Reminder that volumetric is the absolute worst. Also if you guys could subscribe that would be great, I have some stuff I want to announce but I want to wait until the 400k QnA video
Gotta love how they still haven't fixed volumetric and every time they "fix" the maps they somehow become even worse but don't worry, they'll be introducing a new 70 dollar premium for every tech tree in every update, that's the important stuff.
Starts off playing the IS-2 with poor luck, eats fortune cookie, proceeds to not get CAS bombed and do quite well with the IS-2. Maybe Spookston needs a pick me up fortune cookie every time he encounters a tank that he might hate to use.
Add the following as optionals: [ ] Plays ground RB, looks inside, planes [X] Can I pls win [ ] (When playing any german Tank): Insulting Germany for making bad tanks [X] (When playing soviet Tanks): Complaing about gun depression [X] Complaing about full uptiers/getting one (and by one I mean like 70% of games)
Ah, the IS-2. I got it to grind the Soviet tree, seeing what a menace it was in downtiers. However, here are some fun facts I learned about it. 1. 90% are full uptiers, so fighting vehicles from the 80s is not unusual. 2. It’s the same battle rating as such things like the Tiger 2 and the T34, that are better than it in every way. 3. A 122 to a tank’s barrel does indeed NOT break it. 4. Despite having a 19mm fuse, it will not fuse on many vehicles. 5. Despite having 200 mm of pen, it will not pen many vehicles. 6. An M26 driver can eat an entire 122 APHE and save the tank. 7. A duster driver can eat an entire 122 APHE and save the vehicle. 8. CAS magnet. 9. The IS 2 fuel is more explosive than nuclear bombs. 10. Using this tank has taught me to be a rat.
I would like to add that : 1. Milk trucks can and will survive a 122mm round directly into the chassis (Gaijin pls bring back hull break) 2. No matter the caliber, a Panther’s mantlet is the closest thing in the universe to an immovable object 3. The loader is the most vital member of the crew 4. They call it a heavy tank just because it’s slow 5. Good thing you don’t have to aim for weakspots, because they would have to really try in order to not hit yours
I've found myself enjoying it as a backup to my 2S3M and 2S1 for engames. Most people got their big scary heavies out of the way and you don't see enough people in endgame for the reload to be much issue. It's also increadibly ratty as you can just annihilate anything that isn't a T32 (it can actually pen a T34's ufp and front turret weakspots, or a tiger 2H's slightly angled side armor as it's only 80mm). Your biggest enemies are: -vlad on his toyota pickup with bertha, his heavy machinegun -that one vk30.02M that for some reason has the same pen as you, enough he filler to oneshot you and a quarter of the reload. Same obviously applies to every. Fcking. Medium tank at that br bracket -bombs. -a slightly concave terrain
@@mhplayerYou can pen T32 Ufp in the MG port but you need to aim to do that while T32... Well as it was said before, he really needs to try his best to not OS you cuz IS2 armor is a thing.
@@mhplayerman that sounds like a great line up. after you get CAS MG'd to death in your 2s1 and 2s3, you can get bombed in your is2. war thunder gaming is so pog
@@sneakycactus8815 that's why you have the praga... To also get strafed immediatly after getting out of spawn xd i also keep a T-34 for mobility and honestly it's quite fun to use so i bring it up to 6.3
@@mufinsp0 well, the early is-2 has a weaker front lower chasis, basicly almost anything can pen it frontally, the is-2 1944 has a stronger frontal lower chasis that legit only get to pen barely with a 88 or heat and/or apds shells xD
I do find the IS-2 and large-caliber cannons in general hilariously bad in War Thunder with Volumetric, the system definitely helps tanks behave a bit more properly with their armor but at the same time, the larger the gun the more wonky the whole system feels. Whilst I understand how we've arrived at this situation, I very much disagree with the 122 not penning OBVIOUSLY overmatched armor. For the statistics people in the chat an IS-2 with standard APHE is a 25kg(55lb) shell, leaving the barrel at 800m/s(2600 ft/s roughly 300ft/s slower than an M4 carbine 5.56x45mm rifle bullet) which at 1km distant generates roughly 1761 lbf on average on impact or UP TO 3522 lbf. (just for reference a Compact Smart Car weighs in at 1500 lbs, standard Chevy Impala is about 3600-3800 lbs) On top of that when range drops to 500m, roughly double the force amounts. I'm just gonna leave this here, at best you're being hit by a Compact Smart Car, at worst its a full-size family sedan worth of force smacking into your vehicle on a concentrated point (there are pictures of German tanks that were shot in WW2 by an IS-2 or 122mm cannon in general btw, feel free to google that and have a looksee) Hint: it didn't end well. Added: For anyone going to try and rip me a new one for *not accurate numbers* I literally just used a calculator on Bullet Impact I am by no means a specialist or something crunching numbers or reciting facts saying "I can't be wrong". I'm sure the numbers vary in a lot of cases, everything here is an approximation based on paper statistics, even so, that's an eyebrow raising amount of force transfer (Nor do I expect full realism in War Thunder or want it, I think a middle-ground compromise that still makes the game fun is the best option)
Sure it has some power , but it can't be more energy than the IS2 itself has to withstand . The recoil has the same power as the shell , simple law of physics . Some things like muzzle brake lowers it , but a huge amount of energy stays .
@@5co756 I don't disagree, just wanted to point out, I believe the IS-2 has 2 short recoil stabilizers on top of the breech as well as the weight of the gun/breech itself and the side/rear diverting muzzle break. Unless the energy required to propel the shell is greater than the weight of the barrel/strength of the breech internals it shouldn't be a problem to be launching rounds down range *I should also mention that the IS-2 (along with alot of guns/cannons/tanks) don't necessarily have to withstand the force of the impact, just the force required to bring a much smaller, lighter object to a relatively high speed given the explosion of the propellant. Which has somewhere to go besides being completely contained, it will push the shell down the barrel with the expanding gases from the propellant ignition and once it exits the muzzle, the gases will be diverted along with a majority of that force. Though the cannon *does* need to withstand the peaks of pressure created by this interaction
@@richardzehe1552 The force or energy is the same , imagine accelerating a 25kg shell at 800m/s in milliseconds . This is Newtons third law , you can't trick that . 😅 It's not like you shoot a 25kg shell out of the barrel and on impact it hits the tank with a pick up truck at 800m/s . That's like if somebody gets hit with a shotgun in movies and flys 5m back , the shooter would also fly 5m back .
