For the first 2 years of my career (2020-2022) I didn't understand how to use the tools in my camera to expose correctly, and even though everyone said "expose correctly", I didn't know HOW. I knew the screen wasn't trustworthy, and finally figured out how to use the histogram and zebras, and now waveforms and false color on my monitor. If you use zebras, set Z1 to 55 and Z2 to 85 or 90, as the clipping point for Clog3 is around 94 IRE. I always set one of my thumb buttons on my R6 as toggle zebras on and off, so that I can check during a recording.
Thanks, happy you liked it! Remember back in the old days when Peter was a very highly relatable character, not pouring money into Leicas and stuff? That's me.
Super helpful video, thank you! If you wanted to push the Color grade further, do you have any luts that you could recommend for the R7? There seem to be 10 trillion lut packs out there and as a relative newbie to video, not sure where to start. 🙏🏻
I usually don’t use luts, as they are usually just crushing the footage so badly and there are always things that just don’t fit my needs 😄 i usually do the color grades myself, but there really are not that many cases in which you would actually need to do huge amounts of grading. Just basic CLOG3 -> rec709 and then color correction for natural colors.
Don't know if you're still looking for this, but honestly the LUTs you can download from the camera body's support page on Canon's website are really good. Just use the right one for what Color space you're using (e.g. CLOG3 Cinema Gamut => Rec.709) or whatever is appropriate.
Timo, I understand that each person has their own way of doing things, but personally, I believe that a monitor would be very helpful, maybe not convenient for anyone looking for a running and gunning configuration.ñ but I've learned the hard way not to rely solely on the histogram, so perhaps utilizing other proper video exposure tools like waveforms or false colors would be beneficial. If you happen to use a similar configuration, I would love to hear your opinion on it. Perhaps you could do a pros and cons video about it.
Monitor is absolutely one of the most helpful tools you can buy for your filmmaking, and I use one myself constantly. But this is for the ones who are just starting out with making videos snd dipping their toes into world of LOG profiles 👍🏻 And yes, the video about my R7 filmmaking setup is on its way 👍🏻
Loved this video, in terms of content, thumbnail, pacing, vibe, practically everything. I think maybe the music coulda phased out while you were talking thats my only suggestion. Loved the doggy joke "Im out", lol.
Thank you brother for the sharing knowledge about r7 ! Just bought less than 1 month and still studying,i just purchased sigma 35mm which is ff lens,if you have this lens maybe you can share us your experience with ff lens on crop body camera? Thank you brother!
@@Itskhyshot Oh you are going to love it! I tested it a while back, and it was SOOO GOOD with the quality! Basicly it doesn’t matter if you are using FF lenses with a cropframe camera. Ofc the photos are cropped, but the quality stays the same, and with ART series lenses it is just magical 👍🏻
@@Itskhyshot I am thinking about getting either 16mm or 24mm from Sigma next, it serves my needs better atm, but surely I will make a street photography video on that too! Do you got photos on IG by the way?
Hello and thanks for this video ! i have a question ( i have the R7 as well ) : if you must choose one and ONLY ONE lense for the R7, which one u choose ? what do you think about speedbooster ? thanks !
That is a really tough one, as I use different lenses to get different results which add different vibes to photos and video. But if you would force me choose one lens only, I would most likely go with the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 ART. It is a sharp and versatile lens with most use when it comes to both, photo and video 👍🏻 The BEST lens for Canon EOS R7 for only $500?? | SIGMA 18-35mm f/1.8 ART ruclips.net/video/DVFQ-r9nHJ8/видео.html
@@timovehkaoja I been actually exposing this way with cinestyle on canon 90D, just got my R7 comes tomorrow morning woohoo! Glad to see consistancy, I will use canon 90D as B cam
I have an R5 and use the light meter all the time. No issues with it. The histogram disappearing is why I don't use it. In a run and gun situation I can't rely on exposing for one scene only. The best thing I have found to do is expose for the most harsh sunlight area then if you move around your highlights won't clip. Canon clips very easy on highlights opposed to Sony where you can recover it. Canon is better on the shadows then Sony. Just my experience with owning my R5 for over a year and owning a A7SIII for 2 years.
