2187 - The 50 Year Nuclear Battery From China And How To Make Your Own Version

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  • @ThootenTootinTabootin
    @ThootenTootinTabootin 11 месяцев назад +1293

    This dude has the energy of that uncle you were always extremely excited to go see as a child.

  • @Horus9339
    @Horus9339 11 месяцев назад +821

    This is the type of Man that was my Physics teacher in the 80's, enthusiastic and loved trying to blow the science room up or blind us all with lasers. We need more people like this educating our Children.

    • @chrischris1722
      @chrischris1722 11 месяцев назад

      Impossible with Gove's reforms, because believe me, these teachers are still in the classroom

    • @ZachRadman
      @ZachRadman 11 месяцев назад +13

      Yup, had a teacher like that. We need some visuals too you know. Not just some soundwaves from your teach's mouth.

    • @l-l
      @l-l 11 месяцев назад +6

      I would’ve done anything for a teacher like him. I love the contagious feeling of wanting to learn. The joy I get from listening to them geeking out about what they’re passionate about is a feeling I can’t find anywhere else

    • @Horus9339
      @Horus9339 11 месяцев назад +11

      @@l-l I was lucky, our Physics teacher tried to blind us, irradiate us, nearly get arrested by MPs for a radar jamming device one of our classmates designed and our Chemistry teacher tried to blow us up, burn us with acid, fill the room with poison gas and fill the floor with mercury (the room was closed down and did not open for the four years I remained there). I was put on detention for nearly setting fire to my classmate, he told me 'Only he was allowed to kill us, and that I was not insured to do so'.
      Professional educators that really inspired us with exciting, sometimes harmful tasks for the benefit of leaning or knowing there are real dangers in class/life, real life lessons.

    • @64offsuiter
      @64offsuiter 11 месяцев назад +3

      Hi. maths teacher here. Its the curriculum that holds most of us back, particularly science teachers. Yes some are boring, some are fun but I also need someone that cover enough content such that my child can eventually pass exams and go on to A levels and beyond. A lot of newer teachers only see that side of things and not the whole ‘I should be trying to inspire kids’. There’s a fair chance that this fella would struggle in a class of 32 where 20 of them have no interest and mess about accordingly. 50-60% of what we do nowadays is behaviour management, seating plans, admin, reports, managing detentions etc etc. I always find it sad how quickly people speak negatively of my profession without ever done the job themselves or considering a variety of elements.

  • @beavischrist5
    @beavischrist5 11 месяцев назад +2980

    Next episode is how to diy a small thorium reactor to power your whole house.😊

    • @GasketManzrevenge
      @GasketManzrevenge 11 месяцев назад +124

      Please!?

    • @klausschwabshubris
      @klausschwabshubris 11 месяцев назад +66

      I’m in ….😊

    • @1TylerM
      @1TylerM 11 месяцев назад +67

      I’d buy that for a dollar!!

    • @308dad8
      @308dad8 11 месяцев назад +144

      Been done. Look up radioactive boyscout. Kid got himself and his parents in trouble for his pursuit of scientific experimentation. Built a reactor in the backyard shed and when he realized it was running away he dismantled it, shielded all the materials and was loading it into his car to dispose of when someone thought it would be funny to call in a bomb threat on him and police overreacted to an already dismantled reactor. He later joined the Navy and was forbidden from going near the reactor which sucks because he was kinda born for that sorta thing.

    • @GnuReligion
      @GnuReligion 11 месяцев назад +9

      I want one!

  • @RustyCantRead
    @RustyCantRead 11 месяцев назад +89

    It's so exciting learning new ways go get onto watch-lists. Keep it coming!

  • @e100vids2
    @e100vids2 11 месяцев назад +300

    A nuclear battery, etc, of low power can be assisted by a capacitor for when a relatively large amount of power is needed, say a transistor radio or a LED lamp to function when needed.

