It is so wonderful to see Nate again. Shadiversity has not been the same without him. On the topic of a flaming sword, I don't think a sword just being on fire is going to make it more lethal. The blade would have to be hot enough to glow to get any real tangible benefits from the flame. But that alone would cause a whole host of problems.
@@TheSket Totally, it does look cool though, it would probably be absolutely terrifying in the battlefield. So what ends up happening is you need your enemy to run away or you just end up fighting with a sword shaped bar of metal.
This actually made me question how badly the heated blades in Rebel Moon would function. Though less distracting with no flames, the heat would surely affect the blade itself.!
We miss nate. This video made me smile from ear to ear like a fool. It's funny how we develop relationships with some creators-we don't know them personally, but if they disappear, we miss them, and when they reappear, they make us smile.
I wonder if the reason it performed better with a bevel than a sharpened edge is because of the softness of the steel, the sharpened edge being perhaps so small and weak due to the heat that it would just lose any effective edge too quickly. While on the other hand the bevel although not sharp its shape can be easily maintained so that what 'edge' it has isn't lost. Just a guess though.
You should test incandescent weapons next. There's a lot of glowing orange hot weapons in media, sometimes it's the whole thing, sometimes it's just the edge, though I don't really know how the later could be replicated IRL.
This man has the best job in the world. Thank you, for helping all of us Dads out there. Your videos have been pivotal to answering the random questions my sons as me. As a father, I pride myself on making my childing think I know everything. *"Hey Dad, if a sword is on fire would it cut better"* is a question I'm sure I've been asked countless times. This, as well as several of your other videos have allowed me to continue my façade of being the worlds most knowledgeable father.
a possible reason is that when the sword is blocked, the oil could fly into the enemy, burning their skin, the pain would weaken their body, giving you some advantage, or it could hit the eyes, blinding the enemy the heat of burning oil on your iron armor should be enough to make you protection become a oven, this would hurt and i can't imagine fighting while my skin burns
If you're doing a fire shield use pineapple skins for protection and coat the outside in a flammable substance. But pineapple is incredibly fire resistant
I feel like this requires a side by side fire bevel sword vs. plain bevel sword in order for a proper comparison. Would still be absolutely terrifying to be attacked by someone wielding a fire sword.
I'm signed about my fire sword you know limiting my own vision increasing my own visibility to potential enemy bowmen, making things more difficult for me to wield, limited in actual use case. I guess if you're inside in an environment that's not terribly damp with no fear of ranged opponents and rapid regeneration of the target is concerned you might have found a potential use case for them. Can't wait to see what Tyranth has to say here today. (And always nice to see the various guests/assistants).
it does have an intimidation factor to it. like imagine you're just some warrior in battle doing what warriors do, and then suddenly a guy with a flaming sword comes towards you. you'd think it's some demon from hell that has risen to claim your soul or something like that
Honestly I think the biggest advantage IRL would be the intimidation factor, much more likely to hesitate when it's a flaming anything coming at your head. Hesitation is death, it is known
in the Forgotten Realms books Obould (orc leader) uses flaming sword he's able to controll the intensity and position of the fire so at one point he used it to trick warrior-elf into losing his sword out of sight by removing flames from part of it and tbh it lookd like a legit move if you have that type of "magic" available
Another fantasticly entertaining video. Love the way you do these videos. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
Hello so I would like to suggest o weapon to test out and that would be the Halo energy sword another suggestion because the energy sword is an elite weapon maybe you could do one sword with a human handle and then the other one with the elite handle and your channel is so dope it honestly makes my day when you post a video
9:08 Testing that out on water bottles was actually VERY unfair, since water has an absolutely absurd ability to absorb heat. You could have put that bottle directly into a rolling campfire and it wouldn't burn until enough of the water had boiled out. Heck, before the invention of cooking vessels people used to boil things in hide stretched over a fire. Again it wouldn't burn at all as long as there was enough water in it.
if i may note, just to add this in here, on the meat, the blackening on the meat i don't think is charring, and instead just soot build up on the blade, rubbing off onto the meat.
Saw a design for a shield with a bellows and a torch. Soo could compress the bellows by bringing the shield in and throw hot ash and fibers a short distance
I feel a flaming blades main strength would be prolonged contact. Not laying against them, but something like 1-2 seconds of contact per strike. Sure your wounds would be partially cauterized, but the potential damage internally, with the heat preventing any proper treatment would be *crazy* with a heated weapon.
