Bf version can I use to work? THX!