Particularly impressed that they picked the early days of the Fokker scourge, before the Sopwith camel and Fokker Triplane, when the French and Germans were just working out how to fire through a propeller.
Who would have imagined that what might seem like an eccentric tv series now, could be so exciting and enlightening!!!! Well done BBC, the individual uploader, and RUclips!!! 🌟👍👏✌️
An absolutely brilliant TV-serie. Too bad it isn't as recognised as it deserve. In this particular episode the constant artillery rumbling in the background really helps in creating the wanted WW1 feeling.
Fantastic series. It stopped rather abruptly in the second series when there was still room for a further stories to be told of the RFC. Shame really because it was making some excellent points about not only First World War Britain but 1970s Britain.
... that is: Britain's class system was and is still holding the country back with outdated and prejudiced views toward those percieved as 'inferior classes;' that British engineering, innovation, technical skills were not up to the standards of the Germans; the First World War leaders were incompetent and finally comradeship between different social groups is possible.
I've heard about this series right around the other Wings series came out. Being from the United States, the local public tv stations hasn't aired the uk series. But the last aired classic series of All Creatures Great & Small. That was the last classic tv series that was aired on a my local PBS tv station. Thank you for posting the series. This is my very first time watching the series.
During the trial, I was surprised that in defence of Sgt Farmer, no mention was made that previous standing orders were, "Not to engage the enemy when on long range reconnoissance."
I agree totally. Dramatic effect be damned. It was like ignoring a charging rhino 30 feet away while you try to explain fear. But as Tony said, the writing in this series wasn't just very good. It was very real and exactly on point in each episode. There mostly was no drama created just to entertain us but drama based on reality of the time and situation.
@@mikeyoung9810 Err, you mean the writing was in fact, superior? 'wasn't just very good' means it was better than 'just very good?' Then you go on to say 'there mostly was no drama created just to entertain us but drama based on reality (etc.)' when *Tony Duncan* said, 'it was ignored for dramatic effect.' With my limited understanding of the English language, I think he is saying exactly the opposite of what you think he said. If I were a friend of the prisoner, I would have definitely mentioned the famous "Charge of the Light Brigade" as evidence that orders may be misinterpreted or even incorrectly issued by the commanding officer in charge.
Yes, this court-martial was written poorly. Farmer and Conrad got chewed out by Triggers for engaging the enemy on a previous flight. The words: "Why can nobody on this flight obey my orders!" were used. Stating it as an order. This would mean that the Lt should be facing a court-martial. The only thing that did make sense is Triggers' frustration at Gaylion for not asking the correct and right questions.
Simmerson of Sharpe is Gaylion here. Cochrane is a fantastic actor, I now realise. This series is brilliant. I missed it when it came out. We are so lucky. _They_ weren't. . . .
They should have sent LT Conrad to another flight, or even another squadron. While he was technically not in violation of his own orders, he certainly was not respectful of his CO’s wishes.
I watched the series when it first aired on TV almost 40 years ago, and watching it again now on youtube I'd forgotten how good it was with excellent acting and great scripts..:) Just one little gripe- I didn't like the way it kept cutting back to the boring village which turned it into a bit of a soap (yawn), but luckily with youtube we can skip through those bits..:)
Another excellent episode with guest stars Tim Pigott-Smith as Major Cashman and Anthony Andrews as Lt. Walker. Lt. Conrad played by Jeremy Child is an absolute #*+@!
Gaylion should have brought up the fact that that Lt. Colonel VC is in the habit of issuing orders in the air that his own CO would not have given on the ground.
Tim Pigott Smith as a younger man, but still and always in british military roles .Dod he ever get a chance to play anything else in his career. he's brilliant at it but still..curious to see him in something else for a change... O my, isn't that King Edward the 7th as the prosecutor? indeed!
I really enjoyed the scene where Gaylion and Triggers got reamed over the almost-escape of those two Huns, actually..what was the rank and role of the guy who bawled them out?
It's a bit irritating that neither Gay Lion or Alan himself mentioned that Triggers HAD specifically told them not to engage the enemy. There's drama and then there's dumbness.
Situations like this are why I cannot understand how and why enlisted men would be put in charge of an airplane. If his CO on the ground gives one set of orders and someone who outranks him is in the airplane, which one is the enlisted man supposed to obey?
