Well, it depends on the style and the result the artist is looking for xd, at least it's true that using black for shading give a different feeling in the painting than using a mix of colors xd. But it doesn't mean using black is bad, there are some moments that it works pretty well especially in paintings where they want a sadder or depressive feeling. Or as you said when inking, in some artstyle and in traditional media it works too. It depends for sure.
I think this more applies to animation. Which the short bit of advice doesn’t explain. But true black doesn’t look good in animation films. It shows up as nothing and so we’re told not to use it so that when you shade something, it’ll show up and look right.... but if you’re ever going to give advice, explain it! Lol
Pure black is basically part of the lineart. But using watered down black for shading, doesn't look very good. The real problem thought, is when you try to blend it and it ends up looking as if you accidentally smudged charcoal on your drawing instead of shading it...
@@whitethorndeer7945 Yeah that's what I mean when I say don't shade with black, it depends on what you're trying to convey and your style (like comic artists). I normally don't recommend shading with a color (ex: yellow) with a tint of black because it ends not looking very well
It gives a false sense of security. And as a young artist it's something you shouldn't have to really worry about especially. You have to be okay with understanding that your art isn't at a place you want to be. That's the point! There is no end point, even for professionals! And that's the cool part: you're always being challenged and improving. Just be happy at your attempts and keep going 👍
People who say anime isn’t art don’t know that most anime art styles are just reductions of forms in real life, and even some anime like jojo have a more stylized and detailed artstyle.
The "dont use reference" thing also impacts with araki using Michelangelo statues as reference to draw his characters. Its just dumb that these people think they're right and think they are proffesionals at it. I also hated that thot who used a BUNCH of cringe FUCKING emoji's in their "TIPS".
@BeetleBUMxX Yeah not all art is about capturing a realistic form as it is seen, but an anime artstyle is formed from reductions of real things meaning it’s still art? I mean, within the context of the discussion an anime style is art regardless if you yourself find it interesting or not, I could say the same thing since I find realism art boring
@NS I nope art cannot be considered just a single style or entity art is much more broad that's why you can never say one style is better than the other.
Funnily enough, I find photorealistic art the least artistic and interesting. Because, well... it's just a carbon copy of reality, there's nothing new, different or interesting added to it. Don't get me wrong, I can still appreciate the massive amount of skill it takes to pull it off and the time investment needed to get to that point, but the end result does absolutely nothing for me.
@@kaorumugen991 I get that, but do you feel the same if the photo realistic art has a story, like: it looks like photography, but actually has composition or mood
@@Lacesonashes I mean, yeah, it likely would make me feel something, just as good photography can. But it's pretty rare, and even then it has way less of an impact than a much simpler drawing that also captured that same mood would. I don't know, I think it's just that our brains (or mine at least) are "bored" of seeing reality because it's what we perceive almost every waking moment of our life, and what makes drawings and paintings more appealing is simply the fact that they're something _other_ than reality. Essentially, I feel like the core of art and its appeal is the freedom it gives you, and constraining yourself to a style as restricted as "photorealism" is almost antithetical to it. At that point, might as well just take a photo instead.
@@kaorumugen991 thanks for your reply! I understand your points and they do make sense, and I can mostly but not fully agree. Tdlr yup you are completely right but photorealism is still good (but I can't make a decent argument) (Because I really like semirrealism, I feel that I sometimes mix up the two in imagination). Take a photo instead... I guess yeah but sometimes the fact that you drew it ands to it's value (even though the process isn't the important part to most viewers). Like! Wow this is painted!! Also some things you just can't get with the camera, sometimes it's just a pain to pose. Yeah I believe we should experiment with all styles (including realism). This is art - if I want to be anti-ethical to it (in this context I'm not taking about crime) i think it's still art (by your definition) I just don't think it's restrictive ... but I do see that it's boring compared to prettier (other styles in general) styles
I hate that comment as well. It's like they don't understand that organs can shift, change or move depending upon the body type. Organs don't have a net mass.
I wonder if the same people who say stuff like that would say that to the face of a Victoria's secret model. "Hey lady who's obviously alive, where are your organs?!" From asinine art critic to Jack the Ripper vibes in two seconds straight.
I saw this comment on a none artist RUclips video. LMAO! It was about white people on Twitter, shouting and saying "Where are her organs?!" "It's a fucking drawing! Calm yoh tits!" she commented on those people. Best shit I've heard from a none artist person.
The ones I heard the most from relatives and friends are: - Stop drawing anime, and do realism. (I mean, I'm trying to learn something new, but that doesn't mean I have to stop doing what I'm most comfortable with all-together.) - Never use references, and rely on your imagination. (this one ruined me for real, and I just started recovering recently by using them more often but I still have that bad-feeling of using them won't help me at all, and it seems it's not going anywhere anytime soon.)
I used to use imagination and was proud but referencing is actually so helpful. I wished I knew that before trying to change my style to slightly more realistic :;
I believe the “don’t use black to shade” tip comes from when beginners start digital art for the very first time and it’s usually accompanied with the airbrush tool. This happened to me when I first started, I’d use an airbrush tool to shade black around my drawing of a character without any real sense of light source or even idea of what I wanted, and it would look really dirty, and the shading itself wasn’t appealing. But of course artstyles that need black cell shading like Afro samurai and such, are done by artists who have an idea and know what they’re doing when it comes to shadows and it ends up looking great. I feel like Art tips like these in general are only good within a specific context, but the way in which they’re told or repeated are just as unproductive. They DON’T actually apply to art as a whole and more to just detour beginners from doing things that may hinder their growth since techniques like that (from what I can tell from my experience) are usually done without a understanding of the art principles.
Yeah I agree, the don’t use black and white for shading just means don’t use black and white to make your COLORS darker and lighter. It will make your colors look muddy. You can add a lot of depth to a drawing by using dark colors rather than straight black for the shadows themselves. As mentioned in the video though, there ARE ways to use black that can be very dynamic, you just have to use it right.
Agree with and relate to this. I used black and white only for shading and highlights prior to my art teacher saying stuff. I was always confused why it felt muddy or bland until my art teacher taught us how you can use other colors to shade and highlight. I think it comes naturally if your style is monochromatic or if you understand the fundamentals, black shading is okay. Personally, I'd like to use black sparingly because black and white are extremes and are essential in emphasizing things. The main goal for artists is to either have fun or be versatile (or both) and I think you should align your methods to that goal.
Whenever people ask me for art tips, I tell them not to shade with black and immediately explain that shadows are rarely just "black" in real life, and always encourage them to use contrasting colors to acheive more depth. Some "tips" have endured for centuries for a reason, but telling beginners to do or not do something because "that's the rule" is just reductive.
The black for shading is for painting realism, especially with traditional paints. It's because black makes the color muddy and it usually looks much more natural if you shade with a dark color that is not pure black. It's obviously not meant for shading with inks, or cell shading, it's for realistic painting... It's also not a hard rule, but a good tip for begginers since most begginers just add a little black for their shadows and wonder why their colors don't look great...
Especially if your going for lighting effects like chiaroscuro or if your painting or shading something that is pure black like the night sky or an iPhone
I know this from personal experience. I recently painted a yellow rose to learn watercolor. I mixed a little black into the yellow to make a shadow as opposed to a darker yellow. The rose turned out like a hot mess.
Context dependent tip. If you are painting or drawing highly rendered pieces it's rare that you will ever go full black. I've never heard anyone say this should be universally applied as two value studies are common in contemporary art schools.
omg yes- whenever i do digital art, i make so many layers XD 🤷♀️ but some programs have a feature where you can name layers, or (for sketches) you can colour layers differently :>
@@spaghetti7180 Same. I literally use ON AVERAGE 60 layers per drawing. For comic pages, if I were to spend the same amount of time on each panel, I would spend on average 9 hours PER PAGE, and use about 120 layers PER. P A G E. Yeah I overdo myself.
The whole question of what is and isn't art is so tired anyways. But whoever wrote "style x is not art" was either deliberately trolling or someone who didn't like that style and was in a bad mood so they wrote that, so I don't think it's a "bad art tip" because at worst it's just a strange opinion.
if you're wondering, basically a local well-known musical band hired me to be their illustrator because of my fanart of another local musical band. I love both of them and they're way too underrated.
