2238 The Secrets Of Generators - And Using Them To Build A New Type Of Generator
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I have been considering a way to harvest the energy from sea waives just along that principle of axial movement.
I call it “the linear generator”.
Imagine you have a perpendicular vertical pipe installed into the sea- let us say it is supported from the side off a cliff. The lower end of this vertical pipe is submerged and the upper end breaths into the air.
Waves will then result in a moving water column inside this pipe.
And when the water column moves up and down it will alternatively such and blow air in and out of the pipe.
If you imagine you install some kind of a piston inside the pipe, it should travel accordingly up and down.
The piston having a magnet stuck on to it, and outside or wound around the pipe a copper wire spool that will pick up the current from that moving magnet inside.
Now I haven’t made my prototype yet, and I suspect there will be a lot of challenges to overcome, but I’m pretty sure it would work.
Will it produce cost effectively?
I don’t know, but ocean waves are at least more likely to continue long after the wind has died down. 😊
Very good video. This was reminiscent to me of when I read Bob Brandt's book, How To Build An Electric Vehicle. Before he got into the weeds of how to actually convert an ICE car to electric power, he went in depth into the motor and generator rule, how electricity works in a motor, etc. Some of the information is kind of dated now in this age of Teslas and other mass-produced EVs, but I recommend studying that 30 year old book in detail for a great understanding of the basics.
I've seen a couple YT videos about axial flux motors saying they have a high torque to weight ratio compared to radial flux motors, but no information about how they perform as generators. Are they better than radial flux generators in terms of electrical output per unit of applied mechanical effort?
Kool, multiple plates, could be driven off, water jet. Air jet. Recycling power. Very nice...yes sir😊
Thanks for the video. I only have 1 small suggestion -- consider adding in a standard 6 or 12 volt dc motor being turned with the same drill as a comparator or "control". I am still trying to understand this design because from my view... you wrapped the coil around the entire setup @11:54... and that is boggling my mind a bit. So I am trying to catch up on how this actually going to work but, I see that it "does", and I just need to get a better grip on the physics.
Great point!
I'd love to see the next iteration of this idea! Also, was this AC or DC current?
I absolutely love Robert's "Laugh of Success"!
it is AC mate
This was an excellent video. Easy to understand! Thank you.
And there was I thinking a little steam engine, generating 5 volts to power my led strip lights, with my log burner making the steam to light my little cabin! Laugh as long as you like…. I don’t care! 😀
Smart
Go for it!
Hey it’s better than most bro! Baby steps on the way to self sufficiency is better than no steps. It’s a lot harder to become self sufficient these days than it seems. Use to be much easier as more everyone was sort of self sufficient before the Industrial Revolution.
Honestly electricity, internet, & the Industrial Revolution made us humans so much less independent & so much less smart (without having access to phone/computer/internet as a crutch)
We’ve gotten to used to the crutches that are internet & the industrialized world that if we were suddenly cut off from it, 75% of us would probably be dead within the first year or less.
They have basically got humans more and more dependent on the government, gov entities, & gov controlled entities.
Small family farmers are less and less common. Food production is becoming more & more monopolized & synthetic…
It can’t end well. Look into what happened in the Soviet Union after the government grabbed all food stuffs & food production…. It was not pretty… 10-20 million dead within a few years or Bolshevik/zionist man made famines. It was so bad people were digging up dead bodies to eat….
They are kidding when they tell you, “you will own nothing & be happy.” That’s their ideal goal for the future, just read the protocols of Zion (written a century ago) that they literally carved into stone on the Georgia guidestones in USA, yet most of you still don’t know about it.
if you are not fighting & exposing the Zionists & their puppet western governments, central banks, & media corporations- at every turn, then you are helping bring this sick future into reality.
Ashkenazi Jooos & the Khazarian mafia. Let’s talk about it. Let’s expose it. The protocols of Zion & the Kalergi plan. Let’s talk about it. Let’s expose it. The Babylonian Talmud (most holy book in Jooish Zionism) the Kabbalah.
