I find it funny people trust the less trained people to save their lives. Instead of getting trained there self and having the ability to save there own but.
As a 30 year veteran LEO, I can sadly agree that too many cops are deficient in the tools of the trade. That said, admin and politicians have been de-emphasizing and defunding lethal force training for decades. They DO NOT want cops to shoot anyone because they fear lawsuits and political fallout.
@@USCtrojanFootball1news flash, lots of us Democrats are gun owners who actually practice..we just don't run around desperately trying to look like Tommy Tactical, so you probably never notice us...
Excellent vid! Your demo has been my personal theory on this topic all along however you are the first person to actually post up the examples with the proper picture angles and finger insertion to show the reality of compromise with a light bearing holster to trigger guard protection on striker fired pistols. I have watched a few vids on YT from "engineers" illustrating the mechanical aspect of trigger functionality and it provided me the same confidence the weapon is not going to magically "fire" uncommanded. Thanks for posting this up.
you know it's ok to take a gun apart and put together on youtube now right? you can remove the slide on youtube, the only thing that is prohibit, is videos instructing users how to remove the safety devices from firearms. It will also restrict videos showing automatic or homemade firearms for users under 18, other than that you can show taking a gun apart, i have videos on how you clean your handgun and show how to remove things and take slides off and all that and i show it on the video.. There is no rule anymore that prohibits you from taking the slide off the gun and other parts as well, except removing safety devices ..
Awesome commentary at the beginning! I feel the pain of passing people who struggle to qual year after year. It's embarrassing and scary to be working alongside some of these people after watching them shoot. We have tried to up our standards a bit but people balk of course and change happens very slowly. To hit on another point, I thought I was a decent shooter and instructor till I started paying attention to training stuff from the competition greats. Made me realize how much I really don't know, but the learning journey continues always, and I'm trying to find ways to incorporate those lessons into a (sadly) dumbed down version for mostly casual LE shooters.
Thank you. I worried that I spent too much time on that subject but I really wanted to convey how the poor training was related to the issue. One of the biggest problems associated with the training programs we are used to is that there is a lot of tradition and antiquated practices that need to go away. Nobody wants to change the way we’ve always done it. Sad.
I don’t mess with the 320s for many reasons I run the 365 proven to not have drop safe issues or going off in holster. Little different design of FCU n I love the 226-229 series
Hey, I appreciate this video a lot. I was in law enforcement after active duty only for 4 years. I dont have as much time in law enforcement as you do and others. From the time I was in, I couldn't articulate the oddness i found where id meet a squared away deputy who was proficient in their firearms, empty hand, verbal skills, investigation practices. When i did I tried to follow what they did, so i spent a lot of time investing in BJJ, working with my firearms, talking to people as people. But what you said literally drove me away there were almost felt like too many that did not do that. We carried Glock 17s and i just purchased my first sig (p365 X Macro Tacops). I was a little worried with that 320's history, but i really like the feel of sig. I instantly when dry firing noticed the difference in those 2 triggers all my firearms are stock minus a streamlight or i just got a holosun eps carry. But i agree the sig trigger is great its awesome but i do think it requires even more discipline then say a glock. Also wonder about the safariland holsters with lightbearing if part of the problem is just they make them a 1 size fits all guns? We had those safariland holsters and that thing was like a bucket.
Great video, I have looked at both of my 320s and they don't have any issue with the disconnector ... I can pull the slide all the way back and dead trigger. All factory
We need more police trainers/admins like yourself. I've always wanted to become a cop growing up, but then once i got there... well i could help my community better elsewhere. I was a cadet for the swat team in baltimore city and those guys are amazing. I enjoyed every second training with those guys, but when it came time to training the regular patrol officers.. man did no one want to train. I could not believe the majority of these cops were even allowed guns, they failed most drills we ran through but were just recycled right back in. They are struggling for cops so bad that they are just pushing people through and its really terrible.
If it's possible to discharge a weapon in a duty holster you better believe more of these negligent discharges are coming because we're all human and make mistakes especially in high stress situations.
I totally agree. I have shot with all sources of people and the police departments are not being trained enough and self integrity of training is not maintained you will have mishandling of any weapon and I have seen it.
You are 100% telling the truth. I put more rounds down range in a month than the local pd where i grew up does in a year. Only a few there actually train regularly.
Me personally I’ve been in law enforcement for only 3 years. But I’m coming from 14 years in the military ( 2nd bct 10th mountain division) let me tell you I feel the reason p320s having issues in law enforcement is it has no trigger safety. The lack of training I’ve seen not just in my agency but multiple training agency at least in my area is they don’t train enough so in a high stress situation or even a medium stress situation drawling then re-holstering without that extra step of safety can really make a difference. Most law enforcement require the bare minimum for qualification with their firearm and most officers give the bare minimum when it comes to training.
