I like how you did an objective review and let the viewer see the differences and similarities between both bikes instead of trying to see which was best overall - it's cool that we have the variety of bikes to pick whichever fits our needs the best 💯
What about weight, one of the most important measurements for off-road riders? The Talaria is over 25 pounds heavier than the Sur-Ron, and that weight negates a good bit of the Talaria battery's extra amp hours, making the battery comparison much closer. Also, you said that the Sur-Ron was "thinner" and "more nimble," which should be another point since this is an important consideration for off-road riding.
You nailed it man!… After talking to a couple of talaria owners who also owned Surron’s, I heard back that with the upgraded Gladiator Chi battery 60V/60Ah… The total new weight on the SurRon goes from 110 to 125 pounds… However the talaria comes in at 138 pounds STOCK. That’s a huge dealbreaker for me personally. Hope this information helps!🙏🙌
My KTM 380cc 2 stroke weight is 300lbs. I guess some of us know how to throw around a bike sp 25lbs don't make a difference. That's like the weight of my poop
@@josephfreeman5289 i agree, many people who are Looking to buy a sur ron have the road bicycle gang mentality when it comes to the weight so it shouldnt come out as a surprise Talaria looks like it can actually take a beating while sur ron looks cool and all but has thay "toy aura" around it, at least in my experience.
@@mikkelkirketerp4884 Brother. Its the exact same generic horn. What are you smoking? I’m a multi-instrumentalist and I can assure you they are the exact same tone and pitch. Maybe you’re tone deaf?
😭😭 My brother in christ. You realize these bike companies buy a lot of their parts from the same manufacturers right? Or are you just naive? Ronster literally says “we’re looking at the same brakes, handlebars, front wheels, rotors, headlights, key ignition. The forks are random and you could get either set on either bike. So why tf would they then go through the trouble of getting a unique HORN of all things. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. They sound exactly the same. The Talaria was only a hair louder, but that could’ve just been due to how hard he pressed each of them.
Nice to see your comparison video, I have owned SURRON for 5 years and the Light Bee is a trusted product. I am happy to have it. TALARIA also looks good because it copied the SURRON concept, but the frame with the modified shape doesn't seem to have the simple design aesthetic of SURRON's frame. This bike design by SURRON is their concept from 7 years ago, shame on Talaria now in 2022 to replicate the concept of SURRON 7 years ago. There's always a bit of a knockoff feel to it. From China, there may be 10 or 100 factories replicas like Talaria‘s way in the future. SURRON is always original. The Light Bee model is SURRON, but SURRON does not only have Light Bee. Having competition is a good thing for consumers and may speed up the progress of SURRON's new generation of products.
gotta say as a sur ron owner i love the look of the talaria and kind of want to buy one (or atleast buy the frame and swap everything over if possible), slight change in the frame design looks beautiful and battery cover minimizing all the exposed area to the top of the battery. battery cable is a great idea but with the sur ron being a somewhat popular ebike to mod and already having a wide selection of custom batteries, not being able to use my 72v battery in it is a deal breaker because of the connector. :(
@@epicskidude3129 if the cable harness is the same as the sur rons then it would be possible to just use the harness from the sur ron to swap that cable. Seeing as its a different motor i'd assume they might also be using a different harness with different connections there as well. I wouldn't trust myself soldering a new connector on it with the amount of power going through them, don't want a flame throwing timebomb between my legs if I were to mess up and not know about it until its too late.
I went Sur Ron x my next upgrade is 17 in wheels . . These are more fun due to how many upgrade options available. 45 mph right out of the box very little needed to do 73mph top end with the same motor. Bike weight 105
Great review! Thank you very much for it. Just a side note the power increase significantly on the Talaria after 4-5 battery cycles. Also, the OEM gearing as you tried (44T) is a little bit taller than Sur-Ron. With the equivalent sprocket ratio the peak power of the Talaria is higher from 0-30 but over this speed the Sur-Ron have a little bit more snap we agree especially on throttle response.
@@OregonMotorcycle I looked your videos and i am 99% sure your bike have the old programmation. You should confirm with your dealer because the update we did improve it a lot. All the 2021 need to be reprogrammed by the dealer (look if you have N or M in your VIN (M =2021 and N = 2022). You can send us your controller if you want and we will dot the update for you. I am even sure the Talaria in this video is not updated too otherwise you wouldn't see much difference with the Sur-Ron. It would be more snappy from 0-20 and then very similar but we all agree here that at high speed the Talaria have a little bit less throttle response.
@@ebikezilla1383 Will the acceleration curve of the Talaria be reprogrammed soon as well, to match more the Surron curve? Currently as Surronster says it's very snappy at the beginning, but after that it loses that snap real quick.
@@joshuaedwards3522 have you ridden the surron? If so which would your prefer? I was about to choose the surron just because he was experiencing poor throttle response so thank you
@@Westo_ire Go with surron, all in all, only go with Talaria if you are super tall really. If not Surron is the way to go, BUT. Can't go wrong with either.
