Matt here, got a couple notes about this video: - Yeah Flatter isn't nearly as bad as we make it out to be. I realized some mistakes as I was editing that section of this video, but I didn't delete it. If I did, then I would narrate two sections in a row, which doesn't really flow that well when there's two guys going back and forth. Flatter still isn't a good move, but not really worth a spot in this video - I've seen a couple ideas about things Purify can do that Recover can't, and unfortunately for various reasons most of them either don't work, or they require so much effort to maintain that you don't end up making any progress in the battle. There’s some use cases with possible value, but they’re pretty niche. I'll be making a follow-up video going in more detail about Purify soon. Stay tuned
Also, Belch isn't actually complet dogwater like people make it out to be. It would be atrocious if something like Gengar or Salazzle got it; but the only Pokémon that can really use it effectively is Grumpig of all things.
Don't forget Bestow, which gives the opponent your held item and fails if they already have one. This might seem like it has niche applications, however Trick and Switcheroo work just fine whether or not your opponent has a held item anyway so it's outclassed.
6:02 The Japanese name of Twister, たつまき (竜巻) Tatsumaki, literally means "dragon spiral", and refers to the belief that dragons spiral around themselves to form the shapes of twisters.
Flatter can be used in doubles on your teammate with own tempo to buff them with no drawback Edit: I am not saying it is good by any means, but it has a niche role that could be used. Many may other mons have better ways to buff teammates. But I just wanted to show it could be positive.
@@skyeplaysgames4598 Alcremie and Smeargle aren't exactly the bulkiest of mons. While it is generally better to use Decorate, flatter on an own-tempo mon is still good if you would rather use something that doesn't die the second you apply iron head or brick break to it
@@gnomefrompinkertonyou’ve clearly never played competitive. Did you know that miltank used to run growl? Growl. It’s always about answering a meta games biggest problem. Flatter could be used on contrary mons too to effectively lower their stats
The reason why razor wind is a normal Teach move is because it's somewhat of reference to a Japanese yokai weasel and it's ability to create whirlwinds. This is why the move is not flying type and why a bunch of weasel adjacent grounded mammal Pokemon like buizel and zangoose can learn it
Purify would be much better if the healing always worked. Then in doubles it would be a flat upgrade to recover. Personally I think it could also be buffed by always clearing status on the user as well.
My theory is that Purify is meant to be used by wild Pyukumuku. It learns purify at level 21 in gen 7, and it can be found at level 21-25. The only attacking moves it learns are counter and similar moves, and they’re made less effective by pyukumuku’s focus on defenses instead of hp. It has innards out, but it also has 5 speed so you can always run from it. With all this in mind, I think the idea is that if your mon has a status condition, you can find a wild Pyukumuku and have it purify your mon to avoid a trip to the pokemon center.
Synchronoise could easily be fixed by just having it always deal super effective damage. It seems very strong at the surface but if you can only hit two types of pokemon at maximum you’d want it to be strong.
For Natural Gift, there was one use I saw for it in competitive, albeit a VERY niche one. Carnivine is a Grass type with stronger physical attacks, but doesn't have a lot of physical coverage besides Grass and Dark moves. However, when holding a Watmel Berry, Natural Gift becomes a base 100 Power (in Gen 6 and up) physical Fire move. This allows Carnivine to deal with bulky Grass types it shares the tier with. It also has Sleep Powder, allowing it to put someone to sleep and potentially surprise the Pokemon that switches in to deal with it. A Bug Type may find itself on the receiving end of a strong Fire Natural Gift. Once again, very niche. But something fun to think about!
Although, I believe you can get a 100 base power Fire Hidden Power which is equally good but doesn't take up your item slot which you could use a damage boosting item or status berry for.
If only the Pokeblock/Poffin only berries had additional effects, they would be nice to use with Natural Gift. Only if Harvest isn't restricted to just a few Grass types.
I actually built this irl & paired it with Corrosion Poison Gas Salazzle. Not the best, but definitely won me games. Turns out an omniboosted Hydreigon or Mega-Salamence is pretty good.
Why wasn't Mist mentioned? Mist is a move that prevents you from losing stats from your opponent's moves. The boost it grants isn’t useless, but it is so marginal that it might as well do nothing most of the time. Not to mention it is also a rare move on Pokemon too.
Agree with the Synchronoise take, but I used it once on a Flareon for competitive and, since it was in Gen 7, I was able to just blindside people with the Psychic Z-Move at max power, totally worth it
Purify could be used as a replacement for false swipe if needed. Give your target a burn or poison them then replace it with sleep or paralysis when they’re on low health. Potentially useful against ghost types if you’re specifically targeting them (shiny hunt?) and only in SM/SwSh.
Adding another comment to the Flatter pile: In doubles, Flatter can serve as an alternative to boosting an Own Tempo sweeper to Decorate. Decorate is only available on Alcremie or Smeargle, both of whom will require a focus sash to be able to get eveon one Decorate off, assuming they aren't focused. Flatter can be learned by a bunch of defensive support mons like Mandibuzz, Grimmsnarl, and Nidoqueen, all of whom can eat at least a couple of hits before going down. All this said... There is a problem. While in principle this is a pretty good move... There's no pokemon that actually benefit from it. The ones that do would be giving up something way better, like Mold Breaker or Regenerator. The best use for this I can see is a special attacking Tinkaton. Her atk is only 5 higher and the sheer surprise factor can definitely catch people off guard... But you lose Mold Breaker and you're committing to not using her best move. Other than that, I guess it's useful way down in NU with Ludicolo, I guess? Or LC Rockruff?
Flatter can absolutely be useful. On doubles, using flatter on an ally Own Tempo special attacker is one of the ways of using it, basically allowing you to raise your pokemon's offensive stat (the same goes for Swagger ofc) and attack on the same turn
There actually is a purpose to lowering your crit rate in gen 1. In gen 1, critical hits ignore stat changes so if you boost your stats/lower the opponent’s stats a ton, a crit will actually do less damage making Focus Energy actually useful in that situation.