@@5co756 Not to make this comment thread anymore unbearably long but bear with me. I did specifically avoid saying a vehicle "moving at 800m/s", which seems to be the misinterpretation/miswording here that I've caused, to clarify no, I do not think another tank being hit by a 25kg shell moving 800m/s is the same as a vehicle moving at 800m/s. It would be roughly the same amount of force as being hit by a 3500lb vehicle (roughly a family sedan) moving at 96.1m/s (215mph) If that helps to clarify. I Wasn't sure what common place item many people, who aren't very involved in learning about force delivered to a target vs. Projectile Energy would find commonplace. A better comparison would be to state that a 5.56x45mm FMJ (55grains) produces about 1,294 ft/lbs of muzzle *energy* HOWEVER it would only exert a maximum of 0.79 lbf *against a target at a range of 1km.* I did notice however that I used ft/lbs in place of lbf in some places and will correct that in previous comments as they are separate measurements with different purposes. I should also point out that recoil felt for the IS-2 and its crew is not the same as being hit by the projectile; energy dispersion time differences, vehicle weight, cannon component strengths etc. the recoil from the gun of the IS-2 is dispersed over a longer period of time than say the Impact of the shell on target. 1-2 seconds of energy dispersion vs. milliseconds for the impact of the projectile. Another reason why cannons have very large heavy components and are usually found on even heavier vehicles along with having recoil dampening systems in place. For the same reasons that when you shoot a rifle, the rifle doesn't recoil hard enough to go through your shoulder the same as the bullet would, that along with the width, height, etc. of the buttstock against your shoulder and the overall firearms weight. M56 is another good example, 90mm shell but it kicks the front end of the vehicle up to a foot or more off of the ground when it fires; the vehicle is not heavy enough to mitigate the recoil effectively but the breach and barrel are strong enough to withstand the blast inside moving the shell. Not so much a trick of newtons law but you are giving that force a place to go with the equal and opposite force exerted within the cannon. This is also what keeps a cannon from say, ripping the turret off the tank that is firing it, recoil absorption and mitigation along with lots of meticulous vehicle design. I appreciate the respectful way you went about having this discussion and I apologize for how long this all ended up being, I definitely could have worded several things better 😅 anyways, cheers
Volumetric really screwed this thing over because who would've thought that a 122 aphe shell can't fit in many places. Also I hope your surgery went well if you had that yesterday
Your continued usage of halo music, references, and sound effects has singlehandedly brought back enough noatalgia that i went and bought the master chief collection. I finished all of Reach yesterday, started working on CE this morning.
I used to shoot to the back of this tank's turret with M109A1 and it received NO DAMAGE, then it oneshoted me. Respawned with M41A1 and returned, load APDS to it and the shell CANNOT PENETRATE it, then it hit 1 pixel of the commander's hatch and ammo racked me.
Since volumetric made the 122 a nightmare to use, you can try the T-44 with the 85mm gun. It's quite fast, it can sometimes tank a poorly aimed AP shell but the gun is not strong enough for most things frontally, so you gotta flank them. And seeing that you love that playstyle, i think you can make it work.
Ppl praise t44 for its armor and mobility but imo the gun alone makes it a chore to play. And to think t44 100 fixes all issues (aside from turret armor) the normal t44 has .3 br above is very funny to me. 44 100 also has a lot more longevity, that gun works fine t55s at 8.3 and 8.7, u can uptier it and it works just fine, t44 simply explodes
@guvyygvuhh298 Well, in the past, it used to be quite good, but, as usual, gaijin had to ruin it. Ruining things is gaijin's speciality. But still, i think that it can still work as a rat.
It be like that, its gun is still great for the br besides the occasional bs where it crumples against armor a 122mm probably shouldn't. Its armor seems very unreliable tho and the tall siluette that im glad IS 3 seems to fix. Sometimes the armor works wonders, sometimes it can't stop a fart downwind. Ik it has weak spots like any tank but wiggle em or nah the enemies tend to land their shots even over great distances. Best method this far seems sidescraping while hiding the front behind a big rock or building tho, unless they got heat.
I have a full lineup of these and while yes, Tiger 2 gun is kinda better, IS-2 is still pretty good. Anyway, if you downtier it, it absolutely bullies the Germans. When they were 6.3 and you got a full downtier, it was absurd..
Given the utter inconsistency of shooting tanks in this game, Gaijin May as well add the Afghanistan tech tree. Toyota Hylux with a Dshk, a dirt bike with a dood holding an RPG, no planes, but you get a 5 ton suicide car. All at 10.0 of course
Afghan tech tree that consists of a t55, bmp1, btr70 and trucks with guns and ofc a mig21 and also it will be a subtree in the israeli one with some other arab stuff
I just discovered this channel and thank you... most WT channels are a cacophony of memes and sound bites but I finally found one I can actually watch! Great stuff.
Attempt number 22 at getting Spookston to play any tank with a dozer blade, the catch is, he has to dig in before engaging targets. Movement around the map is allowed, but he has to dig in again before reengaging.
Forturn cookie: you have every reason to be confident Spook: Drive infront of a million tanks unscathed and hits a sick moving shot I guess I should start ordering more takeaways
After the patch the Tiger II H gun has a new or changed gun breech that sits waaaay too far in the back of the turret for the loader to be able to reload the gun.
If you think it sits on too high a BR play T32s. A 7.7 tank with a worse gun than the IS2 only faces APDS and HEAT, completely ignoring your only advantage - armor.
@gunther2555 I absolutely love the looks of T32, but that thing is so bad on its BR. The M103 is OK, but that HEAT does no DMG at all, and AP bounces off everything for some reason. As much as I love both tanks, they are currently really bad. On the same BR, I can take Vickers mk.1 and obliterate anything.
@@unclesam5733 agree, HEAT is so random and frustrating and at the reload time is basically a death sentence if you miss/don't pen/kill gunner/commander, so you have to play very carefully.
