Great video Dave, thank you. Convinced me to want to go for the base model, ride the hell out of it and if I ever get that fast, upgrade the suspension later!
Hello Dave congratulations for your channel, you are very competent ! I'm a sportbike enthusiast who uses the bike just for track days in Italy, is it in your opinion the GSX-R1000R worth the 2000 $ difference ? (considering that since 2019 even the GSX-R1000 has the quickshifter). As an experienced amateur, would I appreciate the benefit of GSX-R1000R more refined suspensions ? Thank you
Hello Alessandro. Thank you for your kind words. I will be at Mugello for the GP race as a spectator, my first MotoGP race in Italy. Of the riders I know, all have found the base model GSXR1000R to be fast, capable and very stable. Those with the GSXR1000RR do not like the harshness of the front forks. I hope this helps you.
@@alessandromarino5924 eacgh manufacturer now offer versions for those that want better features. If you reverse engineer the price, you can often buy the parts for a lesser price when upgrading suspension etc. So I look at it with perspective.Thank you, I am sure Italy will; not disappoint.
Dave and Dave, Do you know how much travel the BFF has? I can't find it in the manual or online. I have 10mm plus the width of a zip tie to the bottom of the fork leg - Not sure if these bottom out with some chrome still showing? Thanks
Thanks Dave - I have about 15mm from the bottom of the dust seal to the fork base and measured 125mm fully extended so looks like have used almost all of the travel Thanks again
Hi Dave just wondering when you going to be back again to do suspension around sac or Fairfield area, i need to do my r1 and q couple of my friends needs suspension settings also
HI Dave and Dave I rechecked my sag and I’m now at 40mm at the back Should I be aiming for around 30-35mm? How many turns if preload approximately would reduce it from 40 to around 35? Thanks again
If you use all your shock travel (check visually or via dirty/clean), then yes you might need to reduce to 35mm. If so there's no linear relationship between every shock spring and 1 turn of preload as they are all different rates. General starting point would be +2.5 turns.
Thanks Dave I didn’t want to lose the little amount of static sag I already have so went with 1.5 turns and that measured 35mm though the bike had cooled down a bit by then so not sure what difference that will make. Will the rebound be effected now the spring is under more tension? Thanks
Your probably the only guy that can answer this question. Do they 2017-2022 gsxr 600/750/1000 BASE models all have same rear suspension. I have vortex lowering links that say it fits 17-22 gsxr 600/750… but ive heard 1000 and 750 are the same…. Will it work
2017 GSXR 600 part # is 62100-14850-019 ABSORBER ASSY. 2017 GSXR 750 part # is 62100-15870-019 ABSORBER ASSY. 2017 GSXR 1000 part # is 62100-17820-019 ABSORBER ASSY. In appearance they look the identical. The question of the moment is are they all the same length eye to eye. Searched for 30 minutes - was not successful. Probably the wrong search query. If I recall correctly, TekNik had a great shock length database.
@@catalystreactionsbw man you are amazing first of all. Ive been looking everywhere for days. With no information. I think im going to just install the part and document it lol worse case reinstall oem part back. The base 1000 and 600 shocks to me look the same. Im going to look check out teknik and see if i can find something on it. I know that suzuki will make new part numbers that supersede the old ones but are the same fit. I found that out when replacing a gasket adapter for the exhaust pipe.
@@miamimotogroup5371 The key part is the eye to eye length. Suzuki is great about keeping things the same so I think this could be the case with these shocks.
Howzit Dave, I have the same gixxer with BPFs and although my preload is perfect I'm still baffled about the ride quality, it's like the ride is too hard for the road, but too soft under braking, please can you give me a pointer on this one?
How old is the fork oil? Does this feeling change between cold and hot oil or first 20 minutes of the ride to 45-60 minutes. You might simply be noticing viscosity difference cold to hot.
Hello Mr Dave....may i know is GSX-R K9 750 engine fit in K8 600 chasis??..I found a 750 K9 engine in my local place and didn't know is it fit..I just blown my K8 600 engine and now I need to replace it...and can you list what other model that fit in the K8 600 chasis?..your answer help me a lot
2008 frame is part # 41100-02H10-YAP. and the 2009 frame part # is 41100-02H10-YAP so that would suggest the frames are identical therefore the engine should swap.