Yeah, light meter ofc is the best option, and ao are false colors, but this is the in camera ”hack”, with no other equipment needed. I noticed the difference in the highlight recovery between the R7 and FX30 last May as I was editing the footage from Norway for my 1K Polar Plunge video, but I don’t think Canon is that much better than Sony with the shadows, atleast not with the APS-C sensor. Lifting up the shadows introduces noise super easy.
@@timovehkaoja Yeah it is not that much better. I wouldn't go more than 20 on raising the shadows. I have noticed that Clog1 does much better in low light then Clog3.
Hi, hope you read this. I film my videos in my Canon R7 in Clog3 and when I do, no matter in what light conditions, daylight and night, the camera introduces me a terrible color noise… Do you have the same issue? Even shooting in his native ISO 800.. Maybe because the codec of clog3 in that camera that is H.265? I really don’t know. Hope you can answer, thanks! 🙏
I can only change the exposure compensation when I switch ISO to automatic. Manual ISO and exposure compensation don’t work. I get the message ‘not possible with this ISO setting’
@@timovehkaoja I am always in manual mode. Always. Sometimes when I record in Clog3, I try to correct the exposure by 1 stop. Unfortunately, this doesn’t work when I set the ISO manually. I set the ISO to 800. Then I try exposure compensation. It doesn’t work. Am I making a mistake?
@@edulitix the exposure compensation is meant for modes such as AV and TV, in which camera has control of one key element: ISO, shutter speed or aperture. Camera uses those values to compensate the exposure. If you are in full manual mode, camera can’t control any of those key elements. If you want to stop down in manual mode, you either have to use smaller aperture (f/stop) or lower ISO, or then you have to buy a variable neutral density filter for your lens :)
Maybe you can help out with this Canon r7 50mm/80mm APS C 1.6 When I shot video at night under street light In camera and in log it looks good but when I apply the color space transform everything goes Drak,,, I mean really really dark... Should I be trying to over exposure the shoot...???
@@doughgarcia6086 Take a look at your histogram :) if it is crushed all the way in the left, it is too dark. Those kind of situations are hard for any camera, but if you want some light in the shadows, you have to adjust more for the shadows. If you have even some data there, you can try lifting the shadows in post, but if there is no data, it doesn’t help.
Thanks hugely for this video. Just got my R7 and trying to get down with the video part. Stills I have no problem with but video is a whole new ball game for me. Question: have you ever used LUT's to do the correcting with the R7? I have the downloaded LUT from Canon and the free version of DaVinci Resolve (V16). Second question: did you use the lens ring to do the exposure compensation?
I sometimes use LUTs but most of the time I just make my own adjustments. I used an variable ND filter from NiSi. Check it here: amzn.to/3Tw2Zm3 👍🏻 Let me know if you need any help!
@@timovehkaoja Thanks for the offer. A variable ND is one filter in all my decades of photography I've never used. At $199 that's pricey and then some. For the 3 sizes I'd need that comes out to $537 for something I wouldn't be using enough to justify the cost. Could I get the same effect using the exposure compensation via the control ring?
@@musicman8942 Buy the one you need for your biggest filter thread and then buy step up rings to match it with your smaller lenses 👍🏻 I really can’t recommend any other VND, as that is simply the best with the colors, all other brands I have used have a disgusting green tint or crazy vignetting or cross vignetting.
@@musicman8942 The exposure compensation doesn’t work in manual mode, as your shutter speed is determined by the frame rate (24fps -> 1/50, 60fps -> 1/125), and your base ISO is 800 for CLOG3. You can adjust the amount if light with aperture, but with bright conditions you quickly end up shooting f/8 thus losing shallow depth of field.