@gunther2555 Exactly. Took out M103 yesterday. Failed to side pen Centurion mk.10 3x times with the AP. Frontaly, I managed to take out his driver, lmao. Why does that AP bounce of everything? It used to be really good, I got a few nukes with that thing. I just don't understand how can 120mm AP be so bad, but I guess that's just Gaijin logic.
Honestly the only reason the IS-2 or any 122mm gun feels so bad is Volumetric, the smallest section of armor even a 10mm sheet metal plate will act like its made out of the core of a neutron star. the IS-2 used to be one of my fav tanks in the entire game now its just.. depressed and sad due to how many times my BR-471D has been stopped by a German Gun ball mount / Coax Gun barrel or the driver view ports of tanks
Honestly the only reason the IS2 is still viable at 6.7 is either reverse driving IS2s and also BS Volumetric armor. The amount of times I've bounced IS2 mantlets/turret fronts in 76mm/90mm/88mms drives me insane...
I used to love it too had a lot of fun with it. Even with volumetric it used to do fine. I lost the faith in it when it non penned panther turret from front (i know it can go through panther front plate) but still. Gaijin has nerfed the 122 in few recent updates, sometimes it just non pens, bounces or does nothing. Pair that with the horrible reload speed it does not feel worth it. At least is3 has armor benefit, is2's whole huge lower front plate is a weak spot.
Why does this is-2 have such fucking smooth suspension that it may as well be stabilised, while the amx m4, which is even heavier, has helium tanks attached to its tracks, making it bounce all over the place?
@@dinochookproductions5190 I agree, I have a k/d of almost 3 with it, which is by far my highest of all the vehicles I regularly use. I still get jealous and salty when I get nuked with a poorly aimed aphe round though
Was going to play the IS-3, IS-4, IS-6 but when i realized how painful is the 122mm to use and the amount of heat vehicle, i gave up and went straight for t-10 and t-54
8th time challenging Spookston to bring the Char 25t into an 8.3 lineup, and then incrementally increase the BR until the tank becomes actually unplayable.
as a person who has been playing for a while and maxed out everything in the game, I was so excited for this video ngl and its a banger aswell. The is-2 is one of the most fun heavy tanks in the game and i would recommend everyone to use it.
Yeah, the 122 is either [5:08] or [13:03]. 6.7 is an excessive br for this thing, it was fine on 6.3. Generally the lower the br and shorter the reload this gun becomes way more fun... Saying so... ISU-122S when?
Its fine at 6.7. You also forget that most tanks from 5.3 and beyond went up 0.3. The exception being a few tanks that helps the lineups stay relevant. IF the T34 and Tiger 2 H went up then 6.7 would just be filler for the upper tiers.
When this and the t44 were 6.3 it was a very good lineup, especially combined with the t44122 which was basically if the aforementioned tanks had a baby
@@fabianj.5128 everyone knows playing UK means that you hate yourself and as a UK main i agree using solid shot is handicapping yourself when a tank with less pen can one shot the same shot
6.7 is just an absolute mess in general. ALL Pershings are 6.7, so you literally have the triangle of speed (M26), armor (Jumbo Persh) and firepower (Super Persh) in one lineup, alongside the other American super heavies
7:25 Personally I get it. If I die on a flank/cap, usually that flank/cap is the one I wanted to play or value the most. When I respawn, I will go back, and remember the person who killed me as I now deem them the biggest threat to my team, and my personal goals.
One amazing part about the IS-2 is the suspension, you can often stop way before your opponents and fire or even fire on the move (unless they have stabilizers)
I think the IS-2 has the same problem as the Tiger II, it's an amazing almost OP tank when it's top tier and it absolutely sucks when its low tier. The whole 6.0-6.7 range is just somewhat broken in that regard.
@@russman3787 I don't mean they are the same. They're actually quite different despite being "heavy tanks". But both are hard to kill in a down tier and kill almost anything they face in one shot. What the IS-2 lacks in reload speed it makes up in size, the much smaller profile makes it easier to hide and take cover. The armour protection is less on paper but it's stalinium with weird angles that magically bounces shots, so who knows. I do think the Tiger II is a better tank in the game tho, if you play it right.
What I don't understand is why the IS-2s got nerfed. I understand Russian bias is a bit of a thing in War Thunder, but not for the IS-2. Even back when the 1943 model was 5.7 and the 1944 model was 6.3, they weren't considered very good because of that lengthy reload. But now they're 6.3 and 6.7 respectively and they're just not up to snuff compared to the King Tigers or the T34 heavy tank.
Not to mention that they’re also going up against tanks from the 70s and 80s in many cases. I don’t even like seeing the PT-76 to be honest, it just ruins the immersion of a WWII tank on a WWII battlefield and all the sudden seeing a light tank from the early 1950s. I’m not ready yet for the game to turn into a Korean War/ Operation Unthinkable simulator.
At this point I just think that Stalin misheard his generals talking about depression, thinking it had to deal with the morale of his troops, and told them to get rid of it, and everyone was too scared of him to correct or disobey him.
this was added in the update today: "In Ground Realistic Battles, the ability to fly a nuclear carrying aircraft without leaving the current controlled vehicle has been added."
I'm impressed how almost 10 minutes in you had 3 enemies that actually understood and tried to coordinate around firing lanes to leave you no answer. A lot of the videos its kinda like, they saw you *bap* or your weak armor/end was available to hit. But that was just good teamwork there it seemed! Kudos to that group that day.
Yeah the Obj 248 is still my go to in that lineup. The 100mm is just so much better to carry games with. Do feel like it should be 6.3 since the T44-100 is substantially better at just .3 higher.