Let’s talk about it. Let’s expose it. :)
Let’s see how long this comment stays up before it’s taken down or I am banned for literally speaking facts. Gotta love the Zionist owned media- Jootube, joogle, etc.
Look at a Stirling engine if that’s your plan 👍
loved it, cant wait to see the bigger version and what it will output.
Hey Rob. Seen half of the film just love it! ❤ If we do this on a rim of a bicycle-wheel it might be enought to load real energy!😂 /Mikael
I like the idea Robert. What I would like to add is using a old diesel Buda-Lanova engine. The heat engines are so efficient on diesel fuel that the new diesel could not even smell there exhaust. Hope that will help you out Sir. 😀😀😀😀😀😀
Cool idea
Example. My sawmill ran for 8 hours on six gallons of diesel. The engine is a straight six cylinder with a cubic inches of 468. Non turboed. Just incredible. The engine was made in 1905 and is labeled a self-enclosed truck engine. The RPM max is 2000 which is slow. Hope that gives more ideas for you Robert. Thanks@@ThinkingandTinkering
Already thinking of ways this can be used. Bravo!
Love this, your enthusiasm is a joy to watch.
Nice design, people have spent many hours looking to improve generator coils. Shame we can't find different materials that are cheap and abundant. I did like your version of the wimshurst generator.
Looking forward to seeing the bigger version soon ❤
Brilliant, Rob! Just watching your videos makes me think of magnetic fields completely differently now. Flux switching of any form seems so fascinating.
Very good assembly way! thanks!!!
the microwave dish motor seems to work like this. I'll open it and see what improvements there are...
I designed some permanent monopole magnet motors today. You would absolutely dig it. I'm Atlanticthoth on X and reality ragtime on substack.
That works great. You need to find a larger motor to get the plates from it now, or you can make your own plates out of some large flat plate.
I do like this generator as there is no fiddly serpent coil to wind. It's a nice simple design.
More current just parallel the windings or thicker wire.
More voltage just series the windings or more turns
Great video Rob. I'd love to hear your opinion on the new motor developed by Tesla. From my limited knowledge, it has a way of avoiding eddy currents and improving efficiency. Super interesting, cheers mate.
Years ago i used a used car generator connected to a used suffolk punch lawnmower to charge 12 volt batteries, it used to run for hours on a pint of petrol. Nowdays i have solar panels which do a much better job for less money.
gives me vibes of Bruce De Palma - N Machine or Faraday disc...
You can use a small motor for the axle off the generator.
Ah yes, the "stackable" generator, nice :D, look forward to you building a bigger version with a greater number of discs and showing a real world output from it. I think if you could get up to around a 200w output from a home made device like this, then you really do have a shot at creating a really useful "self-build" alternative to some seriously expensive generators... As always, looking forward to seeing where this goes.
Thanks for your videos Robert, have you looked into atmospheric /etheric electricity and the use of the volage to make mercury to move in a circular cylinder? Some call it old tech from tartaria and it can be seen on many old buildings (a sphere below another smaller sphere with a spear or spire on top) many are seen on church/ cathedral (cathode) spires also...
Brilliant design! I love it!
cheers mate
Rob, you would be better off with a solid lump rather than those separate plates. In the radial arrangement they channel the magnetic field in the desired N-S direction but here it has to cross the boundary between the plates which creates an unnecessary barrier. If you must use separate plates, in your design they should be smaller and arranged in the vertical direction.
cheers mate
Cool. I bet the shape of those fins will effect the shape of the wave too. Triangles have less resistance and sharp spikes. Rectangle will make more of a square wave.
Always great to see your explanations....So, seems the size/gauge/{speed of machine+rate of magnetic change across the wire} determines the "Current/Voltage output"? You might have a great "Voltage output" but small current due to so much resistance from hundreds of turns of fine wire? Larger wire> less resistance more "flow of current? a trade off in amount of turns vs.current output in the space allowed to fit the wire in...do we not want more "Current" vs. "Voltage"? Current does the work? Voltage is how fast the work is done? Or am I all confused...
So larger wire-less turns- run machine faster? always a trade off.
