Can TV Licensing Demand Your Password?!
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Don't start shilling this garbo
On the second visit to the Judge for the RIPA application. Is that ex parte or do you get attend and contend?
You talk about the possibility of our ISP spying on us, mine (NowTV Broadband) blocks access to the NordVPN site!! I can access fine through my mobile data, but not at all through my Wifi. Still got 9 months on the contract.
I keep getting 2 letters at least a month this must be harassment?
could it be considered that providing such keys would violate the Communications Act, seeing as entering such a key would result in access to live TV
A much easier solution is ...... knock knock. Door opens. 'Hi, who are you?' .... 'Hello, I'm from TV Licensing' ...... Door slams shut. It's that simple. No sign required.
Oh you can enjoy it and say...
NO THANKYOU,,😁, big smiley face, closes door laughing 😂😂😂😂
The method Chilli Jon Carne recommends. 😊
This is what I do, feels great! Except I find they knock on the door and repeatedly ask what may name is, even if you ask who they are. If they don't tell me I close the door in their face.
@@PaulKemp-kc3jq It's strange that they ask for your name because it's the property that is covered by a licence, not the individual. They shouldn't need your name other than to employ common courtesy during the conversation, but common courtesy would also dictate that they should introduce themselves first, they are, after all, the one that is instigating the conversation.
Boris proved that forgetting your password is not a crime.
I was asked "Can I have your name sir?" to which I replied "Certainly not, get one of your own" and shut the door.
😂😂😂
I reply Mr Lee Galocupier since that's who all the letters I've been ignoring for the past 15 years have been addressed to.
That is so funny.
TV licensing salespeople have NO authority to do anything.
Tell them to F off.
My letters have forever said "Legal Occupier". At that point, if they ever come to my door, I let out a hearty chuckle as I close my door. I don't even own a TV. I haven't watched live TV in something like 10 years, I have a gaming rig that I use for watching youtube and movies via streaming services. I'll do everything I can to make sure these parasites never see a single penny from me.
I haven't tv in about 15 years. I have zero intention of giving the lice-covered BBC a single penny from me from now on. they write to me, but sadly they keep mis-spelling my name. Shame.
Same.
They could save printer ink by removing "legal". no-one ever sent a letter to "the illegal occupier"
Same
@redbearduk live broadcast, streaming is fine if it is not live broadcast.
To be licence free you need to send back your set top box. That simple, and it insulates you from propaganda and other insidious bs. Win win.
I don't have a commercial pilots license. Should I worry that the CAA might come round to look for an Airbus in my living room?
I'd be worried if it was Boeing, the people that upset them don't seem to last very long.
@@Rhyd Funny, but also true...
Yes, you should get ahead of the problem by sending them a letter explaining that you've removed their implied right of access.
@yngndrw. I'll do that, and keep the curtains closed so they can't see it from the street 👍
I mentioned this to the man that came to my door recently. He huffed and stormed off.
I'm aware that you're an English & Welsh barrister, but as a Scottish viewer, if you are aware of any differences in the law on the subjects you cover, I'd be grateful if you pointed them out, I'm sure there's a great number of Scottish veiwers who respect your integrity and would welcome your advice.
Is Tesco going to start harassing me at my door because I shop at Aldi 😂
I'd have knocked on the door just to point out the correct spelling of listen 😂
But would they liston?
I grew up believing the BBC to be the voice of truth, being non-political and morally incorruptible.
The Brexit happened and the glaring one-sidedness of the BBC made me realise just what a reprehensible organisation it is!
I expected better of the BBC, and sadly, it seems to me the BBC has degraded further into the swamplands of bias and mockery of any other organisation or person who dares to have a different opinion to them. That is why I refuse to fund this organisation by buying a TV licence. Sadly this means that other broadcasters have lost my custom as a consequence.
I came to same conclusion....and I am a "Remainer". The quality of BBC neutrality and investigative rigour is shocking. Let alone the quality of the Entertainment side of their remit.
There's no institution ever that hasn't been perverted
Isn’t it a government thing now instead of the bbc?
Not to mention covering for perverts like Savile and threatening any staff who pushed for his exposure. Of course it is easy to blame “The BBC”, but make no mistake the corruption was vested in the senior staff of that company, who’s names are a known matter of record. Incredibly, no blame or punishment was levelled at those who kept Savile protected….I have to wonder why!
The BBC hid Jimmy saville's child molestation for decades. They CONTINUE to hide child abuse amongst their highest-paid stars. They know exactly whats going on, but they use licence money to silence people with bribes. You'd be surprised which "celebrities" are being protected by good old Auntie Beeb.....
" And then agents coming...to knock on the door, trying to sell you...I mean ask you whether you need to pay for a TV licence " - Love it!
Yea they’re just salesmen.
I’ll tell em the hour long story of how Tesco doesn’t knock my door to check I don’t shop there. While answering not a single question.
I think he was mocking the common claim that they are salesmen. A salesman would convince you of the merits of what he wants to sell, whereas a license enforcer would ask if you are properly licensed.
@@shaunpatrick8345 that’s true. But they aren’t enforcers as they have no authority.
@@WotsisFace they do enforce licensing though.
@@shaunpatrick8345 they attempt to if you agree to speak to them.
Can TV Licensing Demand Your Password?! They cant even demand your name. lol
More accurately, you don't need to answer their demands.
It's amazing when they claim that they've opened investigations against households and they haven't even got the householder's name!
@@nelliemelba4967It’s an address that has to be correctly licensed. A name is just the contact name.
Just say you've forgotten your password and don't have access to that email address :) it's impossible to prove that you're lying.
@@adenwellsmith6908 Nothing to hide. Why not just tell the truth ?