Joined FREE PREMIUM but can't find the full version of this video. The search bar on your website isn't any help. Can you link me to the full version please
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. You must be a Monthly or Annual Subscriber to watch the full video. davemosstuning.com/2-clicks-out-gsx-r1000-vs-gsx-r1000r-suspension-setups/
Williams again. Sorry for the trouble. I just accessed it via my user account which I use to test the site. Only the RUclips trailer will load if you just have the Free membership. Everything on RUclips (including all Freemium Full Length vids) is Freemium content on the website along with tons of Freemium articles written by Dave Moss. If you have a Monthly or Annual membership you'll also have access to all the Premium content, in which case log in and search "GSX-R1000" and it should be the 3rd video listed. Click on it. If the RUclips player loads instead of the Vimeo player with the full video, refresh the page and it should load. That has been a problem in the past.
Dave - have you any experience of the BFRC shock on the 1000R leaking or failing? My shock just failed after 3200 miles and literally 1 year almost to the day. Lost all its oil. At the dealers now hopefully for a replacement
Dave Moss Tuning yes very strange - bike has never been in the rain and it cleaned after every ride so I don’t expect dirt in the seals. The bike felt like it had a puncture and when I pulled over to check the linkage and shock was absolutely covered in oil and there was a puddle on the floor! Not sure where it’s leaking from but I managed to ride it to the dealers
So I've been through the the showa BFF forks now- I am completely disappointed with the BFF forks! The upper bushing, is too narrow for start! Half the width of the lower bushing and is not full round! The lower half of the fork is non serviceable WTF! The compression and rebound portion is a sealed pressurised setup, so the fork oil is only for dampening and is actually a dump and run capable type setup- fyi.... The upper bushing on my forks had gotten hot! Where the gap in the bushing is, which led to it's failure, or being out of tolerance over size, soon as I took the wheel off I could feel the fork tube wiggle lateral to it's travel. (Could hear it click when moved side to side even!) Bushings are a factory part still which sucks... Lastly the need for special tools isnt really true, the tool to hold the damper tube is a must, but the spring can be depressed by hand enough to slip the retainer under the jam nut that holds the preload adjust and cap to the rod- I am going to replace these with an ohlins fork-
Dave, what is a good base setting for sag to aim for on my gsxr1000r with and without rider? The bike has not static sag out of the box whatsoever Cheers
Well I’d say it’s ignorant what you are saying about the RR version. It’s “Race Ready” obviously as it is better equipped for the track out of the box.
@@jeffreyhinman1397 Dave Williams, ignoramous, replying here. I know, I know. It's violent humor. Terrible stuff, that mocking. Just terrible. Where's my time-out chair? I know it's around here somewhere... Ah, found it. Mom put it in my safe space for me. Love that woman.
Dave Moss Tuning and do you know why Suzuki doesn’t have an gsxr1000rr because there’s the gsxr1000 and the track version which is the 2019 gsx-r1000r. That’s Suzuki’s RR version. Still learning everyday aren’t you son? Buy you books and take you to school.
Funny thing is, the base model is the track-focused one. Suzuki listened to its track ridding customers and they asked for it because, as Dave said, that front fork will get you really close to lap records, because the track crowd knows how to work with it. Both are fantastic.
@@kentowers2802 I was touring for the first 3000miles.... With gear, I am 140lbs so it needed it. Currently, just measured it I have 1" exactly of sag when I sit the bike-
Great video Dave, thank you. Convinced me to want to go for the base model, ride the hell out of it and if I ever get that fast, upgrade the suspension later!
Most prefer the base model as it is easier to dial in :)
YES, been waiting on this video. Dave, thee man when it comes to suspension!! Thank you sir, for everything you do.
Hello Dave congratulations for your channel, you are very competent ! I'm a sportbike enthusiast who uses the bike just for track days in Italy, is it in your opinion the GSX-R1000R worth the 2000 $ difference ? (considering that since 2019 even the GSX-R1000 has the quickshifter). As an experienced amateur, would I appreciate the benefit of GSX-R1000R more refined suspensions ?
Thank you
Hello Alessandro. Thank you for your kind words. I will be at Mugello for the GP race as a spectator, my first MotoGP race in Italy. Of the riders I know, all have found the base model GSXR1000R to be fast, capable and very stable. Those with the GSXR1000RR do not like the harshness of the front forks. I hope this helps you.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you it sure does! that's kinda strange isn't it ? maybe is intended for professional riders ? Enjoy your stay in Italy :)
@@alessandromarino5924 eacgh manufacturer now offer versions for those that want better features. If you reverse engineer the price, you can often buy the parts for a lesser price when upgrading suspension etc. So I look at it with perspective.Thank you, I am sure Italy will; not disappoint.
