One good point to mention: As far as I am aware, Veritas are the only ones to make a bevel up jackrabbit. Stanley made the No 10 series, which are rare and more fragile, and Lie Neilson modeled theirs on the No 10. Both bevel up, and if you want a lower angle you have to buy the extra frog for the Lie Neilson. I very often cut large limber frame joints into massive beams. The Veritas Jackrabbit is the only plane that suits my needs. And since no one else will make a bevel up jackrabbit, it's that or nothing.
Just found your channel and already found the first 3 videos I watched quite useful. You’ve helped me decide between several tools due to your detailed reviews. Plus I’ve enjoyed your speaking cadence. It has certainly kept me watching and not wonder off in the middle of the video. Looking forward to future content from you.
Another good video packed with information. I am really enjoying this format. Keep it up! I only have one comment on this video. When you mentioned the longevity of the blade. The only person that would really have an issue with it would be a professional who uses it every day. As a hobbyist myself, it wouldn't matter. I have an old Stanley 605 that I was given over 10 years ago by my wife's mother. It originally beloved to my wife's great grandfather who was a professional woodworker. The blade is original and is very short. It works perfectly and probably will for a long time. Long story short, no hobbyist should worry about blade length. It will last longer than you.
I found your channel recently and enjoy the informative content. I believe you are one of the best in this aspect and have influenced me in buying some of these tools and am very happy with them, thank you. You keep posting and I will keep watching
You can change the tote of the Bevel Up Jack. The custom handles fit perfectly! I changed basically on all my bevel up planes to the custom handles because I like the lower hang angle of the custom handles. Scrub, Jack, Smoother, Jointer
A Jack Rabbet is just about my best loved plane. As you mention, super handy for timber framing. Your review makes a very compelling argument for the Veritas - that adjustable mouth is an especially cool feature, and those four lateral set screws are a great innovation. And the low angle could be handy for end-grain shoulder trimming. But I can't justify the high price when I already have a well-used Stanley #10 which has worked hard for me for many years. Admittedly, I have coveted a beautiful Lie Nielsen 10-1/4 with its Bedrock style frog adjuster for a long time, but now I'll be wanting that Veritas instead. Made in Canada too - what could be better.
I thought about you when I was making this video. I didn't know if you wanted a shout-out, hahha I get what you are saying on the price, esp if you have a no 10. Do you need/use a fence with it? I wonder if Lee Valley would sell the JR cheaper without a fence?
@@BatCaveCreations I haven't used a fence on my jack rabbet in the past, mostly cleaning up big tenons. I can imagine it would be useful in some situations, like door and window frame rabbets. In the past I've simply clamped or tacked a wooden cleat on the workpiece and run the cheek of the JR against that. At a much smaller scale we use that technique with a little Stanley 92 shoulder to cut the 3/4" stem and transom gains in lapstrake boatbuilding. Dude, your videos are inspiring me go down the Lee Valley to buy toys I never knew I needed. 😂
@Wintermutt hahahah I guess look at the JR as a time saver and more durable than the stanley 10! While you are there tell them to start sending me a % of the sales!!!! Hahaah
One thing you mentioned in this video that is barely ever talked about is the toothed blade for the jack plane. It would be interesting to see your use of it. I know some people tend to use that blade, as I understand it, like a scrub plane. Is that accurate? I don't know, it would be awesome to see a video showing it.
Yes! I love the toothed irons! I use then in replace of the scrub if I'm getting alot of tare out. The fine toothed iron is also really good for prepping a surface for veneer! I have the course toothed, that would make a good video. I'll see what I can do! Thank you!
Thank you! I am working on incorporating videos on how to use the tools and builds. I tried a build video as I am sure you saw but didnt like it so I deleted and will try again with a diff method :D
@@BatCaveCreations It does thanks! I have the bevel up jack already as my daily workhorse and the small plow and large router for joinery, so I'll likely be better off with the skew rabbet and just using the saw + chisel when I need to power through heavy stock.
Hi Jamie, thanks for sharing your video, always enjoyed! I have the Veritas Low-Angle Jack Plane. Could you provide a link to the fence you mentioned in the video that supports that Jack plane?
