Should You Try World of Warcraft Dragonflight? New / Returning Player Review [2023]
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2023
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Really enjoying playing as a longtime casual player, but the community is still very toxic for new players. People continuously harass low damage players, even in normal dungeons.
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I never seen that, even on alts where I was doing shit. But I guess it’s because I’m not doing really HL content on them :/
Where are you being harassed, else than normal donjons? Big keys? Or in raids? Maybe it’s your server vs mine, I don’t know. But focus on yourself, we don’t care about what other people think ❤
Sure they do bro. They farmed for hours and hours every week to get some good gear and you want to go in the easy way? Bruh...
It's toxic in every game... Welcome to the internet lol
@@albertgeorgy6827 this is whey they mean when they call the community toxic
I've honestly been rather impressed with the things they have changed and fixed at this point already and are continuing to do so. That is what still has my logging on maybe not daily but a few times a week still for sure. I'm looking forward to the changes to come and what else they haven't divulged to us yet. Like you said I'm still on the fence, but more leaning to sticking around then just bailing.
if you're a raidlogger or mythic + fan then yes. if you arent then the outdoor content is gonna get boring really fast. dragonriding, while being a nice addition to the game, just isnt enough to keep me playing . cheers
Exactly. This is what happens when the only true end-game content is based around these two options. Personally, I've only got about 15% left in the tank for retail. Going to finish Heroic and then forget about retail until a new raid comes around. I really do despise how they've changed this game into Diablo with a different skin. (Normal, Heroic and Mythic vs Normal, Nightmare and Hell). It's boring as hell to keep running the same content over and over just 'treasure hunting', if that was the preferred route... we would just play Diablo instead.
Agreed. I find I am bored. Playing as well since I hate M+ and I’m stuck doing LFR for not being in an active guild
@@XyphonXero i totally agree with you friend. the outdoor content being ''optional'' made it completly meaningless to me. atleast put some work into it to not be so bloody dull. i have a really bad feeling about how this expac will end but hey i might be wrong, only time will tell. im off to classic wotlk, DF is over for me, cheers!
there is a decent amount of stuff to do outdoors though. I have so many old characters that leveling them all up and getting them ready to go gear wise is something that will keep me busy for some time. Now mind you I am not maxing out all these characters just getting them into dragonflight around level 65-ish and around 280 to 300 I level. From there I feel like it is super easy to just jump into whatever character I want, and do the type of contact that I want to be in dungeon raid etc. because from that point they have a good set up to SpringBoard to 70 and start out getting some decent items. I am kind of back-and-forth when I play I don’t just sit there at the computer and focus on my character to the exclusion of everything else. I have real life distractions so for me each character is like a good day worth of playing. I have 50 characters. on top of that there is a bunch of secret, finding type of stuff out there that will take some effort to accomplish. I still have yet to max out one of my crafters. Tame all the new battle pets, tame all the new, hunter pets, search, all the little nooks and crannies, so honestly, if you play at a semi casual rate like I do, you shouldn’t run out of stuff to do as long as you mix things up with other characters on your squad
What is it about the content in classic that you don't find in retail? In terms of non-raiding outdoor content, wotlk has what - rep grinds, professions, dailies, mounts and secret hunting? Truly, without any hate, I don't quite get what's missing from that list in retail?
What I probably like the most about Dragonflight is that I have a chance to “complete” my week. I’m not having the easiest time of my life in terms of real life chores but so far I’ve been able to do all world quests and events, haven’t missed a single one and it doesn’t take that much time. BTW I’m mostly a solo player. Just joined a guild but I don’t have that much time. Still I’m pretty confident that I’ll soon get keystone master, however I’m a healer so I’m probably having an easier time than a solo DPS player. Carry on, non-meta players, I’m happy to invite you and in my experience, if you’re a decent player your spec won’t hold you back (at least in my groups) even above mythic+10 so there is hope.
tried dragonflight, there are definitely improvements over the past few bad expansions, but at this point im just too old and busy to raid anymore. Finding groups for M+ is more stress than I want to deal with and honestly id rather play other things that involve less waiting around. I enjoyed being able to buy my gear with valor points, but now theres a cap and I cant get new gear with it, just upgrade the stuff I already have. The joy in getting that new gear is just gone, replaced with either a slow grind, or waiting a week for the vault. I can sit in dungeon finder for 20 minutes looking for a tank to do my key, or I can fire up a game of something else and play immediately. I mean, not knocking the game, it is what it is, but im 40. MMOs just arent for me anymore.
Very true, the game is simply too time consuming when it comes to group content and it's not something that can be fixed as long as they keep pandering to the highest end of the playerbase.
M+ takes forever because it's simply too hard, leading people to be extremely selective and picking only overqualified players to run with, and hosting your own key can easily be 30+ minutes of waiting and and an additional 30 minutes for the dungeon, which can all end in frustration and failure if someone fucks up.
Raiding is hilariously unrewarding at this point and I have 0 motivation to raid after half a raid clear. The gear is boring because BiS is unachievable for 99% of the playerbase due to mythic being both inaccessible and extremely difficult.
They are designing a game that can only be enjoyable in friend groups whereas most of the community are solo players.
i m 27 and feeling the same way
Improvement... it went from diarrhea to a complete clean turd. Gg blizzard😂😂
Just started yday and all I really want is competently balanced PvP, and PvP only. No bothersome systems, no obligatory PvE just to stay on top. Will see how that goes.
While Dragonflight is refreshing, it still doesn't have me as excited as I was back in Legion. A lot of the problems people had with the game didn't bother me (i.e artifact power and legendary acquisition), but mainly the class order hall quests for my class were incredible, and made my DK finally feel like he wasn't a hero.