2:59 He'd never focussed so much in a track session knowning Dave was going to eyeball his tyres afterwards. ;)
Dave and Dave, Do you know how much travel the BFF has? I can't find it in the manual or online. I have 10mm plus the width of a zip tie to the bottom of the fork leg - Not sure if these bottom out with some chrome still showing? Thanks
R model has Front wheel travel:- 120 mm (4.7 inches).
Thanks Dave - I have about 15mm from the bottom of the dust seal to the fork base and measured 125mm fully extended so looks like have used almost all of the travel
Thanks again
Hi Dave just wondering when you going to be back again to do suspension around sac or Fairfield area, i need to do my r1 and q couple of my friends needs suspension settings also
HI Dave and Dave
I rechecked my sag and I’m now at 40mm at the back
Should I be aiming for around 30-35mm?
How many turns if preload approximately would reduce it from 40 to around 35?
Thanks again
If you use all your shock travel (check visually or via dirty/clean), then yes you might need to reduce to 35mm. If so there's no linear relationship between every shock spring and 1 turn of preload as they are all different rates. General starting point would be +2.5 turns.
Thanks Dave
I didn’t want to lose the little amount of static sag I already have so went with 1.5 turns and that measured 35mm though the bike had cooled down a bit by then so not sure what difference that will make.
Will the rebound be effected now the spring is under more tension?
Thanks
Dave is so knowledgeable
I'm Impressed you know the PSI is too low from marks on the tyres I'm Fookin Impressed man! :)Knowledge is Power!:)
Thank you for Uploads very Informative Guys Thank You!
Your probably the only guy that can answer this question. Do they 2017-2022 gsxr 600/750/1000 BASE models all have same rear suspension. I have vortex lowering links that say it fits 17-22 gsxr 600/750… but ive heard 1000 and 750 are the same…. Will it work
2017 GSXR 600 part # is 62100-14850-019 ABSORBER ASSY. 2017 GSXR 750 part # is 62100-15870-019 ABSORBER ASSY. 2017 GSXR 1000 part # is 62100-17820-019 ABSORBER ASSY. In appearance they look the identical. The question of the moment is are they all the same length eye to eye. Searched for 30 minutes - was not successful. Probably the wrong search query. If I recall correctly, TekNik had a great shock length database.
@@catalystreactionsbw man you are amazing first of all. Ive been looking everywhere for days. With no information. I think im going to just install the part and document it lol worse case reinstall oem part back. The base 1000 and 600 shocks to me look the same. Im going to look check out teknik and see if i can find something on it. I know that suzuki will make new part numbers that supersede the old ones but are the same fit. I found that out when replacing a gasket adapter for the exhaust pipe.
@@miamimotogroup5371 The key part is the eye to eye length. Suzuki is great about keeping things the same so I think this could be the case with these shocks.
@@catalystreactionsbw i will let you know how it goes.
Howzit Dave, I have the same gixxer with BPFs and although my preload is perfect I'm still baffled about the ride quality, it's like the ride is too hard for the road, but too soft under braking, please can you give me a pointer on this one?
How old is the fork oil? Does this feeling change between cold and hot oil or first 20 minutes of the ride to 45-60 minutes. You might simply be noticing viscosity difference cold to hot.
Hello Mr Dave....may i know is GSX-R K9 750 engine fit in K8 600 chasis??..I found a 750 K9 engine in my local place and didn't know is it fit..I just blown my K8 600 engine and now I need to replace it...and can you list what other model that fit in the K8 600 chasis?..your answer help me a lot
2008 frame is part # 41100-02H10-YAP. and the 2009 frame part # is 41100-02H10-YAP so that would suggest the frames are identical therefore the engine should swap.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you very much..im your follower from Malaysia btw..love your channel
Joined FREE PREMIUM but can't find the full version of this video. The search bar on your website isn't any help. Can you link me to the full version please
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. You must be a Monthly or Annual Subscriber to watch the full video. davemosstuning.com/2-clicks-out-gsx-r1000-vs-gsx-r1000r-suspension-setups/
@@catalystreactionsbw Dave, it's the same " Trailer" 5:30 video as above. Once I log in, it doesn't link to the full video.