Hey! Thank you! Here is the link: www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/maintenance-and-accessories/74646-veritas-universal-variable-angle-plane-fence?item=05P3008
The fence for the Jack kinda stinks. It doesn't have anything to screw into so it's just a friction hold from two nuts against the cheek of the plane. I have never used it completely successfully. It also doesn't have any detents to tell you when it's exactly 90°, much less 45 or something else.
Ah the one that just clamps to the side? I haven't had a change to try it but I'll deff keep that in mind! They do have a variable one but I'm not sure if it fits the jack. I should get all of them and do a comparison lol
The only reason I can think of why you shouldn’t buy the Rabbet version (besides price) is that since the iron cuts all the way to the edge of the casting, you can’t use it with a shooting board or else the plane will just destroy it.
Valid point. I thought about building like a sled for one with a little 1/16th strip to cover the bottom of the blade but never got around to trying it haha
I wanted a rabbet, so I got the Jack Rabbet. I put 2 oak sides on it & find I prefer my #5. I glad I didn't get the other one. Its a fantastic shooter with a side & the handle angled. The fence rods fit my small plow when I need longer than what came with it. Oh, and I bought it during the seconds sale. There is a tiny void in the casting I have to squint to see.
I LOVE the seconds sale! I didn't realize that about the plow cus I don't have one but thats awesome! I also didn't think about the fact that you can put 2 fences on this. Thank you!!!
@Bat Cave Creations It's got a good bit of mass about it , the accuracy and incriminate detents etc are a game changer . You wouldn't be disappointed with it especially for tge price . Think I was £100 uk about 4yrs ago so not sure how much it would be now .
Slow adjuster (Norris) option A ? (as they say in Canada right)? Sounds like there may be a bit more “slop” in the standard adjuster? A’m I right to think this? If so, you can signify by saying “A”………(as they say in Canada) 😂
I'm curious if you would ever do a video comparing the different manufacturers of Norris style adjusters ( e.g. the new Stanleys vs. Veritas ). I have a couple of LV tools, but no planes with those adjusters. The first planes I bought are the new Stanley LA block and LA jack. I have been turned off by the Norris adjusters on the Stanley planes and wonder how much of that is impacted by lower build quality in the new Stanleys. I have to say I am curious about your input.
@Bat Cave Creations that would be really cool! I'm hoping for my case it's just user error. If you are unable to find someone in your area (or wherever you look 😀), I still have mine. I would be open to sending one out to borrow for that.
oooh! I only know of 1 person in the Can I Have It group that has one and its unused so he doesnt want me to use it haha. The only other one I see is for sale for $100+ ship. Can you DM me on Facebook?
I’ve seen videos about older jack rabbet planes having issues with the cheeks flexing or tending to break when used as a regular bevel up plane. Is the new Veritas version’s casting reinforced on the sides to compensate?
I asked our Veritas contact: This is a very common problem with vintage planes because of the grey iron they were made from, the modern ductile iron is strong enough to withstand the forces of a BU plane. This is why few vintage BU Jacks have survived as the stell was not strong enough to withstand the forces involved, also why many of these have been repaired by welding. This was not a problem for vintage BD planes as the frog takes the bulk of the stresses, but a BU plane has no frog, the blade is bedded in the body and has to take all the stress. In a JR (or a rabbet block plane) design you remove a lot of structure from the sidewalls to provide the opening, which weakens s the plane.
Cool video. Do you ever have problems with the brass bushings on the fence? I have a small plow plane, and half the time when I adjust the fence, the wrong half of the brass part comes off. It is not a big deal when it happens, but I think it is one of the drawbacks. I just got a number 4 bevel up plane from lee valley, I got it for fun, I have a great number 4 but I like the idea of variety, plus more planes means longer periods between having to sharpen.
Thank you! Do you mean that the brass knob comes off? I haven't had that happen but I been them really close to being tight. Try loosening and taking the fence off. Tighten the knobs down to where they are almost thigh. Or tighten them down and losses slightly then try it. Lemmie know if you meant something different, we have a Veritas contact I can ask. The bevel ups are alot of fun! I really enjoy using them!