Plus, wanting to see all of the order hall storylines gave you a reason to level up alts, as well as possibly collecting the artifact skins and taking a crack at the Mage Tower. There's really no reason to do the same in DF unless you just want more options to play for M+ or raiding. So if you aren't an M+ key pusher or a raider, there's literally no reason to level an alt in DF.
@@Maria_Erias You're not wrong about that. I personally don't play alts all that much to begin with, as I lack the patience and attention span for it. But yeah DF hasn't incentivized me to try the few alts I do have collecting dust
Being a dk in legion was dank
Legion is bad... Like all the expansions after MoP is terrible...
@@MrShadowswift I liked legion more than mop or cata honestly legion was very fun for me
just wanted say, even when im not playing wow im still watching your videos for the amazing content especially i mean you guys put so much work into these for us thank you very much
I think it should be comsidered one thing that could make people either leave or not come back, this video will definitely be one of those reasons. I never realised PUGs were in such a bad place and I was working my way towards them and now I don't know if it's worth investing time if I'm about to hit a frustration wall. I almost considered making a mage alt, but that's definitely out the window now.
Pugging isn't the worst thing in the world. People love to blow it WAY out of proportion. Yes, you will get the shitshows, and you will also get great people. It's just how the world works. Higher M+ dungeons is almost entirely about picking the specific top dps specs and making sure you have specific things, like a DK tank for Court of Stars since they can grip the sentry, or having Hero/Lust for every dungeon. It's why I don't do M+ because my spec that I have fun with just doesn't fall on the top DPS list, and I am fine with that.
PUGs are horrible, with a lucky exception now and again. Seems impossible to fix it, too.
If you are a god gamer than pugging is fine. If you are just a casual player that wants to do some M+ your fucked.
@@Paranitis not being in the top dps is definitely a barrier, but a way to overcome that barrier is to just make your own groups. You provide high keys, you will have no shortage of decent players trying to join. And when you have a high m+ score, you can be competitive enough to be able to join groups rather than having to make them
@@eodyn7 if everyone plays to their rough ability, 50% of players will be below average at best.
I just wish I felt immersed in the world and my character again. It's no longer an adventure, it's an arcade experience
Maybe playing a game for 10+ years will do that
In 2022?
I wish there was something like Suramar. I loved the Suramar questline
That might happen with the forbidden reach
suramar's way of doing a story/questline by letting the player just discover things on their own predated Elden Ring, which was hailed as brave, bold, and innovative in the world of modern gaming's hand-holding ui markers for every little resource.
If blizzard understood what risks were worth embarking on, and instead of laxing on AP grinds, i think we may be in a very different wow landscape. Imagine just exploring two suramar sized zones that was shrouded in mystery, with little bread crumbs for you to go by and explore. That would take all my time, because it feels like a challenge, a hunt, something worth pursuing rather than more gear that's doesn't fucking matter within mere months.
As long as there isn't a bunch of "collect 1000 mana". I'm in
It's one of the least badly written sure.
Bro you just saying that takes me back. I’m a “legion is the best expansion “ kind of guy and that the suramar questline was my shit. I loved it
For new players Warcraft is still an absolute disaster.
Until they sort it out they will never build up a big player base again
I can't wait to get to dragon flight, me and my brother are just doing the leveling route right now as I'm not a fan of the dragon race, but even though I'm not paying attention to the story for my leveling, it's still a lot of fun and I can go back on an alt and level it for the story
I'm enjoying the gameplay side of things, definitely. Farming for Dragonriding customizations gives me stuff to look forward to, and I can't wait to get to Valdrakken renown 26 for the dragon armor. My biggest gripe with the expansion, however, is the tone. I'm seriously missing what you and Matt lovingly refer to as "beers and heavy metal". Thankfully my DK can park in Acherus from time to time, but when I'm in the Isles, it almost feels like a PG-13 theme park. I can only hope it's just the "calm before the storm" especially with the Old Gods on the horizon, so fingers crossed for some heavier stuff down the line.
Tone is really odd this expansion. There's a fair few handful of quests that are really trying to hit home and be emotional. The various expedition quests are fun. And there are a few quests in the main story that are interesting (especially the ones dealing with Nozdormu or Kalecgos). But the vast majority of the rest of the quests just feel... bland. Lackluster. Far too many of them feel like fetch quests that are just there to pad out the play time and have no direct bearing on anything. The centaurs send you to go collect 20 bear asses, then next they send you out for 15 beaver tails, 30 bug butts, and to kill 57 elementals. And the pay off for it all is... some gold, a pat on the head, and a "Thanks, now we don't have to do that ourselves."
At almost no point does it ever feel distinctly "World of Warcraft"-y. It's Hello Kitty Adventure Island with dragons.
I came back to playing. I played shadowlands but didn't finish. The last one I liked was legion and prior. I started in 2006 and played addicted through Lich King..had to break from it. This is the 1st one I'm am really liking the interactions and stories, flying and way to gain faction rep. LFR raids and dipping toe into Mythics. I've told people I'm having Fun..that's not how I've felt in past releases. Imho I'm liking it.
The question I have is in dragonflight are you still gimped from going into previous raids from years ago back in BFA whereas before the level squish you could smack around the raid bosses and not worry about one hit mechanics?
question to the community here: do you still regulary use your hearthstone?
i personaly gotta say i only use it when i need to get to valdrakken super fast, otherwise i don't even think about it exisitng because dragonriding is so much fun. ^^
I quit in 2016, made an attempt every expansion to come back but even though I wanted to come back, doing nothing was more entertaining somehow. It was on the same level as doing chores you don't really want to do.