The law around this stealth tax to fund the BBC is abhorrent..
Ever since watching iPlayer became a no-go without a TV license, my mailbox has been playing host to a monthly RSVP from BBC Licensing. Each letter, with its quaint "Will you be at home on this date of the month?", takes a one-way trip to Binville. Sure, I could make a quick call to stop the paper parade, but there's a cheeky satisfaction in knowing each stamp costs them a bit. My only real twinge of guilt? The environmental toll of this paper party. But hey, at least it keeps the postmen and printers in business! And my Royal Mail shares don't seem to be doing too well.
My postbox is outside on my wall so TV Licensing letters don't even get into my flat, they go right in the paper recycling box, which is right under the postbox. Like you, I could just tell them that I do not need a license, but where would be the fun in that? I like to let them live in hope that they may someday get a sale.
I recognise the letters without even opening them now. The whole unopened envelope goes into the bin.
@@stuartriddell2461 joke is i did tell them i dont watch any tv, but they seem to require telling every two years or they continually waste trees telling me they might visit on a certain day and if they catch me watching tv i'll be for it! shityapants scary eh.. do i tell the FAA i aint flying next year? no, or i'm not going fishing so wont renewing my licence? no, the BBC are unreal, how much could they save not sending millions of letters and employing contracted goons to visit houses... if there was good quality content then maybe i'd make time to watch some stuff but its same old tripe repeated over and over and over and over under the guise of "classic" tv, ffs..
Thats a good notice apart from the spelling of listen.
Agreed, I picked that up straight away. One could also display that a charge of £25.00 is required if they ring or knock and you do open the door to speak. Payable before you communicate with them.
Should be a fineabol affence.
@@paulketchupwitheverything767 I'm imagining a spelling agent knocking on the door every other week, pointing out the error on that sign, and that one needs a dictionary license for that.
You missed an apostrophe in ‘thats’.
They didn’t youse spullchucker, if yoo don’t youse it u loose it
I have a similar sign on my door & it works most of the time.
They wonder why so many are cancelling tv licenses
People who cancel TV licenses would have had no interaction with enforcement officers, because they have a license.
Not paying Linker's salary for one
@@philipsharpe6913 didnt know he was still about
@@shaunpatrick8345 Wrong. I have not had a TVL in 15 years and I have never had any encounter with an enforcement agent.
@@shaunpatrick8345enforcement officers 😂😂😂 lol - the milkman has more power!
I've not had a license for over 11 years. Informed them at that point and never replied to any letters since. Never had a visit
I've never had a visit in 20+ years at this point. Starting to think they don't operate in my area. That said a friend had a visit within days of moving in to his new house.
TV licensing has been sending me threatening letters for years, but I don't use anything that would make me need one. What a nasty organisation.
Also very important, why is dubious evidence allowed to get a warrant? These TV licence officers could just make up that they saw something and then get a warrant from that.
Bit difficult me, I live in a first floor flat, and at the back to which there's no public access.
they do tell lies in order to get you into court. i had a summons eight years back even after i had allowed the goon to come in to my property as i have nothing to hide. if the goon had done his job properly and checked to see if my old analogue tv and a dvd player that was in no way capable of any kind of digital tv reception instead of telling porkies, then time would have not been wasted and the case that was dismissed would probably never have been put in front of a judge. never let them in tossers.
They could, but lying on oath is a serious offence.
I've wondered this too. Are you really supposed to let them inside if there's no way the warrant could have been granted legitimately? The system doesn't really make any sense.
@@samuelburnett6811 A court warrant is a court warrant, ignore it at your peril.
I have a sign at my front door, too. It says 'if you are from TV Licensing, I do not need to speak to you; I do not watch live broadcasts. If, however, you do still knock, you are consenting to kissing the resident.'
I am 6ft 3, 17 and a half stone. I haven't had a TV license for years. No one has ever knocked, but my doorbell camera does show cold callers coming into the garden from time to time. I am yet to have any knock. It makes me feel unwanted 😂
Never kissed a girl that big before....but will give it a shot !
Of course they can’t!
I have not had a TV for decades, and never paid the fee. Yet I still get their threatening letters. I had one of their goons show up a few years ago, so I told them I had no TV and told them to get off my property (in an impolite manner). The End
I have a similar 'Notice' on my boat as it is my home and private.
But the TV people wouldn't swim out to you to knock on your boat... ;)
@@chrisjlocke Oblivion style lol.
Presumably if you sail 12 miles offshore you can watch all the TV you like.
@@stephengrimmer35 luckily yes I can as my boat is sea going as well as canals and rivers 🙂
@@chrisjlocke I wish they would, I would even offer them a coffee lol
I never open the front door to anyone that don't no it's common sense.
If not expecting anyone just ignore them.
So, it could be a bloke telling you your car is smoking (on fire)
Police telling you a loved one has been hurt.
The pools guy ..Your a winner.
A new neighbor introducing themselves.
Lottery winner Rep.
Someone who wants to inform you that there is smoke seeping from your roof...
Are you getting the drift now Einstein ?
@@jimosullivan1389 How many of those things happened to you?
@@jimosullivan1389what’s with you and the lottery or smoke? Is that the only thing you can think of? 😂
@@manchegocheese997 3, need any more info ? I am not afraid to open my own front door.
@@mawangshallhang Is playing children's games and silly videos YOUR limit ?
You are supposed to be a grown man.
I am not afraid to open my door and deal with any situation. Dr Jordan Peterson called it being a "man child" at 30 years of age.
I can just imagine it..
Sat in a prison cell.
What you in for?
I didnt give the pigs my password.
This would only occur if they had a judge decide to issue the second order, not a magistrate. And then only if the third judge decided the whole thing was other than utterly petty.