So once my uncle and cousin asked me how I got so good at drawing and I said studies, practicing different parts, step by step books, drawing what I learned and taking note ect. Basically a more detailed explanation than "just practice" And they stood there like 😶 and maybe confused
''don't use reference'' Leonardo Da Vinci dissecting bodies to study anatomy in the 1500's: ''What?'' Edit: omg 1.1 K likes? wow i wasn't expecting it :O
Wait seriously? He did that? That's interesting, I actually do something similar. I like to watch cadaver videos, surgeries, etc, because they help me to understand anatomy better.
The thing my art professor would always say that stuck with me was that learning to draw is about learning how to SEE. And there is a lot to that. Reference from life or from other images. Learn to see the actual color of that white wall with the way the color of the light and the surroundings mingle. Learn to see the differences in value- like things that are further away appear lighter than in the foreground. When you are working in black and white sometimes two different colors are the same value. Learn to measure angles and size relationships. Observe anatomy. See the patterns in how cloth wraps around different forms. The more you learn to be able to SEE these things, the more capable you’ll be of drawing them, and the better you’ll be able to “break the rules” and make artistic choices and stylize things in an appealing way.
“One thing I hate is criticizing a person’s art but not knowing where to draw the line” This is both metaphorically accurate and also a legitimate roast depending on intention and is mad impressive
It's sad because "boomer" isn't even an exaggeration. It actually IS a boomer thesis. It's that fucking old. Teachers in the 90's were saying it and are literal boomer age (50-70y/o currently). Dismissed or not, they keep trying REALLY hard to make it a thing.
@@zhawkmoth3653 I think it's just a jealousy/stubbornness thing. I'm an illustrator and many of my professors actually used anime examples in class usually praising the backgrounds/angles/lighting. I remember one was in love with studio Ghibli films and took ever chance he had to use it as examples, he even recommend some anime to a few students to inspire their creativity. He was in his 60s, I really think it's just a fine artist thing. There upset they aren't as successful as most main stream artist for lack of a better term.
WhO kNeW tHaT MaNgA tHaT TaKeS 5-6 HoUrS pEr PaGe WaSnT aRt edit: Lots a people are saying that 5 hours in less than they thought, it was just an estimate I have seen alot of comic/mangakas only work on 5 hours per page so yeah but theres alot of process in a manga
@@Saren_5 for a *really* pro artist, it only took less than 2 or 3 hour per page. They have to keep up with schedule and deadline, and some technical meeting with the editor.
I think in the beginning mangaka are expected to do a panel within 2 minutes, but for manga like Berserk it takes way longer. I can belive that 5-6 is a good estamate for most manga
@@cr4zy_cycl0n3 it varys ofc. typically doesnt include backgrounds or effects because those are added later on the computer. But I have seen manga artists do drawings within a 2-3 minute timeframe it's beyond impressive.
I say "just draw" whenever I hear someone pussyfooting around the fact that they don't like being bad. people that say "oh, but but but I can't draw, I wish I could be good at it" and they are so in their head that they think it's not even worth trying that's where you just fucking draw. I used to complain like that shit too and it aggravates me now to see others saying the same things. you're not getting anywhere, all you're doing is wasting your time complaining. use the time you're wasting complaining that you can't draw to actually just do it. if you never have any fun at all, it's probably not a skill worth developing. if you find enjoyment in it, then just do it!! get yourself into that headspace and know that everyone CAN be good at it and just draw to have fun. it is so much easier to get better at something you enjoy doing versus something you don't. plus there's a billion other hobbies to try if you find you just don't like art, and I hold that philosophy in everything else too
IKR. Sometimes that advice is really good for a kick in the ass. I have SOOOOOOOO many people around me who see me drawing and then groan and complain and whine about how they can't draw and how they'll never be good at it. Like how tf did you think I ended up here with this sketchbook. People aren't born with the knowledge of how to scrawl a human body on a piece of paper with a stick of graphite, you have to actually DRAW to get anywhere with it A lot of those people then go on to complain that saying "just draw" is bad advice, but sometimes I really feel like it's more useful than most people chalk it up to be. It motivates you to actually get started, and then if you enjoy drawing, your skills can develop naturally just from drawing what you enjoy. Obviously being more specific about which fundamentals to learn and all that is useful too, but for absolute beginners, that's all worthless if you hardly know how to work a pencil in the first place or if you have no idea what you want to draw even if you did learn the fundamentals.
There's a lot of "bad" advice that actually isn't bad but just incomplete or unnuanced. Too many favor delivering things in short, snappy one liners or tl:drs over properly articulating the idea behind their advice.
@@fatalblue oh of course! nobody should ever say "just draw lol" and leave it at that. it's a closing/opening statement for a longer explanation of why you shouldn't overthink your own skill level and decide something isn't worth it prematurely
As an elementary art teacher I’m proud that I have avoided all of these ridiculous bad “tips”. 😊 loss of creativity snd self-confidence are my worst fears as a teacher in general.
I must admit: I am an artist, and once I said to another artist “don’t draw only human, try to mix it with other stuff”. On one hand, I understand that you draw what you like, and forcing to do other stuff is wrong, but when I see artist draw one pose and one face/body type over and over again, I worry that its gonna be persons “comfort zone”, avoiding challenge and learning.
You are one of the people who can give another artist the right advice ... 😭♥️ That's right tho a good advice is to make someone get out of her/his comfort zone and i know some artist are Scares get out of their comfort zone ... But like you say "try to mix it with other stuff " it's really worked ... Bc for me it means *mix it* with something that inspire you or influence you and it Will make you good in pose , face , structure , body shape, etc ... And finally you Will have *art* that you really desire
When my new sketchbook order arrived, i had been debating for a while what to put on the cover. maybe a doodle, maybe the start date. but in the end, i put a quote that pushes me repeatedly to not get scared of "messing" my art because drawing is a skill, and I can just do it again. "The comfort zone is a nice place to be, but nothing ever grows there." I dont recall where i picked up that quote, but i think it matched pretty well with what you were trying to say
Yet many of the 'art' channels on RUclips are exactly this - some kid drawing the same big-eyed, swollen-lipped girl or the same furry fantasy creature they've drawn since they were 12.
@ArtistGuitarist Maybe, I was able to pick up drawing figures, gestures, expressions fairly young, all I did was read comics and draw as a kid. I always had more trouble with less organic looking things, machines, cars, ships, stuff like that - for me there's a huge difference between just drawing a believable character in perspective and putting them into an environment. It's a problem I still have, occasionally. Like a few weeks ago I'd drawn a scene where someone was hiding with a gun - I re-drew the gun several times before it looked right but the characters I had no problem with. Then I thought about how little I'd actually studied and drawn guns in detail - even that is a whole can of worms being from the UK, I've seen about 3 guns in my life - look up references, so many designs, styles...a whole world of mechanics and jargon I know zero about. It never ends, really.
I believe criticism is more telling what's good and what's lacking, rather than just what's lacking. Insults are the ones where only bad things are said. With criticism, I want to be aware of good and lacking things at the same time, that way you can just focus on those more. So when you're giving art advice to a piece, *POINT OUT the things that appeal good.* I feel like that way, more artists that do feel hurt from statements involving something bad, can feel better motivated when they know what's good. Also, if you really feel sad from criticism: Change those feelings from sadness to anger! Like a badass anime scene where the protagonist is like, *Oh, so you're challenging me? Well, if the linearts lacking I'll do A BUNCH OF CONTROL AND PRESSURE EXERCISES AHAHAHAHAHA AND I'LL OVERCOME MY WEAKNESS >:DDD* Edit: So by a commentor (Jeffrey Thrash thank you) I feel like motivation is a better choice of word with anger, and makes you wanna do better.
“Determination” would fit better than “anger,” but otherwise I agree. This stranger’s critique-it fills you with determination. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAVE?
I was feeling a ton of anxiety over my art because I’ve been drawing for like, two years, and I haven’t improved as much as I wish I would. Because of this I became crazy determined and now I draw _everyday_ I don’t hunk I’ve skipped a day yet without holding a pencil.