One of my most used vehicles (IS-6 being #1). But man oh man do the IS tanks not give the most grief with that lonnnng ahh reload time. Waiting ≈20 per IS shot is hell. Great video, man! I love seeing you use my favorite nations heavy tanks.
it was worth the wait with regular is2, but since is2 1944 can already have difficulties penning targets in uptier the 20 seconds really becomes a pain. Can't imagine how unreliable that gun becomes with is3 and above. I mean yeah aiming has a lot to do with it, but in some situations you gotta be quick on your feet and risk it or die, if you miss the weak spot big deal take cover and try again right? well with other tanks anyway, with IS tanks if you miss a weak spot and non pen, you either A: lose 20% of your sanity from wasting a chance and having to wait humiliating 20 seconds, or B: they know you have a long reload and will just rush you. If i need to aim for tiny weakspots like anyone else but have twice the reload i don't think its a good tradeoff to have big boom anymore. It was fair for when you can almost pen enemies anywhere to kinda balance it out. Moment of silence to kv2 users tho who almost have double the reload, would honestly leave the match if i missed with that
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 The gun honestly does not struggle much on the IS-3 and IS-4, after playing the IS series tabks for a long time I figured that they can pen just about anything if you aim properly
You should play the absolute drift machine known as the Autoblinda 43. It’s the same chassis as the AS 42s with an upgraded version of the gun found on the AS 42/47. It also gets access to HE, which assists in bullying enemy rat vehicles. Its also surprisingly survivable, probably because it doesnt have enough armor to fuse most rounds, yet still enough to fend off a coaxial (barely)
Spookston you should try the T-10A. It hasn’t much changed since it was first added but it is so much fun to play once you know the enemies weakspots. The mobility is really good, the armor is decent enough to stop some rounds, the short stab is amazing along with the high zoom optics, the twin Dshks can rip apart most lights, and a 16 second reload ain’t half bad for a 122. It’s my favorite heavy in the game and I’d love to see you revisit it.
Reminder that volumetric is the absolute worst. Also if you guys could subscribe that would be great, I have some stuff I want to announce but I want to wait until the 400k QnA video
What is the best way to play the M4(76) Jumbo?
new merch possibly?
Day 141 of asking spookston to play the 15cm sIG 33b sfl
Gotta love how they still haven't fixed volumetric and every time they "fix" the maps they somehow become even worse but don't worry, they'll be introducing a new 70 dollar premium for every tech tree in every update, that's the important stuff.
Volumetric is the absolute worst, yeah it do
IS 2 vs Panther D turret, non pen
Starts off playing the IS-2 with poor luck, eats fortune cookie, proceeds to not get CAS bombed and do quite well with the IS-2. Maybe Spookston needs a pick me up fortune cookie every time he encounters a tank that he might hate to use.
Amazing how few times he was even targetted by CAS, considering he was fighting USA almost every round.
The fortune cookie bypassed his curse!
And Panda Express is a good Chinese place, glad to know your fam eats there
Half-Chinese person here; it’s *technically* not Chinese food but goddamn it I’m gonna treat it like it is. It’s good fucking food.
If he folded a thousand paper cranes in a year, would he be able to escape cas for the year?
Bro second guesses himself sooo much on ranges
>Kills half the enemy team
>Wonders why players spawn back in and try to stop him
>eats fortune cookies
5:36 "that bush looks like a tank' *shows four pixels*
no it was like 3
Literally got a match where a rock looks like a Panther, schizo moment I swear
Four fucking pixels
@@xxxD3FC0N_1xxx Beat me to it xd
you guys are way too good i cant see a tank point blank
Fortune Cookie: You have every right to be confident
Spookston: Uhm no I dont
Also Spookston: Blindshot moving kill 5 seconds later
> Eats a fortune cookie
> Gets +15 luck
activate 150% booster
-500 luck
@@EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEwastaken Activate 500% booster
Instadeath
@@EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEwastakenjust get a bunch of 10x boosters or somethin
Also removes curses
Spookston bingo:
[X] "oh hello"
[X] "ope"
[X] foreshadowing of catastrophic future events
[X] PFFFFFF
[X] "you cannot be for real"
[X] bombed
[X] "jeez Louise"
[X] intense pleading
[X] "I'm gonna cry"
Add the following as optionals:
[ ] Plays ground RB, looks inside, planes
[X] Can I pls win
[ ] (When playing any german Tank): Insulting Germany for making bad tanks
[X] (When playing soviet Tanks): Complaing about gun depression
[X] Complaing about full uptiers/getting one (and by one I mean like 70% of games)
@@felraksis [ ] Complaining about german teammates
Not gonna lie, Spookston may be the reason I've been saying "Jeez Louise" a lot recently.
[X] says a Word in spanish
[X] “get clowned on”
Ah, the IS-2. I got it to grind the Soviet tree, seeing what a menace it was in downtiers. However, here are some fun facts I learned about it.
1. 90% are full uptiers, so fighting vehicles from the 80s is not unusual.
2. It’s the same battle rating as such things like the Tiger 2 and the T34, that are better than it in every way.
3. A 122 to a tank’s barrel does indeed NOT break it.
4. Despite having a 19mm fuse, it will not fuse on many vehicles.
5. Despite having 200 mm of pen, it will not pen many vehicles.
6. An M26 driver can eat an entire 122 APHE and save the tank.
7. A duster driver can eat an entire 122 APHE and save the vehicle.
8. CAS magnet.
9. The IS 2 fuel is more explosive than nuclear bombs.
10. Using this tank has taught me to be a rat.
I would like to add that :
1. Milk trucks can and will survive a 122mm round directly into the chassis (Gaijin pls bring back hull break)
2. No matter the caliber, a Panther’s mantlet is the closest thing in the universe to an immovable object
3. The loader is the most vital member of the crew
4. They call it a heavy tank just because it’s slow
5. Good thing you don’t have to aim for weakspots, because they would have to really try in order to not hit yours
I've found myself enjoying it as a backup to my 2S3M and 2S1 for engames. Most people got their big scary heavies out of the way and you don't see enough people in endgame for the reload to be much issue. It's also increadibly ratty as you can just annihilate anything that isn't a T32 (it can actually pen a T34's ufp and front turret weakspots, or a tiger 2H's slightly angled side armor as it's only 80mm). Your biggest enemies are:
-vlad on his toyota pickup with bertha, his heavy machinegun
-that one vk30.02M that for some reason has the same pen as you, enough he filler to oneshot you and a quarter of the reload. Same obviously applies to every. Fcking. Medium tank at that br bracket
-bombs.
-a slightly concave terrain
@@mhplayerYou can pen T32 Ufp in the MG port but you need to aim to do that while T32... Well as it was said before, he really needs to try his best to not OS you cuz IS2 armor is a thing.