The only password I would give them would be to a Linux box that boots into a TTY in user mode. That's called f-ing with them.
Better yet, make it boot into a virtual machine!
Log on, switch the language to Hebrew. Are they allowed to modify your system by changing the settings?
even with a high court warrant, NOBODY but ME touches my Machinery....
...and they won't even get near it, even with armed officers....
I just jetwashed "Go Away" in the grime on my front doorstep - works a treat
😂👍
Spot on. Some people just don't get it, they feel they have to explain their lifestyle choice.
No hawkers sign, revokes any right for a sales person/agent to go on to your property. Right?
Wider wording would be better. 'No entry and no enquiries permitted without express prior permission from the owner.'.
A no cold callers sign should do it.
I've had a sign saying "Interactions By Appointment Only". And it does work. Whenever an unwanted caller knocks, I just open the door and ask them what time their appointment is.......when there is no answer or they start to speak about something else i simply hold up a hand, say "Goodbye" and close the door.
So no mail then
Mail is expected, cold callers are not.
@@GoosePlays20 You missed the "Unwanted" part of what i said, Mail is wanted.......but saying that The amount of junk that comes with one letter these days is a joke
@@Tommy-he7dx bills are unwanted lol
@@GoosePlays20 Very true, but i've not had a paper bill for years now, it's all Emails.
I’ve heard previously about judges issuing a warrant for TVL to visit, using the removal of the implied right of access as the required evidence. In other words, removing the implied right of access is actually worse for you.
“ I am not refusing to give you my pin/password - I genuinely forget it, head like a civ “
You mean Div 🤣🤣
Interesting. So with implied right of access to your property withdrawn, TV licencing cannot visit- apart from when they hold a warrant. But to get a warrant they need evidence to present to a judge that supports the likelihood that you are breaking the law...but they can't get that because they can't visit to obtain it. Snookered then, aren't they!
Unfortunately, the 'evidence' they need is as simple as the visiting officer saying he saw something, and that's enough to grant a warrant.
@@arc5015 But the question remains: how did he 'see something ' if the right of access was withdrawn? Either he broke the law in entering (and then further, by peering through a window or whatever) or he lied to the judge. If the judge knows he's being lied to but still grants a warrant, are they not both then guilty of offences? The trouble seems to be that all this goes on but nobody in the legal profession questions it.
@@user-et1id3hd5i How would the judge know he lied? It's just the guys word that the judge would then rubber stamp a warrant on - which is totally bogus, and this whole thing needs scrapping.
@@arc5015But you just have a doorbell camera. Clearly would show they’re outside and can’t see anything.
@@arc5015 No it isnt you need to sign his form.
I don't actually require a licence, but I now refuse to buy one out of principle (i.e. I would never choose to start watching live TV etc again whilst the licence system is in place).
This is mainly because of the tactics used by the TV Licensing Authority... all of the threatening letters (every month) and misleading claims, designed to scare people into buying a licence they may not need. This is also why I don't inform them that I do not require a licence... I shouldn't have to!
Before I learned to drive, I didn't have the DVLA writing to me every month to tell me that "YOU MAY BE COMMITTING A CRIME (if you drive without a licence)" or telling me that I'm under investigation and that an ENFORCEMENT OFFICER will be visiting me to determine whether I've been driving.
I don't receive regular letters from the government warning me that I don't have a fishing licence and "MAY BE FINED £1000 (if I am found to fishing ilegally)".
As has been discussed on this channel before - the activities of the TV Licensing Authority amount to harrassment.
I agree with everything you say here. I am entitled - because of my age and income - to a free (well, taxpayer-funded) licence. But I will not have a brass farthing paid to that shower of perverts 'in my name', which is what a 'free' tv licence involves.
So TVL can continue to waste its money and time on sending increasingly accusatory and threatening letters to an address in which there is no TV and no need for one, either. If they are wasting time on my address, it means they have less time to use pursuing those who are perhaps more vulnerable than I am.
I couldn't agree more. We don't watch live TV so we don't need a licence yet we still get those begging/demanding letters every month. Then they missed a month and I felt quite abandoned and neglected!! 🤣 We get ours in English and Welsh so 'dear ole shredder' gets main course and dessert. What a waste of paper, postage and time. The best said is that it helps to keep the Royal Mail in business. My husband is coming up to getting a free one, courtesy of the tax payer, yet like @Sine-gl9ly, we don't want that waste of time, effort and space known as the BBC to get one penny from us.
If you tell them you don't need a license, you get a letter every 2 years. If you don't like getting letters asking if you need a license, tell them you don't need a license.
@@shaunpatrick8345 Yeah, I know the letters might stop for a while, but I don't tell them because I feel I shouldn't have to (like I don't have to inform other agencies about licences I don't require).
The letters don't actually bother or scare me. I'm happy for them to waste their time trying to chase and threaten me. I have nothing to hide.
@@shaunpatrick8345That doesn’t always work. Our Mum died, we informed them and did all the requested steps and have received letters since then (to her address) No one else lives there by the way.
The national TV licensing people are fantastic and operate sensibly. I moved into a flat and was challenged about not having a TV license, I explained the situation about not watching live TV on my computer and all was well. However the local agents were having none of it and I was sent several letters threatening court action, it got so stressful, I contacted the national TV licensing people and told them to wind in their local attack dogs which thankfully they did.
There is no good in any of these people, don't kid yourself. They work for a company that sends threatening letters to thousands of people for not wanting their product and actually physically harass them by visiting.
One thing I can say, is they wont want this so called warrant examining in any court, for you then have the right to question the person who made the statement of evidence.
They wont risk a perjury case for lying on oath.