I had an online argument over the use of flatter with the other side arguing that its great against a physical attacker. Two things i found wrong with that though. One- unless your pokemons special attacks hit about as hard as a shuckle, they are most likely going to have at least one special move on them, especially before the physical/special split. Two- the point of swagger is to make pokemon like Alakazam get punished harder when they hit themselves with very few non specific counterplay. The only person who dares to swagger a machamp is riding lady luck like a bull, but that is a completely viable strategy though luck dependent. if youre so confident you are going to find the exact 120+ attack, 100+speed, adament natured, assult vest, huge power, solo physical sweeper that flatter works on, then you should rather run a pokemon that knows confuse ray so you are safe to gamble that with their special attacker in the back.
In defense of belch, there are some Pokemon that can learn belch, but cannot learn Sludge Bomb or Sludge Wave. Looking through the list though... actually using it seems like a gimmick for low tiers. I don't think it would be a good choice on anything... currently. But I wouldn't be shocked to see it show up as a key feature on a niche set in a future generation. Alolan Exeggutor sadly cannot learn Belch. But if it, or something similar in a future generation could, you could see something like Harvest Custap Berry Exeggutor carrying Belch for Fairy coverage. The 50% accurate moves can also be usable under Gravity, which lowers all evasion stages by 2. The accuracy still isn't perfect (I think it's in the 80s.) Although I believe Victini's Victory Star combined with gravity gives inferno 100% accuracy. Sadly, my results with this haven't been great. It's a neat idea though, and I'd like to see somebody make it work well.
Synchronoize can be made into an electric move by ability swapping abilities with delicate then using ion deluge. You can also just use the soak strategy. A as far as practical use though, it's only good use is for killing zubats
Technically speaking, focus energy could be theoretically beneficial if you the damage you’d do with a critical hit would do less than if you didn’t crit because of critical hits ignoring stat buffs and the opponent’s debuffs.
in gen1 raising your stats wasn't really a thing (other than like evasion I think??) , it was just more worth it to use a fast mon and aim for crits. So more often than not focus energy crippled your team instead of helping
How to improve Flatter: 1) It also boosts the Defense stat by 1. 2) & it doesnt cause confusion when used on a ally, making it the Special version of Coaching.
I do want to say a combo I really enjoy pulling off is swagger into foul play on an eveolited Impidimp. Swagger with prankster then using the typically much stronger pokemon's heightened attack to beat them is really fun for me at least.
So in sun an moon there was a move called laser focus witch made the next atk a crit it worked with future sight so if you timed it right you could dub dip snd get two crits in one turn
Purify should really be buffed, at the very least you could go the route of having it heal status conditions on the user instead of the opponent/make it fully heal so its actually it useful since it has to compete with Recover. If you wanted to go the extreme route, give it full healing and status curing capabilities, but give it like 3 Poképower maximum; you'd have to sacrifice your move slot for something you'd barely use, but it'd essentially give Pyukumuku a guaranteed three turns out on the field (unless your opponent can OH-KO) and that could be worth it for some people. (not to mention: what else would Pyukumuku be doing with four move slots? You could probably fit Purify and Recover on the same set if you wanted)
Happy Hour doubles prize money at the end of a battle. I thought about including it, but I'm sure someone out there appreciates the extra in game cash. But yeah, in competitive contexts it's worthless
With its inclusion in S/V, Smeargle can be teamed up with a Pokemon with either Swagger or Flatter to raise Smeargle's ATK or SP ATK stats and be immune to confusion plus also making it a Non-Normal-Type with Conversion from the Porygon line
OK to be fair to belch if u run it on a mon that's quite bulky (especially if u get trickroom up) that has belly drum and a citrus or that one speed boosting berry that prockw when ur low HP that move would be insane......if it hits
I'd say that Supersonic is worse than Flatter because SuperSonic does the exact same thing as Confuse Ray but with half of the accuracy of Confuse Ray.
I love the style of this video, it reminds me a bit of Podcasts and I like your humor :D You definetely got a new sub :) About the video: I agree with everything, BUT i had one fight in which i successfully used Synchronoise. It was in a draft league and my opponent had a Toxapex, while I had Vaporeon as my bulky water. I predicted he uses Pex because it walled a decent amount of my team, so i played a Tank Vapo with Ebelt and Synchronoise as a lure Set for Toxapex and it worked so well. He had 2 mons left, his Toxapex and Latios and my Vapo swept in the late-game due to this lure set. Never used Synchronoise in a competitive battle, besides this battle. But in this match-up, it was perfect.
Focus Energy actually has a purpose when combined with setup moves. Crits ignore even the positive stat changes so Crit after Swords Dance or Belly Drum is actually useless, so you can Focus Energy so you Crit less!
Oh I strongly disagree with your flatter take. It can be much less risky AND has higher accuracy AND a lower total stat boost for your opponent. If you know you're fighting physical attacks (like in pve) than it's straight up better than swagger.
I mean yeah, during the main game Flatter is perfectly usable, but Swagger is still a viable option because the chance of hitting yourself is so high, and the confusion damage is boosted with that move. And like we said, it’s far from the worst move in this video, cuz at the end of the day, a status is a status
@@MEPlaysGames Yeah you made several remarks related to early game moves like bubble and absorb so I figured you were talking about the most relevant types of play (probably not stuff like nuzlockes, or little cup, but general gameplay or competitive would be a good assumption) @lordinfernape4753
@@lordinfernape4753 except it is good in competitive. Higher accuracy means it's more reliable. Plus when used on a physical attacker the self-damage will already be substantial enough to reduce the KO range. A pokémon having access to both moves gives more opportunity, as well as counterplay. The opponent may not be able to predict which version they use. Which limits the viability of switchins or the use of held items like lum berries
One upside to Purify is that it's maximum PP is 32 compared to Recover's 8. It's incredibly niche though, as double battles already reduce the usefulness of recovery moves. You'd need to build a team that wants Pyukumuku and can fit a Flame Orb or Toxic Orb, but I'm not sure what strategy would want that. Maybe a team that wants Curse and Baton Pass? Or Gastro Acid and Toxic?