Came back to try DF and so far I've stayed but things like nerfing specs that suck and letting some be stupid OP make me question the competency of the team making the game. Overall though I don't see myself quitting again yet.
Hey does anyone know what kind of feral cat from appearance is being used at 5:31 onwards?
Wondering since an expansion is coming out soon if I shoukd grab this. Have an itch to come back. Getting board with my other MMOs and I can get this for $30. Ot ifi wait i yet it free. What you guys think?
There is still one chore that pisses me off. I have to unlock high levels of Renown to access the main campaign content. This is frustrating because I like doing the main campaign stories and now I have to grind rep to do that.
So, I haven't reached end game in DF, but it seems to me that there is no improvement in solo end game, especially Ilvl advancement
for solo players. There seems to be more soloable end game stuff to do, but it appears that even the sad ilvl increases from world quests have been reduced in opportunity by the bi-weekly thing. Until I can be sure that I don't reach ilvl max in a week or two, only to be left with counter grinding, it's not quite worth spending time in DF.
And I haven't heard any dev mention the world "solo" in quite some time, and you guys didn't even mention it here.
this! i quitted cause there is not much to do.
@@sirbonobo3907there isn’t much YOU want to do. There is a lot to do.
@@keithb6344 there is indeed, all dull. but hey atleast everything now is engaging, like the cool idiotic dragon that cant hover, or the new lovely crafting system. oh and forget about getting some decent gear if you dont do raids or mythic + or hey even LFR cuz here's group loot and its all your fault if you dont get shit for the nth time. this expansion is a big pile of nothing carefully wrapped with a little ugly dragon that can go zoom zoom. have fun picking flowers and mining shit for your convoluted professions
@@keithb6344 Obviously, but I pay for what i like doing, as we all do.
With them making world quests update twice a week instead of a couple of times a day, there's actually about 10% as many opportunities to upgrade your gear as a solo player. People who keeping waxing on and on about how "world quests updating twice a week feels so liberating because I don't have to do everything!" are a bunch of morons. That's like saying your city kicking out 80% of the restaurants makes it so much better when picking a place to eat out. If people can't understand that they don't have to do literally *every world quest in the game, all the time,* that is a persona issue that they should resolve, not a problem with the game.
Yes, Belu we need systems for people who needs practice (instance, dps/tank/heal),
and we need alternative game modes to existing ones (like m+), and being a starter or a re-starter is a thing,
the game should be about having fun and having fun learning harder content,
but sadly being in a guild just doesn't solve everything, we need a hub for the less serious.
Ps. The game actually feel very fun tho.
There are plenty of casual guilds in WoW for people that would like to learn harder content, but people don't want to join them because they don't want to interact with others - they just solo queue in silence and collect loot then complain when they reach their personal skill ceiling or someone calls them out for doing content they haven't taken the time to read up on, because they mostly want reward without effort from a game that requires them to work with others.
@Silent002 ya not just the game, it's the players too
Maybe a level of the Proving Grounds for dungeon and raid mechanics?
There are quite some learning groups on M+ group finder but I do agree - PVE end game content should be more inviting to new players/players who want to try it out. Problem being everyone in M+ on higher end so IO focused and there is literally no upside to carry low end content other than carrying your friends (maybe).
Blizzard should consider implementing something like ff14 with novice & mentors where mentors can get cosmetics/mount rewards and help bringing new players to experience good content more rather than making them struggle
@@Silent002 Strongly disagree with this. It's not that players don't want to put forth effort to learn. It's that the amount of effort isn't matched by the reward.
You're sitting here blaming the players who actually want to try to get better, when it's the solid wall of "XXXX rating or GTFO" and paid carry players in M+ that create an artificial barrier to entry.
Can it be overcome? Sure. By a colossal effort of will and persistence. Which brings me back to my original point of the payoff not being worth the reward.
Hi I'm new to wow, I just completed the free trial, and I am having a hard time deciding what expansion to buy or sub to, Dragonflight or Wrath Of The Lich King? Pls someone help me
I was really enjoying this expansion and I like raids and was excited to do the raid after hitting 375. I joined a Pug group and was harassed for having low damage. I was so embarrassed. They kept calling me out that I was the worst in the group until I eventually just quit. I lost my excitement to do the raid and I don't have friends to do it with. It was so crushing, when I did Nathria I didn't really have to worry too much but now I'm so self conscious about it idk if I wanna do it again.
Interesting. I feel like the raid is much more forgiving this time. The mechanics are easy and dps requirements are low. Sorry to hear you don't have any buddies to bring you along. We carry some dead bodies through normal and a few heroic just because they're friends
Same thing happened to me. I just haven’t raised since then. I’ve been slowly working up the mythic plus stuff and enjoying it still
They are just people that you will never meet again, take their "notices" as a thing to get better at and not get touched by it
Do your best but if it doesn't go well just shrug it of with "It is what it is" and move on.
@@Maschenbro Raids are forgiving the problem is people are not. That has been a core rot that has been growing in WoW for a long time now. Exactly why Classic was not Classic because people have changed.
Sounds like a skill issue to me.
I had fun for a month, but I got the game for free from a friend. Would I say it's worth the box price PLUS a monthly sub? Big no from me. $40 including the month sub for free would be about what I'd lean it being worth at most as subjective as that might be. As it currently stands the box price and sub are just way to high for it and while there is some fun to be had there is also still many tedious elements that get in the way, and just generally I find other elements to just be lacking.
As much as I do enjoy classes feeling less dumbed down and the talent trees being over-all good... I have to admit gameplay wise it just doesn't do it for me much in raiding and dungeons like it use to. I think FF14 has really spoiled me so much where it's managed to make wow encounters just feel very boring and unengaging so the part in wow I use to love with raiding feels more of a chore then a fun experience particularly when it mandates good RNG and having to do M+ which I just hate the design of them and find them annoying rather then fun.