Excellent review and analysis. I’m not a fan of the P320, I think the quality control has had some issues. When they first came out I saw them on my national guard deployment, and they had trouble feeding the ammo for their qual. When I got back home to my state trooper job I heard agencies were telling guys to keep the slide back for 2 weeks when off duty to get the spring broken in. My first qual with it, I was helping coach on the range, not a one could make it through a qual without some malfunction. However I never saw an M17 have a problem after that. So I think they had quality control issues, at least at the beginning. I agree the adding trigger safeties would be the best solution for most of the NDs being reported. As far as Safariland goes they had a couple of decades being the cock of the walk and didn’t spend that time refining and fixing flaws. I’ve had too many for training that had rocks and gravel still in them; I stopped using them in 2020.
If Sig fixed it why is there still videos of post upgraded P320 going off in holsters just last year? And look up RUclipsr Gunghis about his post upgrade X5 P320 going off in his holster during a steel match in front of many witnesses and Sig Sauer themselves inspected his P320 and said it was NOT USER ERROR. ...fanboys seem to ignore that little detail.
Excellent video. I respect your point of view and appreciate the message that you have put out there. In my opinion i don't think enough emphasis is being put out there about the issues that glock experienced during their initial issuing to law enforcement. Would glock have experienced their success without their law enforcement contracts? More than likely not. Glock was in a situation where if they wanted sustained success in that market they were going to have to make changes from their original design. There is nothing wrong with that, nothing is perfect. They bent to the needs of the consumer. That's just smart business. Should there be more emphasis on training for law enforcement officers? Absolutely. But the gun manufactures cannot not count on that. They have to protect the integrity of their product. So what I'm driving at is if sig sauer wants similar success in the leo market perhaps they can take a page out of what glock had to do and make the 320 more safe for those that for whatever reason refuse to become more proficient with their duty weapon. It's sad that this is the case but it is what it is. This lack of proficiency has given the platform a bad reputation. The internet wasn't around in those days so getting the message out to the public that glocks were unsafe was allot harder to accomplish. We live in the information age now so the false narrative that the 320 is unsafe has spread like wild fire. These are questions that I'm sure sig sauer is pondering. How important are these law enforcement contracts to the company? There are millions of dollars at stake so i think it would be smart for sig to make changes to meet the safety demands of this particular market.
Excellent video with great points. I've always thought that the P320 discharge issue was improper handling. How is the blackhawk holster with the Glock 17 and the TLR1? I have the same one and the glock is so loose that I can pull the gun so far down that it completely bypasses the hood. I'm wondering if I just got a lemon or if that's how they all are.
Mine have a little back and forth play but not nearly enough to bypass the hood. The P320 Holster is tighter than the Glock one I have. Interesting…Another option I recently picked up but haven’t had a lot of testing with is the Comptac CT 3. No play in that one. That’s a Glock 17 holster with TLR1.
@@40calnevadausa47 Thanks for getting back to me. I might just have one thats a little out of spec. I'll call blackhawk later this week. I actually have the comp tac. It is a lot tighter than the blachawk, but I don't like the release button as much.
CCW holsters are user preference. I would recommend finding a high quality one that you feel comfortable with and fits your preference as far as carry style. I like crossbreed holsters for iwb and LAG tactical, or Raven concealment for owb for my 320s . Just make sure whatever you go with covers that trigger well.
No offense, but most law enforcement officers are horrible with guns. They could use a lot more training. It makes no sense that CCWs have more gun knowledge.
Its all training. When Glocks first came out in the 90's to replace revolvers there where multiple "accidental discharges" with the guns "going off on their own". (in Philly alone we had 20 in less then 6 months). Problem was there was zero training for handling the firearm and the revolver draw with a heavy trigger was ingrained in the officers vs the Glocks. (guess everyone commenting below was to young to remember all the bad press, thank god Glocks didnt have to deal with the internet, instead Glock just paid to have their bad press removed from newspapers and television reports, now a days it would have been a witch hunt for sure).
True, but everyone forgets that there was a change in technology going from a revolver to a semi auto. But going from Glock to Sig? What changed? Semi auto vs semi auto, no difference in tech. Only thing that changed was the gun.
@@patrickcarcamo622 the lack of the trigger safety is the big difference, ive seen people pull glocks out of their holster with the finger riding the side of the trigger (not in the trigger itself but the side edge). And the Sig does not have that to prevent an actual pull like the Glock trigger safety does. (if Sig implemented this like every other manufacturer you wouldnt have this issue). Again its training, the military does not have discharge issues as giant majority going in is pretty much learning to shoot their first handgun ever on the Sig, and because of that learn the do's and dont's vs the police departments that have always used Glocks, but made the switch to Sigs to officers who have always had a specific way they would ride the trigger while drawing from their holsters. (another issue is the holsters types, some holsters have more snag issues, which again, the trigger safety on the glock prevents). If people are worried about this there are plenty of aftermarket kits available from just installing a standard thumb safety like the m17/m18 have to a trigger safety like Agency Arms has for example. Or just learn proper holster discipline. (never heard of competition shooter having a accidental discharge with a P320 because they practice holstering techniques over and over again.