As someone who has owned both bikes I can 100% say the surron is way better, the only thing I do prefer on the talaria is how much more the battery lasts and how your legs hug the bike more
No way 😂😂 Talarias way better g had both and Surron sounded rattly, not as much power, uncomfortable, not as wider arches for bigger wheels, not got a 2 in 1 plug, Talaria looks nicer aswell 😂
All of my buddies have tried both and we all like the surron more. Smoother power, the bike frame is better and makes you feel in complete control. Better suspension and it feels lighter too
Hopefully a larger rear sprocket on the Talaria will help give it more mid range. I was under the impression Talaria had a 48 tooth sprocket like the Sur-Ron but it came with a 44 tooth. I have a Warp9 52 tooth I will be installing. My heart sank a little when you said it was hard to wheelie, isn't that a big factor in why we buy these things? I've seen Sur-Rons bashed beyond belief and still going strong. The Talaria has a lot to live up to.
Had an option to buy either one and went with surron then seen this video afterwards and it validated my choice 💨💨🔥🔥 thanks for the vid drop look forward to more!!
Build one, buy the parts one at a time... Ali express has some nice frames, I built a 2 wheel drive ebike with 7kw of power and I stayed on the low end for controllers and battery voltage 48v..... however I did build a custom battery pack with Samsung 40T cells so i could fit 2 batteries inside the frame... with a discharge of 175 amps each... over 300 amps total discharge capable... ^^ 20 amp hours each... if your going to run Motorcycle tires, Shinko 520 series are nice.
Midwest channel in Indiana coming soon , but I’m actually a skateboarder and crazy athletic , adrenaline junkie !! So you gunna seee a diff side of how to ride a E bike :p haha 😛 Lego with the work I do - goals to start making 5-10grand a week so only a matter of time before I get one !!! 🤠🌞🎒📦🙌🏻👍🏻🤙🏻❤️🔥😛👋🏻👍🏻🤙🏻 I need to figure out , how I can get a sur ron that goes 60 or above mph or how to modify it though ! I need more than 45mph …. I think 😝 I know there’s a ebike coming or out after the light bee but idk if I like that look , if I saw it right it looked more like a dirt bike and not it’s own machine
I picked up a talaria a couple weeks ago and I love it! I love the Sur Ron as well but went with the talaria because it sits higher, I liked the throttle snap and that it's beefier. But really, you can't go wrong with either bike! I still need to put it through it's paces and see what I really think down the road but I just can't wait to ride. Winter in Utah needs to be over!
@@KettlesVids Same. I like to just cruz around the neighborhood or go to the nearby park and hit the jumps in the woods and ride where i'm not supposed to.. I'm up in AF and its pretty good here in Utah.
@@zacklemon4195 I know the exact place you are talking about. I used to play paintball there… fun stuff! You should check out the trails up on the mountain in cedar hills.
@@KettlesVids How are you liking the talaria for mtn riding? Considering getting one for technical mtn trails here in WY. Curious on range and if I need to be looking at swapping a sprocket for steep mtn trails where you want crawl more than speed
Great video showing some key differences. Interesting point about the price though. Here in Canada the Talaria is significantly cheaper than the surron by about $750 CAD. I sold my surron last year and decided to try the talaria based on the price and minor upgrades. We'll see how it goes once I get it.
@@aa-vn7ri I know the output power is rated the same, because the actual BLDC motor inside the gearbox assembly is identical. I'm more interested in the durability of the gearsets inside the transmission, versus the tried and true (yet clunky) sur Ron setup with the jackshaft and chain drive conversion
@@joseandrade6727 it’s in the gray area for now. no license or registration because it’s an electric bike. surron and talaria can be equipped with a pedal kit which makes it a bicycle with “pedal assist”. I ride on the streets 53-45mph mostly and never been bothered by the cops.
I’m confused at what models are new and what’s outdated. I just watched a video from 3 mo. ago on surron models and they listed the LBX, ultra bee, and storm bee F. They made no mention of the surron x.
If the Talaria really wants to compete with the sur ron it needs a 72 volt battery, not a 60v. Then again maybe it doesn't make that much of a difference on a real world track scenario which we unfortunately didn't see here.
Best comparo I've seen on these 2 bikes. As a new Sur Ron owner, I have no complaints and no desire to get something else. Such a great value......my cousin recently purchased a E-MTB with 250 watt pedal assist for over $5000 used.
@@jlove24 I had in my shop the Turbo LEVO SL 240watts €7,000 one of the best EMTB of 2022. Pedal assisted Max speed is 25kph, range depends of body size and what mode you use. Most of my guests used turbo, Off road in the alps with some steep climbs range was about 20km for them some got longer out of it, I think max range is about 40km if you use the modes correctly.. These bikes are not designed to cover 100km the whole point of the Ebike is you have the battery there to help you when you are tired or steep part of the trail comes along and you are not fit enough top get up on your own power. Most of my guests would need the SUR RON to get them around the trails lmao.
Surron is the og. Talaria designer look at surron and improve everything they can. Surron lbx has good run for all these years and inspire bikes like talaria to exists and compete in the same price bracket. That alone worth lots of points to surron lbx imo 😝
He also gave wrong info, on forks… talaria does not come with KKE you can get dnm volcanos but after riding all three (RST, KKE, and DNM) the KKE was the best of the three forks.