So you have to prove your innocence by providing passwords? Isn’t this a core contradiction? Don’t they have to prove you guilty?
No they're investigating a possible offence.
The legal principle is that they must have a search warrant. So, giving the password facilitates the search.
It's like disclosure in a court case. If a judge orders disclosure, you may have to provide passwords or documents to help the other side prove your culpability. It's not for you to prove your own innocence.
@@timg1246 The chances of a magistrate granting one is extremely slim.
@@shaunpatrick8345 What court case is this?
Still license free since 1983 and no way will I ever get one.
surprised they didn’t get the rozzers to arrest him for watching ‘live’ TV on his CCTV 🤣
Gary LINEKER s salary at the BBC would pay 7600 licences!
It is the other way round
There are a few issues here -
1. What is meant by TV recieving equipment? That, technically, covers most tech, these days. I don't have a TV, but do have several PC's, laptops, tablets, phones, etc in my house, all of which could be used to watch live TV.
2. What accounts do you mean, when you say log into any accounts? Would I have to log in to my bank account, my email, Netflix, etc. I don't have an iPlayer account, but what is to do them accusing me of having one but refusing them access by not giving them the password.
My phone and my PC's have a lot of personal and private information stored on them and don't see why anyone else would be able to demand access to them. I don't have a licence, but I genuinely don't watch or record ANY live or broadcast TV (on any channel) nor do I record any, and I don't have an iPlayer account, so I don't need a licence.
Of course, all that does depend on whether there is a warrant, which is hard to obtain, I believe.
For question 1 I went down the rabbit hole in the legislation but be warned, it is very very dated and I'd argue slightly circular.
The general gist is TV receiving equipment is for receiving radio frequency television broadcasts. If you get into the weeds this also covers coax cable to the property. Interestingly I couldn't see where it covers fibre to the property, which uses light frequency not radio.
There is a higher level genetic catch all though about any other device designed for this purpose. But it is somewhat ambiguous whether the purpose is receiving an radio frequency broadcast, or a television broadcast, in the question. To me it reads the former, whereas the latter is what we assume makes much more reasonable sense.
In a good signal area you don't even need an aerial plugged into your TV and the receiver inside the TV will pick some stuff up. Even if that's only plugged into the mains and a Nintendo Switch (no Netflix, iPlayer, etc, games console.) I think that's where the difference between "is capable of" and "for the purpose of" is hugely important.
I worry about the 'any equipment installed for the purposes of watching or recording live television'. I have a TV, when I bought it my intent was to use it for watching live content and I had a licence to do so. However, nowadays (and for the last 5 licence-free years) I don't watch or record live television or use iPlayer but I still have the same TV. As that TV was originally bought for the purposes of watching or recording live TV does that mean I either need to buy a licence for it or replace my perfectly good, working TV with a new one that HASN'T been purchased for the purposes of watching or recording live TV?
I've asked this question on this channel a few times and have yet to receive a definitive answer.
@@Galerak1 Yep, I have a TV, but I use it as a PC monitor. I don't have Sky, Virgin or any other TV provider, so can't access TV channels in the 'normal' way. I could watch something on my PC, but I don't know if I could access, say, Sky News without needing an account - everything needs to have you assign up for an account these days.
The sooner the licence is gone, the better, imo.
@@Galerak1 I don't think there is an answer.
The word "purpose" is quite different to the word "ability" in my opinion. I have lots of equipment that has the *ability* to receive TV broadcasts or show iPlayer but none of them are installed for that purpose. My TV aerial was installed for that purpose but circumstances changed and I disconnected it. It is still installed though and had no other purpose than to do nothing. It has the ability though.
It's very wishy washy and I hate having to leave my faith in the court should something happen. The process would destroy me, despite being innocent, trying to defend myself if TVL were having a bad day and decided to scream and shout.
@@DrGreenGiant Thank you, you're the first person I have ever seen even acknowledge the question lol.
Surly by putting a card through the door, he technically did trespass, and could have been prosecuted.
Prosecuted? What was the aggravating factor?
@@rogerborgRemaining on/entering the property against the order, smart ass.
Fly tipping 😁
My son lives in a house of multiple occupancy with individual private rooms and shared areas. Could you cover how best to approach this in that situation please?
Where does he put the sign?
Do TV licensing have a right of access to the communal areas of the building beyond the main external doors?
Where is his legal threshold? The main communal door or his private room?
Perhaps you could think of other considerations in this scenario.
I received the pension rise as promised, the subsequently took it off my Universal Credit!!! What a miserable country we live in. Was it even legal???
I served the country in the Paras in South Arabia Yemen amongst many other theatres. What a waste of my young life. I am now 77 years old and severely disabled.
A very disillusioned Veteran.
Years ago when I was a lass our dad sent myself and my brothers down to the post office to buy a dog license for our dog Lisa - cost 2/6 (half a crown), I don't know why dog licenses were stopped, perhaps TV licenses are going the ssme way? I don't mind TV licenses, I've had mine since the 1980, I love your channel thank you ❤😊
Anywhere semi civilised got rid of them dacadess ago. They hav certainly not been a thing is Australia since at least the 1970s.
Baffles me why Australia doesn't need them any more
@@IANHANDS Because the ABC is funded by taxes, the commercial ones from advertising, and SBS a mix. Plus goon squads and bean counters cost money.
@@IANHANDS Probably no BBC.
@@JulianSortland
> Anywhere semi civilised got rid of them dacadess ago.
So in Europe alone you consider the following countries not even semi-civilised:
Albania, Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Czech Republic, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Montenegro, Poland, Serbia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Turkey, United Kingdom
Do you think that saying things like that makes you look more, or less, like someone who has any opinions worth taking notice of?