Unfortunately no, Flame Orb checks if the holder is burned at the end of every turn, so it'll just reactivate as soon as the Pokemon is cured. Pyukumuku is the slowest Pokemon in the entire game, so it would take the Guts-boosted damage, cure the opponent, then the burn would be reapplied and it would still take Guts boosted damage on the next turn
trick room? Again, incredibly situational, bit I still think it might be potentially useful. Probably too situational, but there's still potential. I think.
At that point though, you're spending so much time reducing their damage output, there's barely any resources left to actually knock them out. You would need a different Pokemon to set up Trick Room, then you would just be using Purify over and over and over every turn, to keep them from dealing Guts-boosted damage. In a single battle you wouldn't be making progress towards knocking them out, because Pyukumuku will run out of Purify power points before your opponent runs out of attacks. You'd just be delaying the inevitable. In a double battle, your opponent will probably catch on and start double targeting your other Pokemon. It's an interesting topic of discussion though, so I'm thinking of making a follow-up video going more in depth on it
The only reason I can think of to use Purify is if youre goung up against a Guts mon that will status itself But what are the odds? And surely you have other ways to counter that. Maybe an interesting strat in a difficulty hack?
"The Japanese name of Razor Wind is Kamaitachi, a direct reference to the Japanese yōkai of the same name. Kamaitachi is a weasel that is depicted with sharp claws, riding on a gust of wind and cutting people's skin on the legs."
Purify could be used against guts pokemon after you knock off the status orb they hold and stop the power boost from guts. Flatter could be used with safeguard to get free sp atk. boosts on a special sweeper in doubles.
6:21 a physical hidden power. Sounds pretty decent to me from a competitive standpoint. Besides wasn't that talenflame's only way to break past heatran in gen 6?
IDK how good Power-Up Punch is in regular Pokémon games, but in Pokémon GO, Power-Up Punch is TERRIBLE! It's the worst move I've ever seen. If I get someone using Power-Up Punch, I just sit there spamming my Fast Attack until they faint, and then crush the rest of their Pokémon into space dust afterwards.
See the problem with that is how much time and effort you'd be spending boosting up and lowering your crit chance. In order for the Focus Energy crit drop to make a meaningful difference, you would have to Swords Dance at least twice, then use Focus Energy. That's three turns of setup to do more damage 15-20% of the time at best. Instead of spending all those turns setting up, you'd be better off using Swords Dance once then starting to attack right away. That also allows you to run another attack or useful status move
I actually used a garbodor with belch. by giving this literal pile of garbage a sitrus berry that always seemed to get used -because I'm trash at this game- I was always basically guaranteed to have access to belch. Not a great move, but fun gimmick.
Gen 1 focus energy is better than it sounds. Unlike further generations, attack buffs do not add to critical hits. This means that if one were to land a crit with multiple swords dances, it would do less damage. Depending on the situation, it can actually be useful.
Focus Energy in Gen 1 isn't that bad. In Gen 1 critical hits ignore stat changes, which means that they can do significantly less damage than normal attacks, and since critical hits are based of speed in gen 1, many pokémon have an extremely high chance of getting critical hits.
Since Pyukumuku is slow, can't Purify be used to reset a Toxic Boost ally's poison counters at least? Say, Zangoose attacks, then Pyuku removes Toxic. Next turn the orb inflicts the status again to give Zang the boost.
I don't think Flatter is a move deserving of being on the list. Sure it's a worse version of confuse ray but for the mons that do get it and not confuse ray someone might want to use it over swagger for the higher accuracy and without the worry of if the opponent gets to move through the confusion, being hit with some +2 attack boosted physical move. Not saying it's great, good, or even decent. But it's certainly not one of the worst moves out there.
Well yeah, like we said it's not the worst move in the video by a long shot. As I was editing though, I realized that it wasn't nearly as bad as I'd thought. Still bad, but not atrocious. I thought about cutting the section entirely, but since Elias and I are going back and forth for each section I decided to leave it in and just accept that I'd probably get comments about it. That way the video as a whole flows a little nicer cuz I don't get two sections in a row. Elias saying it raised your special attack by two stages wasn't a mistake on his part. That's what I had written so that's what he said. I didn't realize till afterwards that it was only 1 stage. So that's my bad, not the greatest minute and a half of content on this channel
Focus energy could actually be used in gen 1 to prevent crits. You wouldn't run this in competetive, but it technically benefits boost sweepers. Crits completely ignore stat changes in gen 1 btw
'Muku does have a niche with purify, in doubles if paired with a Pokemon holding a poison orb or flame orb, can purify that Pokemon every turn and negate the 1/16 passive damage. This works with Pokemon with the guts ability, as the Orbs will activate status at the end of every turn. In other words, the Orb will reactivate after the very end of the last turn so that Guts will still work, but they will not receive passive burn/poison as they were healed of it before it would take effect. This is still very Niche. Recover over Purify anyways
I actually used Purify on a Gen 7 doubles team. Z-Purify gives an omniboost, which I’d baton pass to a sweeper (I think I was using Hydreigon). I’d pair it with Corrosion Salazzle to Poison Gas both enemies and maximize my Purify targets. It was a bit of a meme, but still won quite a lot. Definitely not useless! Also, I wonder if you could PP Stall with Purify & Recover Pyukumuku. 🤔 Probably (thankfully?) not, it sounds awful to play with and against.
Submission is very viable to run on a lot of the mons that get it in gen 1. Normal is the best type in gen 1 afterall, so being able to do super effective dame against it is valuable.
Razor Wind is normal type because it's a bad translation from Japanese, the original name doesn't sound like it's flying type. I can't remember what the more accurate translation was but I saw it in a video somewhere
Bestow is another move that is just horrible. It makes you give your item to your opponent, but you don’t take their item like with trick. So unless the opponent has no item or has already consumed it, this move does nothing. Also, if you really wanna give your opponent an item, you just use trick or switcheroo.
For me personally, Wild Charge is one of the worst moves in the game, which sucks since if it was stronger or lacked a secondary effect it would have been quite good. Its 90 BP Physical Electric move, but it has recoil for some reason, that basically neuters any physical Electric types as that's the strongest widespread physical electric attack, if it didn't have recoil it would have been a great move, and if it was 30 BP stronger it would basically be electric type Brave Bird, which is also great, but of course its 90 BP and has recoil, it's basically the new Submission in my opinion.