@@nxdboi i rode fox 40s before and the new sur ron fork actually stacks up pretty great to it. (i know sounds crazy) but the design of the fork is whats doing it justice. an inverted fork is the better type of fork for a sur ron
@@nxdboi i had the volcano. it was a great fork. put it this way. it setup the fox 40s out of the box. put air in it and all that and i bottomed out on the fox 40s before i bottomed out on the kkes out of the box. i was blown away on how little of a difference the fox 40s did for the sur ron. it was a brand new 2022 model as well. on the road the fox 40s were more stable but on the jumps the fox 40s were just as good as any fork. mtb forks arent made for the sur ron weight so until someone develops forks or i put on a dirt bike fork i wont have the preformace im looking for. thats why i say kke is close because it does the job without bottoming out on the jumps to much and im pretty sure when i get moto wheels again itll feel just as stable as my last bike.(my last bike had a fox 40 and moto wheels. i have a new stock bike now). i never rode the manitou fork so i cant say whats that like. i would imagine its better than the fox 40s and i never compared the kkes to the manituo either
Its the same horn on both bikes. No points. The way the bike looks its is subjective (although i agree with you) No points The start button is a BIG safety feature 🙌 so point to the Talaria.
I just placed an order with Luna Cycle for a Sur Ron X. I made sure to give you a shout out in my emails with Luna! I’ve been searching for a fun outdoor hobby and the RUclips algorithm gods pulled through. Cheers!
Bro I know you love Sur Ron but, you are the best e-bike youtuber out there , I'd love if you started racing other e-bikes as a mean to compare them to the Sur Ron and not only e mountain bike but other type of e-bikes. That would help a lot of ppl like me who are undecisive on certain models . There is not enough of unbias review out there . other then that love your content bro keep it going.
Surron all the way !! As you know !! As a lot of things you mentioned, like grips, you can upgrade easy 😉 also surron is mad ass all the way Great video cheers buddy:)
I never even knew that headsets could have spacers on the bottom ,idk how that works with the bearing races , and the bottom is where all the leverage from the front wheel stoping is going to expend the most force like a crowbar
Was the controller updated on the Talaria for the throttle map? Not sure they're updating them at the factory but I know vendors like ebikezilla are updating the controllers to correct the throttle before shipping.
Sur Ron really need to update the Light Bee. More power, better battery, wider swingarm, battery plug, improved Jack shaft/design or gearbox would be great to see. But will they EVER update it?!
Its almost like the fun parts of a fast electric bike goes to sur ron and that gets traded with better smaller features with talaria, and if anyone is getting a bike like this its to have a ton of fun and to have that upgradability/ Sur ron foe the win!
Definitely love my Segway x260 black addition, but never rode the talaria bike yet but i can say looks make a difference and i love the look of the Segway x260 and wheelies?..yes segaway is good for that too
No problem with Sur Ron belts at all. It's a bit noisier, which I like, that whine sound. And it will need replacing after 2 or 3 years. Really..its not an issue as it's easy to change one. My Sur Ron is fantastic and I just published my Top 7 Mods video.
it would be nice if you could make a new video on the Talaria. Also because the problem of jerky acceleration you say was present only on some of the first models sent to America
Great video dude. I just got an emotobros controller for my Ron. I'm trying to decide on a battery now. How much of a difference power wise out of a 72v 38ah compared to 60v 60ah ? Anyone know?
Say you are pulling 100amps of current. The 72v battery is going to produce 7200 watts (9.65hp) and the 60v battery is going to produce 6000w (8.05hp).....BUT the 60v 60ah battery is going to have 3,600 watt hours of capacity vs. The 72v 38ah which will have 2,736 watt hours of capacity...which is considerably less capacity. If range is not a concern for you use case, and power is, then go for the 72v pack. Conclusion: 72v will result in more power, torque, acceleration, probably higher top speed as well. The 60v pack will have more range.
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I don't have either bike but I've watched hundreds of different videos on the SurRon and I really like how it has caught on over the years it's a Beautiful Iconic bike but the Talaria is New and groundbreaking in terms of gearbox and other new additions I do think it is as Beautiful as the SurRon is imagine both these bikes are the most sought after because they are so Freaking enjoyable to Watch perform tricks and shred and everyone seems to want one
Yo Bros, I live in the alps and have normally like 15min drive to work. 14km each way 28km daily. Thinking to buy one of these to get to work instead of using the car, The way i would get to work with one of these would be half off road, half on the the mainroads/side roads. I come in at 79kgs how many times a week would i need to charge one of these bike if i where to use it 7days a week going on the same path to work. I'm a downhill bike rider so i'd take this bad boy into the mountains also for rides... What issues should i look out for getting one of these, Service wise what to expect? are the easy enough to service alone? cheers for any info
how long it will take to charge each bike? and mileage forbeach songle charge? and do we have extra battery which we can carry and replace when necessary
Talaria has got some nice things going for it gearbox etc. but it needs oil changes! Looks are important to me & Sur Ron just looks considerably better, I'll save my "up-grade piggy bank" for a Stark Varg if all the hype pans out. meanwhile I'll just enjoy looking at my X Blanco edition S. R. nesting in my garage next to my well used 99 KLR650
I like how you did an objective review and let the viewer see the differences and similarities between both bikes instead of trying to see which was best overall - it's cool that we have the variety of bikes to pick whichever fits our needs the best 💯
Agreed, he was so considerate about everything
You guys are funny. Unless your serious, then I'm sure your paid off too....