Hearing this report about the poor training for cops it seems reasonable that they would be issued service pistols with an external safety just as the military does. Too my mind any striker fire gun should have a safety as the fireing pin is under constant preasure when a round is in the chamber. On the judicial side should you have an "ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE" you can be charged with Reckless Endangerment!!
New sub! Yeah i'm embarrassed with some of my partners that don't take shooting seriously. Love my Glocks and that's what I carry so that's what I train with. My gun collection is simple and I like it that way. I've owned STI's and Staccato's and realized I shoot my Glocks just as good, so I sold them and now I only shoot Glock. But training and effort makes you a good shooter. Not the gun.
My 2 cents, even though I have very limited experience with the 320 and have only dry fired it, is that Sig made a gun that is mechanically safe. However, I think they made a trigger that is trying to be too light with too little take up without enough backup safeties. Meaning that sure you could throw it on the ground and it won't go off, but IF something DOES get into the trigger guard there isn't enough resistance to stop anything. It's a lot like carrying a cocked 1911 and only using the grip safety.
@@turkish8969 That's doesn't even make sense? They had drop safe issues and did a recall and addressed the issue. Any of the gun going off issues I've seen haven't been because of dropping, but going off in holsters or bags.
October 2019 I was yearly requalify duty pistol. I holster my p320 carry model to run to next area and it went off. It ended up shooting me. I don’t feel safe with 320 ever again.
The amount of opinions regarding p320’s from absolute morons is mind numbing. Whole lot of opinions from people that have no basic mechanical understanding. Being a “cop” doesn’t make you an expert on firearms.
You’re not lying about how proficient a lot of police officers are not when it comes down to their training and handling of a firearm. I’ve myself have first hand witnessed egotistical officers at the range who can’t accurately hit a target at 7 yards. You try to give them small pointers and they completely ignore your help. I legit blame the lack proficiency on the badge. That badge give them a since of pride that they feel super human and feel like because of that badge that they can get into a gunfight at any time and take on a threat (s). It’s a sad reality because majority of officers are not getting into a gunfight so a trained person. God forbid if that day ever comes they will like you said, get destroyed by that trained individual l
For me, I just don't like how it looks. Polymer sigs looks like a downgrade from the beautifully crafter p220 series (p228 is my favorite). Same as the striker fired beretta, it is ugly as hell.
I think Sig wanted to stand apart from other striker fired designs and eliminate the dingus partly because a lot of reviewers negative comments about the Glock dingus. That and the triggers that they had on hand were already made for the P250 so probably to save money.
Even if they brought back the dingus/trigger safety, that would not change the fact that the firing pin assembly is locked in the rearward position and under constant spring tension after the slide is racked. When racked, there is only 0.075” of trigger travel required to disengage the one and only firing pin safety before the firing pin drops and a round is sent downrange. So, the dingus would help, but is merely a bandaid on an objective bad design for professional use. That being said, this design is simultaneously why people really like the trigger feel, and also why it isn’t a viable duty gun, but does make for a great competition gun.
@@markmiela3937are we talking about the same thing? My understanding of the “dingus” is that it’s the extra tab on the on the trigger; technically referred to as the “trigger safety”. Using Glock’s trigger safety as an example: when the trigger safety is engaged you can very clearly see that it’s is designed to contact the frame, preventing the trigger from being pulled. When the trigger safety is defeated, it moves in such a way to clear the cut out in the frame allowing the trigger to travel completely. Am I completely missing something here?
There is a reason the military required SIG to add an external safety to the P320... they recognized the potential of negligent discharges, due to lack of external safeties. IMHO, any dept that issues a P320 without a safety is culpable in any negligent discharges of those pistols. The M18 or M17, again IMHO, are awesome duty weapons. My personal choice is S&W M&P 2.0. I have found it to be more reliable and for me a better shooter.
Funny story. My mom went to the police academy at 42 and just retired and I’ve seen a 55 year old graduate from Nevada POST so no. 40 is not too young! As long as you can meet the mental and physical demands, I don’t think age is a prohibition.
Yes…. Too old. It’s a young person’s job starting out. You’re not gonna be chasing 17 year olds with guns at age 40 and expect to be able to keep up. Also, “wondering” if you should be a cop is your answer right there. Those that wanted to be a cop, did so at age 21-25. They had a drive, passion and desire to COMMIT to the profession at a young age. In other words, they didn’t hymn and haw about becoming a cop or not for the past 19 years like you did. I sorry, but that’s just the facts. Being a cop is a mindset at a young age, not an afterthought when no other career or line of work, worked out.