Williams again. Sorry for the trouble. I just accessed it via my user account which I use to test the site. Only the RUclips trailer will load if you just have the Free membership. Everything on RUclips (including all Freemium Full Length vids) is Freemium content on the website along with tons of Freemium articles written by Dave Moss. If you have a Monthly or Annual membership you'll also have access to all the Premium content, in which case log in and search "GSX-R1000" and it should be the 3rd video listed. Click on it. If the RUclips player loads instead of the Vimeo player with the full video, refresh the page and it should load. That has been a problem in the past.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks
Dave - have you any experience of the BFRC shock on the 1000R leaking or failing?
My shock just failed after 3200 miles and literally 1 year almost to the day. Lost all its oil. At the dealers now hopefully for a replacement
Wow - that is very, very unusual. You are first that I know of to experience this failure.
Dave Moss Tuning yes very strange - bike has never been in the rain and it cleaned after every ride so I don’t expect dirt in the seals. The bike felt like it had a puncture and when I pulled over to check the linkage and shock was absolutely covered in oil and there was a puddle on the floor! Not sure where it’s leaking from but I managed to ride it to the dealers
@@kentowers2802 Two places - base of the shock through the oil seal most likely or out of the reservoir just under the seat.
Dave Moss Tuning dealer said it’s lost all its oil from the lower seal. Unsure of the cause but awaiting a new shock from Suzuki under warranty now
@@kentowers2802 like a fork, failed oil seal.
Gotta have that " big F n fork"
Come to Utah!
So I've been through the the showa BFF forks now- I am completely disappointed with the BFF forks! The upper bushing, is too narrow for start! Half the width of the lower bushing and is not full round!
The lower half of the fork is non serviceable WTF! The compression and rebound portion is a sealed pressurised setup, so the fork oil is only for dampening and is actually a dump and run capable type setup- fyi.... The upper bushing on my forks had gotten hot! Where the gap in the bushing is, which led to it's failure, or being out of tolerance over size, soon as I took the wheel off I could feel the fork tube wiggle lateral to it's travel. (Could hear it click when moved side to side even!) Bushings are a factory part still which sucks...
Lastly the need for special tools isnt really true, the tool to hold the damper tube is a must, but the spring can be depressed by hand enough to slip the retainer under the jam nut that holds the preload adjust and cap to the rod- I am going to replace these with an ohlins fork-
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the fork so that everyone can benefit.
Dave, what is a good base setting for sag to aim for on my gsxr1000r with and without rider?
The bike has not static sag out of the box whatsoever
Cheers
Basic level davemosstuning.com/2-clicks-out-shock-static-sag/
More comprehensive davemosstuning.com/fasterclass-shock-static-sag/
What is the height and where to are you measuring? Are you still using the bridgestones?
@@freelancerider100 Height is the length of the shock and position of the forks. Height is also based on the circumference of the tires.
Well I’d say it’s ignorant what you are saying about the RR version. It’s “Race Ready” obviously as it is better equipped for the track out of the box.
I’m certain you know this, and knowing that then mocking it in the video as if it’s complete nonsense. Misleading to riders that wouldn’t know.
@@jeffreyhinman1397 Dave Williams, ignoramous, replying here. I know, I know. It's violent humor. Terrible stuff, that mocking. Just terrible. Where's my time-out chair? I know it's around here somewhere... Ah, found it. Mom put it in my safe space for me. Love that woman.
Dave Moss Tuning and do you know why Suzuki doesn’t have an gsxr1000rr because there’s the gsxr1000 and the track version which is the 2019 gsx-r1000r. That’s Suzuki’s RR version. Still learning everyday aren’t you son? Buy you books and take you to school.
@@jeffreyhinman1397 Thx Mom!
Funny thing is, the base model is the track-focused one. Suzuki listened to its track ridding customers and they asked for it because, as Dave said, that front fork will get you really close to lap records, because the track crowd knows how to work with it. Both are fantastic.
My rear spring needed 21/2 turns
On 18 gsxr1kr
freelancerider100 did you go softer?
My R has no static sag at all
@@kentowers2802I have since loosened it back up-
freelancerider100 so you added 2 1/2 turns of pre load then went back to stock? My bike is really stiff at the back as standard
@@kentowers2802 I was touring for the first 3000miles.... With gear, I am 140lbs so it needed it. Currently, just measured it I have 1" exactly of sag when I sit the bike-
@@kentowers2802 yes I have 3/4 inch static sag right now and it's great!
No real comparison sucks!