What about weight, one of the most important measurements for off-road riders? The Talaria is over 25 pounds heavier than the Sur-Ron, and that weight negates a good bit of the Talaria battery's extra amp hours, making the battery comparison much closer. Also, you said that the Sur-Ron was "thinner" and "more nimble," which should be another point since this is an important consideration for off-road riding.
You nailed it man!… After talking to a couple of talaria owners who also owned Surron’s, I heard back that with the upgraded Gladiator Chi battery 60V/60Ah… The total new weight on the SurRon goes from 110 to 125 pounds… However the talaria comes in at 138 pounds STOCK. That’s a huge dealbreaker for me personally. Hope this information helps!🙏🙌
My KTM 380cc 2 stroke weight is 300lbs. I guess some of us know how to throw around a bike sp 25lbs don't make a difference. That's like the weight of my poop
My point exactly: I wouldn't want to ride my Sur-Ron while carrying your poop.
Stock Talaria is 135 pounds measured here ruclips.net/user/shortsqcHAK3mB_1Y
@@josephfreeman5289 i agree, many people who are Looking to buy a sur ron have the road bicycle gang mentality when it comes to the weight so it shouldnt come out as a surprise
Talaria looks like it can actually take a beating while sur ron looks cool and all but has thay "toy aura" around it, at least in my experience.
I've found u yesterday and I CAN'T STOP WATCHING YOURE VIDEOS!!!
Thats probably bc u want a surron or talaria (and he has great content), cuz thats why I watch his videos
Lmao 😂 he really gave a point away even know the horns are identical😂
Literally the exact same horn 😂😂
What are you smoking?
Most definitely not the same
@@mikkelkirketerp4884 Brother. Its the exact same generic horn. What are you smoking? I’m a multi-instrumentalist and I can assure you they are the exact same tone and pitch. Maybe you’re tone deaf?
@@gabrielbanna6725 i feel bad for you then.
You can clearly hear that they don't sound exactly the same.
😭😭 My brother in christ. You realize these bike companies buy a lot of their parts from the same manufacturers right? Or are you just naive? Ronster literally says “we’re looking at the same brakes, handlebars, front wheels, rotors, headlights, key ignition. The forks are random and you could get either set on either bike. So why tf would they then go through the trouble of getting a unique HORN of all things. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. They sound exactly the same. The Talaria was only a hair louder, but that could’ve just been due to how hard he pressed each of them.
Nice to see your comparison video, I have owned SURRON for 5 years and the Light Bee is a trusted product. I am happy to have it.
TALARIA also looks good because it copied the SURRON concept, but the frame with the modified shape doesn't seem to have the simple design aesthetic of SURRON's frame. This bike design by SURRON is their concept from 7 years ago, shame on Talaria now in 2022 to replicate the concept of SURRON 7 years ago. There's always a bit of a knockoff feel to it.
From China, there may be 10 or 100 factories replicas like Talaria‘s way in the future. SURRON is always original. The Light Bee model is SURRON, but SURRON does not only have Light Bee. Having competition is a good thing for consumers and may speed up the progress of SURRON's new generation of products.
Talaria were allowed to copy the bike a bit though cuz the guy in charge of Talaria was a Surron engineer
gotta say as a sur ron owner i love the look of the talaria and kind of want to buy one (or atleast buy the frame and swap everything over if possible), slight change in the frame design looks beautiful and battery cover minimizing all the exposed area to the top of the battery. battery cable is a great idea but with the sur ron being a somewhat popular ebike to mod and already having a wide selection of custom batteries, not being able to use my 72v battery in it is a deal breaker because of the connector. :(
same
Can’t you just swap connections
@@epicskidude3129 if the cable harness is the same as the sur rons then it would be possible to just use the harness from the sur ron to swap that cable. Seeing as its a different motor i'd assume they might also be using a different harness with different connections there as well. I wouldn't trust myself soldering a new connector on it with the amount of power going through them, don't want a flame throwing timebomb between my legs if I were to mess up and not know about it until its too late.
just cut and redo the connectors
@@Thrillowatt nice
I went Sur Ron x my next upgrade is 17 in wheels . . These are more fun due to how many upgrade options available. 45 mph right out of the box very little needed to do 73mph top end with the same motor. Bike weight 105
i just started watching you videos a week ago and now your the only youtuber i wanna watch
Great review! Thank you very much for it. Just a side note the power increase significantly on the Talaria after 4-5 battery cycles. Also, the OEM gearing as you tried (44T) is a little bit taller than Sur-Ron. With the equivalent sprocket ratio the peak power of the Talaria is higher from 0-30 but over this speed the Sur-Ron have a little bit more snap we agree especially on throttle response.