@@BatCaveCreations Yes, for me when I have the knobs screwed down tight and try to unscrew the knob, the insert that holds the knob ends up unscrewing. I am not sure if the mechanism they use is the same in both fences. But at least on the small plow plane it is a brass insert screwed into the body of the plane, that has a screw that the brass knob screws into. So if I tighten it down too much I end up unscrewing the insert in stead of unscrewing the knob. But it has been a little while since I have used my plane, so this could be just the part I remember being upset by. And looking at my Stanley 50 & 45 and wondering how did Stanley do it, the answer to this is thumb screws. And thinking Lee Valley must have gotten a good deal on brass at some point. Though that might just be me liking thumbscrews better than a knob that can take the insert out. When I get to the point of using it again with the project I am currently working on I may be able to offer a better explanation.
Ah ok, ya I deff recommend reaching out to Lee Valley. I asked our contact too and that is what he recommends they may need to send you a diff part or something cus that shouldn't be happening.
@@BatCaveCreations Cool I will try that. Thanks. I just thought it was more of a quirk of the tool. But I will reach out to customer support and see what they say.
How well does this one hold up as a standard jack? I'm trying to decide between the skew block AND the low angle jack OR just get the jack rabbet. Just the jack rabbet would be cheaper overall, but if there are drawbacks to have a plane that can do a lot in one package, I'd like to know. Thoughts?
I personally would not use the Jack Rabbet as a normal Jack Plane. You gotta worry about the plane lines with the corners of the iron digging into the wood. you do not want to camber the iron on the jack rabbet. So the only time I would use it as a normal jackplane would be on edge grain where the corners wont dig in. The benefit of the normal LA Jack is that you can also get different irons with different angles and toothed irons. I see the LA Jack as a workhorse, and the Jack Rabbet as a specialty plane. Overall, if you are getting the Skew Block, you don't need the Jack Rabbet right now. maybe down the line for bigger projects. but if you don't have a LA jack or a jack plane at all, 100% go for the LA Jack and not the Jack Rabbet. I hope this helps!
@@BatCaveCreations That does help! I have a stanley number 5 and a few other vintage bailey pattern planes, but I want to try a bevel up. I thought about doing the same thing you said and have blades for different purposes in the jack rabbet, one with camber and one for rabbeting. I just don't really see why it WOULDN'T work as a normal LAJ, but it might not be optimal. Having a really hard time deciding.
hm you could do different irons with diff angles for the Jack Rabbet, they dont have toothed irons for it tho. i feel like if you camber the iron on the jack rabbit then the corners of the mouth it self would dig in? I never tried it tho lol honestly, you will be happy with either one. they are both great, if you get the Jack Rabbet and learn it doesnt work the way you would like as a normal Jack then grab the LA Jack, i know that adds more $$ but.... I really like having both. didnt aquire them at the same time. a few years between. I started with the LA Jack then added the Jack Rabbet later when i started getting better at woodworking and saw projects where i could use it. Maybe that helps too? If you know for sure, you will use the specialty part of the Jack Rabbet, get it. If you aren't sure you will, get the LA Jack. that is another way to look at it.
@@BatCaveCreations Thanks man! Good thoughts and I appreciate your work in showing these things off in detail. Would love to see some action shots sometime too! Keep up the good work!
The more I work with handplanes, the more I think bevel up planes are a waste of time. A bevel down plane with an appropriately set chipbreaker will outperform a bevel up plane 99% of the time. (Not counting extreme high angle bevels.)
Thats what made me switch to bevel down. Now bevel up is ALOT easier for new woodworkers to lean. Do I still have bevel up.. well obviously hahha but I keep them cus they do come in handy and still have a place in the shop for me. Now... 99% of woodworking is preference thay plays a big role in this and so does skill. More advanced woodworkers can get bevel down planes to do anything if they take the time to learn the tool. Neither choice makes anyone less of a woodworker in case other read this :) 😀
RIGHT! did you see they came out with a new plane? it's like the Record 043, a small box plow. I ordered it and it will be here soon so VIDEO IN THE WORKS lol
@@BatCaveCreations It looks like a great addition to the line up. From the looks of it, the small plow can add a skate for wider blades and has the collet fence like the jack rabbet here. Less expensive than the small plow. If you're making drawer bottoms, you're not going to adjust the fence.