Wild Charge is at least a tier above moves like Submission and Take Down, because it's stronger and perfectly accurate. Definitely one of the worst commonly used moves though, it's a real shame that this is the best move for physical electric types. It's got a role to play, but I think we'd all much rather have a better move fill that role
@@MEPlaysGames It may not be one of the worst moves in the game, but in terms of being the best option for a Pokemon to willingly use in battle whether that be for STAB or just physical coverage, it's one of the worst, just like Submission, again if it either was 120 BP or was still 90 BP but didn't do recoil it would of been a great move
Ah yes, budget Volt Tackle. Then again, Volt Tackle's not that great on Pikachu/Raichu considering they're more of a special attacker than physical. Pawmot with Double Shock is basically now what Volt Tackle Pikachu/Raichu was before the physical/special split made it less useful.
@@gigavoltx8340 Would you imagine how much better Electivire would be if Wild Charge was either 120 BP or didn't do recoil, the main weakness of Electivire is that it doesn't have good electric stab, so by giving it one it may be much more viable.
See the problem with that is Guts Pokemon usually use an item like a Flame Orb to activate their ability. If you use Purify to cure their burn, the Flame Orb will just activate again and they'll get the Guts boost back. Pyukumuku is the slowest Pokemon in the entire game, which means the Guts user would get to attack before its status is cured, then it would immediately get the status back after Pyukumuku uses Purify
Like we said in the video though, it’s incredibly unreliable in doubles, because you just have to hope something gets a status and Pyukumuku is in a position to heal
I actually like Submission in Gen 1 for the simple reason that it's wildly available. It's buyable, a lot of pokemon can learn it and Fighting is good coverage.
To make flatter and it's Physical counterpart, Swagger worth it, you need to cripple a pokemon that doesnt use the stat it boosts. Boosting Alakazam's Physical attack isnt worth it as Alakazam has laughable physical attack (This is why you dont run the elemental punches on it in modern day)
Um, how about a doubles strategy using rest on one mon and Purifying it to wake up the mon and recover Pyukumuku? Honestly sounds way better than recover in that situation. And you don't have to run chesto berry/lum berry for free wake ups.
Natural gifts is not that weak I used it on a talonflame to use acrobatics and also I could swagger My own talonflame and used the berry for the +2 without needing to use natural gifts but it came in cluch in some games
Depends on the game. In gens 2-4 it wouldn’t be boosted, but from gen 5 onwards it is, because the damage is calculated when the move hits as opposed to when it’s selected
Focus Energy in Gen 1 wasn't *useless* . It had 1 extremely niche use... to stop you critting. Because crits did not scale with your stat bonuses in Gen 1, so you did not want your Swords Dancer critting!
From what I remember, wasn’t Twister pretty bad at one point? Surprised it wasn’t talked about a little more when mentioned in the Razor Wind segment. Unless I’m straight up wrong. In which case, whoops, sorry.
Matt here, got a couple notes about this video:
- Yeah Flatter isn't nearly as bad as we make it out to be. I realized some mistakes as I was editing that section of this video, but I didn't delete it. If I did, then I would narrate two sections in a row, which doesn't really flow that well when there's two guys going back and forth. Flatter still isn't a good move, but not really worth a spot in this video
- I've seen a couple ideas about things Purify can do that Recover can't, and unfortunately for various reasons most of them either don't work, or they require so much effort to maintain that you don't end up making any progress in the battle. There’s some use cases with possible value, but they’re pretty niche. I'll be making a follow-up video going in more detail about Purify soon. Stay tuned
I want to say that I actually really appreciate these mea culpas, it shows strong character to let people know the things you were wrong about
Also, Belch isn't actually complet dogwater like people make it out to be. It would be atrocious if something like Gengar or Salazzle got it; but the only Pokémon that can really use it effectively is Grumpig of all things.
Don't forget Bestow, which gives the opponent your held item and fails if they already have one. This might seem like it has niche applications, however Trick and Switcheroo work just fine whether or not your opponent has a held item anyway so it's outclassed.
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6:02 The Japanese name of Twister, たつまき (竜巻) Tatsumaki, literally means "dragon spiral", and refers to the belief that dragons spiral around themselves to form the shapes of twisters.
Dragon sprial tower
Tatsumaki 😳
@@gabrielaragon9562 From OPM
Flatter can be used in doubles on your teammate with own tempo to buff them with no drawback
Edit: I am not saying it is good by any means, but it has a niche role that could be used. Many may other mons have better ways to buff teammates. But I just wanted to show it could be positive.
Use an Alcremie with Decorate
@@skyeplaysgames4598 Or a Smeargle with Decorate.
@@skyeplaysgames4598 Alcremie and Smeargle aren't exactly the bulkiest of mons. While it is generally better to use Decorate, flatter on an own-tempo mon is still good if you would rather use something that doesn't die the second you apply iron head or brick break to it
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@@gnomefrompinkertonyou’ve clearly never played competitive. Did you know that miltank used to run growl? Growl. It’s always about answering a meta games biggest problem.
Flatter could be used on contrary mons too to effectively lower their stats
The reason why razor wind is a normal Teach move is because it's somewhat of reference to a Japanese yokai weasel and it's ability to create whirlwinds. This is why the move is not flying type and why a bunch of weasel adjacent grounded mammal Pokemon like buizel and zangoose can learn it
Purify would be much better if the healing always worked. Then in doubles it would be a flat upgrade to recover. Personally I think it could also be buffed by always clearing status on the user as well.
I fully agree
My theory is that Purify is meant to be used by wild Pyukumuku. It learns purify at level 21 in gen 7, and it can be found at level 21-25. The only attacking moves it learns are counter and similar moves, and they’re made less effective by pyukumuku’s focus on defenses instead of hp. It has innards out, but it also has 5 speed so you can always run from it. With all this in mind, I think the idea is that if your mon has a status condition, you can find a wild Pyukumuku and have it purify your mon to avoid a trip to the pokemon center.
