2258 A World First - Tree Bark Based Alternative Plastic
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If it's 75%bark is the rest something like 20% plastic and 5% colorant If so that doesn't sound very good for your garden?
That is my thought as well.
Yeah true. Seems like this would be most beneficial to plastic that ends up in a landfill anyways.
Not according to what I've read. It's just some other stuff made from biological matter. It's also compostable, and breaks down completely in a natural compost environment within one to two months. So it looks pretty good.
@@MatthewAnguis well if you're right about that then great!
As long as straw does not disolve while I drink my drink with it, I'm more than happy it to be made out of compostable material.
There's a whole heap of negativity in these comments!
Surely, this is 100 times better than the huge volume of totally non-biodegradeable plastic floating around in the sea or in landfills?
Volume wise this is a massive win!
Thank you for yet another brilliant bit of info 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻
In responce to some of the ill informed comments, most plastic fillers are either stone or glass based not other plastic. The dies can be organic or purely man made. However it should be noted that just becuase a substance originates from an organic source it does not follow that the end product will be harmless or environmentally harmless.
In order to make a polymer out of bark it would require some quite intensive processing to brake down the various starches in to siutable materials to make the type of long chain molecules required to produce a stable plastic. Also regaurding the machinery used to produce plastic parts the hoppers, covey metheds, heaters and extruders may be the same, but unless the expansoin and contraction rates are the same as the plastic that is being replaced new tooling would be required. As the tooling cost is a large upfront cost for any plastic injection moulded part it may still be prohibative when it comes to changing over. Another point is that generally the higher the ratio of filler to polymer, the higher ther extruder and tool ware that enevitably requires expensive maintenance and tool replacement. Not everything is as it first seems. Having said that I hope it works and that the claims are genuine.
That beats barking up the wrong tree.
It's been a while since I took a plastics course, but if I remember right just 3% lamp black can improve strength by 10% and is more effective at UV resistance than HALS.
Cellophane, acetate and triacetate fabrics made from organic fibers. They also decided to use soy as plastic to coat the wires in EVs to keep them green and they have turned into rats lunches.
They didnt process the soy further 😂😂😂😂
Soy isolate is reacted with Sodium hydroxide/heat to form a kind of plastic typically used as a glue for laminating plywood.
I got news for you, rodents have been chewing wires for years. Originally they put lead in the plastic insulation to improve heat resistance & keep it flexible. Turns out, lead is sweet, rats positively loved it.
@@sinenomine9093 I know that but apparently they like the soy plastic a whole bunch.
Things like this that aren't in the mainline news are imo going to be what actually changes the world for the better
I seen a construction project that had a gravel parking lot during the build phase and the dust was unacceptable so after consulting another company that sprayed roads for dust control it was suggested we use a solution made from culled fruit tree bark to spray the gravel, it works great and does break down after a few rainy days however we avoided the benzene containing chloride waste product of the oil and gas industry that most people opted for.
They should call it Barkerlite ... 🤓
(biodegradable "natural plastics" is one of my favourite topics)
+1 for Barkelite.
Can someone please tell me why we're so focused on greenhouse gasses, while we continue to overlook the environmental toxicity timebomb that plastics are creating(?) Putting all our eggs into greenhouse gas reduction, is hardly going to matter when biological life/DNA synthesis succumbs to disease-related plastic toxicity.
to be honest mate somebody, somewhere at sometime is thinking of everything
@@ThinkingandTinkering - I certanly hope you're right & hope they're addressing the growing plastic toxicity problem, as much as they are constantly beating everyone over head regarding greenhouse gas related climate issues.
Wait till the first panels start breaking down, oh hang on, too late.
Thanks for posting
Regarding the biodegradability of the plastic, it would just be the bark that's bio degrading and the plastic would be left in soil to break down slowly. That could be bad considering forever chemicals and such. Do you have any additional info on something like this and it's safety.
It is very interesting, and reducing the net plastics is a good thing... but although the macroplastic biodegrades (binders and fillers separate), the binders may still remain forever plastics that disrupt food chain of microbial life, as well as act as endochrine disruptorsnleading to sterility and other problems among larger organisms. Without more detailed data and testing, I'd not claim it safe for gardening a food source for us, or flowers that insects use for food, etc. I'd remain hopeful but hesitant and skeptical until evidence can be shown and proven safe. Also, biodegradable plastics means weaker chemical bonds, thus inferior compressive, tensile, and shear strengths, as well as accelerated deterioration. So the end product may have a very limited range of use cases. As stated, single use plasttics. However, we should also be seeking to end the single use addiction...
I hope it works better than the compostable plastic silverware on the market think it has paper in it but i do not remember exactly its also not a strong plastic silverware but it is cheep still decent just hoping it gets better!!!!!!!! Keep up the great videos!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps a new Treebant car. Interesting video as always.