@@mhplayerman that sounds like a great line up. after you get CAS MG'd to death in your 2s1 and 2s3, you can get bombed in your is2. war thunder gaming is so pog
@@sneakycactus8815 that's why you have the praga... To also get strafed immediatly after getting out of spawn xd i also keep a T-34 for mobility and honestly it's quite fun to use so i bring it up to 6.3
12:10 "Spookston had, in fact, every reason to be confident. However, he was certainly not"
The IS-2’s going up has been a massive proxy buff to the KV-122 lol
That is still at 5.3 and its effectively the same as the 6.3 Is-2
@@mufinsp0 well, the early is-2 has a weaker front lower chasis, basicly almost anything can pen it frontally, the is-2 1944 has a stronger frontal lower chasis that legit only get to pen barely with a 88 or heat and/or apds shells xD
money money money
You have every reason to be confident
"No I don't!"
Immediately lands an absolutely ridiculous hail Mary shot
I do find the IS-2 and large-caliber cannons in general hilariously bad in War Thunder with Volumetric, the system definitely helps tanks behave a bit more properly with their armor but at the same time, the larger the gun the more wonky the whole system feels. Whilst I understand how we've arrived at this situation, I very much disagree with the 122 not penning OBVIOUSLY overmatched armor.
For the statistics people in the chat an IS-2 with standard APHE is a 25kg(55lb) shell, leaving the barrel at 800m/s(2600 ft/s roughly 300ft/s slower than an M4 carbine 5.56x45mm rifle bullet) which at 1km distant generates roughly 1761 lbf on average on impact or UP TO 3522 lbf. (just for reference a Compact Smart Car weighs in at 1500 lbs, standard Chevy Impala is about 3600-3800 lbs) On top of that when range drops to 500m, roughly double the force amounts. I'm just gonna leave this here, at best you're being hit by a Compact Smart Car, at worst its a full-size family sedan worth of force smacking into your vehicle on a concentrated point (there are pictures of German tanks that were shot in WW2 by an IS-2 or 122mm cannon in general btw, feel free to google that and have a looksee) Hint: it didn't end well.
Added: For anyone going to try and rip me a new one for *not accurate numbers* I literally just used a calculator on Bullet Impact I am by no means a specialist or something crunching numbers or reciting facts saying "I can't be wrong". I'm sure the numbers vary in a lot of cases, everything here is an approximation based on paper statistics, even so, that's an eyebrow raising amount of force transfer
(Nor do I expect full realism in War Thunder or want it, I think a middle-ground compromise that still makes the game fun is the best option)
Sure it has some power , but it can't be more energy than the IS2 itself has to withstand . The recoil has the same power as the shell , simple law of physics . Some things like muzzle brake lowers it , but a huge amount of energy stays .
@@5co756 I don't disagree, just wanted to point out, I believe the IS-2 has 2 short recoil stabilizers on top of the breech as well as the weight of the gun/breech itself and the side/rear diverting muzzle break. Unless the energy required to propel the shell is greater than the weight of the barrel/strength of the breech internals it shouldn't be a problem to be launching rounds down range
*I should also mention that the IS-2 (along with alot of guns/cannons/tanks) don't necessarily have to withstand the force of the impact, just the force required to bring a much smaller, lighter object to a relatively high speed given the explosion of the propellant. Which has somewhere to go besides being completely contained, it will push the shell down the barrel with the expanding gases from the propellant ignition and once it exits the muzzle, the gases will be diverted along with a majority of that force. Though the cannon *does* need to withstand the peaks of pressure created by this interaction
@@richardzehe1552 The force or energy is the same , imagine accelerating a 25kg shell at 800m/s in milliseconds . This is Newtons third law , you can't trick that . 😅
It's not like you shoot a 25kg shell out of the barrel and on impact it hits the tank with a pick up truck at 800m/s . That's like if somebody gets hit with a shotgun in movies and flys 5m back , the shooter would also fly 5m back .
@@5co756 Not to make this comment thread anymore unbearably long but bear with me. I did specifically avoid saying a vehicle "moving at 800m/s", which seems to be the misinterpretation/miswording here that I've caused, to clarify no, I do not think another tank being hit by a 25kg shell moving 800m/s is the same as a vehicle moving at 800m/s. It would be roughly the same amount of force as being hit by a 3500lb vehicle (roughly a family sedan) moving at 96.1m/s (215mph) If that helps to clarify. I Wasn't sure what common place item many people, who aren't very involved in learning about force delivered to a target vs. Projectile Energy would find commonplace. A better comparison would be to state that a 5.56x45mm FMJ (55grains) produces about 1,294 ft/lbs of muzzle *energy* HOWEVER it would only exert a maximum of 0.79 lbf *against a target at a range of 1km.* I did notice however that I used ft/lbs in place of lbf in some places and will correct that in previous comments as they are separate measurements with different purposes. I should also point out that recoil felt for the IS-2 and its crew is not the same as being hit by the projectile; energy dispersion time differences, vehicle weight, cannon component strengths etc. the recoil from the gun of the IS-2 is dispersed over a longer period of time than say the Impact of the shell on target. 1-2 seconds of energy dispersion vs. milliseconds for the impact of the projectile. Another reason why cannons have very large heavy components and are usually found on even heavier vehicles along with having recoil dampening systems in place. For the same reasons that when you shoot a rifle, the rifle doesn't recoil hard enough to go through your shoulder the same as the bullet would, that along with the width, height, etc. of the buttstock against your shoulder and the overall firearms weight. M56 is another good example, 90mm shell but it kicks the front end of the vehicle up to a foot or more off of the ground when it fires; the vehicle is not heavy enough to mitigate the recoil effectively but the breach and barrel are strong enough to withstand the blast inside moving the shell. Not so much a trick of newtons law but you are giving that force a place to go with the equal and opposite force exerted within the cannon. This is also what keeps a cannon from say, ripping the turret off the tank that is firing it, recoil absorption and mitigation along with lots of meticulous vehicle design.
I appreciate the respectful way you went about having this discussion and I apologize for how long this all ended up being, I definitely could have worded several things better 😅
anyways, cheers
*d o n ' t e v e r c a l l i t f u n*
3:20
"Are you serious"
"Youve gyeaott to be pulling my leg"
"You cannot be real"
Gaijin was not, in fact, pulling his leg.
@@Michael-uc2pn gyat?
BINGO!
Spookstin GYATT confirmed?
jeez louise
Them removing the satisfying clunk when firing this gun is the worst thing they ever did to this game
Any mods available?