I thought mine was feeling a lil quicker after a few cycles ;)
Psttt.. ninja ship my Talaria. I won't tell anyone 🙂
Can you say this in a way I can understand 🤣 I didn't want to get a Talaria because of the snap, but if it goes away then I still am down to get it.
@@OregonMotorcycle I looked your videos and i am 99% sure your bike have the old programmation. You should confirm with your dealer because the update we did improve it a lot. All the 2021 need to be reprogrammed by the dealer (look if you have N or M in your VIN (M =2021 and N = 2022). You can send us your controller if you want and we will dot the update for you. I am even sure the Talaria in this video is not updated too otherwise you wouldn't see much difference with the Sur-Ron. It would be more snappy from 0-20 and then very similar but we all agree here that at high speed the Talaria have a little bit less throttle response.
@@ebikezilla1383 Will the acceleration curve of the Talaria be reprogrammed soon as well, to match more the Surron curve? Currently as Surronster says it's very snappy at the beginning, but after that it loses that snap real quick.
To fix the throttle curve problem you need to go in the settings and change the gear ratio to what you like.
Ohh cool, so is there like an iPhone app then?
@@joshuaedwards3522 Nope. its on the bike itself.
@@joshuaedwards3522 have you ridden the surron?
If so which would your prefer? I was about to choose the surron just because he was experiencing poor throttle response so thank you
@@Westo_ire Go with surron, all in all, only go with Talaria if you are super tall really. If not Surron is the way to go, BUT. Can't go wrong with either.
As someone who has owned both bikes I can 100% say the surron is way better, the only thing I do prefer on the talaria is how much more the battery lasts and how your legs hug the bike more
im tryna decide to get either talaria or surron but idk
No way 😂😂 Talarias way better g had both and Surron sounded rattly, not as much power, uncomfortable, not as wider arches for bigger wheels, not got a 2 in 1 plug, Talaria looks nicer aswell 😂
@@karmzyy6191thats literally the opposite the surron looks better and the surron battery rattles the most
@@mauka-qx5iv tf you on about g I had a mx3 and a surron light bee the Talaria was way nicer looking and battery rattled load😂😂😂
@@karmzyy6191 your bugging talaria is like a andrioid and surron is apple
The turn radius is much wider on the Talaria, and it has suspension linkage play issue and most important motor overheating issues (code E42).
Damn! Wow that’s not good!
That Lancer EVO X on 8:07 looks amazing 😍👌
All of my buddies have tried both and we all like the surron more. Smoother power, the bike frame is better and makes you feel in complete control. Better suspension and it feels lighter too
i agree
“Smoother” power isn’t really a plus, it’s basically saying less power
I've heard that the bike frame has more flex on the Sur Ron? How exactly is the suspension better?
@@SurRonsterbest place to get a Sutton?
Best vid for someone who is new in the e-bike world
Hopefully a larger rear sprocket on the Talaria will help give it more mid range. I was under the impression Talaria had a 48 tooth sprocket like the Sur-Ron but it came with a 44 tooth. I have a Warp9 52 tooth I will be installing. My heart sank a little when you said it was hard to wheelie, isn't that a big factor in why we buy these things? I've seen Sur-Rons bashed beyond belief and still going strong. The Talaria has a lot to live up to.
Had an option to buy either one and went with surron then seen this video afterwards and it validated my choice 💨💨🔥🔥 thanks for the vid drop look forward to more!!
@Rabbi Kikenstein got it when it was $4,200.. key word “was” lol
im still gona go for the Surron, they have it in my city a year ago and i cant wait to get it this spring or summer
you won't regret it
@@44Bailout 😎
@@GaelLazerYT bruh buy talaria
@@nuclear9977 I don't know if thats okay in my city or the roads
@@nuclear9977 and that 10k no ty
I want one doesn't matter which both look gorgeous.
Love the videos, I can't afford a sur ron or talaria but I do have a ebike, so I love the videos regardless.
Well if your Bit of Coin takes off I'm sure you will one day ;)
Build one, buy the parts one at a time... Ali express has some nice frames, I built a 2 wheel drive ebike with 7kw of power and I stayed on the low end for controllers and battery voltage 48v..... however I did build a custom battery pack with Samsung 40T cells so i could fit 2 batteries inside the frame... with a discharge of 175 amps each... over 300 amps total discharge capable... ^^ 20 amp hours each... if your going to run Motorcycle tires, Shinko 520 series are nice.
@@larrymacdonald4241 175A@ 48V is quite pointless tho.
I have a Prodeco Outlaw, but now I want a SurRon...
We need to get a Surron crew out together in the Midwest! Going to get one ordered soon before they’re all gone!
I’m in Iowa where are you at
Michigan here. Talaria ordered last week.
Coming out of Oregon with my Talaria 😊👊
I’m in Wisconsin planning on buying one this spring.
