I have the Bullman ring of steps and they work very well w/ the ratchet mechanism. These look very loose to me, not sure if I would trust them to stay in place. The last thing you need is one sliding down the tree when your ready to descend.
Initially i thought they would be kind of loose the way they hang on the daisy chain but they are not. I never thought id find something to replace bolts but these weigh less and are way faster. This setup is awesome. Great product
I just received a set of 6 of these and just finished making the daisy chains for them. When I climb the top of the step pulls away from the tree and becomes very unstable. I have talked to a couple guys before and they mentioned to make sure I practice using these several times before hunting but I wanted to ask for tips on making sure the step doesn’t flip out. I tried getting them tight and tried to make sure I stepped straight down. Thanks! -love the steps and how light they are, I am looking forward to getting comfortable with them!
Hey Logan , before you step on the step, pull down to take all the slack out of it. Once you step on it make sure you are seeing all the way to the back of the step as stepping closer to the end will surly cause that. If there is still a hit of hinging, which is what your talking about, somewhat push down and in an almost hopping moement, (but not hopping) to seat the step further. I'll try and do a video showing it soon ! The key is to get the bottom of the step to slide down all the way instead of catching and " hinging".
Honestly this looks really cool. I’d love to see a single step wider/knee hook implemented with these to double the height while cutting the number of steps needed down. Also it looks really stable. I know some people mention fear of lockout but that mostly seems to happen when a longer stick/platform rotates around the point where the stick/platform meet the rope. This would seem to be very unlikely to do that and if it did rotate, it wouldn’t be moving much. Not that accidents can’t happen but I see this as safer than using a moderately loose daisy chain on standard sticks.
I like this. Very simple and it might be as fast as using my sticks just less weight. I don't know exactly but I think might just order the 16, it won't hurt to have extra, and test it out. Thank you for the video.
We also have the material for you to DIY these daisies but do not currently have the daisies for sale. You could check back in the summer, and we may have them then. Thanks for the interest!
Man I was just curious when I saw the video and I am honestly very impressed it’s like fast screw in steps. Could you use just regular amsteal rope for the diy version?
I went you the website in the description, all I saw there was a DIY project. Do you have a completed setup (the 12 steps put together in the gear bag as shown) or is this strictly a DIY project with you supplying the parts to put it together? Thanks
Hey , thanks for the interest. Currently we only have the DIY option. We will be working very shortly to at least offer a partner who can build them for you. There is alot of labor involved at nearly 45 min per daisy when you have the openings at 1.5 inches. Taking the time over the winter however would be a great way to save money as they are close ton20$ each ! Follow us on Facebook or insta to stay in the loop. Thanks again and good luck !
I’m not a climber and am just starting out hunting training this season in preparation for next. However, would it possibly be more secure if there was some sort of additional crescent moon shaped two or three rows horizontally of medium to small spikes possibly 3-4 inches long and maybe 2-3inches in width which would act as a counter biting apparatus?
Anything we added to the back of the step caused it to want to hinge. We did initially have things to bite into the tree somewhat but eventually went with it being smooth.
No sir but we do have a new aluminum step in the works. Probably not until next year tbh. There were no issues with them. Just sold out of stock and looking to upgrade the next run. Good Luck to you!
Would a 3/4" piece of webbing slide through the opening for the Amstel? I'm thinking about using these for a small ting of steps with my one stick set up.
Hey i love the ring of steps i got from you a few weeks ago ! Will these Pioneer steps work with Eastern Woods sewn OCB buckles as far as fitting thru the slots ? I am looking to climb up with those and rappel down. let me know asap, thanks !
Well , you will have to wear a head lamp , but that is the same with any other climbing mobile method. And it is probably lees movement than alot of the other methods on the market. Yiu just have to slow down a bit and be super careful of noise. The same as any other method really. Good luck this year !
@@BullmanOutdoors I do not have them yet but I am definitly interested. I was thinking of a possible mod for my current steps. I like to have as many options as I can get as far as climbing methods.
@@BullmanOutdoors I like the stealth strip material & it doesn't peel off. It takes alot of scrubbing with odorless mineral spirits to get it off. I found that out when I put it on my favorite carabiner & had to remove it cuz I couldn't get a pre-sewn factory loop to slide on over it. Good stuff & really makes something very quiet.