Plasma multipacitors are the solution forward. You should look into high voltage RF collapsing AC plasma generators using inductive and capacitive coupling plasma.
Great idea. I was thinking if the fingers pointed outward rather than inward, then the coil could be on the inside, closer to the bearing, that way the diameter of the coil would be much smaller so the length of copper would be very much less resulting in much less resistance and weight and copper cost for the same number of turns
How about you build the best generator for a set amount of money and compare them, you could do one for say £10 then one at £50 one at £100 and compare the output, could carry on higher also.
My idea was to use a doughnut magnet and wrap the serpentine coil over the housing from bottom to top.
Nice! Thanks for the video!
Thank you for the great video.
My question is this. I have a 2.5kv generator that always struggles at load. If I were to remove the engine and connect the generator part to the wheel hub of a car. Switch on the speedo cruise and let it generate. At load the speedo cruise would keep the speed constant. Would this overcome the struggle of the generator and allow me to add more load to the output of the generator?
Thanks again.
Would variable offsetting (0-15º) the steel discs act as a reluctance 'gear' to allow the generator to start generating at lower torque?
terima kasih atas ilmu yang dikongsikan.
Heah, those kinds of "motors" are being made with tremendous torque.
Good job, Sir....
Thanks
could a old microwave magnetron donate the plates? More to cut-out, I guess. Hard thing to cut uniformly lol.
Mighty Mite. The other axial flux generator. spinning a piece of metal with slits in it. leaving the magnets and coil stationary.
how about PCB printed stator coils and stacking them? A youtube channel called Motionmagnetics is building a stackable axial flux in this manner, but using serpentine coils. ive olnly just got a 3d printer and recently got up to speed on its use, so have little to offer of my own in this regard at this point.
Many companies producing PCB stators let you design your own, but the required parameters require you to know the exact details of how much power it will produce, how much torque, etc.
For a casual exprimenter who learns things top down, this presents a problem.
Perhaps you could do a video on how one could calculate the needed information for designing a generator based on the idea of using a custom designed PCB stator?
i Have been thinking about that mate
Tom Stanton has an interesting combined motor generator model car on his channel, a day ago.
Excellent 👍🏾 👍🏾 👍🏾
Thank you! Cheers!
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Hey sir I’ve been watching this channel a while now it’s been a massive source of different things I’ve built around my house that has helped the family a little better but there is one thing now that you mention generators now before I go on I need to iterate that I understand the laws of perpetual motion and why it can’t work believe you me I’ve watched sooo many fake videos of what could possibly work as a sort of a perpetual motion which of course they don’t but there is one video I found that’s low quality called the perpetual motion water wheel it uses a coil pump to get the water back up to the tank, I think I could design it better and place some gears that would attach to that wheel and we could get a good ole spin on that motor as long as the water is running as in as long as the tap is on, what I wanted to know is would that actually work I understand it’s technically not perpetual motion because we need something to take the water back but I learned about you back when I was learning to make a ram-pump and I’m guessing you have heard about the coil pump and to be honest in my opinion the coil pump would work better than the ram pump is this something that could actually be made and generate a fair amount of electricity maybe not to power a house but for outdoors say or a power outage inventing and building a generator that runs on a tap seems pretty handy ?
Great news , good for you, that’s th purpose of the channel
I’m sorry are you the gentleman that made the video I think not. Play nicely now lads this is not a channel for children.
And that doesn’t answer the question, respectfully if you’ve got no good input I’d rather not see useless comments.
if you wonder about it give it a go building it mate - that is going to be your best answer - I personally don't belive it will work but that doesn't mean anything really
How about a Switch Reluctance Generator version? Would there be a benefit? Moving the magnets to the stator and leaving the rotors with just iron sheets. Just a thought.
One could make their own larger scale fingers and their own high powered magnets from grinder dust from any metal shop.
I have over 12 kilos of such grinder dust, and making both the sintered 'field fingers' as well as making sintered iron nitride magnets is not supremely difficult for me, so I have made notes to myself to attempt this some time in the future.