    • @martinwashington3152
      @martinwashington3152 11 месяцев назад +34

      joule thief

    • @EvenTheDogAgrees
      @EvenTheDogAgrees 11 месяцев назад +41

      No, it can't. What you can do is use it to charge a conventional battery during "off-time", for devices that require power only intermittently. And yes, I said "battery" and not "capacitor", because capacitors can only store relatively small amounts of energy.
      However, a far more efficient way to achieve this is by using a bog standard charger if you live in a first world country and have access to mains voltage Or a dynamo built into the device, like with some torches or radios, if access to mains voltage is problematic (no infrastructure, or during a power outage). Or use solar panels if it's a device in a remote location where you don't have mains and winding the dynamo is impractical. E.g. a LoRa node monitoring some environmental parameters in a remote location in a forest, or what have you.
      I get it, these batteries are cool. But they're not a solution to every problem that has "power" in the title. There's a place for these things for sure, but powering devices that require more power than they can deliver is not it.

    • @e100vids2
      @e100vids2 11 месяцев назад +8

      @@EvenTheDogAgrees I agree, but I'm in also agree with Robert basic concepts , I was hesitant to find practical or efficient use.

    • @chemistryofquestionablequa6252
      @chemistryofquestionablequa6252 11 месяцев назад +19

      @@EvenTheDogAgreessupercapacitors can hold a decent amount of energy now, there are disposable vapes that use them instead of batteries.

    • @conorstewart2214
      @conorstewart2214 11 месяцев назад

      @@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 a problem with most types of capacitor is self discharge or leakage current, they drain pretty quickly when sitting unused. It is highly likely that the self discharge rate of most, if not all capacitors is above the power output of one of these nuclear batteries.

  • @shiggityx2
    @shiggityx2 11 месяцев назад +18

    Thank you, Sir Anthony Hopkins, for this fascinating information.

  • @thesentientneuron6550
    @thesentientneuron6550 11 месяцев назад +334

    So if my math is correct, assuming 1mA at 110 mV, it should produce 9.504 Joules of energy over 24 hours. For a red LED operating at a F.V. of 2V with a current draw of 20 mA, the energy if stored with no losses or leakage would be enough to keep it lit for 237.6 seconds or ~4 minutes. This could prove to be extremely useful for supplying enough power to actuate some relays (or beefy transistors) and wake up hibernating electronics in applications where they’ll remain turned off for extended periods of time. 4 of these nuclear batteries could maintain a 1000mAh NiMH battery at 80% state of charge for 156 years. Or maybe you could create an atomic clock utilising the time-averaged regularity of the decays.

    • @philip5940
      @philip5940 11 месяцев назад +51

      So I'll just mention it's pointed out in a comment or two that the output is 100 microwatts instead of milliwatts. Rob states microwatts later .

    • @thesentientneuron6550
      @thesentientneuron6550 11 месяцев назад +34

      @@philip5940 So I deleted my previous comment because I misunderstood you, apologies. I was merely making a calculation for Rob’s little transistor based device. I think the real breakthrough is probably that Diamond doesn’t break down like the semiconductors we use in electronics do when exposed to radiation. Spacecraft have had reduced operating lifetimes in space due to radiation spikes (such as from CMEs, for instance) damaging the solar panels thereby decreasing their output. I’m not sure how the power output differs between Rob’s little experiment and the Chinese company’s product but the lifetime is what really matters (I think). Anyway, thanks for sharing!

    • @philip5940
      @philip5940 11 месяцев назад +1

      It doesn't look like that comment got relayed through

    • @e100vids2
      @e100vids2 11 месяцев назад +12

      I checked your numbers, seems right to me, and it's a good use of variables many may overlook or think they will never need beyond Ohm's Law. I checked using this equation to start with:
      voltage = joules of energy / coulomb of charge

    • @thesentientneuron6550
      @thesentientneuron6550 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@e100vids2 Thank you

  •  11 месяцев назад +97

    Its like seeing every experiment from my scientific books brought to life. Always amazed how fast you knock out these videos while still being quality. nuke battery was something i made after reading about the radioactive boy scout which eventually lead to making B.E.A.M robots, fm transmitters, rc airplanes, cnc devices...list goes on.

    • @erikmaguina1
      @erikmaguina1 11 месяцев назад +2

      I mean sounds interesting is it a book?

    • @hhhllkk88
      @hhhllkk88 11 месяцев назад

      @@erikmaguina1

    • @1OTDM
      @1OTDM 10 месяцев назад +1

      BEAM robots...there's a blast from the past!