Unless you like professions. We just traded in our character power chores for profession chores. I guess it was our turn. Traditional grinding out of reps for recipes was not enough.
I do like the profession system mind you. I just wish there was another way.
Thanks for the video
The funny thing is your video on how WoW is allowing pay-for-play (selling runs, etc.) was the final straw that convinced me NOT to play anymore. I enjoy the lore though.
There is literally nothing to do 90% of the week. With limited world quests, time gated reps, and valor cap they are really limiting productive play. It's rather annoying to not be able to play when you want to play
I don't know what game you're playing, but the Valor cap doesn't stop me from queueing for a M+ whenever I want to play.
I love how they've managed to convince people that limited world quests was a great idea. I've seen so many people say BS like "Oh, it's so great because I don't feel like I'm missing out!" Dude, if you're feeling FOMO because you're not doing every single World Quest, you have a problem. And for everyone else who doesn't have a mental problem, it means that Blizzard just cut do-able content by like 80% and expect a pat on the back for it.
@@Maria_Erias I personally loved when world quests reset every 4-6 hours during Legion. I could grind world quests all day and never run out of stuff to do. Now I just gather herbs for hours while watching RUclips 😐
@@Silent002 what's the point of M+ after valor cap when the gear dropping from a +12 is lower than what I'm wearing? I don't really care about pushing the bleeding edge of keys so valor is my only way to upgrade gear at this point
@@JessiBear +12 isn't the end of M+. If you have the gear at that level, play higher keystones. If you've hit your own personal skill barrier and don't want to deal with the mechanics at higher levels, then that's a skill issue to be honest, not an issue with the game itself. It sounds like you need to play another game alongside WoW instead of expecting devs to give you infinite solo content to grind.
FF gave me so much casual content.. WoW is still just Raid,M+ and PvP. So hard no for me
Yeah FFs grind for rep and do old dungeons and raids for glam is very different than WoWs grind for rep and do old dungeons and raids for Mog. 😂
@@keithb6344 Gold Saucer, Maps, Housing, way deeper crafting and a lot more. Look you can stop with the tribalism. I played wow since 2006. There is no hate for the game its just not mine anymore. I struggle with the game since Legion.
@@fakemanky6838 you won the housing lottery? that excellent and great feature?
@@Nightstalker314 i have my house since one year before the lottery. besides that there are 1500 new plots for privat people since sunday and 300 new plots for only guilds --- so there are 1800 new plots for each server
@@fakemanky6838 How many players does each server have? If something is a feature for a product I pay for I want access to it, no matter what.
question if anyone can answer me, do you need to buy shadowlands to play dragonflight? or can just buy dragonflight and sub from then on?
I came back for dragonflight, I did the leveling and it was fun I enjoyed the game alot but what really ruined the game for me was the community. Every time I would do a mythic plus someone would always talk shit about my damage and then leave after waiting 20 minutes of everyone's time, or I would do a mythic key of my own and form a group, mid into the dungeon someone would just troll and say good luck and leave. It's so annoying. I tried raiding but raiding wasn't really my thing. As a solo player, getting into a group was also annoying, people care way too much about min maxing the game that casuals like myself that don't take the game too serious but wanna do a few dungeons here and there is sometimes impossible to do because no1 invites you or accepts you.
If you don't care for min-maxing, there's a mode for that: just join a Heroic dungeon group using Dungeon Finder. There's always people looking to get geared up through that system to do higher-end content, and you don't have to worry about doing sweaty DPS since the runs are quite quick anyway.
There's a group called 'WoW Made Easy' that is dedicated to providing positive experiences in dungeon and raid groups. They are at over 7000 members as I write this and have an active discord. Actually it'd be a cool idea for Bellular to maybe cover them. But consider checking them out. I think they are saving the game for a lot of players.
@Silent002 see that's the dumb thing, isn't this game based around progressing? What's the point of doing that if you know there is a higher difficulty to achieve in terms of gaining gear? I like gaining gear and also knowing that my character is getting stronger, what I don't like is that I jave to force myself to stay in a position where I can't go any higher because people are assholes. My problem isn't that I can't do these raids or dungeons I can learn the mechanics quickly it's just that people bitch that my damage is low because I can't get gear because people refuse to accept me due to my ilevel and i either get kicked or someone in the dungon leaves meaning the key dies and we cant do the dungeon anymore, and I can't help that if people don't do these dungeons with me, I feel stuck when I play wow I feel likefor me there is no point in playing if I can't progress anymore over mythic into mythic +
@@caitwn8548 I might have alook into it, I've already quit and cancled my sub tho is that something I need to redo if I want to check it?
@@pulseofme6884 In that case, I'd recommend not trying to rush higher keys before you have the gear to do decent damage and to get gear from other places like the renown reps and Obsidian Citadel / Cobalt Assembly grinds during dungeon downtime, as well as the four elemental storms each week. If gear really is the only way you're behind, that should sort it. Usually, however, I only see people being called out on bad DPS because they're not playing correctly and not producing the damage expected from their gear level. In that case, I'd recommend spending some playtime reading about the spec you want to play, and also downloading Hekili to help with rotation management. Hekili is a crutch, but it's very handy to allow someone to focus on mechanics instead of rotation.
Everyone only has a given number of hours to play in a week, casual players don't deserve a carry from others because they choose to spend fewer hours playing or reading. Everyone wants good gear, but there's no shortcut to that other than to slowly grind out keys and helping others to gear.