It is made possible with an variable ND filter placed in front of the lens 👍🏻 That is what I am using on that video. When you are shooting video, the framerate and shutterspeed should always be matched with the 180’ rule (1/50 with 24fps, 1/125 with 60fps and 1/250 with 120fps) and the amount of light is controlled with aperture or an variable ND filter 👍🏻
The 180 degree rule is a bit overrated. I use 1/125th on 24fps all the time to nail exposure when there’s not a lot of movement and it looks fine. I’d rather do that than introduce a color cast and another piece of glass with an ND filter for a problem that doesn’t exist..
Bro this is so helpful for me ill get collapsed from noise in my video🥲thankd bro n one more request can u please upload normal video how to shoot without noise
Shooting without noise is near impossible if you want to use CLOG3. There is always some noise as the base ISO of CLOG3 is 800 and the R7 is a cropframe camera with high megapixel count. It doesn’t show up that badly if you can expose for the shadows and highlights don’t burn up, but there will still be some of it.
@@timovehkaojathanks a lot bro ❤️then.. I have canon r6 n I'll using ND filter only without VND it's possible to adjust? are compulsary should use VND bro?
@@bmxkid230 VND is a variable ND filter, which allows you to control the amount of light going to the sensor. Regular ND’s can’t be adjusted. I recommend using VND’s.
Yeah, according to light meter you have to overexpose around +1,7 to get correct. Shadows are way more important with CLOG3 than highlights, as the small sensor causes a lot of noise to shadows when you try lifting them in post.
For the first 2 years of my career (2020-2022) I didn't understand how to use the tools in my camera to expose correctly, and even though everyone said "expose correctly", I didn't know HOW. I knew the screen wasn't trustworthy, and finally figured out how to use the histogram and zebras, and now waveforms and false color on my monitor. If you use zebras, set Z1 to 55 and Z2 to 85 or 90, as the clipping point for Clog3 is around 94 IRE. I always set one of my thumb buttons on my R6 as toggle zebras on and off, so that I can check during a recording.
That is a solid way to do it 👍🏻 zebras are a solid tool if you learn how to use em.
Thank you. The detail of ignoring the lighting meter was the most important to me. That was driving me crazy. Thank you again.
Pleasure is all mine. The lighting meter is all over the place when shooting LOG, trust the histogram 👍🏻 merry christmas!
One would think that the light meter on Canon’s view assist would assist in nailing exposure. I had to also get over that thinking as well.
Great tip, Timo. Thanks for the vids!
Thank you, and thanks for taking the time to drop a comment! Pleasure is all mine :)
Good video. It felt like I was watching Peter back when he started. 😂
Thanks, happy you liked it! Remember back in the old days when Peter was a very highly relatable character, not pouring money into Leicas and stuff? That's me.
@@timovehkaoja 🤣🤣🤣
@@ElSoly First reason being the fact that I don’t have such money 😂
@@timovehkaoja we all start somewhere ✨
Yeah! Maybe eventually I’ll make enough money to buy a Leica Q3 or two 😄
Super helpful video, thank you! If you wanted to push the Color grade further, do you have any luts that you could recommend for the R7? There seem to be 10 trillion lut packs out there and as a relative newbie to video, not sure where to start. 🙏🏻
I usually don’t use luts, as they are usually just crushing the footage so badly and there are always things that just don’t fit my needs 😄 i usually do the color grades myself, but there really are not that many cases in which you would actually need to do huge amounts of grading. Just basic CLOG3 -> rec709 and then color correction for natural colors.
@@timovehkaoja thank you!
Don't know if you're still looking for this, but honestly the LUTs you can download from the camera body's support page on Canon's website are really good. Just use the right one for what Color space you're using (e.g. CLOG3 Cinema Gamut => Rec.709) or whatever is appropriate.