Maybe you should learn how the gun works and see there is no way the gun can fire without the trigger being depressed. It has NEVER been replicated in a lab, attempted via multiple parties. Instead, you push a Bloomberg lawyer anti gun narrative because you’re most likely a fanboy of a different manufacturer that has been legally attacked by the same people. Well, that or you’re a m o r o n anti gunner!
What do you think about a Guntuber named Gunghis who's post upgraded X5 P320 went off in his holster during a live steel match in front of many witnesses who all agreed that he did not touch the trigger, even the Range Officer signed a statement that said his P320 went off while his hands were up in the ready position. And even SIG SAUER themselves inspected his P320 and cleared Gunghis of any wrong doing and said it was NOT USER ERROR!. Sig offered to fix his P320 free of charge but he decided not to use that pistol again. I know plenty of officers that do not trust the P320 and prefer the P226. Also there's a reason the P365 does not have any accidental discharges even among officers yet the P320 does, I'm wondering if you know why, it's quite clear to me.
Yes one thing I didn’t touch on is quality control at Sig. I agree about the P226, 220 and 229 being superior in safety and reliability. I saw his video as well and was very interested in it. I believe him 100%. I also believe they attributed the problem to a firing pin return spring? I don’t know about that. But I do know of some cases where guns shipped to departments and were missing a critical spring in the striker assembly that could result in catastrophe. Anyway I think in his case it’s quality control. My opinion anyway.
@@40calnevadausa47 - The most detail P320 breakdown video is by "SIG MECHANICS" and I noticed a disturbing design in the P320 safety. The striker housing has a lever and spring that if compromised or poorly made will result in the striker being released by the slightest touch (like in the Montville PD video), if this happens none of the other "safeties" in the FCU, slide safeties or trigger bar will prevent the striker from striking the primer because in the video he shows the striker assembly can be cocked and locked and released without the use of the FCU and upper slide, which no other striker pistol does. This key striker metal housing assembly is what separates the P365 which doesn't use the same housing but more of a traditional (Glock type) striker housing and 100% of the reason why there's zero accidental discharges with the P365 even in the hands/holsters of cops. No one ever wonders why the most carried pistol in the U.S. (the P365) also used by cops (especially in Commie-fornia) which is also carried in lady bags, men's gym bags, in pant pockets, has higher beginner skill level users, and uncomfortable to hold due to it's micro size, has ZERO accidental discharges. The P320 has design flaws, the P365 doesn't. Even with a safety trigger blade the P320 will still have the same accidental discharges because the problem isn't the trigger, it's that stupid over complicated metal striker housing assembly, why didn't the P320 just use the P365 simpler striker housing, just make the parts bigger to fit a P320.
@@markmiela3937 - I'm no more on Glock's payroll than you are on Sig's payroll. Besides, the last time I was on the Glock forum I got kicked out for criticizing Glock's lack of features and non fully supported bigger caliber chambering. But let's just ignore the documented facts of a post upgraded X5 P320 going off accidentally in front of many witnesses and talk about some "Glock-dude's" motive, lol!
Did you see he where Sig won a summary judgement the other day. The plaintiff couldn’t prove the pistol was defective. In fact I haven’t seen Sig lose yet.
When I first heard the P3 20 will go off on its own and is dangerous it scared me so bad I immediately went out and bought two more.
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Best advice I ever heard from someone was stay away from “ nra firearm instructors”.
I find it funny people trust the less trained people to save their lives. Instead of getting trained there self and having the ability to save there own but.
I work at a gun store for 5 years the scariest and worst handling of firearms were by cops
Damn😂
As a 30 year veteran LEO, I can sadly agree that too many cops are deficient in the tools of the trade. That said, admin and politicians have been de-emphasizing and defunding lethal force training for decades. They DO NOT want cops to shoot anyone because they fear lawsuits and political fallout.
You left out the second worst. Democrats. 😅
I was a Cop for years & I was just as scared of getting shot by my fellow Officers as I was by the bad guys ...
@@USCtrojanFootball1news flash, lots of us Democrats are gun owners who actually practice..we just don't run around desperately trying to look like Tommy Tactical, so you probably never notice us...
Ive got 2 early models that have yet to discharge on their own
Excellent vid! Your demo has been my personal theory on this topic all along however you are the first person to actually post up the examples with the proper picture angles and finger insertion to show the reality of compromise with a light bearing holster to trigger guard protection on striker fired pistols. I have watched a few vids on YT from "engineers" illustrating the mechanical aspect of trigger functionality and it provided me the same confidence the weapon is not going to magically "fire" uncommanded. Thanks for posting this up.
you know it's ok to take a gun apart and put together on youtube now right? you can remove the slide on youtube, the only thing that is prohibit, is videos instructing users how to remove the safety devices from firearms.