I’ve been thinking a lot about plastics lately, and I don’t think we realize how much it is polluting our atmosphere. Even these companies that are recycling plastics, they are grinding them up and throwing tons of micro plastic particles in the air. I just think about how many people are, grinding, cutting plastics, and those particles are being breathed in. I know I’m guilty of doing it and I know that I will keep doing it in the future if I need to. But the other thing I’m looking at is the offgassing of plastic. People using recycled plastics to make roof tiles or artificial lawns and putting, chewed up tires to be used for building roads… Any plastic that gets heated up is going to be put out extra gases into the atmosphere. Think about how much plastic surface area out there is being heated up by the sun and just pumping our atmosphere with these gases. Take for instance your car, the inside of your windows in the cars get dirty from the plastics offgassing so what do you think is happening to our atmosphere? Think about this next time you jump into your car on a hot day how much gas are you breathing in? What I do now on a hot day is keep the car door open and run the vent fans or air conditioning for a minute or two before I get in the car and close the door. How many greenhouses are built with plastic construction? Clear or sheer plastic sheets? What kind of paint is your home interior, how healthy is the air in your home? From the synthetic paint that covers all your walls? I try now to avoid eating or drinking. Anything that has been in a plastic container that has been heated up by any means, microwave or even just the food being hot and then placed in a plastic bowl plate cup. Any type of microwavable food is all using plastic, even steam-in-bag veggies or whatever, never again. It’s just too well known of a fact about how many people get cancer from petroleum/oil based products. It’s virtually impossible to avoid these days, but this is how I try to avoid it. I’m not super paranoid about it and sometimes can’t avoid it, but it makes me feel better when I can’t avoid it, that I am doing my best to avoid it. Like, if I’m really hungry and have to eat out and it gets served in a styrofoam container, or the only cups available for coffee that I really need are styrofoam. I don’t like it, but I’m not gonna stress about it since it’s basically a one time thing. Another thing I tried to avoid is plastic clothing, polyester clothing. It’s super popular and a lot of people don’t realize that their socks and underwear are 100% polyester, and this plastic is just being pressed and grinding and heated up against your skin all day every day. How about your hat that is doing the same thing up against your forehead? Or your glasses/sunglasses? All of these little things add up over the long-term and it is no wonder why so many people are getting cancer. I use metal water bottle containers now and it is scary to see how many homes are being built with pipes, especially for the hot water lines because now you are showering in plastic water. I know the amount of ation is practically nothing but when you add the fact that you Are showering for 15 minutes every single day of your life and it only takes one cell to go bad in your body and turn cancerous, it’s just another attack stacked on that your body has to fight off. Same thing with plastic hot tubs, plastic pools, plastic lines, ponds plastic line reservoirs are you using solar plastic sheets that cover your pool to keep your pool warm? The examples are endless and The body just can’t fight off this many attacks. And that is how I go about it, if I can reduce my contact with plastic by 50%, I think it’s worth a one percent decrease in chance of getting cancer over my entire lifetime. obviously those figures aren’t exact, but it’s just an example of how I am approaching it. I would definitely like to see more plant-based synthetics/plastics.
So true, and our older generstions didn't have this much plastic exposure in their times as everything was either wood, metal or glass. Its just us that's stuck in plastic hell, once its made, it basically is poison till it burns off (to create more toxic air). Thank you Oil industry.
I guess my concern with "compostable" plastic is, what happens to the plastic fraction of the material? Is it truly 100% compostable or is there some non-compostable residual that we can't really see, aka micro-plastic,
Finding microplastics in trees wouldn't be surprising in the first place. This is clearly better as using any regular plastics come from oil. A functioning pathway towards materials already found in nature makes things easier to produce and reuse.
What we need is a 100% biodegradable plastic with a very long decay rate that could also be used as a very durable wood glue. I wonder what we would call such a wonderful material. How about Bakalite?
When you can turn plastic and paper back into a tree, you will really have something.
If the plastic is biodegradable yes it is possible as new tree eats old tree.
Its claimed Henry Ford made a very durable plastic from hemp it be something to find and dive into to know more of what its composed of. I be curious to know.
Hemp bio plastic is fairly well-known at this point, and so is hemp concrete and other hemp textiles. The fibers of the hemp plants are extremely durable.
Maybe the answer is going back to glass.
Could you use sawdust or wood chips in concrete? For building houses with.
if only we could use old solar panels all along the forest edges and beam in dc lighting to boost daytime growth,almost like inground hydroponics😁 easy way to do carbon capture!!
seems the bark is actually better than the bite.
Love your channel. Have you ever tried to build a Hendershot motor?
I've been really curious about fungus plastics. Really the longevity vs it's decay properties is a big talking point too.
I wonder if rayon reinforced cellophane would make an acceptable garbage/ yard waste bag material. I would be completely biodegradable. It's only cellulose.