Timo, I understand that each person has their own way of doing things, but personally, I believe that a monitor would be very helpful, maybe not convenient for anyone looking for a running and gunning configuration.ñ but I've learned the hard way not to rely solely on the histogram, so perhaps utilizing other proper video exposure tools like waveforms or false colors would be beneficial. If you happen to use a similar configuration, I would love to hear your opinion on it. Perhaps you could do a pros and cons video about it.
Monitor is absolutely one of the most helpful tools you can buy for your filmmaking, and I use one myself constantly. But this is for the ones who are just starting out with making videos snd dipping their toes into world of LOG profiles 👍🏻
And yes, the video about my R7 filmmaking setup is on its way 👍🏻
Did you find this one useful? Let me know!
Could you please make a video on how to color grade clog3? No idea how
@@ignaciogerardi I’ll add that to the list 👍🏻 Color grading is basicly the finishing touch, color correction comes as the first thing.
More Great tips Timo! The Histo disappears on the R8 as well, honestly it’s annoying! 😂
I hope they’ll fix this. I am usually using an external monitor which has it’s own histogram, but it shouldnt be too hard to make it stay on screen.
Loved this video, in terms of content, thumbnail, pacing, vibe, practically everything. I think maybe the music coulda phased out while you were talking thats my only suggestion. Loved the doggy joke "Im out", lol.
Thank you! Means the world to me 👍🏻
Thank you brother for the sharing knowledge about r7 ! Just bought less than 1 month and still studying,i just purchased sigma 35mm which is ff lens,if you have this lens maybe you can share us your experience with ff lens on crop body camera? Thank you brother!
Pleasure is all mine! Do you have the EX or ART version of that Sigma 35mm? :)
@@timovehkaoja art version brother ☺️☺️☺️☺️
@@Itskhyshot Oh you are going to love it! I tested it a while back, and it was SOOO GOOD with the quality! Basicly it doesn’t matter if you are using FF lenses with a cropframe camera. Ofc the photos are cropped, but the quality stays the same, and with ART series lenses it is just magical 👍🏻
@@timovehkaoja thank you so much my brother BUT if u have a lens maybe u can make a video some kind of street photography shoot! Sure people like it!
@@Itskhyshot I am thinking about getting either 16mm or 24mm from Sigma next, it serves my needs better atm, but surely I will make a street photography video on that too!
Do you got photos on IG by the way?
Hello and thanks for this video ! i have a question ( i have the R7 as well ) : if you must choose one and ONLY ONE lense for the R7, which one u choose ? what do you think about speedbooster ? thanks !
That is a really tough one, as I use different lenses to get different results which add different vibes to photos and video.
But if you would force me choose one lens only, I would most likely go with the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 ART. It is a sharp and versatile lens with most use when it comes to both, photo and video 👍🏻
The BEST lens for Canon EOS R7 for only $500?? | SIGMA 18-35mm f/1.8 ART
ruclips.net/video/DVFQ-r9nHJ8/видео.html
I shoot on a canon DSLR that doesn't have c-log but I have cintestyle installed on it and I think this video just helped me expose that correctly
Happy that it helped! What camera are you shooting with?
@@timovehkaoja I been actually exposing this way with cinestyle on canon 90D, just got my R7 comes tomorrow morning woohoo! Glad to see consistancy, I will use canon 90D as B cam
@@CenturionsofFaithMichaelPoehls happy to hear that!
@@timovehkaoja Hey man! Been binge watching your stuff, love your perspective on things, subbed for sure and can't wait to see where time brings you!
@@CenturionsofFaithMichaelPoehls Wow, thank you! Currently working on a new video after a long break, so thank you for being here!
nice video bro..
what monitor are you using?
All the stuff I use are listed in the description 👍🏻
I have an R5 and use the light meter all the time. No issues with it. The histogram disappearing is why I don't use it. In a run and gun situation I can't rely on exposing for one scene only. The best thing I have found to do is expose for the most harsh sunlight area then if you move around your highlights won't clip. Canon clips very easy on highlights opposed to Sony where you can recover it. Canon is better on the shadows then Sony. Just my experience with owning my R5 for over a year and owning a A7SIII for 2 years.