It also helps that I have a few quite large coils of magnet wire on hand, in various gauges, but I am also pondering the simple use of microwave transformer coils, because all I have to do is dissolve the lacquer, separate them a little bit, form them into the right thickness and diameter of coil, powder coat them, and then compact them into the needed thickness to fit.
I can use a larger diameter, and in doing so, reduce the number of turns, thereby reducing the number of potential 'shorting points' that a more tightly wound coil inherently suffers from.
Also, after a preliminary conductivity/resistivity test to ensure I do not have breaks in the new powder coated insulation, I can go ahead and epoxy them into their new shape so they do not vibrate and suffer the destructive action of the wires rubbing against themselves in operation, which would lead to terminal shorting out at some point.
Have you ever filmed putting power to one of these generators to show it working like a motor? Would be interested to see that as proof of theory😊
yes - lots of times
I figured, off I go to look.
super!
ça faisait longtemps que je cherchais comment calculer le ratio force de l'aimant/quantité de cuivre... merci.
et qu'en est-t il des générateurs électrostatiques? ceux de Noel Felici atteignent sans problème le kilowatt avec peu d'encombrement...
sans magnétisme et pas cher en matériaux. y a t'il un 'cogging' avec ce type de générateurs?
i built many but i recently decided to make something big for making income the ratio is 25kw for $1k a month so 25kw+ is the goal. im having a problem i got about 4k n52 magnets and $8k of 200amp wire and 1mw worth of mirrors so i can have quite the losses and still output 25kw. the problem is how to convert the heat to motion. im thinking a modified heros engine jets under the water so jet pushes out the water not the steam and make the lets longer to use ram jet tech so its a lot more torque and has a suction for the water this seems most likely but i need a cooler i want every drop back water isnt free but i want free power for life. but im also thinking use dc because i cant go any faster than 3600 rpms with ac but with dc i can get 36k rpms ten times more power out of each magnet with only 4k magnets i dont really have enough i want to get as much power out of each one as i can. going to max power but estimating for a lot losses but the details not done yet i just got a bunch of parts
I had to watch it twice this time to get it. With other words, you basicly made an extention to the coils and now the magnets do not run exactly parrallel to them. So next step might be to extend them to the outer side with another ring of magnets maybe...
i think a different way o flooking at it is better - it's mor an extension of the magnets to 'twist' the field in the orientation we want it
When one becomes aware that "Electric" and Magnetic fields do not cause each other, according to the Maxwell-Heaviside equations, it opens the doors to designing very different kinds of Generators.
Have you seen the patents for the "Vector Potential Coil and Transformer"? Uses the magnetic vector potential to induce electric field instead of magnetic flux. Another wild discovery is the Anapole antenna, a type of perfect absorber and "radiationless EM source". No exposed EM waves, only propagating quantum potentials. Phase conjugation of EM waves produces many useful and unusual effects due to interference.
@@taylorwestmore4664 "According to these equations, in time-variable systems electric and magnetic fields are always created simultaneously, because they have a common causative source: the changing electric current [the last term of Eq. (1-4.1) and the last term in the integral of Eq. (1-4.2)]. Once created, the two fields coexist from then on without any effect upon each other. Therefore electromagnetic induction as a phenomenon in which one of the fields creates the other is an illusion. The illusion of the "mutual creation" arises from the facts that in time-dependent systems the two fields always appear prominently together, while their causative sources (the time-variable current in particular) remain in the background."
"a time-variable electric current creates an electric field parallel to that current [the last term of Eq. (1-4.1)]. This field exerts an electric force on the charges in nearby conductors thereby creating induced electric currents in them. Thus, the term “electromagnetic induction" is actually a misnomer, since no magnetic effect is involved in the phenomenon, and since the induced current is caused solely by the time-variable electric current and by the electric field produced by that current."
"There is a widespread belief that time-variable electric and magnetic fields can cause each other. The analysis of Maxwell’s equations presented above does not support this belief. It is true that whenever there exists a time-variable electric field, there also exists a time-variable magnetic field. This follows from Maxwell’s Eqs. (1-1.3) and (1-1.4) as well as from Eqs. (1-4.1) and (1-4.2).
