even raspberry pi has more basic useful protocols then you for private security for at least detecting your compromised when hackers are getting better and better at even finding holes in ads
if you include chrome os (which is just a fork of gentoo) linux is at 6.28%, plus another thing to consider is the fact that a lot of linux users do everything possible to avoid telemetry, meaning the statistics being gathered could be significantly lower than the actual number
these services use websites to get the statistics, numbers based on telemetry of some distros are utterly useless to them. ChromeOS can kind of be considered a Linux distro, even though it's not intended to run Linux apps (the ability is disabled by default), but most importantly it runs on low-powered laptops that are only used to access the browser, so they bring no value to the Linux community, they might as well be using Android.
I wonder what the breakdown of OS market share by user age is. I think a lot of young guys would prefer to use Linux, if they could, and I suspect once people get onto Linux they'll be unlikely to switch back.
@NeilHaskins I am not sure that's as true as you might think. Lots of people switch back and forth, usually for work software or a game. As for the age break down, I would be very interested to see it
we should get the governments to force OEMs to ship computers without an OS, and you have to buy the OS separately at the store. it would really make consumers think a lot more about what they're paying. like the consumer has to pay $200 to get windows or they could get a free version for Linux
@JessicaFEREM imo that would be even worse. You think geek squad is a scam now wait till they are selling windows set up packages for 500$ plus the hardware. What we need is for linux machines with linux pre-installed to be sold in stores. Which system76 and Dell both make good linux pre-installed systems.
If you want computers without OS, then look for enterprise grade laptops such as thinkpads and Dell Latitude. Yes, they exist since 2000. Rise and shine, sister.
@StonerSquirrel Yes you can get them we know. But that's not really what we talking about. We're talking about how Most people will just use whatever is on the PC
I don't think it should be mandated, but hopefully as more people use linux more systems will have the option to ship with it. If the price is lower (due to not having to purchase licenses for windows), people would probably at least look into to save a little money.
More likely I see the EU government mandating equal opportunity. So maybe a lot of systems come with different options of OS that are all pre-installed. The linux option would probably work out either cheaper, or the same price so the store can pocket the difference.
I already use Linux Lite for my laptop. Works great! I'm still putting off switching over my desktop to a Linux distro because I don't know for sure if VR will work as intended.
These days I run a mini-PC box as my browser/daily PC that has Linux on it, it exists solely to run the web browser and light programs related to it, for which Linux is perfect for. Then I have another separate PC for gaming connected to my peripherals and monitors USB switch and my monitor's features. This way I can shut off my gaming Windows PC when I don't need it, and keep the efficient mini-PC with Linux going. Switching between the two is a matter of pushing two buttons: One for USBs and the monitor. It's private as the systems are hardware separate and I can keep both of them up simultaneously, which wouldn't be possible with dual boot.
@@LinuxInvictus It for sure has. But with Linux gaming the perpetual problem are the annoying exceptions rather than the norm. It's not Linux's fault really. If the games someone plays and the associated addons/whatnot run well and conveniently on Linux, then one should definitely do that. My issue is that I play MMO:s and those addon managers that are Windows only, and on Linux I'd have to manually manage dozens of addons that have frequent mandatory updates. It's kinda annoying as WoW runs better on Linux out of the box, but then I have to compromise on convenience quite a bit.
I’ve only used windows and iPhones. Now I have a bootable Linux mint and am in the process of unloading my dependence on Apple services. In order to switch over to android in the not too distant future. We need free and open software with vehicles, too.
Need Windows to play my multiplayer games with my boys. Until all multiplayer games, not some, not most, but all can be played, i doubt Linux as a main desktop is going to get even 10% market share
The only games that are multi-player and don't run on Linux is games with kernel level anti cheat. Which you 100% should not be supporting that with your money. It's basically Spyware and these companies can't be trusted
@@LinuxInvictus You sound like a conspiracy nutjob. You should 100% not tell people what they should or should not support with their money. Battlefield is not a spyware its a fun game, Tarkov, is not a spyware its a fun game, PUBG is not a spyware its a fun game, MW2 is not a spyware its a fun game, Destiny 2 is not a spyware its a fun game, Dead by Daylight is not a spyware its a fun game, Rust is not a spyware its a fun game, Civilization is not a spyware its a fun game.
By Market Share is meant Market Adoption right? Cause share implies something different.... Also do surveys like that account for the amount of UNIX based systems provided to schools?
@@LinuxInvictus I feel it pertinent to disclose that I am, in fact, a user of the distinguished Arch Linux, should such information hold any significance.
Longer then MS what? Been around? Windows has been around since 86. And while linux was created in 1991, it was not until about the mid 94s you could actually install it on something. So that's almost 10 years after windows, and when windows already had dominance. Besides it's not like linux has been irrelevant the whole time. It's huge in the server space.
