Digimon TCG | BT17-EX7 Mother's Here! Shoto Reaper Emerges
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I know. Real original. But for the history of the card game on the channel, this is definitely one of the decks to keep an eye out for with the release of EX7. Should this combination have been choice restricted? Let's discuss.
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Would really appreciate there being more tamer removal in the game. Sometimes it just feels like you can't interact with them at all.
Just gotta be in the right color. Black, blue and green seem to have lots of ways to deal with tamers. Purple has a few specific items. But if you're playing red or yellow? Nope.
Man, let me tell you, I'm already so tired of all Mother Reaper shenanigans. Feels like a genuine exploit, not in the sense of like "well I think you're cheating despite the game rules letting you do that", but "man they really should've said that it can't attack OR block but for some reason they only said attack and now I guess you get free wins off of that". I don't care if it's Shoto or Mamemon or Mercurymon, Mother Reaper should not be an unaffected 15k blocker that you just turtle up behind.
I cover a few things that can counter it at the end. While Mother is unaffected by card effects, Shoto himself is very vulnerable.
@@DIGI-PANDA Yeah, I don't know if I consider "play blue or go for a draw" to be a reasonable set of counters...
@@StarkMaximum Ha, I was looking more in regard to the following:
Blue has a wide variety of effects that can stun cards and prevent them from suspending. They also have some effects which bounce tamers or prevent redirect.
Black has the tamer destruction.
Green has effects that prevent unsuspend.
Even purple has some niche cards that can delete tamers.
Red also just gets enough dp with piercing to get over it, blue has iceclade, tamer decks have blue plug in
what is your preferred game style? Just wondering because I want to throw in my 2 cents here with the fact that 3 turn otk rush games are not interesting. Should Mother-Shoto get hit sure, but so should Dex, Mirage, Imperial, Ancient Garu and Anceint Grey, purple hybrid when it comes out, Fenrir, etc... I dont know what your view point is but personally there is no skill in top decking an otk stack, no skill in following cookie cutter purpose built deck designs from bandai. If you want to end the game as fast as possible with an otk strategy then just switch to Yugioh it has been built for that for nearly a decade. Unless Bandai decides to rebalance the game going forward with good card design, and a banning of most things that came before then we are in a position where a immune blocker that has the ability to come out turn 2 is necessary because turn 2-3 on the other side is lethal.
Tbh I’m not too worried about this deck it’ll be annoying but not unbeatable. My preferred decks are big enough to run over mother or can become unblockable(Ancient grey and garuru) it’s an only a problem if they get too luck in sec.
I think the other strong element of the deck other then security is the fact that the blast digivolution can also be annoying.
The Black Hybrid version has the better searcher: Bokomon, he checks 5 cards and get ANY TAMER and a Hybrid.
The 5 dig deep is nice, but considering you could be going Liberator into Shoemon for a 6 card dig or even Liberator straight into Shoto is nice.
@@DIGI-PANDA I'm just not into the RNG, that's why I don't play Imperial hahaha
Beelzemon is the same for me ha ha.
i see some people are doing Alliance with Mother'
I built a mastemon deck that forgoes level 3s and 2s and just abuses mother d-reaper for 20K sec atk +2 swings with the angewomon inheritable. Its not the most consistent but it gets some milage out of gatekeepers and the fact that you can just spam gatomons to search.
Mother Alliance and then Shoto as your defense is hilarious in its own right.
I'm just tierd of gatekeep decks/cards. Magnamon X was enough of a pain.
I do think it slows down the meta, but largely this affects some decks more than others - especially red and yellow since they don't have ways to remove tamers.
Man, people really dont like Mother/Shoto deck. I feel like everyone is completely wrong because this deck balances out the overall amount of meta / blue decks out here.
I think everyone is just butt hurt that they have to deal with new control deck that balances everyone out haha
yep cuz i love not being able to do anything
No. People don't like it because it completely Invalidates a bunch of rogue decks. Having a match where you have absolutely no way of winning is not fun, especially in a game where side decking doesn't exist.
You wouldn't believe the number of dislikes on this video. I'm just trying to present information here. Hate the deck, not the messenger.
@whatthe573 - this is valid, but largely for Digimon in the past couple of years, it feels like some decks just have a horrid match up against certain decks and you're playing the RNG luck of dodging them in tournaments.
@@DIGI-PANDA I agree. I would like to see side decking added to these tournaments for more player agency. Yugioh has a good system of a 15 card side deck.
Gonna wait for the black hybrids for this style of play, so much blocking
I like that you can dedicate more to recovery now in case you're in a pinch. There's also not much searching either with the black base.
therefore the specification must exist.
Black base dexdorugoramon gonna be eating good with all these shots mother d combos haha.
100% Black has one of the best ways to remove tamers.
Eosmon decks might do well against this, thanks to both Menoa Bellucci cards. I don't think it would be an absolute counter, but it could ruin your opponents mood and that's good enough for me. If you play a troll deck (that's what this is) and get your day ruined because of that, you got what you deserved.
A troll deck vs another? I'm all for it.
Omnimon Ace deck craps on this strategy. I feel so bad for them when I bottom deck their bait or delete their extra digimon. Must suck to get raided over by my 17k Omnimon.
There's also the consideration fo Tai Kamiya's from the starter deck that give the extra DP buff. Sure you can raid over me but if we trade, then the overflow will happen.
That's what I usually use to get 17k or more, but considering that Mother says Digi Egg. I hope that Bandai will update rulings to reflect that Shoto says Digimon. Maybe even have it be specific that it can't be used on Digi-Eggs. That would solve the problem for good.