Another small thing is it is a torch at the same time. IE going into a cave in D&D you have your shield in one hand and your flaming sword in ther other you can still see and will not need a 3rd arm to hold a torch for light.
I mean, if anything, a flaming sword is more of an intimidation tactic than anything. If you see a dude charging at you and his sword is on fucking fire, you’re gonna wanna run the other way 🤣
For a flaming sword to be useful you would need 2 specific properties one the flame can not touch the blade or there is a constantly supply of fresh fuel. A old stage magic trick of setting your hand on fire for example uses plain old isopropyl of a high percentage. It is easy to put out and you know when to put it out as you will feel your hand getting warm. When you first light it your hand gets cooler as the hot air goes up and draws in cool air. So as long as there is always more fuel being added the blade will if any thing get a little cooler. And the second thing is the burning fuel needs to transfer from the blade to the target. You hit on those 2 things and even a slight glancing blow can become a very serious threat even if the blade does not bite in to flesh the clothing or gambeson could be lit on fire worse yet if it is under the armor and on fire by the time they get the armor off they are well and truly screwed and in mid evil times that would have meant death
The idea of using a fire sword not for adding to attack but for shock value/ distraction could be if not super useful at least narratively interesting. Or putting something like flour on the sword lighting it and then flicking it at your opponent before attacking as a distraction. Not necessarily useful but more logical than just hot sword. Tho I suppose at that point you could just throw sand at your opponents face.
I honestly think the majority of a fire sword’s advantage comes from fear and flinch. Even on a block, fire is going to rain on you from the other sword, it’s more about morale than actual damage. That of course means that landing a strike is easier, or getting them to shit their pants as you approach is giving the fire user an advantage to cause more damage more easily.
Hoping this doesn’t mean Nate’s departure was related to shad, but cool test! From a nerdy perspective, Game of thrones described the post-blade of a fire sword gimmick to be an absolute wreck, hence Gendry mentioning thy at the red priest bought many a blade and in bulk before Performing such a feat. That said, I imagine the “heat-metal” version of a flame sword to be the vastly superior of the two concepts. Outside of magical fire which frankly isn’t feasible. Any steel you “charged” red hot would likely warp on contact with a harder target but the damage for soft targets like the pool noodles or maybe even T-mats would be devastating. Keep it up T-Dog!
From memory, from their video saying goodbye to Nate... Nate left on good terms with all of them because he simply didn't have the time anymore. He got a different (corporate?) job that paid way more then Shad could possibly hope to pay... And even before that, Nate was only working with Shad part time. So, this video was probably Tyranth saying "hey, do you have a Saturday free?" and Nate just saying "yeah, I have this Saturday free".
I would like to see the damage comparison of the fire blade vs. Meat with, and without, the flames. I think the majority of the damage was just from the somewhat dull blade.
For comparison, I kinda want to see the fire sword used... but without fire. Could that sword profile do that same performance without the flame? It really does need that control comparison to better gauge if the flames actually did anything. Because, to me, it didn't look like the fire did anything except when the edge was rubbed against a surface or the swing was stopped in the material. Like the pool noodles... they started melting during extended contact, but the swings had brief contact. The pork on the other hand, swings would be stopped by it so the contact was extended and allowing the fire time to singe.
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1:16 "Swords are very effective at what they do so why would you need the fire" Well how else am I supposed to overcome enemy Regeneration huh?
Flaming sword users are so kind: they disinfect any wounds their opponents may suffer and safe their lives.
Well its not very nice of them to drop a safe on their lives.
If your flameswOrd cuts and carterize the wound, then your foe can’t complain about bleeding so much.
If your flameswOrd cuts and carterize the wound, then your foe can’t complain about bleeding so much.
@@BVidwatcher so true
They also hurt like hell. Morr than even a normal cut.
It is so wonderful to see Nate again. Shadiversity has not been the same without him. On the topic of a flaming sword, I don't think a sword just being on fire is going to make it more lethal. The blade would have to be hot enough to glow to get any real tangible benefits from the flame. But that alone would cause a whole host of problems.
I absolutely agree, why hasn't nate been on there for a while
I feel like fire on a sword would actually damage the integrity of the blade.
@@TheSket Totally, it does look cool though, it would probably be absolutely terrifying in the battlefield. So what ends up happening is you need your enemy to run away or you just end up fighting with a sword shaped bar of metal.
Nate had to get a normie job because of the ad money being really bad now. He got a good offer, so left for financial reasons.