@@LinuxInvictus Windows only had a decent OS starting with Windows 95-that’s when everyone started actually using it. 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 Sure, both base OSs came out in '85 and '91, but as you said, people didn’t really start using Linux until ‘94-just one year before Windows 95 came out. So, if you’re going off who had the first popular OS, Linux may have been around longer for the tech-savvy, but the general public didn’t care until Windows 95. If I had a trophy, I’d give it to you for having longevity over mass public use. But only recently has Linux started having a halfway decent OS, while Windows had that back in ‘95. And when we say "decent," we don’t mean perfect-we mean something the general public could use. 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
@@marcus_cole_2 the curve is going up way faster ever since COVID. Before COVID it was at 1% That's a quadrupling in just 4 years, and it shows no sign of slowing down in fact it's still trending up, meanwhile windows is trending down and MacOS is stagnating.
@@JessicaFEREM Oh, how impressive! Here's your participation trophy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. You needed a global pandemic just to quadruple that 1% to 4%. What an achievement! Here's your participation trophy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. Windows might be trending down, and macOS is stagnating, but hey, Ubuntu finally made it to 4%. So, here's your participation trophy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 for all that hard work!"
I wonder why people are dissatisfied with MacBooks? Love 'em or hate 'em, Apple really innovated and moved the needle with their M-series silicon. Personally, I would never buy a MacBook as I love Linux way too much, but for 20 years I've been dreaming about a laptop that's completely silent and yet powerful (and Apple are the only company so far who have managed to pull this off).
They pulled it because they use a ripped off BSD and Unix like systems have a long history with risc and arm based architectures, unlike windows which is still very much a x86 os. I actually think arm cpus have a lot of potential for laptops, even though in my opinion laptops are becoming more niche. You also might be interested in the development of the Chinese chips using risk 5. Chinese are looking at going into linux big time.
@@LinuxInvictus I'm often taking a peek at where RISC V is 😉 I have a RISC V SBC, and am learning how to code for it. x86 is all well and good (for legacy apps), but it's a bit long in the tooth now (the same way COBOL or FORTRAN are in software development). The new Apple M series silicon can outperform top of the line i7 desktop CPUs while just sipping power. I blame Intel for this - they were the only show in town for ages, and they become complacent and failed to innovate (while enjoying their CPU monopoly). Competition is definitely a good thing, and I think we'll see some pretty interesting innovations from China in the coming 5 years. What I love about RISC V is it's open!
The vast majority of people don't want to buy "a computer". They're not interested in investing the time to learn how to install an operating system, and it could be argued that they should have to. The vast majority of people want to buy an "appliance", which is why Apple is the richest company in the world (well, among other reasons, but you get the gist of what I'm saying).
@racejay You mean the cups one? That's pretty easy to plug, as you until need cups if you want to connect to a printer and you can block the port very easily.
@racejay and honestly from what I just read, it seems very suspect as it doesn't make any sense. Like how is there all this secrecy when you can literally go and see the reports?
One reason is that bluetooth has got a lot better in Linux Mint and Ubuntu. I have bluetooth headphones and ear buds & both work perfectly.
2003 will be the year of the Linux desktop.
My next build will use Debian.
I remember using Linux Desktop at work in 2003. It was surprisingly good. However, it took some years before I adopted it at home.
i use arch btw. become like me my brother.
@@BedlessBlade I use Gentoo, commoner.
None of our infrastructure is ran on you so what possible metric could anyone see value in you outside shills shilling it up
even raspberry pi has more basic useful protocols then you for private security for at least detecting your compromised when hackers are getting better and better at even finding holes in ads
We're rising up, boys!
It's almost time to release skipidi against windows!
@@Shady-Frank fight the rizzbellion
@@LinuxInvictus where we droppin, unc?
@@Shady-Frank MS HQ
if you include chrome os (which is just a fork of gentoo) linux is at 6.28%, plus another thing to consider is the fact that a lot of linux users do everything possible to avoid telemetry, meaning the statistics being gathered could be significantly lower than the actual number
Yes, but chrome is the exact opposite of what linux is. We can not consider that a win.
If you consider telemetry, chrome os can not be trusted
these services use websites to get the statistics, numbers based on telemetry of some distros are utterly useless to them.
ChromeOS can kind of be considered a Linux distro, even though it's not intended to run Linux apps (the ability is disabled by default), but most importantly it runs on low-powered laptops that are only used to access the browser, so they bring no value to the Linux community, they might as well be using Android.
I had a comment stating, essentially Chrome OS might be almost as bad as windows for telemetry. Wonder why the comment got deleted from RUclips.