Its this unreasonable intrusion into your life for something that you didnt want to buy. No other country in the world would stand for this.
In many countries the state TV is funded by direct taxation or a surcharge on electricity or internet, so you can’t avoid paying. (Canada, Sweden, Australia etc.).
@@fredbloggs5902 - or wall to wall advertising, and that includes state TV.
And make no mistake, they're never going to do away with the licence. They'll instead just swap to a media tax and force everyone back on it.
The problem is that there are a massive number of freeloaders watvhing the BBC whilst not paying. They are robbing the rest of us. It would be far better to go after these people rather than this storm in a teacup.
Austria until this year had an almost exact copy of the situation, including the preposterous behaviour of the license agency and agents. Likely directly influenced by the BBC setup originally. They have now switched to the German model of a household tax (which in many ways is even worse).
Reminds me of a warning note that my partner once put up, after she became frustrated with the numerous calls from unscrupulous energy supplier representatives (“… just sign here, we promise it is just for an information pack and not to switch providers” - liars).
Her notice was similar to the one you showed in the video but with further additions in a firmer tone 😂
Our doorbell became almost redundant over night. I found a postal worker outside once, holding a package, and he was too nervous to press the bell. He did not know what to do for the best! 😂
Never answer the door to them and never let them in.
Sign: 'No Doorstep Interviews Given'.
You don't need to tell anyone that, just don't do it.
You dont need that sign, just dont answer the door. There is no law that says if someone knocks on your door you have to open it. If you're not expecting someone to come to your home then dont answer it. Simples.
CORRECT!
I removed their implied right of access over 5 years ago and they've totally left me alone.
@@redbearduk Handed them a letter when they knocked and closed the door. No discussion.
Better still is to phone up and inform them you are removing the implied right of entry and ask for them to write to you to confirm. I've obtained three such letters over time
Just do not talk to them, problem solved
I'd have thought that was the case too but reference was made to TV Licensing obtaining a warrant, having had no communication whatsoever from the resident of the property to which the warrant applies. In the absence of this, how can a warrant be issued?
@@anonnemo2504 There has to be justification for a warrant to be issued. Otherwise its just a fishing expedition which I believe is unlawful.
@@davidwebb4904 That was my understanding too. Hopefully, BBB may see the question and give his interpretation too.
@@anonnemo2504 Easy, the initial "evidence" they can use to get a warrant is only ever the TV licence officer saying he saw something. Easily made up without ever interacting with the home owner.
@@arc5015 In that case, I am glad I have a video doorbell, footage recorded by which would prove that the inspector either got no response to his ringing the bell or knocking on the door, or a quick "No thanks", before closing the door.
It would not surprise me, however, that these people may not tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in obtaining a warrant.
There’s that RUclips video where they have a warrant, the guy has to let them in. But the tv is unplugged and the tvl people ask him to plug it in. He refuses but they plug it in themselves anyway!
I know the Video. They can get a Warrant if they had spoken to the Home Owner before and that Person had incriminated themselves. If someone does not answer or closes the Door they have nothing to take to a Judge. Courts don't rely on hearsay.
Yea they try to look for “proof”
That includes locating your tv and turning it on, plugging any wires into it that you weren’t already utilising. Then they find your remote control so they can try their hardest to tune BBC into your TV.
Even if they have lots of trouble tuning, and it takes 2 hours - That is the “evidence” they are looking for to prove you were watching it.
If you are able to even access any of their listed channels, they will accuse of you stealing and you will be going to court.
But they can not come into your house without a police officer. And that can only happen if you’ve spoken to them first and raised suspicion.
Do not identify yourself, or answer any questions.
“No thank you” is more than enough.
They send intimidating letters that pose a false aroma of authority, which probably works on people who don’t know the game.
I’m really glad that my TV does not have any of the British terrestrial channels.
@@Marty2011uktheir whole investigation consists of asking you questions you don’t even have to answer.
If you tell them to Eff off… investigation is over.
@@WotsisFacethat' not evidence. If your TV has been tuned in then you need a license even if it's not turned on.
@@shaunpatrick8345 that isn’t true. If you don’t watch the listed channels, you’re not using their service.
Absolutely fantastic advice. You always have very good and sound knowledge, obviously knowing your profession. I think your channel is great. Well done. Thank you. I love your channel.
@stevecoles399
> Absolutely fantastic advice.
As biased as hell, and given without any disclosure of his personal interest.
About a year ago I had a letter from TV licensing to saying mine had lapsed and unless I could prove I no longer needed one should renew it. For many years it has been paid through direct debit by my bank and checking statements online found this was still the case. I spoke to TV licensing and was told they had no record of any such arrangement and it had lapsed. I checked with the bank and it was confirmed it was valid so I took my DD details agreement number etc and contacted TVL again giving it to them,this resulted in an apology and me being sent my license backdated to its renewal date. They couldn't understand how they couldn't find my account details which were set up when my late wife and I moved here in 2001.
I just declare I don't need a TV licence at my address on the BBC website. You don't need to provide your real name.
You could make the same declaration for your next door neighbor to or somebody at the other end of the country. You can also give them an obvious fake name for the address such as a name of a politicians, film actor etc. TVL will usually disregard such names for addresses that are below a certain social class status and in 2 years time they will send out a letter to the legal occupier rather than the name you false game.
Withdrawl of implied right of access (WOIRA) has to be recorded by TV licensing agents, it's in their ops manual which was released under a FOI request. Parts of the manual which are redacted due to section 31 (“law enforcement”) of the Freedom of Information Act are referenced by the WOIRA parts.
I'm wondering if it's possible that the existence of a WOIRA could contribute to evidence which leads to a warrant. Do you think that's possible?
No, that would not be admissible in a request for a search warrant. Standing on your rights can't, of itself, be used against you.