@Mute sure but the art community has gotten softer lately so it needs better build up and motivation to get back on track with real constructive criticism. And know what ur good at is useful, you’re aware of ur strengths and understand what you gotta do to improve your weaknesses.
Here this is more of a compliment sandwich type of critique. There is constructive criticism that just highlights what you've done wrong and how you can improve on it, which is good. And then there's saying "Your art sucks lol" and acting like you did something, which is destructive criticism or just plain insults.
The fact that I already know half the quotes because people used them on me already pissed me off. Just thinking about it bring back horrible memories.
I remember my mom says ' with your drawing skills, you can become... An architect!.' And my mind just like '...But I want to become... An animator and artist' lmao (Sorry for my bad english-ey tho :p)
LITERALLY ME like *What makes you think that because I like to draw characters in fun scenarios/poses that I want to draw stagnant buildings for a living?...* I think they only say this because it is a well-paying job that a lot of people know about.
My art teacher from 8th grade told me many times that “anime isn’t art” I told her to “let me do my own thing” and she clearly didn’t like my response and stopped talking to me
"It's like telling a comic book artist to only learn three poses and then he only draws al of the characters in those three poses" Hey, _those_ people are extremely necessary, because without them we wouldn't be able to get the barrage of advertisements of free flash games that all somehow look the same.
I used to draw real people for fun. Now im not drawing real people at all. Only: • Anime • Animals • Other cartoon characters • And sometimes just things that i see in real life (like food or flowers) And for everyone that draws: If u rly enjoy drawing then never give up on urself. I used to think that i was just bad at drawing and stopped. But then i began again cuz i enjoyed it and it didnt feel right to stop. So dont give up on urself if u enjoy it! :]
I'm the person that would give advice: don't use black to shade and white to make light until you understand the basics of how color works. because shadows are not just darker colors but they change for example more to blue. but when you understand that colors are changing and how they are changing you can use it. PS. that advice works better in traditional art because you are mixing colors and by not using black your colors have more variations and they look much better.(always you can mix black using adders colors)
My stepmom had a personal vendetta against everything that made me happy. When I became hyperfixated on Mario she deemed it an "obsession" and banned any playing or discussing of it. She did the same with me drawing. She tried to prevent me from taking art at school because she wanted me to be a jock / "popular kid" instead even though I'm introverted and prefer being creative by myself. For years I had to only draw while at school and hide all my drawings in my locker, and give them to someone else to hide if my stepmom was coming towards my locker. Whenever she found them she destroyed them in the most furious way possible and then the next few days at home would be miserable. She definitely ruled by fear but she didn't succeed in changing me into what she wanted. I still draw to this day, mostly Mario fan art.
I actually got the "don't shade in black" tip, many many times. I was embarrassed at first but I started shading with other colors, more realistically. It honestly looks better now.
Fanart was the reason I saw my art genuinely improve and is my favorite form to express what I'm into! I began gaining some recognition from peers after they saw my last work. It was the first time I put so much effort on certain parts I never did, such as the hair and no one had no idea that it was actually fanart for something I really liked
"Dont compare yourself to other artists" How am I supposed to improve then? Mainly you just compare yourself to your past art, I mean, looking at other art for inspiration is one thing, but berating yourself for not being as good as someone who most likely has worked a lot longer than you will make you feel like garbage. If you never look back on your past art you will never realize how much you have improved, and that could easily put you in a funk.
When I was 12 years old my art teacher banned me (and a few others) from her class. She didn’t think that we were ŵorthy of her time as we weren’t up to what she considered an acceptable standard.
I think the best art advice I've ever heard is "Find something you enjoy, and do that thing" or any variation of that. Techniques with a certain medium are always welcome too, like how to get smooth blending with markers, painting from the back of a picture to the front, how different layer types work in digital programs, etc. :)
I needed this video man I've been feeling down on creating and learning lately. Listening to the bad advice in this video helped me realize that I've heard most of this all my life and I need to be more free with what I create.
You got this! you honestly can do anything you want to, as long as it's creative and you are comfortable making art you like. the only rules you should obey to improve are the important fundamentals of art. Once you understand them, you can break them at will
Late to the party (thanks YT algorithms), but my high school art teacher almost turned me off of art completely because she was insistent that there were only certain ways you could do art. And she would pick favorite students based on who listened to her, and shunned those who didn't (bet you can guess which category I fell into). The thing she loved trying to drill the most into my head was the idea I couldn't use harsh lighting/shadows effects. It all has to be gentle. Because as we all know, dramatic lighting doesn't exist and I wasn't doing exactly what she had commanded we all do and use photo references for our realism because anime isn't art. So naturally, I only ever did art of people in dramatic lighting until I finally left her class for engineering, stopped doing art for awhile, and finally got back into it on my own and have been learning a lot from the people of YT lately.
Heyyyy just wanted to say thank you so much for putting subtitles! English is not my first language, and it makes it easier to understand what you’re saying! This video was great and I lost some of the ideas I had in my mind
I’ve come to the point where I just vibe and do whatever I want with my art. If I feel like I need to practice in something I’ll do some real life drawings and go back to random doodles.
I think the stigma around using black for shading comes from traditional painting. Most "pure black" paints you find still have just a tiny bit of blue in them, making them a little colder. So if you use one of those in a "warmer" painting so to speak, it can mess it up a lot. That's just from what I've been taught, I'm probably dead wrong lol. Either way, the "tip" really doesn't translate well to digital art, or anything other than painting.
I've heard about "fanart isnt art "and "dont use black in shading" in an art school. From an ART SCHOOL TEACHER. Glad I took them with a grain of salt.
I went to art school and I can't tell you the amount of advice that I was given that is literally the opposite of what makes you popular online. "Don't draw the same thing over and over, don't draw the same face over and over, copy reality exactly." Also, one thing I'm noticing recently is that in my drawing classes GESTURE drawing was HEAVILY emphasized. I became very good at it and was praised for my linework. HOWEVER, gesture drawings are not completed images! They are an amazing base to use for your art piece, but a gesture drawing is not a completed piece. Now I am struggling with my art because every time I draw something, the drawing looks good so I think I'm ready to color it. WRONG. I go to add color, and realize my lines are not ready for color yet. I am actually better at painting at this point than drawing because I was never taught in school how to take a DRAWING and COMPLETE it with color and everything. Just another thing I need to learn on my own. Sorry just a rant. Thanks for listening. :) Love your videos Mohammed!
The between step is fairly simple. You find the more central line between your sweeping lines and usually pick that one to solidify. Like all parts of learning to draw, it takes a little practice to develope.
where worst art tips come from: -people who can't draw and doesn't understand art. -Parents/relatives/teachers from the late century who are still learning modern things. -People who only care about how it looks like and only seeks perfection although it's not their art nor the ones who drew it to even experience the tough process before they start discouraging. I'm currently 13 and been living mostly with parents and relatives mostly old people who keeps telling me that my art is bad (bcoz I randomly started drawing anime rather than stick people in my first time of drawing) because it's not realistic. And I understand because it's something new to them but it's still hard to get over things when you spent hours and years of practice only to get these comments. I hope everyone keeps improving in their personal works :)
"Use Photoshop?" Photoshop has a lot of tools. They're pretty cool. They don't make you better. I learned this the hard way over the course of several years.
I feel grateful I've never been given this type of advice in my artistic career. I think some the problem is that a lot of these advices aren't really advice, they're just personal opinions under the guise of advice. And I understand completely that art is subjective, but if you're going to give advice to newcomers, it's best to be objective as possible. This is harder than it looks because it art in itself has a lot of subjectivity. What I might find well-developed won't be the same to a general audience or even other artists, but I don't think that opinion should take precedent over basic facts. "Anime is not art" is an opinion. I don't agree, but it's just not advice. Saying, "I think expanding your interests outside of anime to help develop other skills" is an opinion too, but works better as general advice because you directly tackle an issue and tell people what can help them.