They do not need to be tight initially. You pull down on the step to take the slack out before you step down on them. You need to step straight down in them. It is the same principle as any other strap on step however. There is a small learning curve with stepping on them .
@@woodedbliss4081 We have found it is best to have the openings of the loops of the daisies to be as small as possible. 1 and 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 will minimize the amount the step will slip down.
I’m curious, when I’ve tried climbing with this method, the top portion of my step pulls away from the tree. I can’t tell based on the video if yours is doing the same or not? Could you please tell me one way or the other?
7:50-752ish, the top of the step doesn’t appear to be pulling away. I’m guessing it is for a few reasons: 1) There’s a knot on one side of the step, 2) He shimmies the rope around a few times earlier in the video to make it tighter, 3) He pulls on the step to get it to bite/set where he wants, if it comes to far down he moves it higher then repeats everything. Finally, could it be different cordage being used, which has more resiliency in it vs stiffness?
Apologies on a slow reply. You have to be certain you pull down on the step to take all the slack out of the daisy, and then step all the way against the back of the step as stepping closer to the end will make it hinge more easily. If it still hinges slightly, you can very slightly hop somewhat to seat the step further down. I will do another video soon on this. Thanks for your support and good luck!
I like it. Until I saw the price point. Double that of big box climbing sticks. Not saying people won’t buy. Price over benefits for me at this point. Great video
Many thanks ! It is the labor in the attachments that drives the cost. Each of the daisy chains take roughly 45 min to make ! That is nearly 7.5 hours of labor for just 10 of the daisies ! We do offer just the material and a video so you can make your own. Good luck this season !
Sorry about that. We discontinued that step as we work on a new aluminum design. Continous improvement is our Motto. We do have a couple new steps available for 2022 though! I updated the link I the description. Thanks for watching! Go ahead and subscribe and you'll see any new products and such as soon as they hit ! Thanks again!
Any step or stick loaded improperly will move. These have been tested to ASTM/ATM standards and are extremely strong and work amazing when used properly !
I used the Silent Approach Steps for several cold, late season, hunts here in Nor Minnesota. I watched the instructional videos, practiced in my back yard, and felt very safe and confident hunting at the 15 foot height I climbed too.
Thanks ! It is a great deal for sure !.. It is alot of money yes , ( as I believe you may be looking from this perspective) but if you tried to piece together what we are offering anywhere else you would easily pay double or more ... The daisy's themselves are typically 14-15$ !
@@BullmanOutdoors especially considering if you buy decent climbing sticks they're typically 300.00 for only 3 sticks, then an extra 15.00 for the amsteel daisies
You can buy tethrd one sticks for that price. Same weight only attach 3 items to the tree, same height. Believe me I'm not knocking Bullman at all their ROS got me in the Saddle game this is just me stating facts.
@1stcivdiv81 Sounds good ! I am about 6'1 ... you can stretch a little if you are wanting to get a little more height as opposed to sticks where your height is fixed. But the weight and packability is amazing no doubt !
Nope . We call them The Pioneer . They are similar to the squirrle step , which was modeled after the old API sky hooks ... but about 1/3 of the price !
I'm not sure about all that Why is everyone trying to avoid a good climbing stand ? I just don't get it Everyone using this sort of thing are climbing telephone pole trees. I'm sorry this might have a use but not for me .
Appreciate your input. It is as safe as any other mobile method. Safety , tbh lies in the user's hands. We use high quality materials that have been tested to ASTM/TMA standards for climbing sticks/steps. I trust them with my life as well as friends and families. Good luck to you as well !
I like it. Seems pretty simple and totally minimal in weight for the mobile hunters. Thanks for sharing
Thank you.
I made these 30 yrs ago. Nice
Awesome! Lighter, simpler, faster, and quiet.
Thanks !
That’s pretty smooth and fast. Great video.
Thanks !
Bro making that look so easy and quick Tarzan would be proud!
I have the Bullman ring of steps and they work very well w/ the ratchet mechanism. These look very loose to me, not sure if I would trust them to stay in place. The last thing you need is one sliding down the tree when your ready to descend.