How does this compare with hemp that crops four times per year, and yields plastics, textiles, and paper that rival if not surpass the qualities obtainable by current petro-chemical equivalents?
I like paper. Reading pdf files is tiresome. Even with a huge 4k monitor.
Bakelite used wood fibers as a filler material.
Surely only the bark filler bits would biodegrade?
Let’s hope the oil industry doesn’t buy the process and bury it in a very deep compost heap. Like it has likely done with many other promising ideas that could threaten the oil industry’s share of the plastics industry.
When it composts, what happens to the plastic component of the mix? Also you said it is anti-biotic, that won't help with the composting process....
Unfortunately lots of people watching will not understand that all those trees were planted for paper making 30 years ago.
Or we just stop using plastic for single use packaging.
Or make the cups entirely out of bark. But the plastic bit is unnecessary.
awesome story
Do they make a filament option for 3D printers?
Cool but hemp would be far better for paper and plastics coths on and on Oh and you can eat it.
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Or we could just continue to [bern] the bark. That's the superior solution. Either we [bern] it or nature [bern]s it. We get 40% efficiency, nature gets 0% efficiency. The choice is obvious.
I love CensorTube...
we dont need to chop down trees, we got hemp
Is there an irony making plastic from trees?
Chemurgy for the win!
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when the bark is mixed with plastic to make compstable plastic....you are simply diluting the toxic plastic....thanks but one shouldnt advocate spreading microplastics into the environment should they?
Agreed.
Dilution is the solution to pollution. It's a famous saying. Think about what it means.
I think you might have missed the point. Adding a large percentage of, in this case, bark, allows the bacteria and fungi which CAN break down (over tens to hundreds of years) the most commonly used plastics an easy food to first colonize the material and then easy access to the little bit of plastic that is there, once they're a large enough colony to quickly break all those C-C and C=C bonds.
Micro-plastics are from predominately physical abrasion, not chemical degradation and photochemical degradation is just as likely to leave a monomer as dimer as any other length but that's all just that much easier for the bacteria and fungi to chow down.
@@matthewellisor5835 still don't think it's a good idea to spread it all around the garden, it is still pollution no matter how you twist it. would rather see reuse, recycle, and concentration rather than dilution and distribution
@@AT-os6nb I'm all for reduce and reuse (I've been drinking my water from an orange juice bottle for the last few weeks and we regularly reuse "single-use" containers many times) but as to the recycling, in my area it's less than 5% by volume of what's separated for recycling that actually IS recycled so that part is WAY down my list.
The whole point is that it isn't pollution when broken down, I'm no practicing organic chemistry but I do understand a fair bit. Let's, as an example, use Polyethylene (Polyethene)
The monomer, Ethene, can be the only Carbon source for many species of bacteria, fungi and even some insects (the Indian Meal Moth which is is a constant pest in my home comes to mind) but, as a gas isn't particularly convenient until you stack a few of them together in order to keep liquid or solid in the 10-40°C ish range where most critters are happy. An aside, I imagine that there are thermophilic microbes that could process it faster but I'm not read-up on any of those.
Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't understand exactly what you're meaning my pollution in this context where the material is designed so make the chemical energy more readily available to the organisms responsible for decomposition. Just what are you worried about being left in this hypothetical garden?
I understand that this might not come across perfectly as text in the comment section but I mean the query honestly! If I've missed something, I truly want to understood your position and I'm asking for your help. If we find that we disagree, I certainly won't think less of you; In fact, I take it a generous offering when someone helps me to challenge my beliefs, opinions and understanding. If we all thought the same and spent time only confirming each other's views, how would we advance anything!?
Hey look. Big oil (plastic) found a way to join the deforestation party too. 👋
You very clearly know nothing about the logging industry.
@@ChaosSwissroIl I know enough to know they dont need big oils help to stay in business.
@@bandwidthpiggy9378 You clearly know nothing though. The logging industry commits zero deforestation. They all replant and manage forest growth because it is the most profitable course of action. They cut trees on a 35-60 year cycle and operate every single year, meaning that about ~2% of a forest is cleared a year. There is still plenty of forest for birds to nest in and rodents to climb, except now there is increased food supply because of the decreased canopy. There is actually more biodiversity and bioactivity in logged forests than in fallow forests.
@@ChaosSwissroIl Now I know something 👍
What part of "waste material" don't you understand?
Hemp can also be used to make degradable plastic
Imagine used coffee grounds being used like the bark in this video. You could have the plastic tops of takeaway Flat Whites from a barista being used. Almost a full circle, if disposed of properly
i like that idea mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering I thought I had an orignal idea. Then I starting googling the idea of coffee grounds as plastic fillers. Looks like "AirX" have already thought of it and are producing products..
One day I'll have an original thought, even if it is how to bottle farts.... :)
Cutting even more trees?