Hopefully you find some good groups in the future, though.
one thing id like is to be able to buy bags of anima with gold like if you wanna go back to shadowlands for cosmetics you might have missed
I LOVE THE NEW TALENT TREES AND HOW YOU TWEEK YOUR TALENTS ON THE GO
Gotta love the targeted character/raid boost adds right before the video.
Crazy how this game is even active after 20 years
Crazier about Runescape and OSRS.
Or ff11
18 at most its more like 17 here in the eu
heck the original EverQuest is still active and that was created back in 1999. so EverQuest is 23 years old and will be 24 this year. Wow it’s only 19 years old not quite 20 yet and that is only this year in around November 2023 but yes it is an older game and doing pretty well. I feel like games are like playgrounds if you just create a fun playground with a Evergreen Contaent that people come back this isn’t so hard of a concept. but we are so used to the choice of variety these days that we are spoiled
@@leonardceres9061 Tibia is still active too I'm prettu sure. Nothing will be crazier than Tibia and Everquest still going lol.
They need to change how things are loaded in.
My FPS drops to 5-10 in lager cities. I have unsibbed until this is fixed, cause I can be in a main city in FF14 with no problems.
Mine does not go that low, but I agree FPS drops drastically in Valdrakken
Been playing on and off since TBC, WOTLK and Legion are my favorite expansions, BFA was meh and I barely played SL. However after seeing the DF announcement last year i pre ordered collectors edition right away cause it looked like such a breath of fresh air, and lemme say they have lived up to that promise. DF is the most fun I’ve had in WoW since Legion days and we’ve only just begun!
I've wanted to return for a while, just haven't been in a hurry after BfA and Shadowlands. The tone of Dragonflight also seems a bit too Disney to really get me HYPED.
It's Hello Kitty Adventure Island, but with dragons.
People said the same thing with MOP and it's one of the best expansions imo
@@samindj MOP was really good. Enjoyed it better than Cata.
New player here, I think dragon flight is probably gonna be amazing, I did the intro to unlock chromie time for my shaman, didn't read anything cause I want it to be fresh for when I get there, but going by that opening introduction and all the shit that was happening around me, I feel like it's gonna be really good
@@samindj MOP was incredibly repetitive
tbh it´s nice but it´s the same old same old...i can´t motivate myself to do anything meaningful
The output might be faster but the quality is just not there. The lag in areas where alot ofnpeople are going to be and the mining nodes in the middle of the air. Just a couple of things
What game is that on 12:40?
I'm not a high performing player. Should I try to play in heroics and raids?
I came back but am pretty disappointed to see they did next to nothing when it comes to improving the PVP experience. No new BGs, no new ways to rank up, no incentives, etc.
I would argue that a new way to rank up is the addition of solo shuffle
To be fair blizzard has needed a PVP revamp for years now. That's not just a leftover remnant of Chess BFA and shadowlands.
@@AeonStaite How is that fair? They didn't fix a problem that they've had for years? That just makes it worse.
So I haven't played consistently in quite some years...many reasons, but mostly available time now that I'm older and just feeling disappointed by the gameplay. I briefly attempted Shadowlands when it came out and was not a fan. I decided to give this a shot because you get a month free gameplay. Seeing some positive videos on youtube also peaked my curiosity. Have to say I am actually having fun with the game again. I don't feel pressured to any one particular thing, or feel like I am missing out by not logging in all the time. I also love that I can go back and play different story lines to catch up on expansions I may have missed.
this comment is very helpful
dont come until patch 10.3 in one year cause like always the last patch of an expansion is the better version of the game.
you will be able to use your mounts without dragon riding top gun fast speed
(it made me sick and i played only at 60fps^^)
Sure, if all you like to do is outdoor content.
Yeah, this is a waste of time.
As always, you're paying to beta test until X.3
I'm loving the leveling experience in WoW right now. The expansion is good, but I'm already bored ... BUT! running around the old world doing quests and killing rares is definitely doing it for me for now.
I feel the same way, after playing during the free trial weekend and getting the game on a big discount with the use of some in game gold I quite enjoyed lvling my Evoker to 70 but now I'm being slapped by rep / renown gating on the campaign which is pretty annoying. I then had a look at professions but since I started later on I can't really get into crafting without it being a gold sink. All in all, I'm just hitting roadblocks again, just like in other expansions.
Every expansion gets boring after a while, thats why we have alts, and other games to play while we wait for patch
Well, how long are you playing a day?
Blizzard is sad to have failed while they did not listen to their player base. As many players got fed up with the borrowed power systems, endless grinds, very all unfriendliness, and so forth. I remember when Ultima Online is the most popular MMO, then Everquest became the new King of MMOs. Everquest eventually lost its throne to WoW. Like WoW, Everquest had some terrible stuff, such a punishing death for characters, non instant dungeons and raids, and so forth. Everquest is still around releasing new expansions, and most of the issues that players left Everquest. Still Everquest is hardly ever mentioned anymore for top MMO lists. Everquest has never gained back their players, and sad but true, WoW does not look like it will return back. FF14 has taken WoW place is the top MMO. As said in Wrath, "No king rules forever". FF14 does not have the terrible design decisions like WoW had with BfA and Shadowlands.
Just before the launch of BFA, it clearly is the community that drove me away from Wow, and I never returned since then. There seems to be some complelling implementations now as I wach some action on YT.
At times I wonder if I should give it a go today. I'm not a guild guy, I see I can expect a lot of the same issues I had back then.
At the end of the day, I will have to stop asking myself questions, and go in or not. That video helped me a bit in that regard.