If they don't plan to give it to too many more Pokemon, they could do both.
Synchronoise could easily be fixed by just having it always deal super effective damage. It seems very strong at the surface but if you can only hit two types of pokemon at maximum you’d want it to be strong.
Only way it's really good is with 5 mons with trick and holding ring target 😅
For Natural Gift, there was one use I saw for it in competitive, albeit a VERY niche one.
Carnivine is a Grass type with stronger physical attacks, but doesn't have a lot of physical coverage besides Grass and Dark moves. However, when holding a Watmel Berry, Natural Gift becomes a base 100 Power (in Gen 6 and up) physical Fire move. This allows Carnivine to deal with bulky Grass types it shares the tier with.
It also has Sleep Powder, allowing it to put someone to sleep and potentially surprise the Pokemon that switches in to deal with it. A Bug Type may find itself on the receiving end of a strong Fire Natural Gift.
Once again, very niche. But something fun to think about!
Nat gift yache berry breloom has been used in gen 5 too for lando and glisc
I used Scizor gen 5 natural gift with occa Berry (fire type) and it works.
Although, I believe you can get a 100 base power Fire Hidden Power which is equally good but doesn't take up your item slot which you could use a damage boosting item or status berry for.
If only the Pokeblock/Poffin only berries had additional effects, they would be nice to use with Natural Gift. Only if Harvest isn't restricted to just a few Grass types.
@@Shugunouwhich gen did they fixed HP's BP to 60?
There was a niche with z purify giving pykumuku an omniboost and baton pass it, but pretty much nothing else
I actually built this irl & paired it with Corrosion Poison Gas Salazzle. Not the best, but definitely won me games. Turns out an omniboosted Hydreigon or Mega-Salamence is pretty good.
Why wasn't Mist mentioned? Mist is a move that prevents you from losing stats from your opponent's moves. The boost it grants isn’t useless, but it is so marginal that it might as well do nothing most of the time. Not to mention it is also a rare move on Pokemon too.
Niche but useful.
Even when it comes up in-game you can save a moveslot and just use guard spec. instead. Terrible move
Wish an ability automatically sets Mist. It prevents Haze from resetting your stat boosts (coz that count as a stat down).
Agree with the Synchronoise take, but I used it once on a Flareon for competitive and, since it was in Gen 7, I was able to just blindside people with the Psychic Z-Move at max power, totally worth it
Purify could be used as a replacement for false swipe if needed. Give your target a burn or poison them then replace it with sleep or paralysis when they’re on low health. Potentially useful against ghost types if you’re specifically targeting them (shiny hunt?) and only in SM/SwSh.
Adding another comment to the Flatter pile: In doubles, Flatter can serve as an alternative to boosting an Own Tempo sweeper to Decorate. Decorate is only available on Alcremie or Smeargle, both of whom will require a focus sash to be able to get eveon one Decorate off, assuming they aren't focused. Flatter can be learned by a bunch of defensive support mons like Mandibuzz, Grimmsnarl, and Nidoqueen, all of whom can eat at least a couple of hits before going down. All this said... There is a problem. While in principle this is a pretty good move... There's no pokemon that actually benefit from it. The ones that do would be giving up something way better, like Mold Breaker or Regenerator. The best use for this I can see is a special attacking Tinkaton. Her atk is only 5 higher and the sheer surprise factor can definitely catch people off guard... But you lose Mold Breaker and you're committing to not using her best move. Other than that, I guess it's useful way down in NU with Ludicolo, I guess? Or LC Rockruff?
Flatter can absolutely be useful. On doubles, using flatter on an ally Own Tempo special attacker is one of the ways of using it, basically allowing you to raise your pokemon's offensive stat (the same goes for Swagger ofc) and attack on the same turn
It's also kinda good to deal with Contrary, specially now that it only works one time
@@edgargaebolg9307how so?
There actually is a purpose to lowering your crit rate in gen 1. In gen 1, critical hits ignore stat changes so if you boost your stats/lower the opponent’s stats a ton, a crit will actually do less damage making Focus Energy actually useful in that situation.
In doubles you could use flatter if you wanted to give your ally Pokemon a nasty plot but didn't want them to take a turn off or use up a move slot
And then pray they don’t hit themselves in confusion, wasting their turn?
@@THGMR-ox7sd Or your ally could have an ability that ignores confusion
Natural gift is like a crappier z move if you think about it
true actually
I had an online argument over the use of flatter with the other side arguing that its great against a physical attacker. Two things i found wrong with that though. One- unless your pokemons special attacks hit about as hard as a shuckle, they are most likely going to have at least one special move on them, especially before the physical/special split. Two- the point of swagger is to make pokemon like Alakazam get punished harder when they hit themselves with very few non specific counterplay. The only person who dares to swagger a machamp is riding lady luck like a bull, but that is a completely viable strategy though luck dependent. if youre so confident you are going to find the exact 120+ attack, 100+speed, adament natured, assult vest, huge power, solo physical sweeper that flatter works on, then you should rather run a pokemon that knows confuse ray so you are safe to gamble that with their special attacker in the back.
In defense of belch, there are some Pokemon that can learn belch, but cannot learn Sludge Bomb or Sludge Wave.
Looking through the list though... actually using it seems like a gimmick for low tiers. I don't think it would be a good choice on anything... currently. But I wouldn't be shocked to see it show up as a key feature on a niche set in a future generation.
Alolan Exeggutor sadly cannot learn Belch. But if it, or something similar in a future generation could, you could see something like Harvest Custap Berry Exeggutor carrying Belch for Fairy coverage.
The 50% accurate moves can also be usable under Gravity, which lowers all evasion stages by 2. The accuracy still isn't perfect (I think it's in the 80s.) Although I believe Victini's Victory Star combined with gravity gives inferno 100% accuracy. Sadly, my results with this haven't been great. It's a neat idea though, and I'd like to see somebody make it work well.
Also u can use low accuracy moves with blunder policy and the 50% moves can't be taunted.