@@Jimalcoatl thx
This actually made me question how badly the heated blades in Rebel Moon would function. Though less distracting with no flames, the heat would surely affect the blade itself.!
Oh yeah if it’s steel of any kind the heat will effect the blade however it does seem the heat itself does add some small amount of extra lethality
@@ScreenTested bro didnt even thank him for donating 😭😭
We miss nate. This video made me smile from ear to ear like a fool. It's funny how we develop relationships with some creators-we don't know them personally, but if they disappear, we miss them, and when they reappear, they make us smile.
That's just parasociality.
I think the primary use of a flaming sword would be intimidation factor. If it's not making your opponent scared its probably not worth it.
You know what I love about this channel. Yes the topics are awesome, the practice great fun, but its watching Tyranth living his best life is what.
Tyranth is the Prince That Was Promised: Azor Ahai.
Now all I need is to be King of the Andals and the Rhoynar, and the First Men and I’ll be set 😂
Nate, looking good! Thanks for the visit ❤
3:45
He's back baby!
Glad to see you
They are in the middle of winter while I’m sweating my butt off in Texas in August. Crazy world
I wonder if the reason it performed better with a bevel than a sharpened edge is because of the softness of the steel, the sharpened edge being perhaps so small and weak due to the heat that it would just lose any effective edge too quickly. While on the other hand the bevel although not sharp its shape can be easily maintained so that what 'edge' it has isn't lost. Just a guess though.
Was a cool fight scene in Ultra Violet! and Milla Jovovich is hot... pun intended! LOL
Always fun to see Nate appear on the channel 😊
13:33 You could say it's a "two-edged sword"
First thought, can you make an electric sword? One that won't shock the user?
put a tazer on a plastic rapier hilt
@@marcusc9931 I was wondering if using rubber as a wrap for the handle would work, and something to keep you from bumping the cross guard
Like a high frequency blade?
And call it “Shocker ? What is pro wrestling “ 😂
That would be extremely dangerous. To both you and your opponent. A few amps can stop hearts. One touch and you're done.
Dang I missed Nate, good to see him again
NATEEE!!! We miss you! And Australia and winter? Thats just any day in spring for the rest of the planet.
You should test incandescent weapons next. There's a lot of glowing orange hot weapons in media, sometimes it's the whole thing, sometimes it's just the edge, though I don't really know how the later could be replicated IRL.
You would need to make it from a giant ribbon of niobium or something. Not a cheap project.
@@Ithirahad Why niobium, of all things?
This man has the best job in the world. Thank you, for helping all of us Dads out there. Your videos have been pivotal to answering the random questions my sons as me. As a father, I pride myself on making my childing think I know everything. *"Hey Dad, if a sword is on fire would it cut better"* is a question I'm sure I've been asked countless times. This, as well as several of your other videos have allowed me to continue my façade of being the worlds most knowledgeable father.
In your last shadaversity video when you swing at the chain. The sounds you generate while swinging was pure majesty
I could imagine it having use if your opponent was doused in a flammable liquid
When it was in the background, that pool noodle looked like red hot metal.
A flaming spear seems to be more sensible than a flaming sword. No idea if something like that has become an iconic weapon in any kind of media.
I mean kinda spears can iconic like gungnir, and I would put that on fire so maybe it’s deserves a episode at some point haha
Not a wooden spear though
Messmer the impaler from Elden ring's recently released DLC.
a possible reason is that when the sword is blocked, the oil could fly into the enemy, burning their skin, the pain would weaken their body, giving you some advantage, or it could hit the eyes, blinding the enemy
the heat of burning oil on your iron armor should be enough to make you protection become a oven, this would hurt and i can't imagine fighting while my skin burns
edge alignment seems like a nightmare with so much fire
Also wearing a large fireproof mitt makes it a lot harder than it looks to feel the indexing haha
Thanks for the new video !!!😊
the one thing you didnt test was cloth lighting on fire.... I.e. tunics under armor and such.
Especially back in the day when the peasants clothes were likely oil sodden.
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I put this one off for a bit because he already did fire swords, but I'm glad I watched it now. I loved that he had a special guest on this one.
Cool to see Nate back for a video!!
0:46 Tyranth, it's like you're looking into my soul :)
2:09 Haven't been following the content for Alec Steele for a while, but I'm glad he's being recognized
Great test, glad to see Nate join even if it was so you could use his fire sword.