Initially i thought they would be kind of loose the way they hang on the daisy chain but they are not. I never thought id find something to replace bolts but these weigh less and are way faster. This setup is awesome. Great product
Thank you Sir !
I just received a set of 6 of these and just finished making the daisy chains for them. When I climb the top of the step pulls away from the tree and becomes very unstable. I have talked to a couple guys before and they mentioned to make sure I practice using these several times before hunting but I wanted to ask for tips on making sure the step doesn’t flip out. I tried getting them tight and tried to make sure I stepped straight down. Thanks!
-love the steps and how light they are, I am looking forward to getting comfortable with them!
Hey Logan , before you step on the step, pull down to take all the slack out of it. Once you step on it make sure you are seeing all the way to the back of the step as stepping closer to the end will surly cause that. If there is still a hit of hinging, which is what your talking about, somewhat push down and in an almost hopping moement, (but not hopping) to seat the step further. I'll try and do a video showing it soon ! The key is to get the bottom of the step to slide down all the way instead of catching and " hinging".
Honestly this looks really cool. I’d love to see a single step wider/knee hook implemented with these to double the height while cutting the number of steps needed down. Also it looks really stable. I know some people mention fear of lockout but that mostly seems to happen when a longer stick/platform rotates around the point where the stick/platform meet the rope. This would seem to be very unlikely to do that and if it did rotate, it wouldn’t be moving much. Not that accidents can’t happen but I see this as safer than using a moderately loose daisy chain on standard sticks.
You can do that . I personally am not a fan of Aiders however.
And you are correct on the kickout... its mainly on sticks and always when side pressure is applied... side pressure is no good anytime !
Those old step are so dangerous 😳 no way
I like this. Very simple and it might be as fast as using my sticks just less weight. I don't know exactly but I think might just order the 16, it won't hurt to have extra, and test it out. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for the input ! Its my go to this year ! I can be up a tree in about 5 min or so !
I like it your climbing stuffs where can I order a set to try👍
Www.bullmanoutdoors.com
Just ordered 10... I'll b using them w Tethrd Phantom and Predator Platform...
Soumds great! Thanks ! Let us know how it goes !
Looked at your site but didn’t see the steps with the rope for sale, only steps with straps,
We also have the material for you to DIY these daisies but do not currently have the daisies for sale. You could check back in the summer, and we may have them then. Thanks for the interest!
How many feet up with the 12 pack? I'm ony 5'7 but also saddle hunt so my platform would be like another step.
How do they handle a small tree?
Very cool. Would love to try that out.
Thanks ! You should , it is the ticket for the least weight and bulk !
I wish I had seen this earlier in time as it seems these are now discontinued. Any idea why?
The new steps work much better tbh!
Man I was just curious when I saw the video and I am honestly very impressed it’s like fast screw in steps. Could you use just regular amsteal rope for the diy version?
I would be you could come up with something, but I am not certain what it would be at the moment ...
I went you the website in the description, all I saw there was a DIY project.
Do you have a completed setup (the 12 steps put together in the gear bag as shown) or is this strictly a DIY project with you supplying the parts to put it together? Thanks
Hey , thanks for the interest.
Currently we only have the DIY option. We will be working very shortly to at least offer a partner who can build them for you. There is alot of labor involved at nearly 45 min per daisy when you have the openings at 1.5 inches. Taking the time over the winter however would be a great way to save money as they are close ton20$ each ! Follow us on Facebook or insta to stay in the loop. Thanks again and good luck !
I’m not a climber and am just starting out hunting training this season in preparation for next. However, would it possibly be more secure if there was some sort of additional crescent moon shaped two or three rows horizontally of medium to small spikes possibly 3-4 inches long and maybe 2-3inches in width which would act as a counter biting apparatus?
Anything we added to the back of the step caused it to want to hinge. We did initially have things to bite into the tree somewhat but eventually went with it being smooth.
No chance of getting these now that they are discontinued? Why were they discontinued? Was it a safety deal?
No sir but we do have a new aluminum step in the works. Probably not until next year tbh. There were no issues with them. Just sold out of stock and looking to upgrade the next run. Good Luck to you!