I'm really excited about it I have the record 043 and am selling the Rapier (043) copy. I like both but the 043 is... lose idk how to explain it so I'm hoping this one takes the cake and I can sell that one too. Honestly I have the 043 and the rapier so I didn't have to change cutters and adjust the fence lol I don't have the veritas plow so I may end up with 2 of the box plows haha
One good point to mention:
As far as I am aware, Veritas are the only ones to make a bevel up jackrabbit. Stanley made the No 10 series, which are rare and more fragile, and Lie Neilson modeled theirs on the No 10. Both bevel up, and if you want a lower angle you have to buy the extra frog for the Lie Neilson.
I very often cut large limber frame joints into massive beams.
The Veritas Jackrabbit is the only plane that suits my needs. And since no one else will make a bevel up jackrabbit, it's that or nothing.
Very true! I did a video on the jack rabbet it's an awesome plane!
Wonderful video! I have the regular jack plane and I absolutely love it. Its big and beefy and cuts like a dream.
Just found your channel and already found the first 3 videos I watched quite useful. You’ve helped me decide between several tools due to your detailed reviews. Plus I’ve enjoyed your speaking cadence. It has certainly kept me watching and not wonder off in the middle of the video. Looking forward to future content from you.
Thank you! I appreciate that and welcome!!! I'm an oddball, you will see :) 😆 🤣
Another good video packed with information. I am really enjoying this format. Keep it up!
I only have one comment on this video. When you mentioned the longevity of the blade. The only person that would really have an issue with it would be a professional who uses it every day. As a hobbyist myself, it wouldn't matter. I have an old Stanley 605 that I was given over 10 years ago by my wife's mother. It originally beloved to my wife's great grandfather who was a professional woodworker. The blade is original and is very short. It works perfectly and probably will for a long time.
Long story short, no hobbyist should worry about blade length. It will last longer than you.
I found your channel recently and enjoy the informative content. I believe you are one of the best in this aspect and have influenced me in buying some of these tools and am very happy with them, thank you. You keep posting and I will keep watching
Thank you, John! I appreciate you taking the time to tell me this. Means more than you know!!
That's why I got both planes during the Veritas second sale in the fall. Saves you some cash if you can wait.
i LOVE the seconds sale! lol
You can change the tote of the Bevel Up Jack. The custom handles fit perfectly! I changed basically on all my bevel up planes to the custom handles because I like the lower hang angle of the custom handles. Scrub, Jack, Smoother, Jointer
100% agree! My friend 3d printed me a tote to swap out with this one. Love it!
A Jack Rabbet is just about my best loved plane. As you mention, super handy for timber framing. Your review makes a very compelling argument for the Veritas - that adjustable mouth is an especially cool feature, and those four lateral set screws are a great innovation. And the low angle could be handy for end-grain shoulder trimming.
But I can't justify the high price when I already have a well-used Stanley #10 which has worked hard for me for many years. Admittedly, I have coveted a beautiful Lie Nielsen 10-1/4 with its Bedrock style frog adjuster for a long time, but now I'll be wanting that Veritas instead. Made in Canada too - what could be better.
I thought about you when I was making this video. I didn't know if you wanted a shout-out, hahha
I get what you are saying on the price, esp if you have a no 10. Do you need/use a fence with it? I wonder if Lee Valley would sell the JR cheaper without a fence?
@@BatCaveCreations I haven't used a fence on my jack rabbet in the past, mostly cleaning up big tenons. I can imagine it would be useful in some situations, like door and window frame rabbets. In the past I've simply clamped or tacked a wooden cleat on the workpiece and run the cheek of the JR against that. At a much smaller scale we use that technique with a little Stanley 92 shoulder to cut the 3/4" stem and transom gains in lapstrake boatbuilding.
Dude, your videos are inspiring me go down the Lee Valley to buy toys I never knew I needed. 😂
@Wintermutt hahahah I guess look at the JR as a time saver and more durable than the stanley 10! While you are there tell them to start sending me a % of the sales!!!! Hahaah
One thing you mentioned in this video that is barely ever talked about is the toothed blade for the jack plane. It would be interesting to see your use of it. I know some people tend to use that blade, as I understand it, like a scrub plane. Is that accurate? I don't know, it would be awesome to see a video showing it.