It will also restrict videos showing automatic or homemade firearms for users under 18,
other than that you can show taking a gun apart, i have videos on how you clean your handgun and show how to remove things and take slides off and all that and i show it on the video..
There is no rule anymore that prohibits you from taking the slide off the gun and other parts as well, except removing safety devices ..
Awesome commentary at the beginning! I feel the pain of passing people who struggle to qual year after year. It's embarrassing and scary to be working alongside some of these people after watching them shoot. We have tried to up our standards a bit but people balk of course and change happens very slowly. To hit on another point, I thought I was a decent shooter and instructor till I started paying attention to training stuff from the competition greats. Made me realize how much I really don't know, but the learning journey continues always, and I'm trying to find ways to incorporate those lessons into a (sadly) dumbed down version for mostly casual LE shooters.
Thank you. I worried that I spent too much time on that subject but I really wanted to convey how the poor training was related to the issue. One of the biggest problems associated with the training programs we are used to is that there is a lot of tradition and antiquated practices that need to go away. Nobody wants to change the way we’ve always done it. Sad.
I don’t mess with the 320s for many reasons I run the 365 proven to not have drop safe issues or going off in holster. Little different design of FCU n I love the 226-229 series
Hey, I appreciate this video a lot. I was in law enforcement after active duty only for 4 years. I dont have as much time in law enforcement as you do and others. From the time I was in, I couldn't articulate the oddness i found where id meet a squared away deputy who was proficient in their firearms, empty hand, verbal skills, investigation practices. When i did I tried to follow what they did, so i spent a lot of time investing in BJJ, working with my firearms, talking to people as people. But what you said literally drove me away there were almost felt like too many that did not do that.
We carried Glock 17s and i just purchased my first sig (p365 X Macro Tacops). I was a little worried with that 320's history, but i really like the feel of sig. I instantly when dry firing noticed the difference in those 2 triggers all my firearms are stock minus a streamlight or i just got a holosun eps carry. But i agree the sig trigger is great its awesome but i do think it requires even more discipline then say a glock.
Also wonder about the safariland holsters with lightbearing if part of the problem is just they make them a 1 size fits all guns? We had those safariland holsters and that thing was like a bucket.
Great video, I have looked at both of my 320s and they don't have any issue with the disconnector ... I can pull the slide all the way back and dead trigger. All factory
We need more police trainers/admins like yourself. I've always wanted to become a cop growing up, but then once i got there... well i could help my community better elsewhere. I was a cadet for the swat team in baltimore city and those guys are amazing. I enjoyed every second training with those guys, but when it came time to training the regular patrol officers.. man did no one want to train. I could not believe the majority of these cops were even allowed guns, they failed most drills we ran through but were just recycled right back in. They are struggling for cops so bad that they are just pushing people through and its really terrible.
I know it was mentioned in the video but I was just curious what brand was that duty holster on your belt?
Blackhawk L3D. They are also made in the USA 🇺🇸
Not a cop but love the blackhawk holster, built like a tank
If it's possible to discharge a weapon in a duty holster you better believe more of these negligent discharges are coming because we're all human and make mistakes especially in high stress situations.
I totally agree. I have shot with all sources of people and the police departments are not being trained enough and self integrity of training is not maintained you will have mishandling of any weapon and I have seen it.
Will the x300 work in a vulcarie 2 holster?
You are 100% telling the truth. I put more rounds down range in a month than the local pd where i grew up does in a year. Only a few there actually train regularly.
I don't like cops but I respect the ones that support the 2a and make other cops be better at there job
Me personally I’ve been in law enforcement for only 3 years. But I’m coming from 14 years in the military ( 2nd bct 10th mountain division) let me tell you I feel the reason p320s having issues in law enforcement is it has no trigger safety. The lack of training I’ve seen not just in my agency but multiple training agency at least in my area is they don’t train enough so in a high stress situation or even a medium stress situation drawling then re-holstering without that extra step of safety can really make a difference. Most law enforcement require the bare minimum for qualification with their firearm and most officers give the bare minimum when it comes to training.
Excellent review and analysis. I’m not a fan of the P320, I think the quality control has had some issues. When they first came out I saw them on my national guard deployment, and they had trouble feeding the ammo for their qual. When I got back home to my state trooper job I heard agencies were telling guys to keep the slide back for 2 weeks when off duty to get the spring broken in. My first qual with it, I was helping coach on the range, not a one could make it through a qual without some malfunction. However I never saw an M17 have a problem after that. So I think they had quality control issues, at least at the beginning. I agree the adding trigger safeties would be the best solution for most of the NDs being reported. As far as Safariland goes they had a couple of decades being the cock of the walk and didn’t spend that time refining and fixing flaws. I’ve had too many for training that had rocks and gravel still in them; I stopped using them in 2020.