You’re jazzy harmony tune is hauntingly sentimental and reminiscent of my 90s childhood lol
If you're doing a fire shield use pineapple skins for protection and coat the outside in a flammable substance. But pineapple is incredibly fire resistant
I feel like this requires a side by side fire bevel sword vs. plain bevel sword in order for a proper comparison. Would still be absolutely terrifying to be attacked by someone wielding a fire sword.
I'm signed about my fire sword you know limiting my own vision increasing my own visibility to potential enemy bowmen, making things more difficult for me to wield, limited in actual use case.
I guess if you're inside in an environment that's not terribly damp with no fear of ranged opponents and rapid regeneration of the target is concerned you might have found a potential use case for them.
Can't wait to see what Tyranth has to say here today. (And always nice to see the various guests/assistants).
it does have an intimidation factor to it. like imagine you're just some warrior in battle doing what warriors do, and then suddenly a guy with a flaming sword comes towards you. you'd think it's some demon from hell that has risen to claim your soul or something like that
We truly love seeing Nate on here!!
would an ice sword, actually work, since elemental weapons are becoming a thing.
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Honestly I think the biggest advantage IRL would be the intimidation factor, much more likely to hesitate when it's a flaming anything coming at your head. Hesitation is death, it is known
Yay! Nate is back!
in the Forgotten Realms books Obould (orc leader) uses flaming sword
he's able to controll the intensity and position of the fire
so at one point he used it to trick warrior-elf into losing his sword out of sight by removing flames from part of it
and tbh it lookd like a legit move if you have that type of "magic" available
Another fantasticly entertaining video. Love the way you do these videos. Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
hi Nate!! also great work guys keep it up!!
A very nice video. Thanks!
5:39 "I'm not an expert swordsman"
Great to see Nate again.
Love seeing Nate again.
Hello so I would like to suggest o weapon to test out and that would be the Halo energy sword another suggestion because the energy sword is an elite weapon maybe you could do one sword with a human handle and then the other one with the elite handle and your channel is so dope it honestly makes my day when you post a video
Good to see Nate again.
Fire swords you say? Hm.
*watching intensifies*
9:08 Testing that out on water bottles was actually VERY unfair, since water has an absolutely absurd ability to absorb heat. You could have put that bottle directly into a rolling campfire and it wouldn't burn until enough of the water had boiled out. Heck, before the invention of cooking vessels people used to boil things in hide stretched over a fire. Again it wouldn't burn at all as long as there was enough water in it.
if i may note, just to add this in here, on the meat, the blackening on the meat i don't think is charring, and instead just soot build up on the blade, rubbing off onto the meat.
Saw a design for a shield with a bellows and a torch. Soo could compress the bellows by bringing the shield in and throw hot ash and fibers a short distance
I would have liked to see a comparison of a sharp sword on that frozen pork.
Ah, winter, that sounds great right now...
Have you thought of doing something like a Heat Hawk from Gundam?
Basically a self heating axe used by Zaku's and other Zeon mobile suits.
To solve the temper issue, use tungsten, you just need to figure out how to overcome the weight issue
I can't shake the feeling that the handle would start getting really hot as the blade heats up.
I think the idea was that extreme hot blade make it cut better, not fire itself.
I feel a flaming blades main strength would be prolonged contact. Not laying against them, but something like 1-2 seconds of contact per strike. Sure your wounds would be partially cauterized, but the potential damage internally, with the heat preventing any proper treatment would be *crazy* with a heated weapon.
Good to see nate again :)
Don't be a baby Tyranth,you're just having typical Scottish weather 🌧🏴
Tyranth just became Thundarr the barbarian.
Great vid!!! You should do the sword of Azrael from DC.
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A flaming sword at nighttime or in a dark place. Is like discharging a firearm in a dark place. You're gonna blind you yourself and your opponent.
Another small thing is it is a torch at the same time. IE going into a cave in D&D you have your shield in one hand and your flaming sword in ther other you can still see and will not need a 3rd arm to hold a torch for light.
It’s not a better sword bc it’s on fire, but it’s a lot more scary and intimidating
Makes me wonder if you’ll eventually test out Johnny Blaze aka Ghost Rider’s chains which are also on fire. 💀🔥🏍️
Flaming chains wrapping around an opponent (or whipping them) kinda feels way more effective than flaming sword.
Not sure if someone already said that but the blades of Karl Ruprecht Kroenen from Hell Boy maybe would be also an cool idea to make
Heyy!! The boys are back together!!