  • @martinlicht1969
    @martinlicht1969 11 месяцев назад +145

    Nice demonstration. In 1960s, our military developed a portable nuclear plant that operates years providing a local power plant anywhere. There's a military documentary on yt showing this. And just in recent news this concept is being revisited.
    Thanks for sharing and providing good inspiration.

    • @billb7876
      @billb7876 11 месяцев назад +37

      Ah but that would make it difficult to take money off us for energy, no wonder this sort of thing is kept low key

    • @ChrisP978
      @ChrisP978 11 месяцев назад +16

      Many small scale nuclear things were tried including nuclear powered cars (Ford Nucleon). At the time it was envisioned that small scale reactors could also be a home power source. These days with battery energy storage this is truly feasible, but the nuclear dream died long ago.

    • @OnlyKaerius
      @OnlyKaerius 11 месяцев назад +5

      See also: nuclear powered submarines, and ships(mainly aircraft carriers).

    • @zhou_sei
      @zhou_sei 11 месяцев назад +6

      naquadah generator?

    • @TheLonesurvivalist
      @TheLonesurvivalist 11 месяцев назад +7

      It got scrapped because the fuel rods would build steam if removed improperly and one of the techs wasnt paying attention when removing it and got pinned to the roof by the rod

  • @ranieri7x
    @ranieri7x 11 месяцев назад +73

    This part of opening smoke sensors for its nuclear source remembers me a kid years ago that caused a nuclear accident while attempting to build his own home-made miniature nuclear reactor for his college science fair.

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 10 месяцев назад +22

      Wrong it was an eagle scout project

    • @Enderbro3300
      @Enderbro3300 9 месяцев назад +3

      To be fair, this feels a LOT less dangerous than a reactor XD

    • @nocturnal101ravenous6
      @nocturnal101ravenous6 6 месяцев назад

      You mean the one that build a defunct reactor in his mom's pottery shed, and somehow was able to buy a neutron gun.

    • @Hunne2303
      @Hunne2303 6 месяцев назад +1

      he collected all sorts of radioactive stuff, mainly "glow in the dark" stuff from mid 20th century...eventually it "piled" up so much, that he could register the emitting radiation in his room...the stuff was out in the garden iirc...and it didn´t stop there...he "irradiated", me thinks, two or three blocks of the neighborhood

  • @MechanicGoneRogue
    @MechanicGoneRogue 11 месяцев назад +53

    This is such a cool video. Love the extra detail on the history of the battery as well as the practical demonstration. Look forward to the next one!!!

  • @captainoates7236
    @captainoates7236 11 месяцев назад +28

    I watch a lot of science videos along with a science background but Robert MS seems to be the science teacher I never had.
    To be fair I have a lot of trouble keeping up with his latest project. This one was a mash of all I know about pn junctions and semiconducters together with nuclear physics.
    I am in awe.

  • @antonnym214
    @antonnym214 11 месяцев назад +22

    Sir , you are funny, brilliant, and supremely entertaining. Always interesting! Thank you.

  • @RWBHere
    @RWBHere 11 месяцев назад +57

    Thanks Robert. There is also some low energy Gamma radiation from the decay of Americium-241, so it's worth remembering. The smoke detector works by generating a voltage between two plates at each side of an air cavity. Smoke particles enter the cavity and disrupt (absorb) the Alpha particles, causing a drop in voltage, and triggering the alarm. So the detector is also essentially a low power battery.

    • @happydappyman
      @happydappyman 11 месяцев назад +6

      @user-up1id5rv2m indeed. You'd imagine you could charge a capacitor with the americium that could power the buzzer for 10 minutes or so. Assuming it had sufficient hours to charge before needing to go off.

    • @Molon_Labe1776
      @Molon_Labe1776 11 месяцев назад +4

      *Radioactive Boyscout Intensifies*
      (Rip)

    • @barahng
      @barahng 11 месяцев назад

      ​@user-up1id5rv2mModern fire detectors are photo-electric (smoke particles deflect/absorb the photons) and don't use a radioactive source.