Midwest channel in Indiana coming soon , but I’m actually a skateboarder and crazy athletic , adrenaline junkie !! So you gunna seee a diff side of how to ride a E bike :p haha 😛 Lego with the work I do - goals to start making 5-10grand a week so only a matter of time before I get one !!! 🤠🌞🎒📦🙌🏻👍🏻🤙🏻❤️🔥😛👋🏻👍🏻🤙🏻 I need to figure out , how I can get a sur ron that goes 60 or above mph or how to modify it though ! I need more than 45mph …. I think 😝 I know there’s a ebike coming or out after the light bee but idk if I like that look , if I saw it right it looked more like a dirt bike and not it’s own machine
I picked up a talaria a couple weeks ago and I love it! I love the Sur Ron as well but went with the talaria because it sits higher, I liked the throttle snap and that it's beefier. But really, you can't go wrong with either bike! I still need to put it through it's paces and see what I really think down the road but I just can't wait to ride. Winter in Utah needs to be over!
yeah, live in Utah my self. winter came back like 5 times but it just needs to be done.
@@zacklemon4195 Amen! haha I'm ready for warm weather. Where do you like to ride? I'm up in Utah County.
@@KettlesVids Same. I like to just cruz around the neighborhood or go to the nearby park and hit the jumps in the woods and ride where i'm not supposed to.. I'm up in AF and its pretty good here in Utah.
@@zacklemon4195 I know the exact place you are talking about. I used to play paintball there… fun stuff! You should check out the trails up on the mountain in cedar hills.
@@KettlesVids How are you liking the talaria for mtn riding? Considering getting one for technical mtn trails here in WY. Curious on range and if I need to be looking at swapping a sprocket for steep mtn trails where you want crawl more than speed
I'd get the Talaria only because the horn sounds better. :-p
i mean fair enough
I will take talaria cause it is taller
Only thing that matters to riders will be wheelies , how many miles you can take it , how fast it goes , and how well it does two tracking !
Great video showing some key differences. Interesting point about the price though. Here in Canada the Talaria is significantly cheaper than the surron by about $750 CAD. I sold my surron last year and decided to try the talaria based on the price and minor upgrades. We'll see how it goes once I get it.
Same here just got one! Hopefully will get it beginning of April
Where did you order from ?
@@newleaseonlife2601 I ordered mine from Amped Bikes. Took 5 days. 4600 delivered.
whats the verdict?
@@residualboulders RiP
That was a legitimate review. Thanks so much! Also, the Sur Ron had me at wheelies better.
Gotta cut the speed limiter in the Sur Ron. It can go closer to 70 when you cut it
U mean 40😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
It's literally my dream to get this bike. I'm going to work hard to get this one.
When does the sur ron come out?
I'm waiting to see what's up with the talaria motor and gearbox.
I'm more interested in when ko-tech gets you that big new motor and controller
Talaria owners group worldwide post March 16 "we are working with the factory on a 8kw setup and also a new power combo with up to 12kw peak power. "
@@aa-vn7ri I know the output power is rated the same, because the actual BLDC motor inside the gearbox assembly is identical. I'm more interested in the durability of the gearsets inside the transmission, versus the tried and true (yet clunky) sur Ron setup with the jackshaft and chain drive conversion
I agree with the throttle, its pretty jerky on sport mode but with this vid I chose the talaria. its been really fun so far.
what are laws to be aware of with this ebike? license required?
@@joseandrade6727 it’s in the gray area for now. no license or registration because it’s an electric bike. surron and talaria can be equipped with a pedal kit which makes it a bicycle with “pedal assist”. I ride on the streets 53-45mph mostly and never been bothered by the cops.
@@ayeketchup how old are you? I’m 13 so like should I get one or wait till I’m like 15 or older?
@@yoo-12 16
I’m confused at what models are new and what’s outdated. I just watched a video from 3 mo. ago on surron models and they listed the LBX, ultra bee, and storm bee F. They made no mention of the surron x.
surron x is the light bee, just renamed
What is the best Electric dirtbike for beginners
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do a full in depth review of the talaria string
If the Talaria really wants to compete with the sur ron it needs a 72 volt battery, not a 60v. Then again maybe it doesn't make that much of a difference on a real world track scenario which we unfortunately didn't see here.
You idiot, they will see better 60 volts equal to 80 volts than Talaria!
Best comparo I've seen on these 2 bikes. As a new Sur Ron owner, I have no complaints and no desire to get something else. Such a great value......my cousin recently purchased a E-MTB with 250 watt pedal assist for over $5000 used.
How fast is it, range?
@@jlove24 I had in my shop the Turbo LEVO SL 240watts €7,000 one of the best EMTB of 2022. Pedal assisted Max speed is 25kph, range depends of body size and what mode you use. Most of my guests used turbo, Off road in the alps with some steep climbs range was about 20km for them some got longer out of it, I think max range is about 40km if you use the modes correctly.. These bikes are not designed to cover 100km the whole point of the Ebike is you have the battery there to help you when you are tired or steep part of the trail comes along and you are not fit enough top get up on your own power. Most of my guests would need the SUR RON to get them around the trails lmao.
Surron is the og. Talaria designer look at surron and improve everything they can. Surron lbx has good run for all these years and inspire bikes like talaria to exists and compete in the same price bracket. That alone worth lots of points to surron lbx imo 😝
Lol ya not biased at all , the name of the channel has Sur Ron in it . Talaria wins hands down.