Dead specs is what killed Shadow Lands for me. Sad to hear that my two favorite specs (ret and frost mage) are still struggling after all this time. Very hard to want to come back when I was a huge raider and M+ guy in the past and can't play the classes and specs I want to play.
The reason why I didn't come back was the price. 50 Euro + 13 Euro subscription is just way too expensive for me :/
I stopped playing for a bunch of reasons in shadowlands and even if they fixed those i would not come back because the love i had for the game is gone.
So my answer is a resounding NO i will never ho back to it.
Then why are you still watching content and engaging with it?
@@Tutserman420 so because i don't play the game anymore, it means i can't check out any warcraft videos ect?
@@Tutserman420 are you really that illiterate that people can still like the lore and follow the game but not play it? Stay in school.
@@Kaminsod1 didn't say that lol just asking you a question. The reason why i asked is because you said ur love for the game is gone. Didn't mean any offense. I obviously can't control you nor would I want to. Just trying to make understand the negativity.
@@highimpact5563 not even gonna engage with ur negativity lol. Go back to Twitter with that crap.
the edit for the reasons was awesome
0:35 Editor John left out: "All of the above."
Their timing was actually pretty good between classic and retail. Just as Ulduar is about to be released we have hit a point in retail where we've already cleared all of normal and nearly have heroic completed. There really isn't anything else keeping me in retail at this point. WQs are no longer relevant and many of us don't care about grinding reputation for cosmetic nonsense so all that's left is to finish the H version of the raid and move back to classic.
So you prefer doing things you've already done 13+ years ago to new content. I'll never understand classic fiends man
@@trippy5519 Not exactly, I'd prefer for Classic to take on a new lore that deviates from Retail but snowball's chance and all that. People who like classic over retail typically aren't loving it because it is 13+ year old content. They love it because the way the game plays is quite a bit different than what retail is. I'd love a graphic overhaul myself, no shame in admitting that. One is just addictive causing hours to fade into the distance whereas the other has you re-running the same raid over and over as the main feature considering the two day journey taken to max out your level, it's the only thing that you actually have left. It would have been cooler if Naxx was quite a bit harder but you can spend months just working on other characters. In a way it kind of justifies having to pay 15 dollars a month. Retail has me paying the same for only playing 8 days a month and I already have one of every class.
@@XyphonXero Fair. Thanks for the insight
I just started dragonflight this week and leveling feels so good, I love the amount of cutscenes too.
I have a weird relationship to wow. I never been super invested in the game but I keep coming back. I have so many characters at Lv60 but no real endgame progression.
I tend to just re-roll a new character on new classes, doing side activity for a couple weeks then quit, just to come back 4-6m to a year later.
Maybe it's my specific server or something but as a frost mage I am pretty easy getting into groups, I'd say 50-50 no real complaints I get denied into groups as much as any other dps lol
I used to not understand why some of the people I knew quit permanently due to Pandaren. I get it now since I'm gone for good due to the Drakthyr. It doesn't matter what Blizz does to the rest of the game.
"Happy Panda Funtime Land" drove me away, but Legion brought me back. Legion was what I remembered good, old school Warcraft to be. BfA pushed me away, and Shadowlands cut me loose.
I left mid shadowlands, it became redundant and stagnant. Legion was my favorite expac after bc. I just can't get into learning new mechanics and regions, and working for things I've already earned earlier. Plus, I only played to farm old content, and with the level squish soloing old content became unbearable. Just not feeling it anymore.
From the title I was hoping for a part of the video addressing the NEW player experience in trying WoW, since it was "finally try WoW".
Great video, very help for this old man to make a choice. thanks
In short, yes. Long answer, also yes, just look at the huge amount of positivity around the xpac.
Starting to get that itch again.
I will never come back to WOW
I'm going to once their sale comes this summer.
Thus far, I am still in the starting zone of Dragonflight (not enough time at the moment) but I love the physical landscape. Lol, I loved the quest where you just talk to the dwarf/dragon and gaze at the landscape while the dwarf is talking about the past. The only thing missing was some mead.
Monetization - Should be top reason. If there were servers outside of classic that prohibited the WoW Token and Gold Buying I would return to the game. The token has profit motivated Blizzard to put in unreasonable gold grinds to the game to pressure players to buy the WoW token. The Rustbolt Resistor on Mechagon Island killed my love for the game; to work my way to exalted and then be expected to drop $50 for rep grind reward is dumb.
How is that an unreasonable gold grind? You just farm ores and herbs and sell them on the auction house. Even with botting and multiboxers during BfA it was really possible. I've even farmed out the Brutosaur that way in BfA.
@@migueltucabron The issue is that you already did a grind by way of the reputation, and now Blizzard is saying you need to do another, but with the option of paying $50. If this was one time, I could stomach it, but they do it repeatedly. Another example is the three frog mounts, who again are from getting a reputation to exalted. Unlike past reputation grinds, the mounts cost 1,000,000 Gil or about $100, depending on token prices. WoW's aggressive monetization is keeping people like myself away. Obviously, that is not an issue for the millions of current players, but for me, it is, and I doubt I'm alone in that opinion. I suspect a sizable number of the Classic players are like me to some degree, but I am unlike them; I don't want to play Classic but current WoW without the token.
Classic would see a revolt and exodus of players if Blizzard introduced the WoW token to Classic.
Note: I should add my issue ultimately is that Blizzard is using things like the Rustbolt Resistor to create 'pain points' in the game where players will be pressured by the daunting task of farming up 500,000 GIL to get the mount. Putting it at the end of a rep grind means the players will approach it as if they already have a sunk cost in the rep grind with the mount. I do not appreciate things like 'pain points' found in free-2-play mobile games in an MMO with a subscription and paid expansions.