Volumetric really screwed this thing over because who would've thought that a 122 aphe shell can't fit in many places. Also I hope your surgery went well if you had that yesterday
I don't have it until next week
@@Spookston I may be stupid
@FatherGrigori it was delayed
either way I hope it goes well man
What are you having surgery on
Your continued usage of halo music, references, and sound effects has singlehandedly brought back enough noatalgia that i went and bought the master chief collection. I finished all of Reach yesterday, started working on CE this morning.
1:42, 2:27
When a 122mm APHE successfully fuses on an un-angled 25mm plate but fails to do any damage to a 30mm angled plate:
I used to shoot to the back of this tank's turret with M109A1 and it received NO DAMAGE, then it oneshoted me. Respawned with M41A1 and returned, load APDS to it and the shell CANNOT PENETRATE it, then it hit 1 pixel of the commander's hatch and ammo racked me.
9:50 yeah that was a literal mugging. Dude came out of the alley way and shanked you
one fortune cookie a video should be the new tradition
6:56 spookston when he discovers missing a shot:
When the 120S comes out you should play that
Already did
Since volumetric made the 122 a nightmare to use, you can try the T-44 with the 85mm gun. It's quite fast, it can sometimes tank a poorly aimed AP shell but the gun is not strong enough for most things frontally, so you gotta flank them. And seeing that you love that playstyle, i think you can make it work.
Ppl praise t44 for its armor and mobility but imo the gun alone makes it a chore to play. And to think t44 100 fixes all issues (aside from turret armor) the normal t44 has .3 br above is very funny to me.
44 100 also has a lot more longevity, that gun works fine t55s at 8.3 and 8.7, u can uptier it and it works just fine, t44 simply explodes
@guvyygvuhh298 Well, in the past, it used to be quite good, but, as usual, gaijin had to ruin it. Ruining things is gaijin's speciality. But still, i think that it can still work as a rat.
Man, I have such a love-Hate relationship with the IS-2. Sometimes it IT go boom, sometimes I go boom
It be like that, its gun is still great for the br besides the occasional bs where it crumples against armor a 122mm probably shouldn't. Its armor seems very unreliable tho and the tall siluette that im glad IS 3 seems to fix. Sometimes the armor works wonders, sometimes it can't stop a fart downwind. Ik it has weak spots like any tank but wiggle em or nah the enemies tend to land their shots even over great distances. Best method this far seems sidescraping while hiding the front behind a big rock or building tho, unless they got heat.
4:16 "Can I get some gun depression por favor". Dutch Van Der Linde energy
🇧🇷
Gunner needs to do some yoga after every battle
12:19 He doubted the fortune cookie and it still delivered on that shot.
Gaijin toward 122mm D-25 guns be like: "Pay real money for KV-122, or suffer"
I have a full lineup of these and while yes, Tiger 2 gun is kinda better, IS-2 is still pretty good.
Anyway, if you downtier it, it absolutely bullies the Germans.
When they were 6.3 and you got a full downtier, it was absurd..
why was it the Xvideo's X on 0:31
LOL
Why did you recognize it
@@niclaszelmer4762 why do you ask
Ayo
Given the utter inconsistency of shooting tanks in this game, Gaijin May as well add the Afghanistan tech tree. Toyota Hylux with a Dshk, a dirt bike with a dood holding an RPG, no planes, but you get a 5 ton suicide car. All at 10.0 of course
And captured U.S vehicles, but every component starts at a dark orange.
@@lukevelderman4040outdated soviet shit aswell (sometimes)
😂😂😂 Y did this make me wheeze. Bro had me on life support
Afghan tech tree that consists of a t55, bmp1, btr70 and trucks with guns and ofc a mig21 and also it will be a subtree in the israeli one with some other arab stuff
Imagine how many captured american premiums they can sell.
I just discovered this channel and thank you... most WT channels are a cacophony of memes and sound bites but I finally found one I can actually watch! Great stuff.
You might enjoy dollar plays as well.
Attempt number 22 at getting Spookston to play any tank with a dozer blade, the catch is, he has to dig in before engaging targets. Movement around the map is allowed, but he has to dig in again before reengaging.
just dozer blade whole game
What a pointless mechanic!!!
that shot on the scorpion didn't even fuse, some poor commander watched his gunner get physically removed from the vehicle by a 122
That shot at 3:16 reminds me that I'm having tracks block shots a lot more frequently than usual lately.
It's better to over shoot then under shoot, as if you overshoot while aiming at the hull, you may hit the head, if you undershoot, you hit the ground
Forturn cookie: you have every reason to be confident
Spook: Drive infront of a million tanks unscathed and hits a sick moving shot
I guess I should start ordering more takeaways
Since you have now played the most frustrating heavy tank, it's time to play the most frustrating tank destroyer, Zachlam Tager time baby.
Okay now do the ISU-122s. It’s legitimately fun, mainly because the reload isn’t 80 billion years, only 40 billion. I love it on long range maps ngl
This is now the 23rd time I've asked Spookston to play the DF 105. I don't even remember how many days it's been💀
Bro I was literally playing this thing last night and I enjoyed it a lot just the long reload is hard to manage, sweet video
After the patch the Tiger II H gun has a new or changed gun breech that sits waaaay too far in the back of the turret for the loader to be able to reload the gun.
We need a fortune cookie for every video from now on
I think a video on the m2a2 light tank would be both fun for you and funny for us, a win win for eveyone
If you think it sits on too high a BR play T32s. A 7.7 tank with a worse gun than the IS2 only faces APDS and HEAT, completely ignoring your only advantage - armor.
Ahh man, I suffered so much on T32's against soviet T-54's, T-55's and IS-4/6/7. And then I unlocked M103. I still struggled but it somewhat helped.
@gunther2555 I absolutely love the looks of T32, but that thing is so bad on its BR. The M103 is OK, but that HEAT does no DMG at all, and AP bounces off everything for some reason. As much as I love both tanks, they are currently really bad. On the same BR, I can take Vickers mk.1 and obliterate anything.
@@unclesam5733 agree, HEAT is so random and frustrating and at the reload time is basically a death sentence if you miss/don't pen/kill gunner/commander, so you have to play very carefully.