10 days ago i commented that you need to make this video at would you look at that! Great video dude much love was stoked for this video!
@SurRonster do an updated version with a 72v battery for the talaria because that would help so many people
The Talaria was cheaper shipped by almost 200$ for me to florida
I hope u know the police in Florida doesnt really like e-bikes. (they usually tow them)
Gotta say.. The sur ron seat height is much more beginner or vertically challenged friendly .. And weight is a big deal too.
Great video bro! My Talaria comes in towards the end of the month.
Very fair comparison utilizing the point 👉👈👇👏👍system
Let's go brother! Great VID again!
The new front fork for the sur Ron is AMAZING. very close in performance to the better forks out there.
He also gave wrong info, on forks… talaria does not come with KKE you can get dnm volcanos but after riding all three (RST, KKE, and DNM) the KKE was the best of the three forks.
@@nxdboi i rode fox 40s before and the new sur ron fork actually stacks up pretty great to it. (i know sounds crazy) but the design of the fork is whats doing it justice. an inverted fork is the better type of fork for a sur ron
@@nxdboi i had the volcano. it was a great fork.
put it this way. it setup the fox 40s out of the box. put air in it and all that and i bottomed out on the fox 40s before i bottomed out on the kkes out of the box. i was blown away on how little of a difference the fox 40s did for the sur ron. it was a brand new 2022 model as well. on the road the fox 40s were more stable but on the jumps the fox 40s were just as good as any fork. mtb forks arent made for the sur ron weight so until someone develops forks or i put on a dirt bike fork i wont have the preformace im looking for. thats why i say kke is close because it does the job without bottoming out on the jumps to much and im pretty sure when i get moto wheels again itll feel just as stable as my last bike.(my last bike had a fox 40 and moto wheels. i have a new stock bike now). i never rode the manitou fork so i cant say whats that like. i would imagine its better than the fox 40s and i never compared the kkes to the manituo either
Its the same horn on both bikes.
No points.
The way the bike looks its is subjective (although i agree with you)
No points
The start button is a BIG safety feature 🙌 so point to the Talaria.
Can taria upgrade its controller to bac4000 or bac8000!!!
Great video and i prefer Sur Ron 🤪🔥🔥
Talaria owners worldwide group post March 16 "we are working with the factory on a 8kw setup and also a new power combo with up to 12kw peak power. "
Sur ron always wins!!
Surron or RCR for street riding only?
I like the surron mph gauge better, if you crash it’s more slim to the frame and isn’t sticking out, just bought a surron!
Been waiting for this video to drop
I just placed an order with Luna Cycle for a Sur Ron X. I made sure to give you a shout out in my emails with Luna! I’ve been searching for a fun outdoor hobby and the RUclips algorithm gods pulled through. Cheers!
I got my Talaria!!!. Keep the great vids coming mate. Hey from Australia.
Bro I know you love Sur Ron but, you are the best e-bike youtuber out there , I'd love if you started racing other e-bikes as a mean to compare them to the Sur Ron and not only e mountain bike but other type of e-bikes. That would help a lot of ppl like me who are undecisive on certain models . There is not enough of unbias review out there . other then that love your content bro keep it going.
Very well done, dude. Doing big things with the review. Great job.
Comparison for seat comfort would of been nice. I know the Sur Ron has a fairly hard seat. How is the Talaria's seat?
My talaria seat is so comfy I can ride for hours and still feel comfortable
Hi love your vids i just started watching You and im addicted
You gotta take the point off for the horn
Surron all the way !! As you know !!
As a lot of things you mentioned, like grips, you can upgrade easy 😉 also surron is mad ass all the way
Great video cheers buddy:)
Perfect timing!! I decided I was getting a Talaria instead of a surron yesterday
Having one of these would be so cool I have always wanted one
With the racespec seat on surron you can sit right on top of the battery cover
Man thank u Im gonna do a build on my sur Ron coming in next week
$500 difference is a huge deal. That is like 8 points. Funny thing is that the surronster razor rsf650 kit is faster than the surron.
I never even knew that headsets could have spacers on the bottom ,idk how that works with the bearing races , and the bottom is where all the leverage from the front wheel stoping is going to expend the most force like a crowbar
Was the controller updated on the Talaria for the throttle map?
Not sure they're updating them at the factory but I know vendors like ebikezilla are updating the controllers to correct the throttle before shipping.
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Sur Ron really need to update the Light Bee. More power, better battery, wider swingarm, battery plug, improved Jack shaft/design or gearbox would be great to see. But will they EVER update it?!
i had the same complaint about the touchiness of the talaria but keeping it in eco helps with that when off roading but street use sport is fine
Maybe the talaria wins on paper and that’s what they where going for, I think the surron wins in the field where it really matters
Another bold hypothesis
The real point here is that you could get either, both are great.
Its almost like the fun parts of a fast electric bike goes to sur ron and that gets traded with better smaller features with talaria, and if anyone is getting a bike like this its to have a ton of fun and to have that upgradability/ Sur ron foe the win!