Yes! I love the toothed irons! I use then in replace of the scrub if I'm getting alot of tare out.
The fine toothed iron is also really good for prepping a surface for veneer!
I have the course toothed, that would make a good video. I'll see what I can do! Thank you!
Your videos keep getting better and better. Would have like to have seen you cut rabbet. Thanks!
Thank you! I am working on incorporating videos on how to use the tools and builds. I tried a build video as I am sure you saw but didnt like it so I deleted and will try again with a diff method :D
@@BatCaveCreations I liked it!
The rest of it wasnt good tho lol i liked those two but i feel weird leaving the videos if im not gonna continue the series hahha
I have both and I agree with essentially everything said here
Thank you!
I'm going to have to unsubscribe. You keep showing me tools I didn't know I "needed"! Keep up the good work!
Hahaaha thank you! It sounds like imma have a hate group for making ppl buy/want tools, ur not alone! Hahaha
Thanks for the info, trying to decide between the jack rabbet and the skew rabbet to round out my collection.
The skew rabbet will basically be rabbits only but it will be better at them than the jack will if that helps at all haha
@@BatCaveCreations It does thanks! I have the bevel up jack already as my daily workhorse and the small plow and large router for joinery, so I'll likely be better off with the skew rabbet and just using the saw + chisel when I need to power through heavy stock.
@Wohlfe That's good thinking!
Hi Jamie, thanks for sharing your video, always enjoyed!
I have the Veritas Low-Angle Jack Plane. Could you provide a link to the fence you mentioned in the video that supports that Jack plane?
Hey! Thank you!
Here is the link: www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/maintenance-and-accessories/74646-veritas-universal-variable-angle-plane-fence?item=05P3008
Sweet, thank you! I’ll definitely check that out!
Thank you for the 🍻 🍺!!!
I ended up purchasing that fence. It works great! Thanks again!
The fence for the Jack kinda stinks. It doesn't have anything to screw into so it's just a friction hold from two nuts against the cheek of the plane. I have never used it completely successfully. It also doesn't have any detents to tell you when it's exactly 90°, much less 45 or something else.
Ah the one that just clamps to the side? I haven't had a change to try it but I'll deff keep that in mind! They do have a variable one but I'm not sure if it fits the jack. I should get all of them and do a comparison lol
The only reason I can think of why you shouldn’t buy the Rabbet version (besides price) is that since the iron cuts all the way to the edge of the casting, you can’t use it with a shooting board or else the plane will just destroy it.
Valid point. I thought about building like a sled for one with a little 1/16th strip to cover the bottom of the blade but never got around to trying it haha
I wanted a rabbet, so I got the Jack Rabbet. I put 2 oak sides on it & find I prefer my #5. I glad I didn't get the other one. Its a fantastic shooter with a side & the handle angled. The fence rods fit my small plow when I need longer than what came with it. Oh, and I bought it during the seconds sale. There is a tiny void in the casting I have to squint to see.
I LOVE the seconds sale!
I didn't realize that about the plow cus I don't have one but thats awesome! I also didn't think about the fact that you can put 2 fences on this. Thank you!!!
@@BatCaveCreations It would be great if Veritas had metal side plates you could buy, but my oak ones will do.
The option would be cool! I prefer wooden tho, that's another reason I don't like the clamp on fences hahah
Would love to see veritas micro adjust (the newer one) vs titemark vs tay tools marking gauges!
That's a great idea! I don't have any of them :( I'll keep an eye out and snag then if I can!
Best marking gauge you will get is the Jessem !
It's not to bulky? I've thought about that one but it looks like it will get in the way :/
@Bat Cave Creations It's got a good bit of mass about it , the accuracy and incriminate detents etc are a game changer . You wouldn't be disappointed with it especially for tge price . Think I was £100 uk about 4yrs ago so not sure how much it would be now .