9:31 "move with that kind of power & accuracy r gonna have some sort of drawback"
Calyrex: hold my horse
Synchronoize can be made into an electric move by ability swapping abilities with delicate then using ion deluge. You can also just use the soak strategy. A as far as practical use though, it's only good use is for killing zubats
Technically speaking, focus energy could be theoretically beneficial if you the damage you’d do with a critical hit would do less than if you didn’t crit because of critical hits ignoring stat buffs and the opponent’s debuffs.
in gen1 raising your stats wasn't really a thing (other than like evasion I think??) , it was just more worth it to use a fast mon and aim for crits. So more often than not focus energy crippled your team instead of helping
@@testerwulf3357(Amnesia would like to know your location.)
How to improve Flatter: 1) It also boosts the Defense stat by 1. 2) & it doesnt cause confusion when used on a ally, making it the Special version of Coaching.
I do want to say a combo I really enjoy pulling off is swagger into foul play on an eveolited Impidimp. Swagger with prankster then using the typically much stronger pokemon's heightened attack to beat them is really fun for me at least.
‘Umbreon can’t use synchronoise’ miracle eye would let but not worth it
I mean there's ways around it, if you change Umbreon's type it would also work but like, don't, just use Psychic if you want that coverage
So in sun an moon there was a move called laser focus witch made the next atk a crit it worked with future sight so if you timed it right you could dub dip snd get two crits in one turn
Purify should really be buffed, at the very least you could go the route of having it heal status conditions on the user instead of the opponent/make it fully heal so its actually it useful since it has to compete with Recover.
If you wanted to go the extreme route, give it full healing and status curing capabilities, but give it like 3 Poképower maximum; you'd have to sacrifice your move slot for something you'd barely use, but it'd essentially give Pyukumuku a guaranteed three turns out on the field (unless your opponent can OH-KO) and that could be worth it for some people. (not to mention: what else would Pyukumuku be doing with four move slots? You could probably fit Purify and Recover on the same set if you wanted)
I was gonna say purify is sometimes used on Arceus sets in Ubers, but I mixed it up with refresh and realized that I completely forgot purify existed
happens to the best of us
Happy Hour also falls into the Splash camp lol
Happy Hour doubles prize money at the end of a battle. I thought about including it, but I'm sure someone out there appreciates the extra in game cash. But yeah, in competitive contexts it's worthless
@@MEPlaysGames Fair enough
With its inclusion in S/V, Smeargle can be teamed up with a Pokemon with either Swagger or Flatter to raise Smeargle's ATK or SP ATK stats and be immune to confusion plus also making it a Non-Normal-Type with Conversion from the Porygon line
OK to be fair to belch if u run it on a mon that's quite bulky (especially if u get trickroom up) that has belly drum and a citrus or that one speed boosting berry that prockw when ur low HP that move would be insane......if it hits
I'd say that Supersonic is worse than Flatter because SuperSonic does the exact same thing as Confuse Ray but with half of the accuracy of Confuse Ray.
Splash, celebrate and hold hands are decent as a Z-moves at least. So I'd say they are actually better than the rest of the list.
I love the style of this video, it reminds me a bit of Podcasts and I like your humor :D
You definetely got a new sub :)
About the video: I agree with everything, BUT i had one fight in which i successfully used Synchronoise.
It was in a draft league and my opponent had a Toxapex, while I had Vaporeon as my bulky water.
I predicted he uses Pex because it walled a decent amount of my team, so i played a Tank Vapo with Ebelt and Synchronoise as a lure Set for Toxapex and it worked so well. He had 2 mons left, his Toxapex and Latios and my Vapo swept in the late-game due to this lure set.
Never used Synchronoise in a competitive battle, besides this battle. But in this match-up, it was perfect.
Focus Energy actually has a purpose when combined with setup moves. Crits ignore even the positive stat changes so Crit after Swords Dance or Belly Drum is actually useless, so you can Focus Energy so you Crit less!
Oh I strongly disagree with your flatter take. It can be much less risky AND has higher accuracy AND a lower total stat boost for your opponent. If you know you're fighting physical attacks (like in pve) than it's straight up better than swagger.
I mean yeah, during the main game Flatter is perfectly usable, but Swagger is still a viable option because the chance of hitting yourself is so high, and the confusion damage is boosted with that move. And like we said, it’s far from the worst move in this video, cuz at the end of the day, a status is a status
This is a competitive video, flatter is not good competitively
They're making valid points, we talk a lot about competitive play on this channel, but we also talk about casual play
@@MEPlaysGames Yeah you made several remarks related to early game moves like bubble and absorb so I figured you were talking about the most relevant types of play (probably not stuff like nuzlockes, or little cup, but general gameplay or competitive would be a good assumption)
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@@lordinfernape4753 except it is good in competitive. Higher accuracy means it's more reliable. Plus when used on a physical attacker the self-damage will already be substantial enough to reduce the KO range.
A pokémon having access to both moves gives more opportunity, as well as counterplay. The opponent may not be able to predict which version they use. Which limits the viability of switchins or the use of held items like lum berries
Flatter would be way better if confusion was changed to always take the highest attacking stat into calculation instead of just physical attack
One upside to Purify is that it's maximum PP is 32 compared to Recover's 8. It's incredibly niche though, as double battles already reduce the usefulness of recovery moves. You'd need to build a team that wants Pyukumuku and can fit a Flame Orb or Toxic Orb, but I'm not sure what strategy would want that. Maybe a team that wants Curse and Baton Pass? Or Gastro Acid and Toxic?
Purify could probably be used on a opponent's flame orb guts pokemon, eliminating the damage bonus from guts. Very situational, but still possible.
Unfortunately no, Flame Orb checks if the holder is burned at the end of every turn, so it'll just reactivate as soon as the Pokemon is cured. Pyukumuku is the slowest Pokemon in the entire game, so it would take the Guts-boosted damage, cure the opponent, then the burn would be reapplied and it would still take Guts boosted damage on the next turn
trick room? Again, incredibly situational, bit I still think it might be potentially useful. Probably too situational, but there's still potential. I think.