I remember one time I asked for critique on how I coloured an art piece, and the other artist responded with "You shouldn't be colouring your drawings yet because your proportions are all wrong." It really discouraged me at the time, even though I have never known a single artist who only learns one area then moves onto the next. I like to learn many of the aspects together.
I want to draw my own manga in the future and now I’m just obsessed with your channel lol. Good tips, good criticism, everything here will help me in the future. Love it ❤️
@@deeperanddown If you're a student that want to become a professional or someone who's looking for a quick improvement yes that's partially true. You got a point.
The Idea of “Don’t use black for Shading” comes from the idea that using black for shading makes the colors look dull and muddy. It also relates to trying to soft shade with black, of course it is totally doable, and it looks BEAUTIFUL with cell shading like in the examples provided. It’s a good start for beginners, as I used to do it, but my art teachers all say not to use it as a shading color, which is kind of annoying. A better tip is to say “If you are struggling with shading, it’s better to use a darker shade of the color as opposed to just black, as it doesn’t muddy the colors.” But again, plenty of people use black as a shading color and make it look wonderful.
Bruh, you are so nice. Just in Jan 2021, there was an art competition during Lockdown in college organised by art club of college. And we received many amazing entries, and being an artist myself, especially an artist who is constantly under stress and negativity so constantly look to any form of art for feeling good. And i sent my digital fanart of Harlequin. Didnt won which is no prob, but one thing which shattered my heart was when none of my friends took it seriously since a " fanart not realism " and even went to say that my art was just a laugh off, or a joke kind. I seriously felt someone broke my soul, and i was stressed out for a week. People need to understand that man, so good to see people like you exist.
Weird one I got from my Dad "Stop drawing guns so much. People will think you're a school shooter" definitely the confidence boost I needed at the time 👍
“Anime is not” art is probably the worst I’ve heard.
Facts, if anime is not art then what the heck have I been watching for almost all my life? Live-action??
That hurts, of course is art:(
(In my opinion) Anime art style is still better then comics art style
finally im here early!! always just wanted to say youre great man, im loving your channel found it just a few weeks ago, keep it up
As an anime artist i feel attacked
“Fan art isn’t art”
Then why does it have “art” in the word???
isn't art generally just a fan art of reality? : /
@@wheredayokokogodokutah285 yes it is :/
I mean, about half of European art is just fanart of the Bible if you really think about it
if fanart is gone then art fandoms would DIE and not exist. If everything is original, there would be something off.
A fan picture 😌
"Don't ever use reference for your art."
*Leonardo da Vinci:* Hm yes, i totally didn't draw *Mona Lisa* from *an actual person* hm yes
🤔 🧐 HMMM
Or the thousands of people who made anatomy art or portraits
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Painter, back in the day: What a lovely sky. I shall paint it.
Art Karen: No ReFeReNcEs!!
Wait do they think pictures just pop ups in your mind then draw it like a printer?
"Never use black for shading."
All comicbook inkers: So you have chosen death.
Well, it depends on the style and the result the artist is looking for xd, at least it's true that using black for shading give a different feeling in the painting than using a mix of colors xd. But it doesn't mean using black is bad, there are some moments that it works pretty well especially in paintings where they want a sadder or depressive feeling.
Or as you said when inking, in some artstyle and in traditional media it works too. It depends for sure.
Yep. Me too
I think this more applies to animation. Which the short bit of advice doesn’t explain. But true black doesn’t look good in animation films. It shows up as nothing and so we’re told not to use it so that when you shade something, it’ll show up and look right.... but if you’re ever going to give advice, explain it! Lol
Pure black is basically part of the lineart. But using watered down black for shading, doesn't look very good. The real problem thought, is when you try to blend it and it ends up looking as if you accidentally smudged charcoal on your drawing instead of shading it...
@@whitethorndeer7945 Yeah that's what I mean when I say don't shade with black, it depends on what you're trying to convey and your style (like comic artists). I normally don't recommend shading with a color (ex: yellow) with a tint of black because it ends not looking very well
"Fan-art is not art"
"Say it again, but slowly"
I think that "Fan-art is not art" is a dumb statement. Because I can even find fan art made by pro artist.
People who used to paint fanart for the bible: 👁👄👁
It clearly has the word "art" besides "fan"
Dafuq is wrong with people
Coco-chan!!!!
@@mikuenjoyerXD yeet
Saying anime is not art, is like saying rice isn't a food
Saying anime is not art, is like having a toaster instead of a rice cooker
@JBcoolbreez Ben Shapiro wants to know your location
Or saying that the Rogue's abilities in RPGs aren't proper abilities (even when compared to Mages)
Saying Anime is not art is like saying coffee doesn't make you 💩
I guess animation isn't art by their standards.
one of the worst tips: "no you don't need to improve, your art is already godly uwu"
100% agree lmao
Yesssss even the most skilled artists can keep improving
@@nayussysuccer yes, no artist stops improving their art even if they don't notice.
It gives a false sense of security. And as a young artist it's something you shouldn't have to really worry about especially. You have to be okay with understanding that your art isn't at a place you want to be. That's the point! There is no end point, even for professionals! And that's the cool part: you're always being challenged and improving. Just be happy at your attempts and keep going 👍
Ugh I've have people tell me this, and I like look at my art and I'm like
Bruh what
How does this look perfect???
People who say anime isn’t art don’t know that most anime art styles are just reductions of forms in real life, and even some anime like jojo have a more stylized and detailed artstyle.
It’s like saying the dagger or axe isn’t a bladed weapon because it’s not a sword
That's every art style
The "dont use reference" thing also impacts with araki using Michelangelo statues as reference to draw his characters. Its just dumb that these people think they're right and think they are proffesionals at it. I also hated that thot who used a BUNCH of cringe FUCKING emoji's in their "TIPS".
@BeetleBUMxX Yeah not all art is about capturing a realistic form as it is seen, but an anime artstyle is formed from reductions of real things meaning it’s still art? I mean, within the context of the discussion an anime style is art regardless if you yourself find it interesting or not, I could say the same thing since I find realism art boring
That person you speak of made a video explaining it, so you don't have to gang up on her
"Fan art isn't real art."
Most of the Renissance was just Bible fanart.
Oh shit you right
The bibble is my favourite anime book.
Bruh
Oh shit I've never thought of this
Basically religion is just a fandom
it really seriously was tho 😐 commissioned by rich people and the church to gain Jesus points lolz. "Look, I bought art, I'm a real fan‼️"
Everyone: you're not an artist if you do art digitally
Me that can't even afford a pack of sharpies: ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Deku Ikr
I love that emoticon.
Lmao
ᕕ( ᐕ )ᕗ
Relatable 🤣
"Only realism is real art"
Well, somebody hasn't opened an art history book in a while...
@NS I nope art cannot be considered just a single style or entity art is much more broad that's why you can never say one style is better than the other.
Funnily enough, I find photorealistic art the least artistic and interesting. Because, well... it's just a carbon copy of reality, there's nothing new, different or interesting added to it.
Don't get me wrong, I can still appreciate the massive amount of skill it takes to pull it off and the time investment needed to get to that point, but the end result does absolutely nothing for me.
@@kaorumugen991 I get that, but do you feel the same if the photo realistic art has a story, like: it looks like photography, but actually has composition or mood
@@Lacesonashes I mean, yeah, it likely would make me feel something, just as good photography can. But it's pretty rare, and even then it has way less of an impact than a much simpler drawing that also captured that same mood would.
I don't know, I think it's just that our brains (or mine at least) are "bored" of seeing reality because it's what we perceive almost every waking moment of our life, and what makes drawings and paintings more appealing is simply the fact that they're something _other_ than reality.
Essentially, I feel like the core of art and its appeal is the freedom it gives you, and constraining yourself to a style as restricted as "photorealism" is almost antithetical to it. At that point, might as well just take a photo instead.
@@kaorumugen991 thanks for your reply! I understand your points and they do make sense, and I can mostly but not fully agree.