Search warrants tend to be issued if a visiting agent claims they saw or heard a TV when visiting an address but they are barred from entry by the home owner.
@timg1246 "can't, of itself" of course. I'm aware that WOIRA cannot be grounds for a warrant. What I'm asking is if it would be part of a body of evidence submitted for a warrant.
I'm thinking along the lines of inferences being made from a person's silence, that sort of thing happens in English courts.
@@timg1246
> Standing on your rights can't, of itself, be used against you.
No, but reminding jurors of their absolute right to acquit according to their conscience can be.
@@anonnona8099TV licence cases are heard by magistrates.
Just to be pedantic, on that sign, it should be "LISTEN" not "LISTON" 😆
"LISTON" ? Maybe they were having a Sonny day.
Can I watch bbc iplayer on my laptop, at my friends house who has a tv license? PS I do not have one at my house, and never will.
If you're using their local internet connection then yes. If you're using a phone or other device that is connecting to the 'net by another method external to the house then no.
Yes.
@notjustforhackers4252 Yes, you are covered to use BBC iPlayer when you're on the go as long as YOU have a TV Licence at your home address and the device you're using isn't plugged in. If the device is plugged in at a separate address, there needs to be a licence in place at that address.
This is the problem with allowing the government to be involved with what should be a private transaction. In the US you contract with a private company if you want cable or internet. There are many companies to choose from and it’s voluntary.
The BBC is an unofficial branch of the government.
Has anyone done the research? I would love to see a graph showing the decline of TV license renewals relative to the growth of TV streaming service options.I can only assume that whereas once if people in the UK wanted to watch TV, live broadcast TV was the only option, but now with so many different streaming services available the renewal rate must have declined. I would also assume that the decline of renewal rates (if there is one) coincides with a rise in license renewal harassment. The rule would be: As streaming services become more accessible/affordable/available, TV license renewal rates decline; and as TV license renewal rates declline, TV license renewal harassment increases. Is that correct?
IIRC Boris Johnson simply 'forgot' his iPhone PIN.
Could you please explain why they would need to inspect the tv/equipment. All tvs are capable of receiving bbc etc but I thought the crime was actually watching these programs.
Is simply having a tv /mobile phone/ipad ,now is a crime ?
Its whether they click the iPlayer and it logs into an account and says, "Do you want to continue watching Eastenders. You have three profiles and 'The Apprentice' has been watched four times today."
Good point! A lot of apps are pre-installed and cannot be removed which are capable too.
no.. its about how you use and set up the equipment.. if your tv has a cable going into the wall, thats connected to say, a saterlite dish, then your TV is set up to recieve live programs.. even if you DONT actually watch any
so.. remove any cable capable of sending live feeds to your tv and de-tune the set
however.. be aware that if they enter your property they are not beyond plugging their own cables in, re-tuning and THEN taking you to court for breach of the communications act (which if successful gives them a monetory bonus.. so not exactly impartial).. there is a case where the goon stated that stopping him from doing this was obstruction.. luckily.. the police officers in attendence for the execution of the warrent, protected the home owner by saying it wasnt.. but would you want to rely on a police officer to come to your defence?
i'm no legal expert, but my understanding is they need at least two seperate peices of evidence to obtain a legit warrent (and they are NOT above just get one signed by their direct manager.. not a true magistrate) to enter a property.. and to get that, they will say anything to get into your building..
so.. dont say anything when they knock on the door.. and dont let them in
remember also.. THEY have to justify why they are on your property in the first place.. as soon as you open the door, they MUST identify on request.. if they just keep asking things like "who are you?" or "are you the legal occupier?" before ID'ing.. just close the door.. just like you should as soon as they say that they are TVL..
most successful convictions are because the occupier dropped THEMSELVES in the proverbial.. legally, they are classed as proffesionals, so who do you think the court will side with??
@@KemPeck1701The top post is correct. It is how you use the equipment, not what it is capable of.
That is why they demand access to your phone. Almost all smart phones allow access to things that require a licence. Some youtube channels do. So they are trying to prove you have watched something specific.
Search warrants can only be issued by courts, not by managers at TV Licencing. They might be issued on the basis of a statement by a visiting agent that he saw a TV playing a licensable programme.
@@timg1246the law states that you need a license to install TV receiving equipment. It's not about how you use it.
As always, this is really useful information but is there any explanation for how TV Licensing may obtain a warrant, having had no communication whatsoever from the resident of the property to which the warrant applies? In the absence of this, how can a warrant be issued?
Good question.
My guess is they would need reasonable suspicion.
Maybe hearing the Eastenders theme tune playing at the appropriate time, coming from your window? 🤣
@@fredbloggs5902 Even if I'd not cancelled my TV licence (some years ago now), that is one tune I would not allow to sully my TV speakers!
I agree with the need for reasonable suspicion but it would be interesting to get the BBB's take on it.
Lie?
I think a better question (to ask first), is how many warrants are actually issued per year, because if the answer is zero (and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was) then how they would get one becomes moot.
I’m guessing this would be a freedom of information request, and that they would avoid answering.
@@fredbloggs5902 Warrants ARE issued for the purposes of TV Licensing entering a property and are usually served on the resident in the presence of the police. There are many videos on YT as evidence of this.
I have no idea, however, how many warrants or whether any have been issued with no previous communication between the resident and TV Licensing.
Someone suggested to me once to learn sign language and try communicating with them using hand gestures. 😂
If you aren't on the property you aren't required to assist.