At that point though, you're spending so much time reducing their damage output, there's barely any resources left to actually knock them out. You would need a different Pokemon to set up Trick Room, then you would just be using Purify over and over and over every turn, to keep them from dealing Guts-boosted damage. In a single battle you wouldn't be making progress towards knocking them out, because Pyukumuku will run out of Purify power points before your opponent runs out of attacks. You'd just be delaying the inevitable. In a double battle, your opponent will probably catch on and start double targeting your other Pokemon. It's an interesting topic of discussion though, so I'm thinking of making a follow-up video going more in depth on it
Fair point
Is it cool if I use screenshots from this thread if I do make a video? Cuz you do bring up some good talking points
In doubles fling a sp attack boosting berry at your teammate who uses belch
The only reason I can think of to use Purify is if youre goung up against a Guts mon that will status itself
But what are the odds? And surely you have other ways to counter that. Maybe an interesting strat in a difficulty hack?
Synchronoise had 70 base power in gen 5, when it was introduced (alongside the 80 power Psyshock). So, yeah.
"The Japanese name of Razor Wind is Kamaitachi, a direct reference to the Japanese yōkai of the same name. Kamaitachi is a weasel that is depicted with sharp claws, riding on a gust of wind and cutting people's skin on the legs."
I've been playing Pokemon since the beginning of time and I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SYNCHRONOISE! Wtf is that!? 🤣
okay hear me out: toxic heal gliscor is meta defining right now. you knock off that toxic orb, then purify him....
Purify could be used against guts pokemon after you knock off the status orb they hold and stop the power boost from guts. Flatter could be used with safeguard to get free sp atk. boosts on a special sweeper in doubles.
to be fair, Z-Purify can provide an omni-boost, and Pyukumuku learns baton pass.
6:21 a physical hidden power.
Sounds pretty decent to me from a competitive standpoint.
Besides wasn't that talenflame's only way to break past heatran in gen 6?
Flatter and oppurtunist work pretty well together too. Flatte rhe opponent. Have oppurtunist copy the boost
IDK how good Power-Up Punch is in regular Pokémon games, but in Pokémon GO, Power-Up Punch is TERRIBLE! It's the worst move I've ever seen. If I get someone using Power-Up Punch, I just sit there spamming my Fast Attack until they faint, and then crush the rest of their Pokémon into space dust afterwards.
In defense of Flatter in comparison with Swagger, it is 100% accurate, over Swagger's 85%, so it's more consistent as a last ditch confusion tactic.
Gen 1 crits ignored stat buffs and debuffs, so if you swords dance’d you wouldn’t want to get a critical hit. So focus energy could be useful.
See the problem with that is how much time and effort you'd be spending boosting up and lowering your crit chance. In order for the Focus Energy crit drop to make a meaningful difference, you would have to Swords Dance at least twice, then use Focus Energy. That's three turns of setup to do more damage 15-20% of the time at best. Instead of spending all those turns setting up, you'd be better off using Swords Dance once then starting to attack right away. That also allows you to run another attack or useful status move
I actually used a garbodor with belch. by giving this literal pile of garbage a sitrus berry that always seemed to get used -because I'm trash at this game- I was always basically guaranteed to have access to belch. Not a great move, but fun gimmick.
Gen 1 focus energy is better than it sounds. Unlike further generations, attack buffs do not add to critical hits. This means that if one were to land a crit with multiple swords dances, it would do less damage. Depending on the situation, it can actually be useful.
Where do I find the playthrough of infinite fusion?
We never finished it so we only uploaded three episodes on our other channel Miles Per Game
Waut till this man hears what a double battle is.
Synchronize can be used if you tear up I don't think terrestrial might work
If the opposing Pokemon was a Swellow, Purify was a good move I think since you know, Guts+Facade
The Flame Orb activates at the end of every turn, so as soon as you use Purify, Swellow will just get burned again
7:29 Is this a permanent use or does it work like a stat buff where of forced to switch you'll have to somehow get another berry.
Focus Energy in Gen 1 isn't that bad. In Gen 1 critical hits ignore stat changes, which means that they can do significantly less damage than normal attacks, and since critical hits are based of speed in gen 1, many pokémon have an extremely high chance of getting critical hits.
Since Pyukumuku is slow, can't Purify be used to reset a Toxic Boost ally's poison counters at least? Say, Zangoose attacks, then Pyuku removes Toxic. Next turn the orb inflicts the status again to give Zang the boost.
I don't think Flatter is a move deserving of being on the list. Sure it's a worse version of confuse ray but for the mons that do get it and not confuse ray someone might want to use it over swagger for the higher accuracy and without the worry of if the opponent gets to move through the confusion, being hit with some +2 attack boosted physical move. Not saying it's great, good, or even decent. But it's certainly not one of the worst moves out there.
Well yeah, like we said it's not the worst move in the video by a long shot. As I was editing though, I realized that it wasn't nearly as bad as I'd thought. Still bad, but not atrocious. I thought about cutting the section entirely, but since Elias and I are going back and forth for each section I decided to leave it in and just accept that I'd probably get comments about it. That way the video as a whole flows a little nicer cuz I don't get two sections in a row. Elias saying it raised your special attack by two stages wasn't a mistake on his part. That's what I had written so that's what he said. I didn't realize till afterwards that it was only 1 stage. So that's my bad, not the greatest minute and a half of content on this channel
Fun fact: Synchronoise was even WORSE in Gen 5! It was originally only 80 Base Power. Yes, really.
Focus energy could actually be used in gen 1 to prevent crits. You wouldn't run this in competetive, but it technically benefits boost sweepers.
Crits completely ignore stat changes in gen 1 btw
'Muku does have a niche with purify, in doubles if paired with a Pokemon holding a poison orb or flame orb, can purify that Pokemon every turn and negate the 1/16 passive damage. This works with Pokemon with the guts ability, as the Orbs will activate status at the end of every turn. In other words, the Orb will reactivate after the very end of the last turn so that Guts will still work, but they will not receive passive burn/poison as they were healed of it before it would take effect.