Tdlr yup you are completely right but photorealism is still good (but I can't make a decent argument)
(Because I really like semirrealism, I feel that I sometimes mix up the two in imagination). Take a photo instead... I guess yeah but sometimes the fact that you drew it ands to it's value (even though the process isn't the important part to most viewers). Like! Wow this is painted!! Also some things you just can't get with the camera, sometimes it's just a pain to pose. Yeah I believe we should experiment with all styles (including realism). This is art - if I want to be anti-ethical to it (in this context I'm not taking about crime) i think it's still art (by your definition) I just don't think it's restrictive ... but I do see that it's boring compared to prettier (other styles in general) styles
Just draw Mohammed but don't use references ever and make sure it's not anime!!!
Hi Thumin! I love your videons :)
lol
bruh
(Every Karen ever)
Totally agree
"Anime isn't art", that offends me.
totally!
it makes me mad too and the worst part is that i had to hear it while drawing anime
Anime art style is literally named stylised realism. I hope one day everyone will learn this.
Congratulations on 200k by the way!
hopefully people learn this
Isnt tjat every art style xD
@@sorinastefan5631 I’m pretty sure what they’re talking about is a cartoonish like style mixed in with qualities of realism
@@sorinastefan5631 nope, there are realism, semi-realism and cartoonism
yikes
“Where are her organs??!!!??!” They’re nonexistent. It’s a drawing. I will draw pretty girls however i want.
I hate that comment as well. It's like they don't understand that organs can shift, change or move depending upon the body type. Organs don't have a net mass.
I wonder if the same people who say stuff like that would say that to the face of a Victoria's secret model.
"Hey lady who's obviously alive, where are your organs?!"
From asinine art critic to Jack the Ripper vibes in two seconds straight.
Or the other extreme: “She has diabetes! Stop promoting obesity!!” You can’t win either way.
Also while this may be disgusting but it's the truth, human skin is the largest organ, so technically you can see an organ.
I saw this comment on a none artist RUclips video. LMAO! It was about white people on Twitter, shouting and saying "Where are her organs?!"
"It's a fucking drawing! Calm yoh tits!" she commented on those people. Best shit I've heard from a none artist person.
"Drawing from a photo is basically copying and printing"
Me: sorry we don't make *BRZZZZT CHAKA CHAKA BRZZZT* sounds when we're drawing.
Laughed, I like
Yeah, I don’t FREAKING *BLOW UP*
artists be like: *BRZZZT CHAKA CHAKA BRZZZT*
Ok this made me laugh 😂
LOL this made my day thank you 😂
The ones I heard the most from relatives and friends are:
- Stop drawing anime, and do realism. (I mean, I'm trying to learn something new, but that doesn't mean I have to stop doing what I'm most comfortable with all-together.)
- Never use references, and rely on your imagination. (this one ruined me for real, and I just started recovering recently by using them more often but I still have that bad-feeling of using them won't help me at all, and it seems it's not going anywhere anytime soon.)
I'm just glad I figured out the "don't use references" tip was a load of bullcrap before it seriously affected me and my art
I used to use imagination and was proud but referencing is actually so helpful. I wished I knew that before trying to change my style to slightly more realistic :;
I'm finally starting to use references and I already see the difference :D it's really useful, I make screenshots all the time now!
My friends and relatives always say this to me too, they make me wanna quit drawing so bad
@@amelia2863 Don't!! Draw what you want, have fun, improve. If they can't appreciate art, it's their problem.
"anime is not art"
Me reading vagabond and berserk: the what?!
Yeah the detail in vagabond and berserk is just sick🔥
@JBcoolbreez The fuck-
You should also check Boichi's mangas
@JBcoolbreez what an unexpected comment.
@JBcoolbreez Maybe your teacher is watching h***i and reading dojin r +18
I believe the “don’t use black to shade” tip comes from when beginners start digital art for the very first time and it’s usually accompanied with the airbrush tool. This happened to me when I first started, I’d use an airbrush tool to shade black around my drawing of a character without any real sense of light source or even idea of what I wanted, and it would look really dirty, and the shading itself wasn’t appealing. But of course artstyles that need black cell shading like Afro samurai and such, are done by artists who have an idea and know what they’re doing when it comes to shadows and it ends up looking great. I feel like Art tips like these in general are only good within a specific context, but the way in which they’re told or repeated are just as unproductive. They DON’T actually apply to art as a whole and more to just detour beginners from doing things that may hinder their growth since techniques like that (from what I can tell from my experience) are usually done without a understanding of the art principles.
Yeah I agree, the don’t use black and white for shading just means don’t use black and white to make your COLORS darker and lighter. It will make your colors look muddy. You can add a lot of depth to a drawing by using dark colors rather than straight black for the shadows themselves. As mentioned in the video though, there ARE ways to use black that can be very dynamic, you just have to use it right.
Agree with and relate to this. I used black and white only for shading and highlights prior to my art teacher saying stuff. I was always confused why it felt muddy or bland until my art teacher taught us how you can use other colors to shade and highlight.
I think it comes naturally if your style is monochromatic or if you understand the fundamentals, black shading is okay. Personally, I'd like to use black sparingly because black and white are extremes and are essential in emphasizing things. The main goal for artists is to either have fun or be versatile (or both) and I think you should align your methods to that goal.
Whenever people ask me for art tips, I tell them not to shade with black and immediately explain that shadows are rarely just "black" in real life, and always encourage them to use contrasting colors to acheive more depth. Some "tips" have endured for centuries for a reason, but telling beginners to do or not do something because "that's the rule" is just reductive.
@@Silburific 100% i agree yes
Yup yup yup.
I've been drawing for over a decade and I STILL don't use black, it just usually doesn't look right.
The black for shading is for painting realism, especially with traditional paints. It's because black makes the color muddy and it usually looks much more natural if you shade with a dark color that is not pure black. It's obviously not meant for shading with inks, or cell shading, it's for realistic painting... It's also not a hard rule, but a good tip for begginers since most begginers just add a little black for their shadows and wonder why their colors don't look great...
Especially if your going for lighting effects like chiaroscuro or if your painting or shading something that is pure black like the night sky or an iPhone
I know this from personal experience. I recently painted a yellow rose to learn watercolor. I mixed a little black into the yellow to make a shadow as opposed to a darker yellow. The rose turned out like a hot mess.
In addition, the great masters had very little black, so they had to manage it carefully.
"Anime isn't art"
If that's true
.. How the hell did Araki get a place in the Lourve then???
Dayuuuuummm
dude who said that had part 6 jotaro as their profile picture
@@sieg.4300 you dont even read the comment
Preach, father!
@@sieg.4300 he was quoting what his grandma said
Here's what my aunt said to me a lot of time: "Becoming an Artist has no future, especially in Malaysia."
WTF
Leonardo da Vinci, and all other famous artists : am I a joke to you?
Bro betul tu aku kene😂😂😭
Wtfffff the Malaysian art industry has been booming these past few years they must be very out of date 🤣🤣
Im Malaysian, i still learning anatomy, and that comment. I feel attack by that. Ouch.
Indonesia too 😭
"Don't use black shading"
*comic books have entered the chat*
and black and white manga
Context dependent tip. If you are painting or drawing highly rendered pieces it's rare that you will ever go full black.
I've never heard anyone say this should be universally applied as two value studies are common in contemporary art schools.
Persona has entered the chat
I'm assuming when people say that they mean "dont use a black airbrush tool to shade" because it makes the drawing look muddy
Again, what the quote means is to not use diluted black by air brushing it on. It makes the colors look muddy and can ruin the whole picture
Hearing the “anime is not art” at the beginning just made me instantly decrease in braincells...
Oop-
I would want to share my stupid braincells to u
U want?
"Reference isnt real art"
The paintings in the museum: 👁️👄👁️
Art tip: Remember the layers
Thanks, have been forgetting that while making my first crappy comic page
@@youraveragesub Lol
omg yes- whenever i do digital art, i make so many layers XD 🤷♀️
but some programs have a feature where you can name layers, or (for sketches) you can colour layers differently :>
Me: * Drawing on the wrong layer* WHAT IS PAIN
@@spaghetti7180 Same. I literally use ON AVERAGE 60 layers per drawing. For comic pages, if I were to spend the same amount of time on each panel, I would spend on average 9 hours PER PAGE, and use about 120 layers PER. P A G E.
Yeah I overdo myself.