@13:42 that's the important part most folks ignore.
If Sig fixed it why is there still videos of post upgraded P320 going off in holsters just last year? And look up RUclipsr Gunghis about his post upgrade X5 P320 going off in his holster during a steel match in front of many witnesses and Sig Sauer themselves inspected his P320 and said it was NOT USER ERROR. ...fanboys seem to ignore that little detail.
Excellent video. I respect your point of view and appreciate the message that you have put out there. In my opinion i don't think enough emphasis is being put out there about the issues that glock experienced during their initial issuing to law enforcement. Would glock have experienced their success without their law enforcement contracts? More than likely not. Glock was in a situation where if they wanted sustained success in that market they were going to have to make changes from their original design. There is nothing wrong with that, nothing is perfect. They bent to the needs of the consumer. That's just smart business. Should there be more emphasis on training for law enforcement officers? Absolutely. But the gun manufactures cannot not count on that. They have to protect the integrity of their product. So what I'm driving at is if sig sauer wants similar success in the leo market perhaps they can take a page out of what glock had to do and make the 320 more safe for those that for whatever reason refuse to become more proficient with their duty weapon. It's sad that this is the case but it is what it is. This lack of proficiency has given the platform a bad reputation. The internet wasn't around in those days so getting the message out to the public that glocks were unsafe was allot harder to accomplish. We live in the information age now so the false narrative that the 320 is unsafe has spread like wild fire. These are questions that I'm sure sig sauer is pondering. How important are these law enforcement contracts to the company? There are millions of dollars at stake so i think it would be smart for sig to make changes to meet the safety demands of this particular market.
Excellent video with great points. I've always thought that the P320 discharge issue was improper handling.
How is the blackhawk holster with the Glock 17 and the TLR1? I have the same one and the glock is so loose that I can pull the gun so far down that it completely bypasses the hood. I'm wondering if I just got a lemon or if that's how they all are.
Mine have a little back and forth play but not nearly enough to bypass the hood. The P320 Holster is tighter than the Glock one I have. Interesting…Another option I recently picked up but haven’t had a lot of testing with is the Comptac CT 3. No play in that one. That’s a Glock 17 holster with TLR1.
@@40calnevadausa47 Thanks for getting back to me. I might just have one thats a little out of spec. I'll call blackhawk later this week.
I actually have the comp tac. It is a lot tighter than the blachawk, but I don't like the release button as much.
Great video brother, quick question. What Holster you recommend for the p320
Xcompact 3.6 with a optic for conceal carry IWB and OWB ❓
CCW holsters are user preference. I would recommend finding a high quality one that you feel comfortable with and fits your preference as far as carry style. I like crossbreed holsters for iwb and LAG tactical, or Raven concealment for owb for my 320s . Just make sure whatever you go with covers that trigger well.
Excellent video. Took one course with Mas Ayoob years ago. I'm not law enforcement but I value proficiency. Maybe it's time for IDPA.
No offense, but most law enforcement officers are horrible with guns. They could use a lot more training. It makes no sense that CCWs have more gun knowledge.
Its all training. When Glocks first came out in the 90's to replace revolvers there where multiple "accidental discharges" with the guns "going off on their own". (in Philly alone we had 20 in less then 6 months). Problem was there was zero training for handling the firearm and the revolver draw with a heavy trigger was ingrained in the officers vs the Glocks. (guess everyone commenting below was to young to remember all the bad press, thank god Glocks didnt have to deal with the internet, instead Glock just paid to have their bad press removed from newspapers and television reports, now a days it would have been a witch hunt for sure).
True, but everyone forgets that there was a change in technology going from a revolver to a semi auto. But going from Glock to Sig? What changed? Semi auto vs semi auto, no difference in tech. Only thing that changed was the gun.
@@patrickcarcamo622 the lack of the trigger safety is the big difference, ive seen people pull glocks out of their holster with the finger riding the side of the trigger (not in the trigger itself but the side edge). And the Sig does not have that to prevent an actual pull like the Glock trigger safety does. (if Sig implemented this like every other manufacturer you wouldnt have this issue). Again its training, the military does not have discharge issues as giant majority going in is pretty much learning to shoot their first handgun ever on the Sig, and because of that learn the do's and dont's vs the police departments that have always used Glocks, but made the switch to Sigs to officers who have always had a specific way they would ride the trigger while drawing from their holsters. (another issue is the holsters types, some holsters have more snag issues, which again, the trigger safety on the glock prevents). If people are worried about this there are plenty of aftermarket kits available from just installing a standard thumb safety like the m17/m18 have to a trigger safety like Agency Arms has for example. Or just learn proper holster discipline. (never heard of competition shooter having a accidental discharge with a P320 because they practice holstering techniques over and over again.