Ok cool! Thank you! I'll check it out+
Slow adjuster (Norris) option A ? (as they say in Canada right)? Sounds like there may be a bit more “slop” in the standard adjuster? A’m I right to think this? If so, you can signify by saying “A”………(as they say in Canada) 😂
I'm curious if you would ever do a video comparing the different manufacturers of Norris style adjusters ( e.g. the new Stanleys vs. Veritas ). I have a couple of LV tools, but no planes with those adjusters. The first planes I bought are the new Stanley LA block and LA jack. I have been turned off by the Norris adjusters on the Stanley planes and wonder how much of that is impacted by lower build quality in the new Stanleys. I have to say I am curious about your input.
I love this idea!!! They are pricey lemmie see if I know anyone that can let me borrow their stanley!
@Bat Cave Creations that would be really cool! I'm hoping for my case it's just user error. If you are unable to find someone in your area (or wherever you look 😀), I still have mine. I would be open to sending one out to borrow for that.
oooh! I only know of 1 person in the Can I Have It group that has one and its unused so he doesnt want me to use it haha. The only other one I see is for sale for $100+ ship. Can you DM me on Facebook?
I’ve seen videos about older jack rabbet planes having issues with the cheeks flexing or tending to break when used as a regular bevel up plane. Is the new Veritas version’s casting reinforced on the sides to compensate?
I asked our Veritas contact: This is a very common problem with vintage planes because of the grey iron they were made from, the modern ductile iron is strong enough to withstand the forces of a BU plane. This is why few vintage BU Jacks have survived as the stell was not strong enough to withstand the forces involved, also why many of these have been repaired by welding.
This was not a problem for vintage BD planes as the frog takes the bulk of the stresses, but a BU plane has no frog, the blade is bedded in the body and has to take all the stress. In a JR (or a rabbet block plane) design you remove a lot of structure from the sidewalls to provide the opening, which weakens s the plane.
@@BatCaveCreations new word for me: “stell: a partial enclosure made by a wall …”
Lol I looked that one up too!
@@BatCaveCreations I thought "stell" was a typo for "steel"! 🤣
That fits too!!! Haahah
Cool video. Do you ever have problems with the brass bushings on the fence? I have a small plow plane, and half the time when I adjust the fence, the wrong half of the brass part comes off. It is not a big deal when it happens, but I think it is one of the drawbacks.
I just got a number 4 bevel up plane from lee valley, I got it for fun, I have a great number 4 but I like the idea of variety, plus more planes means longer periods between having to sharpen.
Thank you! Do you mean that the brass knob comes off?
I haven't had that happen but I been them really close to being tight. Try loosening and taking the fence off. Tighten the knobs down to where they are almost thigh. Or tighten them down and losses slightly then try it.
Lemmie know if you meant something different, we have a Veritas contact I can ask.
The bevel ups are alot of fun! I really enjoy using them!
@@BatCaveCreations Yes, for me when I have the knobs screwed down tight and try to unscrew the knob, the insert that holds the knob ends up unscrewing. I am not sure if the mechanism they use is the same in both fences. But at least on the small plow plane it is a brass insert screwed into the body of the plane, that has a screw that the brass knob screws into. So if I tighten it down too much I end up unscrewing the insert in stead of unscrewing the knob.
But it has been a little while since I have used my plane, so this could be just the part I remember being upset by. And looking at my Stanley 50 & 45 and wondering how did Stanley do it, the answer to this is thumb screws. And thinking Lee Valley must have gotten a good deal on brass at some point. Though that might just be me liking thumbscrews better than a knob that can take the insert out.
When I get to the point of using it again with the project I am currently working on I may be able to offer a better explanation.
Ah ok, ya I deff recommend reaching out to Lee Valley. I asked our contact too and that is what he recommends they may need to send you a diff part or something cus that shouldn't be happening.
@@BatCaveCreations Cool I will try that. Thanks. I just thought it was more of a quirk of the tool. But I will reach out to customer support and see what they say.
I hope they can help! Deff doesn't sound like a quirk. I think it has an error. If you remember, please let me know! :)
How well does this one hold up as a standard jack? I'm trying to decide between the skew block AND the low angle jack OR just get the jack rabbet. Just the jack rabbet would be cheaper overall, but if there are drawbacks to have a plane that can do a lot in one package, I'd like to know.
Thoughts?