"Anime is not an art form"
Me currently doing anime art while in zoom class: _Ayoo hol up, looks like its Crusade o clock_
lmao, NANI!
The whole question of what is and isn't art is so tired anyways. But whoever wrote "style x is not art" was either deliberately trolling or someone who didn't like that style and was in a bad mood so they wrote that, so I don't think it's a "bad art tip" because at worst it's just a strange opinion.
@@plasticflower a very strange Opinion indeed
the last line of your comment made me physically recoil
@@plasticflower weeaboo
@@kan50805 Don't you mean the original poster?
"Honey, everything is a remix" i lost it :D:D:D
have you seen the everything is a remix documentary?! hahah check it out!
@@MohammedAgbadi there's a documentary? Didn't know, I'm gonna check it out 😃
Elitists: "Anime isnt real art"
The anime industry: *laughs in ¥en*
Me whos making a manga: grabs katana
fanarts literally gave me the “professional” artist label.
if you're wondering, basically a local well-known musical band hired me to be their illustrator because of my fanart of another local musical band. I love both of them and they're way too underrated.
where can I view your art?
@@kylaserafim wow, I wanna see your art!
@@not_herobrine3752 I stumbled across their Instagram a while ago, I think their @ was @rafimizated.
My pfp is literally fanart i drew 😭
So once my uncle and cousin asked me how I got so good at drawing and I said studies, practicing different parts, step by step books, drawing what I learned and taking note ect.
Basically a more detailed explanation than "just practice"
And they stood there like 😶 and maybe confused
it sounded like a lot to them! they probably underestimated the amount of hard work and effort it takes to improve in art.
''don't use reference''
Leonardo Da Vinci dissecting bodies to study anatomy in the 1500's: ''What?''
Edit:
omg 1.1 K likes? wow i wasn't expecting it :O
Da Vinky!?
This is literally the best response to say to anyone who makes this comment.
Da Winky*
Wait seriously? He did that? That's interesting, I actually do something similar. I like to watch cadaver videos, surgeries, etc, because they help me to understand anatomy better.
TRIBUTE FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
"All art is art, your creativity is what counts"
A simple advice that strikes deep
The thing my art professor would always say that stuck with me was that learning to draw is about learning how to SEE. And there is a lot to that. Reference from life or from other images. Learn to see the actual color of that white wall with the way the color of the light and the surroundings mingle. Learn to see the differences in value- like things that are further away appear lighter than in the foreground. When you are working in black and white sometimes two different colors are the same value. Learn to measure angles and size relationships. Observe anatomy. See the patterns in how cloth wraps around different forms. The more you learn to be able to SEE these things, the more capable you’ll be of drawing them, and the better you’ll be able to “break the rules” and make artistic choices and stylize things in an appealing way.
Here is a perfect tip.
But the negative is people might spot you looking at a person alot when you are actually just looking at how the clothing folds
“One thing I hate is criticizing a person’s art but not knowing where to draw the line”
This is both metaphorically accurate and also a legitimate roast depending on intention and is mad impressive
"Anime is not art"
Ah yes, the boomer thesis. We have dismissed this claim.
It's sad because "boomer" isn't even an exaggeration. It actually IS a boomer thesis. It's that fucking old. Teachers in the 90's were saying it and are literal boomer age (50-70y/o currently). Dismissed or not, they keep trying REALLY hard to make it a thing.
@@zhawkmoth3653 I think it's just a jealousy/stubbornness thing. I'm an illustrator and many of my professors actually used anime examples in class usually praising the backgrounds/angles/lighting. I remember one was in love with studio Ghibli films and took ever chance he had to use it as examples, he even recommend some anime to a few students to inspire their creativity. He was in his 60s, I really think it's just a fine artist thing. There upset they aren't as successful as most main stream artist for lack of a better term.
thank god my mom wants me to draw anime 💀
who knew that drawing and animating a tv show or movie was not an art form?
not me that's for sure
*We did it boys. Animators and Manga Artists are no more.*
『Rekter.』 *lemme just disappear real quick*
@@lederps
While you’re at it, as I’m both, I’ll just Thanos snap my way on out of here.
THEY ARE SECOND CLASS NOW
@@spacetacos7574 :(
WhO kNeW tHaT MaNgA tHaT TaKeS 5-6 HoUrS pEr PaGe WaSnT aRt
edit: Lots a people are saying that 5 hours in less than they thought, it was just an estimate I have seen alot of comic/mangakas only work on 5 hours per page so yeah but theres alot of process in a manga
just 5? wow it less then i thought, good to know
@@Saren_5 for a *really* pro artist, it only took less than 2 or 3 hour per page. They have to keep up with schedule and deadline, and some technical meeting with the editor.
I think in the beginning mangaka are expected to do a panel within 2 minutes, but for manga like Berserk it takes way longer. I can belive that 5-6 is a good estamate for most manga
@@dannyboygregory-mccormick9157 a panel in 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙪𝙩𝙚𝙨? Bro that’s impossible for _any_ artist, no matter their skill level
@@cr4zy_cycl0n3 it varys ofc. typically doesnt include backgrounds or effects because those are added later on the computer. But I have seen manga artists do drawings within a 2-3 minute timeframe it's beyond impressive.
I say "just draw" whenever I hear someone pussyfooting around the fact that they don't like being bad. people that say "oh, but but but I can't draw, I wish I could be good at it" and they are so in their head that they think it's not even worth trying
that's where you just fucking draw. I used to complain like that shit too and it aggravates me now to see others saying the same things. you're not getting anywhere, all you're doing is wasting your time complaining. use the time you're wasting complaining that you can't draw to actually just do it. if you never have any fun at all, it's probably not a skill worth developing. if you find enjoyment in it, then just do it!! get yourself into that headspace and know that everyone CAN be good at it and just draw to have fun. it is so much easier to get better at something you enjoy doing versus something you don't.
plus there's a billion other hobbies to try if you find you just don't like art, and I hold that philosophy in everything else too
Thank you for this!
Your comment somehow make me motivated to learn stuff//!!
Like i was so bad playing game and keep complaining.
IKR. Sometimes that advice is really good for a kick in the ass.
I have SOOOOOOOO many people around me who see me drawing and then groan and complain and whine about how they can't draw and how they'll never be good at it.
Like how tf did you think I ended up here with this sketchbook. People aren't born with the knowledge of how to scrawl a human body on a piece of paper with a stick of graphite, you have to actually DRAW to get anywhere with it
A lot of those people then go on to complain that saying "just draw" is bad advice, but sometimes I really feel like it's more useful than most people chalk it up to be. It motivates you to actually get started, and then if you enjoy drawing, your skills can develop naturally just from drawing what you enjoy. Obviously being more specific about which fundamentals to learn and all that is useful too, but for absolute beginners, that's all worthless if you hardly know how to work a pencil in the first place or if you have no idea what you want to draw even if you did learn the fundamentals.
For real though this happened with me so many times
There's a lot of "bad" advice that actually isn't bad but just incomplete or unnuanced. Too many favor delivering things in short, snappy one liners or tl:drs over properly articulating the idea behind their advice.
@@fatalblue oh of course! nobody should ever say "just draw lol" and leave it at that. it's a closing/opening statement for a longer explanation of why you shouldn't overthink your own skill level and decide something isn't worth it prematurely
As an elementary art teacher I’m proud that I have avoided all of these ridiculous bad “tips”. 😊 loss of creativity snd self-confidence are my worst fears as a teacher in general.
“Anime is not art”
“Fan art is not art”
*Are you saying that I’m not allowed to draw fanart of Nezuko because I won’t accept that*
It's literally called "fanART" and there are people out there saying's it's not art. Like?
ART IS NOT ART
I must admit: I am an artist, and once I said to another artist “don’t draw only human, try to mix it with other stuff”.
On one hand, I understand that you draw what you like, and forcing to do other stuff is wrong, but when I see artist draw one pose and one face/body type over and over again, I worry that its gonna be persons “comfort zone”, avoiding challenge and learning.