@gunther2555 Exactly. Took out M103 yesterday. Failed to side pen Centurion mk.10 3x times with the AP. Frontaly, I managed to take out his driver, lmao. Why does that AP bounce of everything? It used to be really good, I got a few nukes with that thing. I just don't understand how can 120mm AP be so bad, but I guess that's just Gaijin logic.
@@unclesam5733 Volumetrics broke the big calibre AP shells🥴. I suffered equally on IS-2's, the Jagdpanther and T-54
Soviet Gun depression = Your gun gives you depression
That drivers optic is insane, I hit a part of it that was over 500mm thick in the hangar.
Honestly the only reason the IS-2 or any 122mm gun feels so bad is Volumetric, the smallest section of armor even a 10mm sheet metal plate will act like its made out of the core of a neutron star.
the IS-2 used to be one of my fav tanks in the entire game now its just.. depressed and sad due to how many times my BR-471D has been stopped by a German Gun ball mount / Coax Gun barrel or the driver view ports of tanks
Honestly the only reason the IS2 is still viable at 6.7 is either reverse driving IS2s and also BS Volumetric armor. The amount of times I've bounced IS2 mantlets/turret fronts in 76mm/90mm/88mms drives me insane...
I used to love it too had a lot of fun with it. Even with volumetric it used to do fine. I lost the faith in it when it non penned panther turret from front (i know it can go through panther front plate) but still. Gaijin has nerfed the 122 in few recent updates, sometimes it just non pens, bounces or does nothing. Pair that with the horrible reload speed it does not feel worth it. At least is3 has armor benefit, is2's whole huge lower front plate is a weak spot.
Why does this is-2 have such fucking smooth suspension that it may as well be stabilised, while the amx m4, which is even heavier, has helium tanks attached to its tracks, making it bounce all over the place?
The amx is French so they were busy protesting while designing the tank suspension
amx m4 is so good now since it got its shell buffed
@@dinochookproductions5190 I agree, I have a k/d of almost 3 with it, which is by far my highest of all the vehicles I regularly use. I still get jealous and salty when I get nuked with a poorly aimed aphe round though
now on this episode of "light tank flanker enthusiest plays heavy tank with no gun depression and a long reload"
Was going to play the IS-3, IS-4, IS-6 but when i realized how painful is the 122mm to use and the amount of heat vehicle, i gave up and went straight for t-10 and t-54
8th time challenging Spookston to bring the Char 25t into an 8.3 lineup, and then incrementally increase the BR until the tank becomes actually unplayable.
@@russman3787 Or increase the repair costs for France.
as a person who has been playing for a while and maxed out everything in the game, I was so excited for this video ngl and its a banger aswell. The is-2 is one of the most fun heavy tanks in the game and i would recommend everyone to use it.
Yeah, the 122 is either [5:08] or [13:03]. 6.7 is an excessive br for this thing, it was fine on 6.3. Generally the lower the br and shorter the reload this gun becomes way more fun... Saying so... ISU-122S when?
Its fine at 6.7. You also forget that most tanks from 5.3 and beyond went up 0.3. The exception being a few tanks that helps the lineups stay relevant. IF the T34 and Tiger 2 H went up then 6.7 would just be filler for the upper tiers.
When this and the t44 were 6.3 it was a very good lineup, especially combined with the t44122 which was basically if the aforementioned tanks had a baby
IS-2 1944 is pretty goofy looking
Tbh it looks better then the 1943 one
Even more with the net modification
@@nightnovischicken coop
It’s basically a light tank turret on a heavy tank chassis with a massive chin, and somehow the tracks seem too small for it. (Appearance wise)
Average Soviet design philosophy shitting up the irl vehicle moment.
Spookston using fortune cookies to increase luck while playing war thunder is content I never knew I needed
"now it is a speedrun depression"
Try playing Strv 101...
This is a world record
Just play the normal Cent. Mark 3, it has an overall worse lineup and Shell Shatters more often because gaijin hates NATO tanks (except Israel/sweden)
@@gamergumilyov8579 oh.
Ok, i'm just doing sweedish tech tree, that's why.
@@fabianj.5128 everyone knows playing UK means that you hate yourself and as a UK main i agree using solid shot is handicapping yourself when a tank with less pen can one shot the same shot
12:10 "You have every reason to be confident, uurrrr No I F***Ing don't! Do you see what tank I'm in??" ~ Spookston 2024 playing an overpowered IS2
M42 contraero video when, it’s so good trust
Holy hell that fortune cookie was correct after that shot you made after reading it!
6.7 is just an absolute mess in general. ALL Pershings are 6.7, so you literally have the triangle of speed (M26), armor (Jumbo Persh) and firepower (Super Persh) in one lineup, alongside the other American super heavies
@@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824 the is-2 1944 is just ridiculous too
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 in what way? armor=no
speed=no
firepower=ehh
reload=NO
50cal that destroys planes=YES
@@Sigurdur_the_bumbling_idiot ridiculously bad I meant
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 fair enough Saul Goodman
me being a lvl 20 player playing agains the US in 6.7 looking at range ''is that a M62, M62E1, a T26E1-1, a T26E5 or one of the heavy tanks?''
Soviet gun depression gives me depression, and I don't even play soviet vehicles
Day 125 of asking spookston to play the Btr-80a
7:25 Personally I get it. If I die on a flank/cap, usually that flank/cap is the one I wanted to play or value the most. When I respawn, I will go back, and remember the person who killed me as I now deem them the biggest threat to my team, and my personal goals.
Remember the old 122mm sound? God that was so good.
Loved the metalic sound, why Gaijin changed it?
@@ousou78 everytime i heard the 122mm i thought to myself "thy end is now"
One amazing part about the IS-2 is the suspension, you can often stop way before your opponents and fire or even fire on the move (unless they have stabilizers)
I think the IS-2 has the same problem as the Tiger II, it's an amazing almost OP tank when it's top tier and it absolutely sucks when its low tier. The whole 6.0-6.7 range is just somewhat broken in that regard.
@@russman3787 I don't mean they are the same. They're actually quite different despite being "heavy tanks".
But both are hard to kill in a down tier and kill almost anything they face in one shot.
What the IS-2 lacks in reload speed it makes up in size, the much smaller profile makes it easier to hide and take cover.