@@everydaycommentator6036 yea, its definitely one of the worst if not the worst linux distro(s) but its still technically a linux distro
I wonder what the breakdown of OS market share by user age is. I think a lot of young guys would prefer to use Linux, if they could, and I suspect once people get onto Linux they'll be unlikely to switch back.
@NeilHaskins I am not sure that's as true as you might think. Lots of people switch back and forth, usually for work software or a game.
As for the age break down, I would be very interested to see it
we should get the governments to force OEMs to ship computers without an OS, and you have to buy the OS separately at the store. it would really make consumers think a lot more about what they're paying. like the consumer has to pay $200 to get windows or they could get a free version for Linux
@JessicaFEREM imo that would be even worse. You think geek squad is a scam now wait till they are selling windows set up packages for 500$ plus the hardware.
What we need is for linux machines with linux pre-installed to be sold in stores. Which system76 and Dell both make good linux pre-installed systems.
If you want computers without OS, then look for enterprise grade laptops such as thinkpads and Dell Latitude. Yes, they exist since 2000. Rise and shine, sister.
@StonerSquirrel Yes you can get them we know. But that's not really what we talking about. We're talking about how Most people will just use whatever is on the PC
I don't think it should be mandated, but hopefully as more people use linux more systems will have the option to ship with it. If the price is lower (due to not having to purchase licenses for windows), people would probably at least look into to save a little money.
More likely I see the EU government mandating equal opportunity. So maybe a lot of systems come with different options of OS that are all pre-installed. The linux option would probably work out either cheaper, or the same price so the store can pocket the difference.
Last year, I bought a powerful miniPC preloaded with Windows 11 and switched it to Linux Mint.
@@JackeryThompson-lq8zk probably ran a lot better
The good option.
I already use Linux Lite for my laptop. Works great!
I'm still putting off switching over my desktop to a Linux distro because I don't know for sure if VR will work as intended.
@kongoubongo1114 I haven't looked into it a lot my self, but from what I heard vr is basically non existent on Linux.
started using linux 2 months ago, never going back to windows
@@caylarabdk8389 There isn't a reason to anymore now that you can even get mods for games like skyrim working
These days I run a mini-PC box as my browser/daily PC that has Linux on it, it exists solely to run the web browser and light programs related to it, for which Linux is perfect for. Then I have another separate PC for gaming connected to my peripherals and monitors USB switch and my monitor's features. This way I can shut off my gaming Windows PC when I don't need it, and keep the efficient mini-PC with Linux going. Switching between the two is a matter of pushing two buttons: One for USBs and the monitor. It's private as the systems are hardware separate and I can keep both of them up simultaneously, which wouldn't be possible with dual boot.
Thats a pretty original set up. That said linux gaming has come a long way.
@@LinuxInvictus It for sure has. But with Linux gaming the perpetual problem are the annoying exceptions rather than the norm. It's not Linux's fault really. If the games someone plays and the associated addons/whatnot run well and conveniently on Linux, then one should definitely do that. My issue is that I play MMO:s and those addon managers that are Windows only, and on Linux I'd have to manually manage dozens of addons that have frequent mandatory updates. It's kinda annoying as WoW runs better on Linux out of the box, but then I have to compromise on convenience quite a bit.
@@MidWitPride see the only mmo I ever played was eve online and that always worked.
I’ve only used windows and iPhones. Now I have a bootable Linux mint and am in the process of unloading my dependence on Apple services. In order to switch over to android in the not too distant future.
We need free and open software with vehicles, too.
Thats interesting and never really occured to me before.
Need Windows to play my multiplayer games with my boys. Until all multiplayer games, not some, not most, but all can be played, i doubt Linux as a main desktop is going to get even 10% market share
The only games that are multi-player and don't run on Linux is games with kernel level anti cheat. Which you 100% should not be supporting that with your money. It's basically Spyware and these companies can't be trusted
@@LinuxInvictus You sound like a conspiracy nutjob. You should 100% not tell people what they should or should not support with their money. Battlefield is not a spyware its a fun game, Tarkov, is not a spyware its a fun game, PUBG is not a spyware its a fun game, MW2 is not a spyware its a fun game, Destiny 2 is not a spyware its a fun game, Dead by Daylight is not a spyware its a fun game, Rust is not a spyware its a fun game, Civilization is not a spyware its a fun game.
Just use a virtual machine.
@@LinuxInvictus I'll support it anyway
@od3stroyer771 That's just silly and a complete lack of self respect.
By Market Share is meant Market Adoption right? Cause share implies something different.... Also do surveys like that account for the amount of UNIX based systems provided to schools?