Firstly, he isn't in charge, the Observer is, sort of like a commander. The trouble is Triggers didn't give orders specific enough, he just said run if there was trouble which technically, at least initially there wasn't.
Triggers orders to all pilots and observers that they were not to engage with the enemy and that they were to avoid combat in all circumstances. In fact the had chastised this particular observer from engagng in combat.
WTF is the point of flying in pairs when they are virtually defenceless anyway? It's like telling your kids to swim in pairs when there is a GWS spotted in the area. All it does is save the Hun the trouble of going and finding the second guy..
Kate , Judy points out correctly 4 pairs of Eyes . The Eindecker was attacking from below and behind . 2 planes spread slightly apart would allow either plane to spot a Plane beneath the other one . Doctrine was constantly changing and being developed because they were the first flyers using airplanes to hunt each other . They flew in pairs and in the next war 2 pairs would fly together in Finger 4 formation . Each of the 4 planes had a chance to spot a Bogey and decide if it was a Bandit or not . They also installed Mirrors on the Spitfires and Hurricanes to check their own 6:00 clock . Kate this was a very good question . As far as Great Whites , the 2nd kid was bait to allow the other to escape ?
2022 and still such an EPIC TV series! Loved it in 1982, love it still today! 🧡
Particularly impressed that they picked the early days of the Fokker scourge, before the Sopwith camel and Fokker Triplane, when the French and Germans were just working out how to fire through a propeller.
When Triggers staggers into that court room it brings home just what a massive presence Nicholas Jones is for the series.
Who would have imagined that what might seem like an eccentric tv series now, could be so exciting and enlightening!!!! Well done BBC, the individual uploader, and RUclips!!! 🌟👍👏✌️
the brotherly pat on the head by triggers was a nice touch showing how combat veterans forge great bonds.
An absolutely brilliant TV-serie. Too bad it isn't as recognised as it deserve.
In this particular episode the constant artillery rumbling in the background really helps in creating the wanted WW1 feeling.
Anthony Andrews AND Tim Piggott-Smith in the same room! Completely brilliant.
Fantastic series. It stopped rather abruptly in the second series when there was still room for a further stories to be told of the RFC. Shame really because it was making some excellent points about not only First World War Britain but 1970s Britain.
... that is: Britain's class system was and is still holding the country back with outdated and prejudiced views toward those percieved as 'inferior classes;' that British engineering, innovation, technical skills were not up to the standards of the Germans; the First World War leaders were incompetent and finally comradeship between different social groups is possible.
Thanks Luey,
Excellent episode-best of the series so far!
I've heard about this series right around the other Wings series came out. Being from the United States, the local public tv stations hasn't aired the uk series. But the last aired classic series of All Creatures Great & Small. That was the last classic tv series that was aired on a my local PBS tv station. Thank you for posting the series. This is my very first time watching the series.
thanks for posting.
During the trial, I was surprised that in defence of Sgt Farmer, no mention was made that previous standing orders were, "Not to engage the enemy when on long range reconnoissance."
It was ignored for dramatic effect. The writing is very good, and superior to that of "Piece of Cake" IMO.
I agree totally. Dramatic effect be damned. It was like ignoring a charging rhino 30 feet away while you try to explain fear. But as Tony said, the writing in this series wasn't just very good. It was very real and exactly on point in each episode. There mostly was no drama created just to entertain us but drama based on reality of the time and situation.
@@mikeyoung9810 Err, you mean the writing was in fact, superior?
'wasn't just very good' means it was better than 'just very good?'
Then you go on to say 'there mostly was no drama created just to entertain us but drama based on reality (etc.)' when *Tony Duncan* said, 'it was ignored for dramatic effect.'
With my limited understanding of the English language, I think he is saying exactly the opposite of what you think he said.
If I were a friend of the prisoner, I would have definitely mentioned the famous "Charge of the Light Brigade" as evidence that orders may be misinterpreted or even incorrectly issued by the commanding officer in charge.
Yes, this court-martial was written poorly.
Farmer and Conrad got chewed out by Triggers for engaging the enemy on a previous flight.
The words: "Why can nobody on this flight obey my orders!" were used. Stating it as an order.
This would mean that the Lt should be facing a court-martial.