Would a 3/4" piece of webbing slide through the opening for the Amstel? I'm thinking about using these for a small ting of steps with my one stick set up.
It sure would ! We sell alot of steps to go along the side of a platform. We also have an entire ROS with a ratchet on the website.
Hey i love the ring of steps i got from you a few weeks ago ! Will these Pioneer steps work with Eastern Woods sewn OCB buckles as far as fitting thru the slots ? I am looking to climb up with those and rappel down. let me know asap, thanks !
nevermind, just saw in your other video it takes a 1 inch strap, placing my order, thank you for your outstanding products !!!
Many thanks.
How long before you have the complete minimal package available?
We are working on a new version now! I know its late... but better late than never! Keep an eye out they are gonna be awesome!
Not bad for light weight. I just wonder what would be like to be in the dark and doing all that movement when hunt close to the bedding areas.
Well , you will have to wear a head lamp , but that is the same with any other climbing mobile method. And it is probably lees movement than alot of the other methods on the market. Yiu just have to slow down a bit and be super careful of noise. The same as any other method really. Good luck this year !
Do you think this is a lighter setup than using DRT method with saddle?
I am not certain on the weight of DRT but I would be it is !
Another way to climb. Seems to take to much time for my personal interests. Cool option for sure.
Do you offer daisy chains and clips seperate? Thanks
Not currently . We are working currently with suppliers to beef up production. Do you have the pioneer steps now ?
@@BullmanOutdoors I do not have them yet but I am definitly interested. I was thinking of a possible mod for my current steps. I like to have as many options as I can get as far as climbing methods.
Maybe if they had a little bite to the sides would be great
What sort of bite are you referring to ?
@@BullmanOutdoors maybe putting a few small teeth on the back to bite into the tree some
Great product, how high can you go on average with 12 steps ?
Thanks ! There about the same as other steps ... depends on your stride and spacing ... but generally close to 20' with 12
Ring of steps with same method?
There would be a lot of movement with side pressure that occurs on the platform.
I like that they r t-6061 machined aluminum. Would u recommend a camo mesh or stealth strips to make them quiet as well less visible?
Thanks. We offer a camo wrap that is like surgical wrap. It doesn't last forever but it isn't expensive either. But I definaty use the camo wrap.
@@BullmanOutdoors I like the stealth strip material & it doesn't peel off. It takes alot of scrubbing with odorless mineral spirits to get it off. I found that out when I put it on my favorite carabiner & had to remove it cuz I couldn't get a pre-sewn factory loop to slide on over it. Good stuff & really makes something very quiet.
Yes get the camo mesh so the deer don't see you while your covered in Orange and your white as snow arrows.
Am I not understanding something here? They look like they are loose and could easily slide side to side or slip down. What am I missing?
They do not need to be tight initially. You pull down on the step to take the slack out before you step down on them. You need to step straight down in them. It is the same principle as any other strap on step however. There is a small learning curve with stepping on them .
@@woodedbliss4081 We have found it is best to have the openings of the loops of the daisies to be as small as possible. 1 and 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 will minimize the amount the step will slip down.
I’m curious, when I’ve tried climbing with this method, the top portion of my step pulls away from the tree. I can’t tell based on the video if yours is doing the same or not? Could you please tell me one way or the other?
7:50-752ish, the top of the step doesn’t appear to be pulling away. I’m guessing it is for a few reasons: 1) There’s a knot on one side of the step, 2) He shimmies the rope around a few times earlier in the video to make it tighter, 3) He pulls on the step to get it to bite/set where he wants, if it comes to far down he moves it higher then repeats everything. Finally, could it be different cordage being used, which has more resiliency in it vs stiffness?
Apologies on a slow reply. You have to be certain you pull down on the step to take all the slack out of the daisy, and then step all the way against the back of the step as stepping closer to the end will make it hinge more easily. If it still hinges slightly, you can very slightly hop somewhat to seat the step further down. I will do another video soon on this. Thanks for your support and good luck!