Yeah, light meter ofc is the best option, and ao are false colors, but this is the in camera ”hack”, with no other equipment needed.
I noticed the difference in the highlight recovery between the R7 and FX30 last May as I was editing the footage from Norway for my 1K Polar Plunge video, but I don’t think Canon is that much better than Sony with the shadows, atleast not with the APS-C sensor. Lifting up the shadows introduces noise super easy.
@@timovehkaoja Yeah it is not that much better. I wouldn't go more than 20 on raising the shadows. I have noticed that Clog1 does much better in low light then Clog3.
@@heynow2880 That is true! I need to make a video about that, thanks for the idea!
@@timovehkaoja cool. Look forward to seeing it
Hi, hope you read this. I film my videos in my Canon R7 in Clog3 and when I do, no matter in what light conditions, daylight and night, the camera introduces me a terrible color noise… Do you have the same issue? Even shooting in his native ISO 800..
Maybe because the codec of clog3 in that camera that is H.265? I really don’t know.
Hope you can answer, thanks! 🙏
@@X.11.11 Clog3 always introduces some noise, as the base ISO is 800 and R7 is a crop frame camera. Do you have an example clip I could check out?
thank you so much. this is on point and the right timing.
Hope it helps! 👍🏻
I can only change the exposure compensation when I switch ISO to automatic. Manual ISO and exposure compensation don’t work. I get the message ‘not possible with this ISO setting’
Umm, you don’t use exposure compensation if you’re shooting video. You should always have the camera in full manual mode for best video results.
@@timovehkaoja I am always in manual mode. Always. Sometimes when I record in Clog3, I try to correct the exposure by 1 stop. Unfortunately, this doesn’t work when I set the ISO manually. I set the ISO to 800. Then I try exposure compensation. It doesn’t work. Am I making a mistake?
@@edulitix the exposure compensation is meant for modes such as AV and TV, in which camera has control of one key element: ISO, shutter speed or aperture. Camera uses those values to compensate the exposure. If you are in full manual mode, camera can’t control any of those key elements.
If you want to stop down in manual mode, you either have to use smaller aperture (f/stop) or lower ISO, or then you have to buy a variable neutral density filter for your lens :)
@@timovehkaoja thanks
@@edulitix Pleasure is all mine 👍🏻
Maybe you can help out with this
Canon r7 50mm/80mm APS C 1.6
When I shot video at night under street light
In camera and in log it looks good but when I apply the color space transform everything goes Drak,,, I mean really really dark...
Should I be trying to over exposure the shoot...???
@@doughgarcia6086 Take a look at your histogram :) if it is crushed all the way in the left, it is too dark.
Those kind of situations are hard for any camera, but if you want some light in the shadows, you have to adjust more for the shadows. If you have even some data there, you can try lifting the shadows in post, but if there is no data, it doesn’t help.
Thanks for the help. i do appreciate... yeah, I need to learn more on how to use the histogram lol
Hey, can you drop a link to some c log footage to download, would love to see it, the footage what isn't colorgraded
Hi! I can upload a video later in which you can compare them side by side 👍🏻
@@timovehkaoja Please do
and drop me a link
when you're viewing the histogram in Clog3, why does a grey vertical bar appear on the lefthand side of the histogram?
Image areas shown in gray in the histogram roughly indicate signal values that are not used. 👍🏻
Thanks @@timovehkaoja (I hope we can bring you back to the R7 - don't give up on us!!!!)
Thanks hugely for this video. Just got my R7 and trying to get down with the video part. Stills I have no problem with but video is a whole new ball game for me. Question: have you ever used LUT's to do the correcting with the R7? I have the downloaded LUT from Canon and the free version of DaVinci Resolve (V16). Second question: did you use the lens ring to do the exposure compensation?