The armour protection is less on paper but it's stalinium with weird angles that magically bounces shots, so who knows.
I do think the Tiger II is a better tank in the game tho, if you play it right.
What I don't understand is why the IS-2s got nerfed. I understand Russian bias is a bit of a thing in War Thunder, but not for the IS-2. Even back when the 1943 model was 5.7 and the 1944 model was 6.3, they weren't considered very good because of that lengthy reload. But now they're 6.3 and 6.7 respectively and they're just not up to snuff compared to the King Tigers or the T34 heavy tank.
Not to mention that they’re also going up against tanks from the 70s and 80s in many cases. I don’t even like seeing the PT-76 to be honest, it just ruins the immersion of a WWII tank on a WWII battlefield and all the sudden seeing a light tank from the early 1950s. I’m not ready yet for the game to turn into a Korean War/ Operation Unthinkable simulator.
Day 21 of asking Spookston to play the Sk 105A2
Spookston you should rename this video "spookston slow descent into madness" lol.
Day 3 of asking Spookston to play the M103
Is-2 being able to have an is-6 on team is insane
T44-100 is your thing.
8:03 "lights seeing a heavy"
Edit 11:53 spookston asmr
Day 67 of asking Spookston to play the ikv 72
I love to bully those tanks but it’s confusing how m6a1 and m36 are way too tanky
Day 91 of asking Spookston to play the t-35.
I don't know how to explain it but the IS-2 is the most "Tank-looking" Tank there is
At this point I just think that Stalin misheard his generals talking about depression, thinking it had to deal with the morale of his troops, and told them to get rid of it, and everyone was too scared of him to correct or disobey him.
this was added in the update today:
"In Ground Realistic Battles, the ability to fly a nuclear carrying aircraft without leaving the current controlled vehicle has been added."
Imagine the controls are slaved together so every input effects both vehicles.
Spookston: NooO My GUn DepREssiOn Is Too BaD
also spookston: 9:17 Proceeds to murder a child
8:43 “Why is this 6.7 again?”
Also JS-2 at anything lower than 6.3:
i literally cannot see anything op about either of these,even at their previous br,nothing close to OP
Day 12 of asking Spookston to play some of the worst spaa in game, the M19/42 dusters
you did not just encounter a ATGM carrier at 6.3
"That scorpion is still alive"
...FUCKING WHAT SCORPION!? My man's detected an enemy vehicle from a colorless blob of background noise.
I'm impressed how almost 10 minutes in you had 3 enemies that actually understood and tried to coordinate around firing lanes to leave you no answer. A lot of the videos its kinda like, they saw you *bap* or your weak armor/end was available to hit. But that was just good teamwork there it seemed! Kudos to that group that day.
I'd like to see you play "Celere Sahariano" the italy premium tank at br.2.7 (He looks very cute)
I might be wrong and I don’t think it would change much, however I believe there’s an Event IS-2 in the tech tree that has increased armour
You know gaijin knew they over tiered this tank when they gave it an upgraded shell when they uptiered it
As you like to play light and nimble tanks, I recommend you to play the JPz 4-5 as it is very fast and nimble and has 300+ mm pen on HEAT-FS
Yeah the Obj 248 is still my go to in that lineup. The 100mm is just so much better to carry games with. Do feel like it should be 6.3 since the T44-100 is substantially better at just .3 higher.
they do not balance tanks based on its comparison to one vehicle alone. The obj 248 would be too good at a lower br. I have it too and i love it.
Perfect timing because I just burned my hand on an exhaust and got sent home ❤❤
youch!
YEWOCCCHHHH!!!!
Had to call on the fortune cookie to make the tank work... I'm done 😭😭😭
One of my most used vehicles (IS-6 being #1).
But man oh man do the IS tanks not give the most grief with that lonnnng ahh reload time. Waiting ≈20 per IS shot is hell.
Great video, man! I love seeing you use my favorite nations heavy tanks.
it was worth the wait with regular is2, but since is2 1944 can already have difficulties penning targets in uptier the 20 seconds really becomes a pain. Can't imagine how unreliable that gun becomes with is3 and above. I mean yeah aiming has a lot to do with it, but in some situations you gotta be quick on your feet and risk it or die, if you miss the weak spot big deal take cover and try again right? well with other tanks anyway, with IS tanks if you miss a weak spot and non pen, you either A: lose 20% of your sanity from wasting a chance and having to wait humiliating 20 seconds, or B: they know you have a long reload and will just rush you. If i need to aim for tiny weakspots like anyone else but have twice the reload i don't think its a good tradeoff to have big boom anymore. It was fair for when you can almost pen enemies anywhere to kinda balance it out. Moment of silence to kv2 users tho who almost have double the reload, would honestly leave the match if i missed with that
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 The gun honestly does not struggle much on the IS-3 and IS-4, after playing the IS series tabks for a long time I figured that they can pen just about anything if you aim properly
You should play the absolute drift machine known as the Autoblinda 43. It’s the same chassis as the AS 42s with an upgraded version of the gun found on the AS 42/47. It also gets access to HE, which assists in bullying enemy rat vehicles. Its also surprisingly survivable, probably because it doesnt have enough armor to fuse most rounds, yet still enough to fend off a coaxial (barely)
the IS-2m aka 1944 is at 6.7 because some tankers know how to use the massive gun and end up with a 6/0 kd most matches
Maybe if we all J out before starting a match with this tank, Gaijin will think that it’s performing terribly and will finally downtier it again.
I always love every time spook gets slapped down when his hubris reaches a certain level 😂
Spookston you should try the T-10A. It hasn’t much changed since it was first added but it is so much fun to play once you know the enemies weakspots. The mobility is really good, the armor is decent enough to stop some rounds, the short stab is amazing along with the high zoom optics, the twin Dshks can rip apart most lights, and a 16 second reload ain’t half bad for a 122. It’s my favorite heavy in the game and I’d love to see you revisit it.
"can i get some gun depression, POR FAVOR" got me in so many ways LOL 4:10
Spookston be like: The gun lacks depression, but I certainly don't.
love how the is2 can pen the t34 heavy tanks hull pretty much anywhere and the t34 with solid shot can only pen the lfp and does no dmg at all.
When a tank is so inconsistent that the only way for you to feel even slightly confident is to use fortune telling.