People need to realise something. This is all about risk vs. reward. No different than doing a day trade in the markets. The risk aspect is how much time they have to put into engaging with you (knocking at your door, engagement via coercion, self-incrimination, acquiring evidence, submitting that to court, getting a court order, acquiring access to your property, bla bla bla) and the amount of money, at the end of all this, that they think they can extract from you. If risk is low (you permit engagement and self-incriminate in 60 seconds - which is no time at all) and the reward high (they are now going to have a successful prosecution and fine you, thus acquiring that money), they're on a winner. If risk is high (takes too much of their time) and reward low, they will, more often than not, not engage with you. I follow this procedure a lot now with most governmental entities.
Correct. This is also why there are other things you can do to change the risk reward for them.
1. Report every letter as harassment. Record the date, crime reference number on the letter. That's easy. Very little effort. You even name the person running BBC licensing. Her name is easy to find.
2. When you get, say three or more. Write a letter to the BBC. Cease and desist. List the dates and crime reference numbers.
3. Withdraw implied rights of access.
4. Demand the removal of your data, the right to be forgotten.
5. If they say no, take it to the ICO. [One time I did this, I requested the file on it. 200 plus pages of lawyers letters - it was the Cabinet Office]. That cost a pretty penny.
6. Do the same with Capita.
In my case, no letters.
And it's one reason they sit in their offices, firing off letters, approx. once a month.
That's very true. We do not have live TV so don't need a licence. There is very little reward against risk as we live out in the sticks, post code is messed up, so that means finding us and as we also watch ChilliJonCarni we know we don't need to say anything. We did have one visit and my husband told him "No, not interested and shut the window." We didn't even bother to open the door. He went on his not so merry way and we haven't had another visit. The distance is not worth the reward.
Why all the drama ... simply call the licensing office and tell them they couldn't pay you to watch them .. that's what I did years ago..I even got them to send me a letter... that letter read sorry to see you no longer watch bbc and other channels.. and seriously I don't watch any of that mainstream stuff ..also they are welcome to check I don't watch.. because I don't..no aerial is plugged in
It's tragic you even have to do that.. When I cancelled sky that was the last contact I had with them
I just felt the former online just so much easier. Life is stressful why do we need more stress? Fill the form out on the BBC website And just leave it there not a problem
@@elixier33 I called them because I wanted them to know how much I loathed them ..I didn't swear however I told them uncomfortable facts ..
Why did you make all the drama? Simply ignore them.
Am I obliged to be wearing clothes when a visitor calls? 😁😂
We have too many laws! Need a license to use oxygen soon!
Please don't give them ideas
The UK feels like a prison
We are a socialist state prison. We are even accepting all the undesirables from all over the world and refuse to deport them. We have criminals, terrorists and worse plague the streets of London weekly and it’s ignored.
Beats living in the USA where children regularly get shot at school
This is the example youre going with to demonstrate that?
A prison people break into
@@_koko420_ Criminals being told to go there because its the best place on earth. Where they can loot, pillage, get everything for free all the time why the locals are oppressed.
I work in a care home and we have been told that we need a licence from the Motion Picture Licensing Corporation in addition to a TV licence to show movies or broadcast tv, Netflix, etc in the residents’ lounge because it is classed as a public performance. We are shocked by this. This is their home and yet we’re told that we fall under the same criteria as a pub! Is this correct? This seems so wrong and unfair.
I worked in a care home and we were told that should a resident have a TV in their private room they would need their own TV Licence. Talk about greedy and uncaring.
Look up
Applying for a new ARC Licence
That is correct, it is classed as a commercial screening so you need the correct license. Most satellite companies offer a commercial package for places like yours that has the requisite licences included so you need to get one of those. The communal areas are not classed as the residents home which is why this is an issue.
@@schrodingerscat1863United Kingdom living up to it's "Oi, Bruv! You goy a loicence for that loicence?!?" reputation.
Absolutely farcical that the nation persecutes it's people like this.
Charging them for what should be freedoms.
I'm going back some years but I remember being told we could not have the radio on in the office AND the windows open at the same time without the college obtaining a public performance license - it's probably technically correct, in the most anal way possible.
It was funny when I told the same manager he'd need to register his CCTV system with the information commissioners office, list 'watching employees' as the purpose of recording and display appropriate signs before asking about any of my actions witnessed via the CCTV 😂
I'm curious. Does a smart tv let tv licencing know if you watch live tv? I don't watch live tv and haven't had tv licence in years and never had a visit and do have a smart tv.
I have a TV licence,however I haven't watched any BBC Channels nor ITV,C4,C5. I only now watch one Channel,and that's Quest or Quest+1
I live in east london. Theyve threatened to visit for 12y and never have... too dangerous round here.
😂😂😂😂
Here's an interesting one. I'm a radio ham with an OFCOM licence to receive and transmit audio and video signals on various radio bands. I cannot "broadcast" my TV signals other than to say "hello, I am here" and then continue with anyone who replies. But physics doesn't differentiate according to law. Would I need a TV licence to receive a Fast Scan TV signal in addition to my OFCOM licence?
The physics isn't different but the purpose is. The amateur radio licence doesn't cover you to decode and watch cinematic video from television broadcasters live using the equipment you describe, afaik. I presume you're also not licensed to transmit on those frequencies allocated to public television broadcast.
Only if the video is an ‘official’ broadcast at a scheduled time, like any ‘live’ TV broadcaster.
@@DrGreenGiant No. I cannot transmit or receive on frequencies allocated to public broadcast TV. But I wonder if a listener would need a TV licence on those frequencies I can.
@@SteveBrace I don't see how that would be any difference to the receiver, amp and speakers of consumer TV, so probably license required?
It's been a long while since I liked through the license regs, curious if they say anything.