The only thing that did make sense is Triggers' frustration at Gaylion for not asking the correct and right questions.
Simmerson of Sharpe is Gaylion here. Cochrane is a fantastic actor, I now realise. This series is brilliant. I missed it when it came out. We are so lucky. _They_ weren't. . . .
Lieutenant Bravington is Wellington is Sharpe as well
Excellent episode yet again. 47:10
They should have sent LT Conrad to another flight, or even another squadron. While he was technically not in violation of his own orders, he certainly was not respectful of his CO’s wishes.
I watched the series when it first aired on TV almost 40 years ago, and watching it again now on youtube I'd forgotten how good it was with excellent acting and great scripts..:)
Just one little gripe- I didn't like the way it kept cutting back to the boring village which turned it into a bit of a soap (yawn), but luckily with youtube we can skip through those bits..:)
Another excellent episode with guest stars Tim Pigott-Smith as Major Cashman and Anthony Andrews as Lt. Walker. Lt. Conrad played by Jeremy Child is an absolute #*+@!
I had a feeling Anthony Andrews was going to turn up in this series sooner or later
The Trigster is back! BOOM, However, that was the worst court martial I have ever seen. No wonder where Blackadder got the idea from!!
Gaylion should have brought up the fact that that Lt. Colonel VC is in the habit of issuing orders in the air that his own CO would not have given on the ground.
Tim Pigott Smith as a younger man, but still and always in british military roles .Dod he ever get a chance to play anything else in his career. he's brilliant at it but still..curious to see him in something else for a change...
O my, isn't that King Edward the 7th as the prosecutor? indeed!
Done - many thanks Luey!
What a load of officer jerks they had in those days, thank heavens Daddy lightning entry into forces has been stopped.
Very nice, a series on WW1. Never heard of it Thanks!
I have thoroughly enjoyed your to British series posted on your playlist I’m wondering if you have access to UXB unexploded bomb
Interesting Stuff, thank you.
Whoa, is the dude on the court marital from V for Vendetta???
Just watching it now tally ho pip pip and Bernard's your uncle,on episode 11 s1❤
I really enjoyed the scene where Gaylion and Triggers got reamed over the almost-escape of those two Huns, actually..what was the rank and role of the guy who bawled them out?
KateLicker That was the squadron commander, Major Biggins. (Captain Triggers being a flight commander.)
It's a bit irritating that neither Gay Lion or Alan himself mentioned that Triggers HAD specifically told them not to engage the enemy. There's drama and then there's dumbness.
The stupidity of the British officer class knows no bounds!
I believe you are correct.
Situations like this are why I cannot understand how and why enlisted men would be put in charge of an airplane. If his CO on the ground gives one set of orders and someone who outranks him is in the airplane, which one is the enlisted man supposed to obey?
Firstly, he isn't in charge, the Observer is, sort of like a commander. The trouble is Triggers didn't give orders specific enough, he just said run if there was trouble which technically, at least initially there wasn't.
Triggers orders to all pilots and observers that they were not to engage with the enemy and that they were to avoid combat in all circumstances. In fact the had chastised this particular observer from engagng in combat.
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WTF is the point of flying in pairs when they are virtually defenceless anyway? It's like telling your kids to swim in pairs when there is a GWS spotted in the area.
All it does is save the Hun the trouble of going and finding the second guy..
four pairs of eyes to spot a threat and bug out
Kate , Judy points out correctly 4 pairs of Eyes . The Eindecker was attacking from below and behind . 2 planes spread slightly apart would allow either plane to spot a Plane beneath the other one . Doctrine was constantly changing and being developed because they were the first flyers using airplanes to hunt each other . They flew in pairs and in the next war 2 pairs would fly together in Finger 4 formation . Each of the 4 planes had a chance to spot a Bogey and decide if it was a Bandit or not . They also installed Mirrors on the Spitfires and Hurricanes to check their own 6:00 clock . Kate this was a very good question . As far as Great Whites , the 2nd kid was bait to allow the other to escape ?
It's so the wing-man can engage the enemy plane with the lewis gun from an angle while the other plane is 'bait'.
@@Retro-Future-Land point taken...awkward iffy and insipid, isn't it..
The old vicar didn't know she had been widowed??
He was new.
No. The regimental chaplain did know.