What kind of license do you need for the Talaria Sting if you know it?
Definitely love my Segway x260 black addition, but never rode the talaria bike yet but i can say looks make a difference and i love the look of the Segway x260 and wheelies?..yes segaway is good for that too
The talaria sting mx3 is on Luna cycles for only 3990 which is almost 600 bucks cheaper than the Surron now
Very nicely detailed review. Can anyone elaborate more on the Sur-Ron belt-drive or gear box problems. This is the first I've heard of it.
No problem with Sur Ron belts at all. It's a bit noisier, which I like, that whine sound. And it will need replacing after 2 or 3 years. Really..its not an issue as it's easy to change one. My Sur Ron is fantastic and I just published my Top 7 Mods video.
That was a really phat in depth review my dude, still can't afford neither :D
is this still valid in 2024? The talaria sting mx3 is 3400 and surron is like 4800 at luna and both have gotten upgrades including talaria throttle
it would be nice if you could make a new video on the Talaria. Also because the problem of jerky acceleration you say was present only on some of the first models sent to America
Great video dude. I just got an emotobros controller for my Ron. I'm trying to decide on a battery now. How much of a difference power wise out of a 72v 38ah compared to 60v 60ah ? Anyone know?
Say you are pulling 100amps of current. The 72v battery is going to produce 7200 watts (9.65hp) and the 60v battery is going to produce 6000w (8.05hp).....BUT the 60v 60ah battery is going to have 3,600 watt hours of capacity vs. The 72v 38ah which will have 2,736 watt hours of capacity...which is considerably less capacity. If range is not a concern for you use case, and power is, then go for the 72v pack. Conclusion: 72v will result in more power, torque, acceleration, probably higher top speed as well. The 60v pack will have more range.
I'm trying to get one hopefully I can pay one of I'm so in love with these bikes 🏍
If you had to do it all over again which one
would you prefer for off road playing in the dirt
Good job dude. Yeah, the throttle curve is crazy. I was doing a wheelie out of every turn on that race Sunday
Can you tell us more about the overheating issues of the TALARIA in the Hawaii Endurofest?
change the egar ratio in settings goofy
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1- The incredible amount of electric 2 wheeled vehicles, scooters, bikes, etc has drastically increased, and the technology is everywhere! There are incredible examples out there! average price around $1700 (a little too much for people that are timid about the technology still, but they know it works.) The rides we're mainly talking about are the higher end models in the $3k range.
2- ranges and speeds(from 20mph to 45mph) have been increased to the point where they can take the place of gas powered scooters, and small cycles. easily handling 20-70 mile round trips on a single charge.(depending on options weight, quality of bike, etc)..you can also plug them in while at work or wherever you;re heading, no special equipment needed(BIG PLUS!)
3- prices range between $800(mostly for teens) to $3000(daily riders, and reliable) for very decent examples. Even if we were given a coupon or certificate for $2000 towards an E-bike, scooter, etc, we could probably make up the difference and buy a quality product easily.
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Which one is it harder for Dillon to turn off when you're not looking?
I don't have either bike but I've watched hundreds of different videos on the SurRon and I really like how it has caught on over the years it's a Beautiful Iconic bike but the Talaria is New and groundbreaking in terms of gearbox and other new additions I do think it is as Beautiful as the SurRon is imagine both these bikes are the most sought after because they are so Freaking enjoyable to Watch perform tricks and shred and everyone seems to want one
Yo Bros, I live in the alps and have normally like 15min drive to work. 14km each way 28km daily. Thinking to buy one of these to get to work instead of using the car, The way i would get to work with one of these would be half off road, half on the the mainroads/side roads. I come in at 79kgs how many times a week would i need to charge one of these bike if i where to use it 7days a week going on the same path to work. I'm a downhill bike rider so i'd take this bad boy into the mountains also for rides... What issues should i look out for getting one of these, Service wise what to expect? are the easy enough to service alone? cheers for any info
I prefered the serons horn. You should consider reversing that awarded point
how long it will take to charge each bike? and mileage forbeach songle charge? and do we have extra battery which we can carry and replace when necessary
Do you need a driver's license for these?
My grandson doesn't have an driver's license yet but would love this!!
I think the battery cover actually makes the talaria look better, you know 👀
what website would you recommend ordering a Talaria or Sur ron X
Hello i am from Danmark and i have seen tour vids in 2 days and i love your videos ;D
i have a question would the sur ron be good for a 6ft rider?
and i love your vids bro keep it up
Hi Mr. Sur, are these two bikes street legal?? Thanks
nice review!
How is it for a tall guy, 260 pounds?
Nice points ??. How much & How’s it tide ? Done.
Talaria has got some nice things going for it gearbox etc. but it needs oil changes! Looks are important to me & Sur Ron just looks considerably better, I'll save my "up-grade piggy bank" for a Stark Varg if all the hype pans out. meanwhile I'll just enjoy looking at my X Blanco edition S. R. nesting in my garage next to my well used 99 KLR650
Oil in the gearbox doesn't mean oil change is required lol
@@freddybell8328 true, especially if it's synth
which one suits more for tall people ?