M3OOH by the way! Not that I've used it in many years lol
@@SteveBraceI wouldn't worry about it too much they are finishing to rest your TV anyway all going online
If they show up with a warrant and no test equipment you still keep the door closed. How can you test equipment with no tools? They would need signal analyzers, scopes, and who knows what else to test anything.
Regarding giving reasonable assistance if they have a warranty to inspect equipment. I pay for the electricity in my property, if I switch it off can they force me to switch it on. I feel I shouldn't have to provide energy at my cost for there inspection. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Maybe an uninvited caller could sell the occupier English lessons or a dictionary - ‘liston'!?
I would honestly say I do not remember a password.
Wouldn't they simply insist you go through a password reset exercise in that case?
That would only be honest if you genuinely could not remember.
They should be able to tell from their own end if you have logged into and watched the BBCi player, so it makes the request a bit pointless
@@jaybe2908There are other things online that legally require a licence. Amazon Prime sports, or certain youtube channels, for instance.
We have a sign on our electric gates post that says " No trespassing, we are tired of hiding the bodies. We don't get any unwanted calls 😅
Hey how much did ya electric gates cost?
@@IANHANDS around £1800 over 15 years ago but worth every penny.
I knew someone who was a salesman and they said to me if the other person doesn’t engage you can’t make a sale, tv licensing visitors are salesmen or women. They like to pretend they are special and have powers to match but in reality they have none at all. Any bonafide salesman or woman would identify themselves and say they are from Company X or something similar, when they ask are you Mr Smith or Mrs Jones you can be very certain that no good can come from dealing with them. Politely ask who the person is and say as little as possible, if they won’t identify themselves then say “ no thank you” and close the door. If you can get used to having the security chain on and always ask “who is it?” before opening the door, a spy hole might allow you to see the person and then you can decide if they should be allowed in or not. A Ring doorbell or similar will allow you to see the other person and they won’t know where you are, you could be walking the dog or somewhere else.
Well we have been attempting to charge these horrible TV stations for their unapproved sending RF TV signals into our private house properties. We gave no consent at all to allow them to send TV RF signals into our privates lots and houses. How dare they do such things.
Right, they should be paying us for transmitting stuff through our private property
@helifynoe9930
> Well we have been attempting to charge these horrible TV stations for their unapproved
> sending RF TV signals into our private house properties. We gave no consent at all to allow
> them to send TV RF signals into our privates lots and houses. How dare they do such things.
Just build a Faraday cage around your house.
Or wear tinfoil hats and underpants.
So then what? When they have a warrant, with our computers, we have to let them rifle through everything on the computer? Every browser? Every account? Just zero privacy while some random chap goes on and on through all your personal accounts? And then what happens if you've got a company laptop in the house and they insist on accessing your company laptop?
This is complete and utter lunacy honestly.
Don't worry, it won't happen.
Interesting but all this is so vague: login to what with authentication of what type? What equipment are we talking about? How does buying equipment with the "sole purpose" apply to modern devices. Is it TV equipment only, whatever that means. Many TVs double as gaming platforms for example.
From memory, the first time anybody had a legal duty to self incriminate was with the advent of the breathalyser.
No,they can’t
Even if they can,they can’t
As always, the video contains really useful information but I'd have liked an explanation for how TV Licensing may obtain a warrant, having had no communication whatsoever from the resident of the property to which the warrant applies. In the absence of this, how can a warrant be issued?
@@anonnemo2504As rare as obtaining a warrant are, in answer they can't, because in theory they will not have any proof you were watching live tv or accessing BBC I player. In theory whoever signs off the warrant needs that proof, and if they did issue a warrant based on basic hearsay or in this case they might be watching live TV or accessing BBC I player , then it wouldn't be lawful. However, thats not to say they wouldn't get said warrant, as they are probably bulk issued on demand by Capita.
@@anonnemo2504rare as hen's teeth. It's fear mongering. Nothing will happen
Yes they can wen you don’t listen
We had a "i'le be back " note put through the door while we were home ...no knock ,no ring ...we heard it pushed through the door....🧐
I have a similar sign and it is regularly ignored!
correct me if i'm wrong, but i suspect judges are sent warrant applications for tv licence en masse by bbc and judges issue warrants en masse too, i very much doubt a judge will study individual applications on merit and then decide on a warrant issue, i suspect that that would be far too time consuming. they probably issue warrants for bbc in batches.
I've been licence free for 33 years, I went to court so many times I was on first name terms with my bailiff, I'd refused to pay the fine, he'd book me in to spent a night in the cells.
A bailiff booking you and making you spend a night in the cells! Yeah right.
@@noProphet550 that was how it used to go down
@@davidwells7279 And which decade are you claiming that this used to happen? I assume you're talking about the UK.
You did used to be able to pay fines with nights in jail in the UK but it has been stopped now
@@localbod .. "Licence free for 33 years." 2024 - 33 = 1991. Since you're struggling to math.
Demand to see the warrent. If it's not signed by a judge with a pen. It's not valid. A stamp or a printed copy is not valid. No entry granted. Close door. I've done this dance 3 times. Over 23 years.
A warrant doesn't need a wet ink signature.
There are other videos on this very channel that point out the fallacy that you are basing this on.
The police, generally speaking, will not break your door down over a TV licence search warrant. But they might. And your legal wafflery will not stop them.
Electronic warrants are valid
Nord. Best bit of advice you’ve given. Only covers 6 bits of tech.
When i removed their implied right of access they sent a tv detector van to sit outside my home to try and scare me but it had the opposite effect, i had so much fun confronting the driver before he sped off.
No such thing as a tv detector van.
"Can TV licensing demand your password?" Well.........................no! What password?
Just don't answer the door in the first place, its that simple
I swear I read once the revoking an implied right of access to the TVLA could in itself be grounds for them obtaining a warrant?