Hearing this report about the poor training for cops it seems reasonable that they would be issued service pistols with an external safety just as the military does.
Too my mind any striker fire gun should have a safety as the fireing pin is under constant preasure when a round is in the chamber.
On the judicial side should you have an "ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE" you can be charged with Reckless Endangerment!!
Great video appreciate your honesty
New sub! Yeah i'm embarrassed with some of my partners that don't take shooting seriously. Love my Glocks and that's what I carry so that's what I train with. My gun collection is simple and I like it that way. I've owned STI's and Staccato's and realized I shoot my Glocks just as good, so I sold them and now I only shoot Glock. But training and effort makes you a good shooter. Not the gun.
My 2 cents, even though I have very limited experience with the 320 and have only dry fired it, is that Sig made a gun that is mechanically safe.
However, I think they made a trigger that is trying to be too light with too little take up without enough backup safeties.
Meaning that sure you could throw it on the ground and it won't go off, but IF something DOES get into the trigger guard there isn't enough resistance to stop anything. It's a lot like carrying a cocked 1911 and only using the grip safety.
"You can throw it on the ground and it wont go off" bro has the memory of a lemming
@@turkish8969 That's doesn't even make sense?
They had drop safe issues and did a recall and addressed the issue. Any of the gun going off issues I've seen haven't been because of dropping, but going off in holsters or bags.
October 2019 I was yearly requalify duty pistol. I holster my p320 carry model to run to next area and it went off. It ended up shooting me. I don’t feel safe with 320 ever again.
Given your level of literacy, its difficult to find you credible on any subject
“DONNIE-Have you finished cleaning up your room?! …and you’d better not be on that computer-you’re still grounded!”
The amount of opinions regarding p320’s from absolute morons is mind numbing.
Whole lot of opinions from people that have no basic mechanical understanding.
Being a “cop” doesn’t make you an expert on firearms.
Great video.
You’re not lying about how proficient a lot of police officers are not when it comes down to their training and handling of a firearm. I’ve myself have first hand witnessed egotistical officers at the range who can’t accurately hit a target at 7 yards. You try to give them small pointers and they completely ignore your help. I legit blame the lack proficiency on the badge. That badge give them a since of pride that they feel super human and feel like because of that badge that they can get into a gunfight at any time and take on a threat (s). It’s a sad reality because majority of officers are not getting into a gunfight so a trained person. God forbid if that day ever comes they will like you said, get destroyed by that trained individual l
Attitude and ego do play a role. Mindset plays a role. It’s not all of us but there are some out there with misplaced confidence.
For me, I just don't like how it looks. Polymer sigs looks like a downgrade from the beautifully crafter p220 series (p228 is my favorite). Same as the striker fired beretta, it is ugly as hell.
Why wouldnt they bring back the dingis that what they need to fix the idea of what has happened.
I think Sig wanted to stand apart from other striker fired designs and eliminate the dingus partly because a lot of reviewers negative comments about the Glock dingus. That and the triggers that they had on hand were already made for the P250 so probably to save money.
Even if they brought back the dingus/trigger safety, that would not change the fact that the firing pin assembly is locked in the rearward position and under constant spring tension after the slide is racked. When racked, there is only 0.075” of trigger travel required to disengage the one and only firing pin safety before the firing pin drops and a round is sent downrange. So, the dingus would help, but is merely a bandaid on an objective bad design for professional use. That being said, this design is simultaneously why people really like the trigger feel, and also why it isn’t a viable duty gun, but does make for a great competition gun.
The dingus is a drop safety mechanism not something that prevents the trigger being pulled.
@@markmiela3937are we talking about the same thing? My understanding of the “dingus” is that it’s the extra tab on the on the trigger; technically referred to as the “trigger safety”. Using Glock’s trigger safety as an example: when the trigger safety is engaged you can very clearly see that it’s is designed to contact the frame, preventing the trigger from being pulled. When the trigger safety is defeated, it moves in such a way to clear the cut out in the frame allowing the trigger to travel completely. Am I completely missing something here?
I actually like that it doesn’t have a dingus
There is a reason the military required SIG to add an external safety to the P320... they recognized the potential of negligent discharges, due to lack of external safeties.
IMHO, any dept that issues a P320 without a safety is culpable in any negligent discharges of those pistols.
The M18 or M17, again IMHO, are awesome duty weapons.
My personal choice is S&W M&P 2.0. I have found it to be more reliable and for me a better shooter.
The reason for the safety is because it was a requirement in the government’s modular handgun system competition
@@natedog380 it was a requirement because the firearms are UNSAFE without it...