Why are all the new keywords going to blue decks?
Welll... convenient timing for a video here ha ha :P
which version is better, vlack hybrid or the list you did
Subjective. I think the variant of the list I've proposed here cushions your security. While the black variant adds additional defensive and digivolving elements. Needless to say, black variants will be better with Special Booster 2.0 in about a month.
This deck is going to be annoying.
As annoying as it is, some decks have built in aways to prevent tamers from being suspended and others have ways to prevent attack redirection.
@@DIGI-PANDA True true.
Mother says digi-egg at the top. Shoto says gives a digimon blocker. Simple fix that doesn't apply to anything else in the game since mother is special anyway
Ahhhh well that's unfortunate.
Might wait for Steel hybrid before getting this.
On the plus side, whilst it means you can’t use the wall, it’ll be nice to use in OG reaper and dark masters
It'll definitely get better with BT18!
The hybrid version is better, but that is bt18 evolution.
I'd agree to that! But only when BT18 arrives ha ha.
@@DIGI-PANDA I can't wait. Also the lucemon and milleniumon decks. Delicious.
I'm still rocking the black hybrid version using cherubimon ace at the top. Due to a lot of my locals running imperial magna x I had to tech in pillomon to help stop partition as well as be a body to play off the cherubi ace effect.
Also valid to play! There isn't ever just one avenue to play a deck, there's always other options and ways to spin it to your preference.
Ah yes this deck, the one I like to call "Helping friends quit Digimon'. Truly a master of troll deck/making people not want to play. It really feels like the only way to beat it, is not to play. Or maybe get them to deck out.
I couldn't help but feel this deck combines elements of even sec con
@@DIGI-PANDA The one in my Locals is playing Quartzmon to get you when you refuse to interact. If you go, tamer, tamer, tamer, and he goes, tamer, tamer, tamer, soon enough you'll be in range for and OTK.
Because Shoto has to suspend, it definitely makes it much more vulnerable for the gifiting of blocker. Is it still too generic? In my opinion, yes.
@@DIGI-PANDA Shoto doesn't even need to be banned, just do the restriction it can't be in the same deck as Mother D, it's all we're asking.
@@chiragasnani3437 Nah.
So happy i decided to build eosmon when the bt17 support was revealed 😎
Another fun build as well! I'm still experimenting with a build.
The deck i want to build has no *direct* answer to Mother-Shoto... but it does have the ability to just go wide; and float into other stuff.
But yeah; this deck is degenerate.
A splash of sec con and pain? Yes. Yes it is.
my version Is with Emperor instead of Tai & Kari , don t like Crimson at the moment since the deck has already different colors :) I prefer X-program and other black options like Dg dimension
I've had instances where I have enough memory to Valk the board, then Crimson. That's potentially removing all Digimon with 11000 DP or less and then they can't play anything. Regardless.. it's hilarious and there are many avenues to approach this deck.
I myself am trying this with the diaboromon top end and the clock option. XD
And the memes keep on giving :3
@@DIGI-PANDA it's actually kinda brutal. Can slow down and grind out speedy decks even like ancient garuru. He was not a happy player.
Wasn't really worried about this deck but now i get it very unhealthy deck zero skill required
In playtesting it, deck felt like sec con mixed with making y ou figure out how get around it. Some decks have an easier time doing it. Others no.
Yea, sadly this deck is probably going to make me stop playing the card game all together. I don't like decks that have no true win con and are just stall.
Take breaks as you need to! Ultimately as metas change and shift, Bandai will always restrict certain cards and then ultimately open up the game back to something fresh.
@@DIGI-PANDA Its not even a meta call though. Its just toxic players that use this deck. I haven't lost to it yet, but its a 1/0 match every time. People who go to time for no reason is just bad for the game.
@@zeekcalzaya I do think that a BO3 creates these types of situations whereas BO1 is just one and done. No side deck needed, just build your deck for consistly getting your main combo to go off.
Ace zoo
Sec Con ACE Zoo. Ha ha.
Shoto Mother combo is a necessary evil for the moment. Control decks were languishing compared to the pace of aggro.
I think a lot of players will hate on it nonetheless. Though, personally I think most of these players just need to learn how to deck build and learn how to play against control, as this combo is far from unbeatable. In fact, its probably less annoying than MagnaX cause at least Mother can't swing for an attack, let alone multiple checks. The deck around Shoto Mother has to still be good enough to win. The combo just slows the game's pace down.
Im just happy I can finally work on my Mother Mastemon build. Early testing results on DCGO point to the deck being much better than where Mastemon was for me previously. Hopefully other decks find brews to take advantage of the combo before Bandai inevitably does something about it.
"muhhh I promoted my free guaranteed digi-egg and played a tamer, hmm guess you need to deckbuild better like me"
I also think it's a necessary evil. But I also think that certain cards need to be worded better to prevent vague generic interaction. For Shoto? Just make it Liberator trait and you're good. Koh and Saya? Make them only dawn and dusk trait Digimon.
@@StarkMaximum "muhh promote my rookie and combo off top decking my lvl line to otk for a free guaranteed win" Balance is key we are in a meta with turn 3 lethal that removes counter play to prevent it outside of a security bomb. Hit both sides of the isle and Make Midrange Great Again.
Bad players play this, and bad players complain about it too
Does that make me both? XD
@@DIGI-PANDA yes it does XD
YOU WOULD KNOW :P
@@DIGI-PANDA bad players recognize bad players nature of tcgs