But, as we have seen, neither Maxwell’s equations nor their solutions indicate an existence of causal links (no causation) between electric and magnetic fields. Therefore we must conclude that an electromagnetic field is a dual entity always having an electric and a magnetic component simultaneously created by their common sources: time-variable electric charges and currents.° This conclusion must hold for all electromagnetic fields, including electric and magnetic fields in electromagnetic waves."
-Causality, Electromagnetic Induction, and Gravitation: A Different Approach to the Theory of Electromagnetic and Gravitational Fields by Oleg D. Jefimenko
I'd say Maxwell knew what he was talking about and Heaviside didn't skip out on something so significant.
Could you make a counterrotating mechanism? Double your speed?
thats great!
cheers mate
Rob, what are your thoughts about the new moon phase generator idea?
never heard of it mate - what is it?
@@ThinkingandTinkering from my understanding it is a steel (not necessarily) dome with a vent at the top centre. It’s anchored to the sea bed (possibly on legs🤔). The vent is piped to shore where there is a generator driven by the pressurised air (or perhaps water🤔) caused by the rise and fall of the tide. The inventor is about to demonstrate it somewhere in the Bristol Channel I believe once he has permission to anchor it. He has calculated that a 9 foot diameter dome could power a house and an 18 foot diameter version would power 4. He says that among the advantages with his set up are: very few wearing parts. All servicing and repairs are made at ground level, main structure will last a couple of hundred years so the problems of unrecyclable materials that exist with wind turbines are considerably less, if not non existent and the power available and when is always a known. Also they are relatively unobtrusive.I thought you’d like to have a good ponder on this one👍
What if the generator isn't converting mechanical to electrical energy. But is just using mechanical energy to convert energy from the magnetic field to electrical energy. The energy in the magnetic field is one dimensional and current is a three dimensional energy. The basis of mechanical to electrical energy is based of the constant of 745.7 watts equal 1 horse power. However this constant has nothing to do with generators as the experiment involves no magnetic induction. So all the generators we building could just be really inefficient as the only reason we need torque is because of lenze drag.
Brilliant, thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Searle Effect Generator please
why don't you try and build one?
@@ThinkingandTinkeringI invent LED technology.
Well you ever go back to the diy multi fuel generator from an air compressor you started a year ago or is that permanently shelved?
did you know that if you rotate a magnet very fast the magnetic field around the magnet gets distorted
263 to free energy😂🎉
cheers mate
Bigger is better! (TWSS).
is that right lol
Will that work in reverse as a motor?
Look into "halls sensors" (to determine the position of the magnets) and micro-controllers to time the supply as found in DC motor speed contrllers
yes
Not clear how you made the coil. It looks like it is not really crossing the magnetic flux lines.
Hey Robert, Have you checked my generator? I have a video of it on my channel. It runs with an old wisconsin engine that spins at 1800rpm.
just did mate and subscribed
looks like you need a device for cleaning mugs aswell
Bruh 😂
what and ruin the flavour - it took ages to get it into that state lol
Is that a vape?
I used vapes to quit smoking about 8 years ago.
where is the larger version???
in your hands
I’m sorry, but this isn’t anything but a hobby. Generators are easily 85% efficient. And, it is not less copper winding per amp. Sorry.
But with the same copper winding per amp... You would have less to radially extend? How then would you produce more electricity to the thermal inductance? Without blowing the wire.? More wire. So shut up. Also... To say generators are only 86% efficient is neglecting rectification and step up transformers in the system. Or a splitting of the voltage output back into the leads (with matched polarity). Obviously...
Your comment assumes in an inertial frame point you have infinite resistivity mho. To say the wire never gets hot and can indefinitely carry infinite voltages...this isn't true.
Perhaps using another metal. In liquid nitrogen. Your comment is valid. You can in fact use less wire.
Oh and in that regard. Perpetual generation... Yea you can match output leads back through the input and split it
I mean... He states that he has the goal of designing generators that anyone can build for cheap, and that are easy to construct and reasonably efficient. Your comment doesn't seem to be relevant in any way.