This is still very Niche. Recover over Purify anyways
I actually used Purify on a Gen 7 doubles team. Z-Purify gives an omniboost, which I’d baton pass to a sweeper (I think I was using Hydreigon). I’d pair it with Corrosion Salazzle to Poison Gas both enemies and maximize my Purify targets. It was a bit of a meme, but still won quite a lot. Definitely not useless!
Also, I wonder if you could PP Stall with Purify & Recover Pyukumuku. 🤔 Probably (thankfully?) not, it sounds awful to play with and against.
Submission is very viable to run on a lot of the mons that get it in gen 1. Normal is the best type in gen 1 afterall, so being able to do super effective dame against it is valuable.
Natural Gift could be really good if you use it with a Pokémon that can have Harvest, such as Tropius.
flatter is a 100% accurate confusion move with no drawback against physical attackers? how is that bad
Razor Wind is normal type because it's a bad translation from Japanese, the original name doesn't sound like it's flying type. I can't remember what the more accurate translation was but I saw it in a video somewhere
Bestow is another move that is just horrible. It makes you give your item to your opponent, but you don’t take their item like with trick. So unless the opponent has no item or has already consumed it, this move does nothing. Also, if you really wanna give your opponent an item, you just use trick or switcheroo.
Umbreon can hit dark types with synchronoise but only if the move miracle eye is used but even then who is using either move competitively
Rage absolutely not worth having
dynamic punch is used on gengar is gen 2 sometimes
For me personally, Wild Charge is one of the worst moves in the game, which sucks since if it was stronger or lacked a secondary effect it would have been quite good. Its 90 BP Physical Electric move, but it has recoil for some reason, that basically neuters any physical Electric types as that's the strongest widespread physical electric attack, if it didn't have recoil it would have been a great move, and if it was 30 BP stronger it would basically be electric type Brave Bird, which is also great, but of course its 90 BP and has recoil, it's basically the new Submission in my opinion.
Wild Charge is at least a tier above moves like Submission and Take Down, because it's stronger and perfectly accurate. Definitely one of the worst commonly used moves though, it's a real shame that this is the best move for physical electric types. It's got a role to play, but I think we'd all much rather have a better move fill that role
@@MEPlaysGames It may not be one of the worst moves in the game, but in terms of being the best option for a Pokemon to willingly use in battle whether that be for STAB or just physical coverage, it's one of the worst, just like Submission, again if it either was 120 BP or was still 90 BP but didn't do recoil it would of been a great move
Ah yes, budget Volt Tackle. Then again, Volt Tackle's not that great on Pikachu/Raichu considering they're more of a special attacker than physical. Pawmot with Double Shock is basically now what Volt Tackle Pikachu/Raichu was before the physical/special split made it less useful.
@@gigavoltx8340 Would you imagine how much better Electivire would be if Wild Charge was either 120 BP or didn't do recoil, the main weakness of Electivire is that it doesn't have good electric stab, so by giving it one it may be much more viable.
I can see purify being useful against a guts pokemon
See the problem with that is Guts Pokemon usually use an item like a Flame Orb to activate their ability. If you use Purify to cure their burn, the Flame Orb will just activate again and they'll get the Guts boost back. Pyukumuku is the slowest Pokemon in the entire game, which means the Guts user would get to attack before its status is cured, then it would immediately get the status back after Pyukumuku uses Purify
I believe purify is intended for double battles
Like we said in the video though, it’s incredibly unreliable in doubles, because you just have to hope something gets a status and Pyukumuku is in a position to heal
I actually like Submission in Gen 1 for the simple reason that it's wildly available. It's buyable, a lot of pokemon can learn it and Fighting is good coverage.
Belch punk rock toxtricity is pretty nasty ngl
Belch only works with fling tbqh, it’s easier to handle in doubles but not singles
To make flatter and it's Physical counterpart, Swagger worth it, you need to cripple a pokemon that doesnt use the stat it boosts. Boosting Alakazam's Physical attack isnt worth it as Alakazam has laughable physical attack (This is why you dont run the elemental punches on it in modern day)
Wait ive actually never heard of the move Syncronoise since when was that a thing?????
It's been around since gen 5
@@MEPlaysGames Bruh thats such a weird yet cool move.
Natural gift is only useful for harvest pokemon
Z purify boosts all stats and pyukumuku gets baton pass
Z-celebrate boost all of your stats so it actually could be pretty scary. Especially with stored power synergy.
Purify should be like Aromatherapy + Recover
Um, how about a doubles strategy using rest on one mon and Purifying it to wake up the mon and recover Pyukumuku?
Honestly sounds way better than recover in that situation. And you don't have to run chesto berry/lum berry for free wake ups.
so if I terastallize with synchronoise i can use it on both/all types i have?
Synchronoise doesn't exist in gen 9 so no
Splash and celebrate were pretty good in gen 7
I love your channel, you deserve at least a milion subs!!
Somebody hasn't heard of mirror herb yet ig
Natural gifts is not that weak I used it on a talonflame to use acrobatics and also I could swagger My own talonflame and used the berry for the +2 without needing to use natural gifts but it came in cluch in some games
Natural Gift + Harvest + Sun = Reusable move. Also, Recycle
Neither of those are worth it because of the extra turns you need to set them up
So question. If I future sight. Then next turn calm mind. Is the future sight star boosted or regular?
Depends on the game. In gens 2-4 it wouldn’t be boosted, but from gen 5 onwards it is, because the damage is calculated when the move hits as opposed to when it’s selected
you guys have a fun dynamic. great video! ^_^
Gen 1 focus energy is good for catching pokemon
(Twister is dragon type cause twister in mythology was cause of dragon)
I thought i accidentally put yt on 1.5x speed
Focus Energy in Gen 1 wasn't *useless* . It had 1 extremely niche use... to stop you critting. Because crits did not scale with your stat bonuses in Gen 1, so you did not want your Swords Dancer critting!
Purify is dumb like they should of just made it a recover that also heals a status for the pokemon
From what I remember, wasn’t Twister pretty bad at one point? Surprised it wasn’t talked about a little more when mentioned in the Razor Wind segment.
Unless I’m straight up wrong. In which case, whoops, sorry.
Flatter work against Serperior contrary