I like it. Until I saw the price point. Double that of big box climbing sticks. Not saying people won’t buy. Price over benefits for me at this point. Great video
Many thanks ! It is the labor in the attachments that drives the cost. Each of the daisy chains take roughly 45 min to make ! That is nearly 7.5 hours of labor for just 10 of the daisies ! We do offer just the material and a video so you can make your own. Good luck this season !
Can the polymer Silent Approach steps be retrofitted to use Amsteel blue in some way?
The can but its not recommended. Unless you are 100% proficient with the SA steps already.
I’ve used ATV foot pegs for years. Would rather something a little longer like the atv foot pegs.
I can understand your desire. The Silent Approach steps are a little longer... these were made for the most minimalist good luck to you !
@@BullmanOutdoors Thanks, good luck to you also
Are these still available? When I click the link it says page can't be found
Sorry about that. We discontinued that step as we work on a new aluminum design. Continous improvement is our Motto. We do have a couple new steps available for 2022 though! I updated the link I the description. Thanks for watching! Go ahead and subscribe and you'll see any new products and such as soon as they hit ! Thanks again!
@@BullmanOutdoorsso does this mean there were issues with the aluminum ones? Are we safe to keep using them?
It sure seems like they would kick out easily.
Any step or stick loaded improperly will move. These have been tested to ASTM/ATM standards and are extremely strong and work amazing when used properly !
I used the Silent Approach Steps for several cold, late season, hunts here in Nor Minnesota. I watched the instructional videos, practiced in my back yard, and felt very safe and confident hunting at the 15 foot height I climbed too.
The price is insane.
Thanks ! It is a great deal for sure !.. It is alot of money yes , ( as I believe you may be looking from this perspective) but if you tried to piece together what we are offering anywhere else you would easily pay double or more ... The daisy's themselves are typically 14-15$ !
@@BullmanOutdoors especially considering if you buy decent climbing sticks they're typically 300.00 for only 3 sticks, then an extra 15.00 for the amsteel daisies
@@dustinhoffman9843 Exactly !
You can buy tethrd one sticks for that price. Same weight only attach 3 items to the tree, same height. Believe me I'm not knocking Bullman at all their ROS got me in the Saddle game this is just me stating facts.
Million Dollar question 😂 how high did you get and do you think you could do a ring of steps with those
Ita just depends on how fat you space em out. But typically 18" apart 10 will get you about 16 feet. And you can absolutely use a ROS with them !
@1stcivdiv81 Sounds good ! I am about 6'1 ... you can stretch a little if you are wanting to get a little more height as opposed to sticks where your height is fixed. But the weight and packability is amazing no doubt !
How high does 12 steps get you? Not using giant spacing, just a normal step
approximately 18 feet for an average height man.
Was gonna watch but fell asleep
Wake Up !
Are those squirrel steps?
Nope . We call them The Pioneer . They are similar to the squirrle step , which was modeled after the old API sky hooks ... but about 1/3 of the price !
@@BullmanOutdoors what are the measurements and weight.
That are 3" long and they weigh 3pz
And 3/4 inch wide
@@BullmanOutdoors how wide is the slot that the webbing goes though?
Your link is broke
lemme take a look. Thanks
Got it thanks
these would be great if it wasnt so exorbitantly expensive.
I feel ya ! Its the price of the daisies that adds up. They take about 45 min each to make! Labor Costs!! We do offer the material so you can DIY !
Now show it with your stand.
We will get that together before too long. Thanks for asking!
Throwball drt
Waay to much movement for my liking. Good luck to you regardless ! Thanks for the input.
I'm not sure about all that
Why is everyone trying to avoid a good climbing stand ?
I just don't get it
Everyone using this sort of thing are climbing telephone pole trees.
I'm sorry this might have a use but not for me .
I used a climber for a few years. I'm glad you like yours! But ill climb any tree I just prefer the poles! Good luck to you!
Tedious.
That is too high!
Never !
Sorry but it doesn't look safe, at the very least I would choke the tree with the lanyard so that if you fall it catches you. good luck and be safe...
Appreciate your input. It is as safe as any other mobile method. Safety , tbh lies in the user's hands. We use high quality materials that have been tested to ASTM/TMA standards for climbing sticks/steps. I trust them with my life as well as friends and families. Good luck to you as well !
Slow
Slow is smooth they say ...
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