@@robertemumford I really don't see the issiue here. Mounts and their prices are fine if you take the time to learn about gold making. Oh i need to pay roughly 500k gold every patch? Okay, so what? That's easily doable. 500k gold isn't a daunting task. That's two month of doing a little farming here and there.
I am not coming back due to there being a subscription fee. Playing GW2 instead.
As a mostly solo player - once the weekly quests/LRF reset, I'm bored within 24 hours.
it's a step in the right direction but not enough for me
not new to mmos but have never touched wow, i've heard nothing but good things about dragonflight though. is the entirety of the game too daunting for a new player or should i just fuck around and find out?
My biggest complaint is that it all just felt like busy work with little to no enjoyment for me. I farmed out the mounts and cosmetics I really wanted then was left with no real goal. It's one of the reasons I like my hunter. I can go and track/capture a new pet and it felt like an adventure, especially for rares.
Gee, I thought this was going to be an analysis of those declining numbers in the lead-in.
People who play like Bellular are having fun. People who didn't buy made their decision long ago and probably won't be back anytime soon. People who don't play like Bellular who either didn't buy because they saw this coming or who are leaving now are no longer Blizzard's target audience. Numbers will continue to fall until Blizzard becomes willing to accept that the way to retain as many players as possible requires more than catering to only one demographic.
I didn't buy Dragonflight. I still subscribe to wow. Any reason people quit over is a perfectly valid reason for quitting. Blizzard worked hard to burn their bridges. It's time for them to stop trying to force people into a mold. You can't change human nature.
Does all this hold up a year later? I'm thinking of jumping in and maybe buying the next expansion ahead of time. But yes or no?
Edit: I actually left in Mists of Pandaria and came back around for Shadowlands. Then left again because... well Shadowlands made everything into a chore and made the chores easy as all get out to fail and fumble because things that should happen automatically need an extra confirmation for no damn reason. Looking at you Ember Court.
I went back to shadowlands. The latest thing is for players to hanging around bosses to carry out raids. Why... The Group finder only shows Dragon flight.
I wanted to get past level 60 that's the only reason I thought to sign up to dragon flight. Where, My frost mage is dying so much that I just want to leave the small dragon isles for good. More the physics of motion are so far away from reality that your mind is going overtime as the unbelievable happens. [such as going though solid objects.] I'm not a ghost, and cannot pass though solid objects. More, Objects in the dragon flight patch are able to occupy the same space and time as other objects... Arrgh ! Blizzard fix this please. I can fly elsewhere in WOW why not make it possible to fly on a griffin or which ever mount I want? Flying Dragons. Dragons are underpowered for flight. I keep thinking... 'This dragon needs a jet engine strapped-on to it'. Arrgh... One unwritten rule of WOW is don't die as you will be left walking for ages,,,,,,,,,,,-,,,,,,,,,. all over the place. Again, Again and Again. Boring!
The one reason you didn't really discuss is those of us who went to another game and just fell in love with it and can't really be bothered to go back to our "old" game. I love FFXIV and the past two years have been the best gaming experience I've had in a decade since WoW started to lose its sheen. I made new friends in a new game, and my old friends didn't go back to WoW, they quit for good. Shadowlands is what showed me the door, but Dragonflight just doesn't seem to have anything that makes me want to leave my new home. I don't like the new character designs, the graphics look dated, and I don't even remember how to play my class at this point. The one instance I did was full of a bunch of jerks. The transmog system is neat, but all the old outfits are pixelated and the new outfits are really bland. I tried to restart a new character and the leveling experience is just hideous now. I'd be on board with trying a NEW WoW, a WoW 2.0, with a whole new engine! However, for now, there's a lot of truth in the old adage that you can never go home again.
Blizzard basically gave us the finger with BFA and Shadowlands.... and I took that personally.
Big changes need to come before I come back. I feel like if people come back too soon they will think they don't need to continue to make improvements and I don't want that to happen.
wish i had friends to play wow with, kinda hard to meet ppl that play it as well ( at least where i live )
Based on this video and the Labor Day sale (50% off) I purchased the game to give it a try again. Thanks for the clear, transparent, and objective review.
This game is great if you are not pugging. Join a guild and make sure to read the wowhead on your character class guide! This expansion feels like a raidloggers dream. I’m not overwhelmed and I can balance doing all the activities and having a life
Absolutely golden comment. if you have your community already, it is good, you are good too. But if you are all alone and trying to find guild, df literally sucks. Because u need to fucking pug all day at m+ and its still sucks. You need to show yourself and show your abilities but at the start nobody fucking care about you if you don't have like 2.5k rio and decent items. So you have to pug all day long and gl with that.
You know why legion was good? Because it was rewarding you if you play all day along even with pugging. Now it's just nothing. No solo grind, no titanforge, nothing. gitgud? how am i supposed to gitgud? In legion even with fucking pugs you were getting titanforge.
DF good for your raidlog unless you are not a lonely player.
What I like the most about Dragonflight is how you can take Dragon Riding anywhere where flying is allowed; you move so much faster and don't want to go back to conventional flight unless you want to hover mid-air.
I just recently came to World of Warcraft and have played a few hours and enjoyed the early experience but am already about to quit. I've only had one interaction with another player in hours of play. To me, there are plenty of players, but they aren't engaging unless you are already a part of their group or guild. The early stages have been very lonely. I've tried other servers to see if it was just the server I was on but they all seemed the same, even the full-population servers.