I personally would not use the Jack Rabbet as a normal Jack Plane. You gotta worry about the plane lines with the corners of the iron digging into the wood. you do not want to camber the iron on the jack rabbet. So the only time I would use it as a normal jackplane would be on edge grain where the corners wont dig in.
The benefit of the normal LA Jack is that you can also get different irons with different angles and toothed irons. I see the LA Jack as a workhorse, and the Jack Rabbet as a specialty plane.
Overall, if you are getting the Skew Block, you don't need the Jack Rabbet right now. maybe down the line for bigger projects. but if you don't have a LA jack or a jack plane at all, 100% go for the LA Jack and not the Jack Rabbet. I hope this helps!
@@BatCaveCreations That does help! I have a stanley number 5 and a few other vintage bailey pattern planes, but I want to try a bevel up. I thought about doing the same thing you said and have blades for different purposes in the jack rabbet, one with camber and one for rabbeting. I just don't really see why it WOULDN'T work as a normal LAJ, but it might not be optimal. Having a really hard time deciding.
hm you could do different irons with diff angles for the Jack Rabbet, they dont have toothed irons for it tho.
i feel like if you camber the iron on the jack rabbit then the corners of the mouth it self would dig in? I never tried it tho lol
honestly, you will be happy with either one. they are both great, if you get the Jack Rabbet and learn it doesnt work the way you would like as a normal Jack then grab the LA Jack, i know that adds more $$ but.... I really like having both. didnt aquire them at the same time. a few years between. I started with the LA Jack then added the Jack Rabbet later when i started getting better at woodworking and saw projects where i could use it. Maybe that helps too?
If you know for sure, you will use the specialty part of the Jack Rabbet, get it. If you aren't sure you will, get the LA Jack. that is another way to look at it.
@@BatCaveCreations Thanks man! Good thoughts and I appreciate your work in showing these things off in detail. Would love to see some action shots sometime too! Keep up the good work!
Thank you! I hope to get more action shots also! I miss building things lol havent been able to in a while but SOON i hope!
The more I work with handplanes, the more I think bevel up planes are a waste of time.
A bevel down plane with an appropriately set chipbreaker will outperform a bevel up plane 99% of the time. (Not counting extreme high angle bevels.)
Thats what made me switch to bevel down. Now bevel up is ALOT easier for new woodworkers to lean.
Do I still have bevel up.. well obviously hahha but I keep them cus they do come in handy and still have a place in the shop for me. Now... 99% of woodworking is preference thay plays a big role in this and so does skill. More advanced woodworkers can get bevel down planes to do anything if they take the time to learn the tool. Neither choice makes anyone less of a woodworker in case other read this :) 😀
@Bat Cave Creations Yep, that's fair. Just pointing out where I've come to be after trying both.
I'm happy you did!!! Don't take me wrong! I love hearing ppls opinions and experiences!
The Veritas Jack Rabbet is a remake of the Stanley Carriage Makers plane
It it, but deff not a copy it is very diff hahah same concept tho!
@Bat Cave Creations definitely an upgrade from the Stanley
Is it Jack Rabbit or Jack Rabbet?
lol good catch, fixed it!
@@BatCaveCreations In the UK it would be Jack Rebate😄
ahhahahah I realized I forgot to mention that in this video lol but trust me i love you all in the UK!
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Veritas, so hot right now 🔥
RIGHT! did you see they came out with a new plane? it's like the Record 043, a small box plow. I ordered it and it will be here soon so VIDEO IN THE WORKS lol
@@BatCaveCreations and with that knowledge, I need to ring the bell for future updates. 🔔
lol! it will be 2-3 days but you know as soon as I get it ill be working on the video cus I'm really excited about it!
@@BatCaveCreations It looks like a great addition to the line up. From the looks of it, the small plow can add a skate for wider blades and has the collet fence like the jack rabbet here. Less expensive than the small plow. If you're making drawer bottoms, you're not going to adjust the fence.
I'm really excited about it I have the record 043 and am selling the Rapier (043) copy. I like both but the 043 is... lose idk how to explain it so I'm hoping this one takes the cake and I can sell that one too. Honestly I have the 043 and the rapier so I didn't have to change cutters and adjust the fence lol I don't have the veritas plow so I may end up with 2 of the box plows haha