No they don't. The stats are tabulated through website finger printing like distro watch
I use arch btw ( i use arch btw )
@Some_guy124 by the way I use arch.
@@LinuxInvictus I feel it pertinent to disclose that I am, in fact, a user of the distinguished Arch Linux, should such information hold any significance.
I use gentoo, commoner.
You are sus
The world shall know Arch, btw.
@@iennefaLsh Remember the name Arch, btw.
This is great news if it's true.
You're proud of 4.55% market share after 30 years of develop start handing out those participation trophies
oh to note that's longer than Microsoft
Longer then MS what? Been around? Windows has been around since 86. And while linux was created in 1991, it was not until about the mid 94s you could actually install it on something. So that's almost 10 years after windows, and when windows already had dominance.
Besides it's not like linux has been irrelevant the whole time. It's huge in the server space.
@@LinuxInvictus Windows only had a decent OS starting with Windows 95-that’s when everyone started actually using it. 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Sure, both base OSs came out in '85 and '91, but as you said, people didn’t really start using Linux until ‘94-just one year before Windows 95 came out. So, if you’re going off who had the first popular OS, Linux may have been around longer for the tech-savvy, but the general public didn’t care until Windows 95. If I had a trophy, I’d give it to you for having longevity over mass public use. But only recently has Linux started having a halfway decent OS, while Windows had that back in ‘95. And when we say "decent," we don’t mean perfect-we mean something the general public could use.
🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
@@marcus_cole_2 the curve is going up way faster ever since COVID. Before COVID it was at 1%
That's a quadrupling in just 4 years, and it shows no sign of slowing down in fact it's still trending up, meanwhile windows is trending down and MacOS is stagnating.
@@JessicaFEREM Oh, how impressive! Here's your participation trophy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. You needed a global pandemic just to quadruple that 1% to 4%. What an achievement! Here's your participation trophy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆. Windows might be trending down, and macOS is stagnating, but hey, Ubuntu finally made it to 4%. So, here's your participation trophy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 for all that hard work!"
i just reinstalled linux 3 a few days ago, no need to thank me guys (i dont use arch btw)
Yippee!
I wonder why people are dissatisfied with MacBooks? Love 'em or hate 'em, Apple really innovated and moved the needle with their M-series silicon. Personally, I would never buy a MacBook as I love Linux way too much, but for 20 years I've been dreaming about a laptop that's completely silent and yet powerful (and Apple are the only company so far who have managed to pull this off).
They pulled it because they use a ripped off BSD and Unix like systems have a long history with risc and arm based architectures, unlike windows which is still very much a x86 os.
I actually think arm cpus have a lot of potential for laptops, even though in my opinion laptops are becoming more niche.
You also might be interested in the development of the Chinese chips using risk 5. Chinese are looking at going into linux big time.
@@LinuxInvictus I'm often taking a peek at where RISC V is 😉 I have a RISC V SBC, and am learning how to code for it. x86 is all well and good (for legacy apps), but it's a bit long in the tooth now (the same way COBOL or FORTRAN are in software development).
The new Apple M series silicon can outperform top of the line i7 desktop CPUs while just sipping power. I blame Intel for this - they were the only show in town for ages, and they become complacent and failed to innovate (while enjoying their CPU monopoly). Competition is definitely a good thing, and I think we'll see some pretty interesting innovations from China in the coming 5 years. What I love about RISC V is it's open!
i dont use linux... because i cant find an empty usb stick
The vast majority of people don't want to buy "a computer". They're not interested in investing the time to learn how to install an operating system, and it could be argued that they should have to. The vast majority of people want to buy an "appliance", which is why Apple is the richest company in the world (well, among other reasons, but you get the gist of what I'm saying).
i use arch
By the way
@@LinuxInvictus what u use?
@BedlessBlade Right now alpine and Garuda. I am working on videos on both. After that haven't decided if I am gonna move to gentoo or artix
@@LinuxInvictus i dualboot arch with hyprland and debian with kde
I use gentoo, commoner.
This rise will be annihilated when people know about a RCE security flaw in Linux that ranks 9.9/10 on the severity scale...
@racejay You mean the cups one? That's pretty easy to plug, as you until need cups if you want to connect to a printer and you can block the port very easily.
@racejay and honestly from what I just read, it seems very suspect as it doesn't make any sense. Like how is there all this secrecy when you can literally go and see the reports?
Please get a better mic
@@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY Why?
Linux more like no thanks
linux more like privacy respecting
How does that boot taste?
@JessicaFEREM probably tastes like a mac sending all your info to apple in plain text.
Or windows screen capping everything.
@@LinuxInvictus I think the NSA influences many decisions made at Microsoft.
@@dogamongstmen Oh 1000%