You could try an RP server
Been having plenty of fun as a casual player. Like really casual. 1-4 hours per week. LFR and slowly doing side quests and professions. Don’t gotta mess with dumb systems
I don't know man. I've returned to world of Warcraft so many times in my life and every time I return I think it's going to capture that magic that I grew up with. But fact is just a old formula doesn't work anymore. They really just need a go back to the drawing board and recreate their vision I still love the world that they created but I really miss the old feel the exploration the mystery and the creepy aspects of the world that they used to do I sure do hope they pull something out of their hat
Plus every class feels the same at this point due to balance
I'm honestly more interested in experiences people share in the comments. With this expansion I just don't trust any of the current content creators; it seems pretty clear from the videos I am seeing done by everyone from Bellular to Preach that Blizz has embarked on a big PR campaign and put a lot of emphasis on recruiting content creators to spread their message. I'm glad they are having fun - I'm not such a grinch that I'd want to deny that to anyone. But this flood of "DF is great" videos are all starting to sound alike. I prefer to hear from regular players who honestly report both good and bad.
Eh, I really like the game. To put it simply, it feels like it has so much more soul than Shadowlands. It really is good... for now. Time will tell if they fuck it up.
@@Syngrafer That's good to hear. Seriously I like hearing from just regular players. There has been an interesting mix of opinions but on the whole there has been more positivity than I have heard for awhile.
HELL NO!!!. I'm def gonna wait until 11.3 to make sure "changes" are permanent and not panic mode and if they have the balls to retcon BFAIL and Systemlands out of the lore, stop timegating the story (now with renown) make rep accounwide as well as making souldbound gear account wide (make it really alt friendly) and not reapeating crap on alts!!!
Ps: Bell is eating the WHOLE salad after all then. Can't blame him though, the guy has staff hired and runs a bussiness so bills gotta be paid. Shill / PR money is as good as any money 🤷♂
Same. I think its important to remember that these content creators depend on wow being thought of as a good game or at least have people interested in it to make a living and im really sceptical of what they have to say about the game right now because of it. I've played the expansion since launch and i think its fine, i got no huge complaints other than the inspiration catalyst coming out to late, but i dont really see how its so amazing. Dragonriding is something cool to do to pass the time while waiting for my group of decide what key to do next i guess.
As a newer player who tried to get into retail with bfa and sl (both times failed) this time i'm actually enjoying myself. I still think classic is the best version od this game mostly bc of community, but I can find helpful ppl in df too, only they are like rare spawns. I guess it's all part of mmorpg experience
omg the editor of this channel is fkng genius
Lvling 60-70 feels fine, lvling 1-30 feels good, lvling 30-60, without or even with few heirloom, is an absolute nightmare.
It doesn't help that so many of the quests in Chromie Time are broken. Or that the dungeons are often very overtuned, undertuned, or completely untuned. Had several mobs in BfA dungeons that were one-shotting everyone, doing 70k+ damage on auto attacks.
@@Maria_Erias yeah I'm surprised the dungeon tuning hasnt been addressed yet. I've had to leave a certain dungeon multiple times in lfd because one of the bosses is impossible to kill
singling out bellpriest at 6:11 lol
Still no high elves for alliance though
I think Dragonflight is fun....but. Im still not enjoying any of the new dungeons, I dont really know what im "supposed" to do, like what even do the hunts do? How do you even unlock the lvl 400 rep you need to actually buy rewards from factions? Dragon riding was cool for like an hour and then i just wanted my fucking mounts back AGAIN. I dont like running around with generic dragons everyone else is using. I have 0 motivation to do anything other than stand in the capital and que for PvP, which im enjoying quite a bit. But my actual love for this game died like 10 years ago.
I havnt played since WoD thinking of returning for dragonflight
alright im sold. will have to find a guild tho.
I don't care wow anymore after shadowlands this game is another game.
I am considering buying Dragonflight in spring, but not having the choice to buy 30 days of game time anymore is a point of consideration against buying it.
The lack of Shaman activity in the story is another low point for me. We are dealing with Elementals and Elemental energies, so Shamans are far better suited than the Arcane annoyance that is Khadgar.
Also, still miss my ranged Survival Hunter. Marksmanship just isn't the same.
Welcome to me, a DK lover and huge Mograine stan, gearing up for Shadowlands to be an amazing Death Knight-centric expansion, only to have Mograine be nearly as useless as Baine, and death knights to get completely forgotten once the intro quests were over.
@@Maria_Erias
I didn't like that treatment of Baine and Death Knights either.
In the end, it was the right decision that I decided not to buy Shadowlands. And the very few important things got delivered by Team Bellular.
@@CazaliEiben That's how I've "enjoyed" WoW the most for the last 3-4 years: being a serious lore and story nerd, I could rely on Bellular, PlatinumWoW, and Nobbel to keep me up to date on the things I cared about, since the game itself has been such a let down. I don't raid anymore because I enjoy raiding with friends and all my friends have quit WoW for other games (me, included). I don't care for M+. And there's really nothing that different to PvP to interest me that hasn't already been there for years, if not decades. There's no daily reputation quests, really, like the Argent Tournament. And there's not even really dailies anymore, or even World Quests, since World Quests are demi-weekly instead of updated two or three times a day. If you're a casual solo player or just play with a couple of friends, you can exhaust an entire week's worth of content in 2-3 hours. That's including world quests, the weekly rep quest, and the weekly dungeon quests, too.
I like the raids a lot. All the mechanics are pretty readable and if you've played wow for a long enough time you almost don't even need to read or watch a guide. You still should though so you don't get flamed.
I've been enjoying this expansion very very much, last time I played wow was in visions of nzoth but this was something completely different and I gave wow a try and I'm glad I did because this isn't some existence ending stuff that it has been lately instead this is an adventure and just by flying around with my drake I can genuinely enjoy this game such a simple thing but so beautiful at the same time