You are one of the people who can give another artist the right advice ... 😭♥️ That's right tho a good advice is to make someone get out of her/his comfort zone and i know some artist are Scares get out of their comfort zone ... But like you say "try to mix it with other stuff " it's really worked ... Bc for me it means *mix it* with something that inspire you or influence you and it Will make you good in pose , face , structure , body shape, etc ... And finally you Will have *art* that you really desire
When my new sketchbook order arrived, i had been debating for a while what to put on the cover. maybe a doodle, maybe the start date. but in the end, i put a quote that pushes me repeatedly to not get scared of "messing" my art because drawing is a skill, and I can just do it again.
"The comfort zone is a nice place to be, but nothing ever grows there."
I dont recall where i picked up that quote, but i think it matched pretty well with what you were trying to say
This is me right now lol
Yet many of the 'art' channels on RUclips are exactly this - some kid drawing the same big-eyed, swollen-lipped girl or the same furry fantasy creature they've drawn since they were 12.
@ArtistGuitarist Maybe, I was able to pick up drawing figures, gestures, expressions fairly young, all I did was read comics and draw as a kid.
I always had more trouble with less organic looking things, machines, cars, ships, stuff like that - for me there's a huge difference between just drawing a believable character in perspective and putting them into an environment.
It's a problem I still have, occasionally. Like a few weeks ago I'd drawn a scene where someone was hiding with a gun - I re-drew the gun several times before it looked right but the characters I had no problem with.
Then I thought about how little I'd actually studied and drawn guns in detail - even that is a whole can of worms being from the UK, I've seen about 3 guns in my life - look up references, so many designs, styles...a whole world of mechanics and jargon I know zero about.
It never ends, really.
I believe criticism is more telling what's good and what's lacking, rather than just what's lacking. Insults are the ones where only bad things are said. With criticism, I want to be aware of good and lacking things at the same time, that way you can just focus on those more. So when you're giving art advice to a piece, *POINT OUT the things that appeal good.* I feel like that way, more artists that do feel hurt from statements involving something bad, can feel better motivated when they know what's good.
Also, if you really feel sad from criticism:
Change those feelings from sadness to anger! Like a badass anime scene where the protagonist is like,
*Oh, so you're challenging me? Well, if the linearts lacking I'll do A BUNCH OF CONTROL AND PRESSURE EXERCISES AHAHAHAHAHA AND I'LL OVERCOME MY WEAKNESS >:DDD*
Edit: So by a commentor (Jeffrey Thrash thank you) I feel like motivation is a better choice of word with anger, and makes you wanna do better.
“Determination” would fit better than “anger,” but otherwise I agree.
This stranger’s critique-it fills you with determination. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAVE?
I was feeling a ton of anxiety over my art because I’ve been drawing for like, two years, and I haven’t improved as much as I wish I would. Because of this I became crazy determined and now I draw _everyday_ I don’t hunk I’ve skipped a day yet without holding a pencil.
@Mute sure but the art community has gotten softer lately so it needs better build up and motivation to get back on track with real constructive criticism. And know what ur good at is useful, you’re aware of ur strengths and understand what you gotta do to improve your weaknesses.
Here this is more of a compliment sandwich type of critique. There is constructive criticism that just highlights what you've done wrong and how you can improve on it, which is good. And then there's saying "Your art sucks lol" and acting like you did something, which is destructive criticism or just plain insults.
"Anime is not art" just...get under my skin and my teeth are gritting like...oh god.
Yeah i really want to stab a person who say "anime is not art" 😈🔪
@@moonbiillust should I get the death ray?
Ok but this is literally my family when I draw, they think realism is the only valid art style out there
All my art teachers in university subbed me because i was drawing comics.
@@MohammedAgbadi comics art style is literally so fun
"don't use references"
Hirohiko Araki: what?
Araki's fasion magazines: 👁👄👁
The fact that I already know half the quotes because people used them on me already pissed me off. Just thinking about it bring back horrible memories.
Me: draws a character
My parents: oh you can be an architect
My mind: nani the f
I remember my mom says ' with your drawing skills, you can become... An architect!.'
And my mind just like '...But I want to become... An animator and artist' lmao
(Sorry for my bad english-ey
tho :p)
@@nothx13 i know right!
LITERALLY ME
like
*What makes you think that because I like to draw characters in fun scenarios/poses that I want to draw stagnant buildings for a living?...*
I think they only say this because it is a well-paying job that a lot of people know about.
Same
"Fanart isn't art"
"Don't use reference or copy other artist style"
Venetian artists: HOL UP!.....WAIT A MINUTE!
My art teacher from 8th grade told me many times that “anime isn’t art” I told her to “let me do my own thing” and she clearly didn’t like my response and stopped talking to me
_Art is art_
**The End**
"It's like telling a comic book artist to only learn three poses and then he only draws al of the characters in those three poses"
Hey, _those_ people are extremely necessary, because without them we wouldn't be able to get the barrage of advertisements of free flash games that all somehow look the same.
"Anime isn't art.."
Bruh, how about Tenki No Ko and Kimi No Nawa? They're literally a form of art, and made by the legendary Makoto Shinkai
Yup I totally agree with ya.
I used to draw real people for fun.
Now im not drawing real people at all.
Only:
• Anime
• Animals
• Other cartoon characters
• And sometimes just things that i see in real life (like food or flowers)
And for everyone that draws:
If u rly enjoy drawing then never give up on urself. I used to think that i was just bad at drawing and stopped. But then i began again cuz i enjoyed it and it didnt feel right to stop. So dont give up on urself if u enjoy it! :]
"Anime is not an art form"
me a weeb and draws anime: NANI KORE!?-
Same comrade
私、日本語の学生: これは何ですか？
same, fellow degenerate
*NANI THE F*
Basically artistic weebs are mad (actually all weebs)
Me: *Can perfectly understand his English
Also me: haha subtitle go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I'm the person that would give advice: don't use black to shade and white to make light until you understand the basics of how color works. because shadows are not just darker colors but they change for example more to blue. but when you understand that colors are changing and how they are changing you can use it.
PS. that advice works better in traditional art because you are mixing colors and by not using black your colors have more variations and they look much better.(always you can mix black using adders colors)
My stepmom had a personal vendetta against everything that made me happy. When I became hyperfixated on Mario she deemed it an "obsession" and banned any playing or discussing of it. She did the same with me drawing. She tried to prevent me from taking art at school because she wanted me to be a jock / "popular kid" instead even though I'm introverted and prefer being creative by myself. For years I had to only draw while at school and hide all my drawings in my locker, and give them to someone else to hide if my stepmom was coming towards my locker. Whenever she found them she destroyed them in the most furious way possible and then the next few days at home would be miserable. She definitely ruled by fear but she didn't succeed in changing me into what she wanted. I still draw to this day, mostly Mario fan art.
'Digital art is not real art, draw normally like everyone else.' Quote from my art teacher.
I actually got the "don't shade in black" tip, many many times. I was embarrassed at first but I started shading with other colors, more realistically. It honestly looks better now.
Simple man, I see leonardo da Vinci in the thumbnail, I click
Same
Davinki? 🙄
“Don’t use black for shading”
All Might: TEXES SMASH
"Artists don't use references" tell that to every artist ever. The Mona Lisa used reference!
And people who draw caricatures
@@kusuosaiki1508 and people who use nature as their reference
@@yashironene7904 yes
Fanart was the reason I saw my art genuinely improve and is my favorite form to express what I'm into!
I began gaining some recognition from peers after they saw my last work. It was the first time I put so much effort on certain parts I never did, such as the hair and no one had no idea that it was actually fanart for something I really liked
"Don't use art references"
Modammed: puts down phone
Ad: starts
I feel like it’s been forever bro! How you’ve been? Congrats on 200k!
I think with the black colour thing, it mostly refers to soft-blended art, and not say, cell-shaded one.
"Dont compare yourself to other artists" How am I supposed to improve then?
Mainly you just compare yourself to your past art, I mean, looking at other art for inspiration is one thing, but berating yourself for not being as good as someone who most likely has worked a lot longer than you will make you feel like garbage. If you never look back on your past art you will never realize how much you have improved, and that could easily put you in a funk.