I sometimes use LUTs but most of the time I just make my own adjustments. I used an variable ND filter from NiSi.
Check it here: amzn.to/3Tw2Zm3 👍🏻
Let me know if you need any help!
@@timovehkaoja Thanks for the offer. A variable ND is one filter in all my decades of photography I've never used. At $199 that's pricey and then some. For the 3 sizes I'd need that comes out to $537 for something I wouldn't be using enough to justify the cost. Could I get the same effect using the exposure compensation via the control ring?
@@musicman8942 Buy the one you need for your biggest filter thread and then buy step up rings to match it with your smaller lenses 👍🏻 I really can’t recommend any other VND, as that is simply the best with the colors, all other brands I have used have a disgusting green tint or crazy vignetting or cross vignetting.
@@musicman8942 The exposure compensation doesn’t work in manual mode, as your shutter speed is determined by the frame rate (24fps -> 1/50, 60fps -> 1/125), and your base ISO is 800 for CLOG3. You can adjust the amount if light with aperture, but with bright conditions you quickly end up shooting f/8 thus losing shallow depth of field.
@@timovehkaoja Thanks for the quick reply. Always pays to ask someone who knows.
I have Powerdirector 365 and it seems it won't edit clog3. Any recommendations for an editor that will?
@@Chadwilber DaVinci Resolve 👍🏻
2:47 Is the movement of the exposure possible on the R6?
It is made possible with an variable ND filter placed in front of the lens 👍🏻 That is what I am using on that video.
When you are shooting video, the framerate and shutterspeed should always be matched with the 180’ rule (1/50 with 24fps, 1/125 with 60fps and 1/250 with 120fps) and the amount of light is controlled with aperture or an variable ND filter 👍🏻
Why is your shutter at 1/125? What's your fps?
60fps.
The 180 degree rule is a bit overrated. I use 1/125th on 24fps all the time to nail exposure when there’s not a lot of movement and it looks fine. I’d rather do that than introduce a color cast and another piece of glass with an ND filter for a problem that doesn’t exist..
Hey Timo, what monitor do you use?
Hi! I’m currently making a video about my cinema setup, so check in shortly! 👍🏻
@@timovehkaoja I meant the computer monitor...but I also wouldn't mind a desk setup video 😌
@@TheNevoguy aaaa okay! My bad 😄 it is Dell something 😄 i’ve had it for years so really can’t remember the model.
Bro this is so helpful for me ill get collapsed from noise in my video🥲thankd bro n one more request can u please upload normal video how to shoot without noise
Shooting without noise is near impossible if you want to use CLOG3. There is always some noise as the base ISO of CLOG3 is 800 and the R7 is a cropframe camera with high megapixel count. It doesn’t show up that badly if you can expose for the shadows and highlights don’t burn up, but there will still be some of it.
@@timovehkaojathanks a lot bro ❤️then.. I have canon r6 n I'll using ND filter only without VND it's possible to adjust? are compulsary should use VND bro?
@@bmxkid230 VND is a variable ND filter, which allows you to control the amount of light going to the sensor. Regular ND’s can’t be adjusted. I recommend using VND’s.
Why do I use clogs, the results are not as sharp as using color profiles, sometimes they even look like cartoons?
Mostly because log profile gives you more control over colors in post and more dynamic range when shooting.
Thanks for this vid. Suscribed!
You’re welcome! 👍🏻
Thanks.
A histogram can solve it.
@@imzaazmi or false colors or which ever you prefer, but histogram is the easiest, fastest and in camera 👍🏻
Using the light meter is why I can’t get it to expose correctly
Yeah, according to light meter you have to overexpose around +1,7 to get correct. Shadows are way more important with CLOG3 than highlights, as the small sensor causes a lot of noise to shadows when you try lifting them in post.
the music really sucks bro, next vid can't stay
Such is life, I really enjoy my Transport Tycoon funk. 👍🏻