@@johnlacasse8893 it was a requirement for ALL guns entered into the competition lol
@@natedog380 because they are unsafe without external safeties...
@@johnlacasse8893 yes I get that, but in your original comment you were saying that they only told Sig to add it to their entry
Is 40 to old to work twards working as a cop ?
Funny story. My mom went to the police academy at 42 and just retired and I’ve seen a 55 year old graduate from Nevada POST so no. 40 is not too young! As long as you can meet the mental and physical demands, I don’t think age is a prohibition.
@@40calnevadausa47 thank you .
Yes…. Too old. It’s a young person’s job starting out. You’re not gonna be chasing 17 year olds with guns at age 40 and expect to be able to keep up. Also, “wondering” if you should be a cop is your answer right there. Those that wanted to be a cop, did so at age 21-25. They had a drive, passion and desire to COMMIT to the profession at a young age. In other words, they didn’t hymn and haw about becoming a cop or not for the past 19 years like you did. I sorry, but that’s just the facts. Being a cop is a mindset at a young age, not an afterthought when no other career or line of work, worked out.
Is this nonsense being spoken at churches for real?
12mins before actually talking about the gun. Just get straight to the point. Thanks
I would never get a 320 no way and no how there is something wrong with them and sig has a lot to explain.
Maybe you should learn how the gun works and see there is no way the gun can fire without the trigger being depressed.
It has NEVER been replicated in a lab, attempted via multiple parties.
Instead, you push a Bloomberg lawyer anti gun narrative because you’re most likely a fanboy of a different manufacturer that has been legally attacked by the same people. Well, that or you’re a m o r o n anti gunner!
Bullshit
Got Sig P320 ?
Hell No !!!
Another Glock fanboy heard from.....😂
Easily manipulated by Bloomberg anti gun lawyers! The P320 is a fantastic platform!
You don’t have a normal holster, junk only
What do you think about a Guntuber named Gunghis who's post upgraded X5 P320 went off in his holster during a live steel match in front of many witnesses who all agreed that he did not touch the trigger, even the Range Officer signed a statement that said his P320 went off while his hands were up in the ready position. And even SIG SAUER themselves inspected his P320 and cleared Gunghis of any wrong doing and said it was NOT USER ERROR!. Sig offered to fix his P320 free of charge but he decided not to use that pistol again. I know plenty of officers that do not trust the P320 and prefer the P226. Also there's a reason the P365 does not have any accidental discharges even among officers yet the P320 does, I'm wondering if you know why, it's quite clear to me.
Yes one thing I didn’t touch on is quality control at Sig. I agree about the P226, 220 and 229 being superior in safety and reliability. I saw his video as well and was very interested in it. I believe him 100%. I also believe they attributed the problem to a firing pin return spring? I don’t know about that. But I do know of some cases where guns shipped to departments and were missing a critical spring in the striker assembly that could result in catastrophe. Anyway I think in his case it’s quality control. My opinion anyway.
@@40calnevadausa47 - The most detail P320 breakdown video is by "SIG MECHANICS" and I noticed a disturbing design in the P320 safety. The striker housing has a lever and spring that if compromised or poorly made will result in the striker being released by the slightest touch (like in the Montville PD video), if this happens none of the other "safeties" in the FCU, slide safeties or trigger bar will prevent the striker from striking the primer because in the video he shows the striker assembly can be cocked and locked and released without the use of the FCU and upper slide, which no other striker pistol does. This key striker metal housing assembly is what separates the P365 which doesn't use the same housing but more of a traditional (Glock type) striker housing and 100% of the reason why there's zero accidental discharges with the P365 even in the hands/holsters of cops. No one ever wonders why the most carried pistol in the U.S. (the P365) also used by cops (especially in Commie-fornia) which is also carried in lady bags, men's gym bags, in pant pockets, has higher beginner skill level users, and uncomfortable to hold due to it's micro size, has ZERO accidental discharges. The P320 has design flaws, the P365 doesn't. Even with a safety trigger blade the P320 will still have the same accidental discharges because the problem isn't the trigger, it's that stupid over complicated metal striker housing assembly, why didn't the P320 just use the P365 simpler striker housing, just make the parts bigger to fit a P320.
Someone is on Glocks payroll. ^^
@@markmiela3937 - I'm no more on Glock's payroll than you are on Sig's payroll. Besides, the last time I was on the Glock forum I got kicked out for criticizing Glock's lack of features and non fully supported bigger caliber chambering. But let's just ignore the documented facts of a post upgraded X5 P320 going off accidentally in front of many witnesses and talk about some "Glock-dude's" motive, lol!
Did you see he where Sig won a summary judgement the other day. The plaintiff couldn’t prove the pistol was defective. In fact I haven’t seen Sig lose yet.