Like how this person so calm and swear alot and says the words clean and neat qvq it motivates me👌
ikr
one of best art channel in yt 😌👌
When I was 12 years old my art teacher banned me (and a few others) from her class. She didn’t think that we were ŵorthy of her time as we weren’t up to what she considered an acceptable standard.
The whole "Dont draw fanart" Bruh, Fanart is the whole reason I got into drawing and it lowkey helps me improve
I think the best art advice I've ever heard is "Find something you enjoy, and do that thing" or any variation of that.
Techniques with a certain medium are always welcome too, like how to get smooth blending with markers, painting from the back of a picture to the front, how different layer types work in digital programs, etc. :)
"Realism is art"
Its like saying that the photographer should take his photo on fiction dimension
I needed this video man I've been feeling down on creating and learning lately. Listening to the bad advice in this video helped me realize that I've heard most of this all my life and I need to be more free with what I create.
You got this! you honestly can do anything you want to, as long as it's creative and you are comfortable making art you like. the only rules you should obey to improve are the important fundamentals of art. Once you understand them, you can break them at will
@@MohammedAgbadi Thanks bro I really appreciate it!
"Never draw with any drawing tools, it just proves you're weak and need assistance to make art."
REAL Men™ claw into their own skin to make art!
Late to the party (thanks YT algorithms), but my high school art teacher almost turned me off of art completely because she was insistent that there were only certain ways you could do art. And she would pick favorite students based on who listened to her, and shunned those who didn't (bet you can guess which category I fell into).
The thing she loved trying to drill the most into my head was the idea I couldn't use harsh lighting/shadows effects. It all has to be gentle. Because as we all know, dramatic lighting doesn't exist and I wasn't doing exactly what she had commanded we all do and use photo references for our realism because anime isn't art.
So naturally, I only ever did art of people in dramatic lighting until I finally left her class for engineering, stopped doing art for awhile, and finally got back into it on my own and have been learning a lot from the people of YT lately.
"Anime is not art"
Manga creators: *whomst has summoned the ancient one?!*
Heyyyy just wanted to say thank you so much for putting subtitles! English is not my first language, and it makes it easier to understand what you’re saying! This video was great and I lost some of the ideas I had in my mind
I’ve come to the point where I just vibe and do whatever I want with my art. If I feel like I need to practice in something I’ll do some real life drawings and go back to random doodles.
I think the stigma around using black for shading comes from traditional painting. Most "pure black" paints you find still have just a tiny bit of blue in them, making them a little colder. So if you use one of those in a "warmer" painting so to speak, it can mess it up a lot.
That's just from what I've been taught, I'm probably dead wrong lol. Either way, the "tip" really doesn't translate well to digital art, or anything other than painting.
In terms of fine art, they're saying even the darkest color isn't solid black.
200k Congratulations!
Well deserved!
Anime is not art?! Gathers the army, let me find my sword quick.
I have my knife (*^0*/)
I've heard about "fanart isnt art "and "dont use black in shading" in an art school. From an ART SCHOOL TEACHER. Glad I took them with a grain of salt.
"stop being scared" is probably the best advice I got.
"Black can't be used for shading"
Looks at Breccia.
Looks at the history of comic.
Y....yeah
I went to art school and I can't tell you the amount of advice that I was given that is literally the opposite of what makes you popular online. "Don't draw the same thing over and over, don't draw the same face over and over, copy reality exactly." Also, one thing I'm noticing recently is that in my drawing classes GESTURE drawing was HEAVILY emphasized. I became very good at it and was praised for my linework. HOWEVER, gesture drawings are not completed images! They are an amazing base to use for your art piece, but a gesture drawing is not a completed piece. Now I am struggling with my art because every time I draw something, the drawing looks good so I think I'm ready to color it. WRONG. I go to add color, and realize my lines are not ready for color yet. I am actually better at painting at this point than drawing because I was never taught in school how to take a DRAWING and COMPLETE it with color and everything. Just another thing I need to learn on my own. Sorry just a rant. Thanks for listening. :) Love your videos Mohammed!
The between step is fairly simple. You find the more central line between your sweeping lines and usually pick that one to solidify. Like all parts of learning to draw, it takes a little practice to develope.
@@NecrochildK I am working on this. Thanks! :)
@@16ShiningUmbreon I wish you much luck and enjoyment of it and hope you can find the improvement you're hoping for.
where worst art tips come from:
-people who can't draw and doesn't understand art.
-Parents/relatives/teachers from the late century who are still learning modern things.
-People who only care about how it looks like and only seeks perfection although it's not their art nor the ones who drew it to even experience the tough process before they start discouraging.
I'm currently 13 and been living mostly with parents and relatives mostly old people who keeps telling me that my art is bad (bcoz I randomly started drawing anime rather than stick people in my first time of drawing) because it's not realistic. And I understand because it's something new to them but it's still hard to get over things when you spent hours and years of practice only to get these comments. I hope everyone keeps improving in their personal works :)
Someone told me "people who mainly draw people aren't artist" what
Uh no
"Use Photoshop?"
Photoshop has a lot of tools. They're pretty cool. They don't make you better. I learned this the hard way over the course of several years.
I feel grateful I've never been given this type of advice in my artistic career. I think some the problem is that a lot of these advices aren't really advice, they're just personal opinions under the guise of advice. And I understand completely that art is subjective, but if you're going to give advice to newcomers, it's best to be objective as possible. This is harder than it looks because it art in itself has a lot of subjectivity. What I might find well-developed won't be the same to a general audience or even other artists, but I don't think that opinion should take precedent over basic facts.
"Anime is not art" is an opinion. I don't agree, but it's just not advice.
Saying, "I think expanding your interests outside of anime to help develop other skills" is an opinion too, but works better as general advice because you directly tackle an issue and tell people what can help them.
I had an art teacher that said, "I'm failing your sketch book because you used colour, sketchbook should have no colour!"
I remember one time I asked for critique on how I coloured an art piece, and the other artist responded with "You shouldn't be colouring your drawings yet because your proportions are all wrong." It really discouraged me at the time, even though I have never known a single artist who only learns one area then moves onto the next. I like to learn many of the aspects together.
My dad once told me that anime art isn't real art and I should start to draw realistically instead 🙃
It's still art but not realistically. Art isn't just about realism lol
“Anime is not art”
DAGA KOTOWARU!!
*_daga kotowaru_*
Nani? A jojo fan?
@Kreacher ho ho, youre just like me
Yes you should refuse
Nani kore? A jojo fan?
One of the things I really hate when I joined a few art groups on Facebook is people showing their art instead of actually helping.
I want to draw my own manga in the future and now I’m just obsessed with your channel lol. Good tips, good criticism, everything here will help me in the future. Love it ❤️
"If you don't put more than 2 hours a day you're not gonna make it"
@@deeperanddown If you're a student that want to become a professional or someone who's looking for a quick improvement yes that's partially true.
You got a point.
@@-kurow-7113 Me who only drew 10 drawings for the last 8 months:
*W H A T*
The Idea of “Don’t use black for Shading” comes from the idea that using black for shading makes the colors look dull and muddy. It also relates to trying to soft shade with black, of course it is totally doable, and it looks BEAUTIFUL with cell shading like in the examples provided. It’s a good start for beginners, as I used to do it, but my art teachers all say not to use it as a shading color, which is kind of annoying. A better tip is to say “If you are struggling with shading, it’s better to use a darker shade of the color as opposed to just black, as it doesn’t muddy the colors.” But again, plenty of people use black as a shading color and make it look wonderful.
Bruh, you are so nice.
Just in Jan 2021, there was an art competition during Lockdown in college organised by art club of college. And we received many amazing entries, and being an artist myself, especially an artist who is constantly under stress and negativity so constantly look to any form of art for feeling good. And i sent my digital fanart of Harlequin.
Didnt won which is no prob, but one thing which shattered my heart was when none of my friends took it seriously since a " fanart not realism " and even went to say that my art was just a laugh off, or a joke kind.
I seriously felt someone broke my soul, and i was stressed out for a week.
People need to understand that man, so good to see people like you exist.
Weird one I got from my Dad "Stop drawing guns so much. People will think you're a school shooter" definitely the confidence boost I needed at the time 👍