I mean, if anything, a flaming sword is more of an intimidation tactic than anything. If you see a dude charging at you and his sword is on fucking fire, you’re gonna wanna run the other way 🤣
OH MY GOODNESS!! I WAS NOT EXPECTING NATE TO APPEAR!!
For a flaming sword to be useful you would need 2 specific properties one the flame can not touch the blade or there is a constantly supply of fresh fuel. A old stage magic trick of setting your hand on fire for example uses plain old isopropyl of a high percentage. It is easy to put out and you know when to put it out as you will feel your hand getting warm. When you first light it your hand gets cooler as the hot air goes up and draws in cool air. So as long as there is always more fuel being added the blade will if any thing get a little cooler. And the second thing is the burning fuel needs to transfer from the blade to the target. You hit on those 2 things and even a slight glancing blow can become a very serious threat even if the blade does not bite in to flesh the clothing or gambeson could be lit on fire worse yet if it is under the armor and on fire by the time they get the armor off they are well and truly screwed and in mid evil times that would have meant death
The idea of using a fire sword not for adding to attack but for shock value/ distraction could be if not super useful at least narratively interesting. Or putting something like flour on the sword lighting it and then flicking it at your opponent before attacking as a distraction. Not necessarily useful but more logical than just hot sword. Tho I suppose at that point you could just throw sand at your opponents face.
I honestly think the majority of a fire sword’s advantage comes from fear and flinch. Even on a block, fire is going to rain on you from the other sword, it’s more about morale than actual damage.
That of course means that landing a strike is easier, or getting them to shit their pants as you approach is giving the fire user an advantage to cause more damage more easily.
Hoping this doesn’t mean Nate’s departure was related to shad, but cool test! From a nerdy perspective, Game of thrones described the post-blade of a fire sword gimmick to be an absolute wreck, hence Gendry mentioning thy at the red priest bought many a blade and in bulk before Performing such a feat. That said, I imagine the “heat-metal” version of a flame sword to be the vastly superior of the two concepts. Outside of magical fire which frankly isn’t feasible.
Any steel you “charged” red hot would likely warp on contact with a harder target but the damage for soft targets like the pool noodles or maybe even T-mats would be devastating.
Keep it up T-Dog!
From memory, from their video saying goodbye to Nate... Nate left on good terms with all of them because he simply didn't have the time anymore. He got a different (corporate?) job that paid way more then Shad could possibly hope to pay... And even before that, Nate was only working with Shad part time.
So, this video was probably Tyranth saying "hey, do you have a Saturday free?" and Nate just saying "yeah, I have this Saturday free".
Now make a water sword. A sword that has small holes and constantly leaks water from inside the blade. See if it lubricates the cut.
Hi Tyranth !!!!Fire swords are scary as f#@k !! Remember how scared the Hound was of it ? Yeah. Like that !
I would like to see the damage comparison of the fire blade vs. Meat with, and without, the flames. I think the majority of the damage was just from the somewhat dull blade.
For comparison, I kinda want to see the fire sword used... but without fire.
Could that sword profile do that same performance without the flame?
It really does need that control comparison to better gauge if the flames actually did anything. Because, to me, it didn't look like the fire did anything except when the edge was rubbed against a surface or the swing was stopped in the material.
Like the pool noodles... they started melting during extended contact, but the swings had brief contact.
The pork on the other hand, swings would be stopped by it so the contact was extended and allowing the fire time to singe.
Well maybe sharpen the sword?
Just a thought....
More of a bitch slapping flail than a sword, but bitch slapping with an object on fire has enough of a cool factor, although it's pretty hot.
That is one way to cook dinner
Fire doesn't add coolness silly, fire is hot.
Beginning to wonder if Nate and Shad had a falling out.
Everyone! Nate has come to see us.
Fire swords are just awsome!🔥🗡
Either way it Slices it still Slices
I think off hand torch wielding is better. swing that blinding thing in your enemy's face and still see where your own weapon is.
I would be curious to see what the bevel does alone for the sake of comparison
Your winter is definitely warmer than mine. Winter in my area involves six months of snow. Well, four now because of global warming.
You're welcome. 🌞
I think we can all agree that this is the exact reason why fire swords use magical fire. Cause normal fire swords is not the beast idea😂
The Hacksmith made a flaming sword and it was pretty strong
I'd say a fire sword can be very brilliant, if it is used correctly and specifically as a piercing weapon.