  • @cybernite99
    @cybernite99 11 месяцев назад +5

    Idk how to explain the dopamine rush i felt when it all clicked how it worked. Incredibly clever engineering, and i applaud you for taking a stab at one in your garage. Thank you, im subscribed now

  • @noperception5073
    @noperception5073 6 месяцев назад +2

    I have no intention of making this but my lord was it interesting to watch. The way you deliver information is fantastic!

  • @chrisnewman658
    @chrisnewman658 11 месяцев назад +23

    You make all this so much fun, Robert!

  • @petjezwijgrecht5031
    @petjezwijgrecht5031 11 месяцев назад +4

    I just wanted to say I love your energy and your way of explaining. I got the idea of how this works now with little pre knowledge which makes you an excellent teacher

  • @HansPolak
    @HansPolak 11 месяцев назад +57

    One comment. Half-life refers to the halving of the fissile material. This means that after 400+ years you'll get half the current but the battery will continue for hundreds of years more.

    • @advaits6427
      @advaits6427 7 месяцев назад

      Well, technically the battery will continue forever, it's just that the current will keep dropping as per the decay.

    • @nocturnal101ravenous6
      @nocturnal101ravenous6 6 месяцев назад

      @@advaits6427 No atoms do eventually die off and break down atoms are not eternal and Radioactive isotopes have a chance of shooting off and electron, I think Bismuth 209 or something like that is the longest of any isotope. Some faster than others, the elephant's foot - Chernobyl is a great example of radioactivity that is breaking down at a fast rate, original photographer died a week after being exposed to it, now you can spend an hour in a suit in front of it.
      Nothing is eternal and nothing lasts forever.

    • @comment8767
      @comment8767 6 месяцев назад

      @@advaits6427 Before the battery gets half-discharged it must get half of half discharged, and before it gets half of half discharged, if must get half of half of half discharged, etc. It lasts forever.

  • @Harinair72
    @Harinair72 11 месяцев назад +7

    That cackle at 10:00 is why I adore you...... You are my favorite mad, funny, lovable, not-at-all-evil scientist!

    • @shebamina
      @shebamina 11 месяцев назад

      Also came here to comment about the "I knew this -should- work, but here it is working!" cackle. Love it

  • @g0fvt
    @g0fvt 11 месяцев назад +6

    And to think I had hundreds of 2N3055s once, another opportunity missed. How would a darlington transistor fare with the two base junctions effectively in series? Would a plastic bodied transistor be a better choice?

  • @daniellapain1576
    @daniellapain1576 6 месяцев назад +2

    Honestly making a simple LED that never runs out of power is a good start for these things. Especially if you’re using it as a grow light for plants.

  • @carlacowling1789
    @carlacowling1789 11 месяцев назад +151

    Fascinating! I wonder why this couldn't be scaled up to power larger items?
    I also have to wonder if the research and development of cheap, safe energy production and storage isn't restricted by the desire for "planned obsolescence". Companies aren't interested in spending the time and money to develop a power source you only need to by once a century.
    Looks like it's up to you Robert! 😜

    • @AnonymousAnarchist2
      @AnonymousAnarchist2 11 месяцев назад +21

      well this is going very fast for what this is. 2018 till 2024 is only 6 years and we defenitly need to know excatly how pure and perfect we can make these batteries as their first use case is powering bios batteries keeping system times things like that

    • @ToeCutter454
      @ToeCutter454 11 месяцев назад +46

      they can be scaled up but you wouldn't be able to power anything like a vehicle with them, they would be best suited for stuff like smart phones, smart watches and small electronic gadgets that don't draw massive amounts of power. i've commented on another tech channel trash talking the nano diamond battery when it first came out as they were poking fun at how little energy it produced... my response was that you'd stack them to get the voltage you need and that's your battery for the device for what would quite literally be a few lifetimes, you could take the battery out of a dead device and put it into a new one and reduce tech waste a significant amount.

    • @partciudgam8478
      @partciudgam8478 11 месяцев назад +19

      A powerful enough version would likely need a low half life isotope, in order to emmit a ton of particles in a short enough time to make a meaningful current without weighing a ton itself, anyway, refueling yoir car each 5 years beats once a week by a factor of 54.
      Beta and Alpha particles are safe, an aluminium foil can block them with ease, and if you can't afford a piece of your hat, you can always stay atarround 2 meters of the source to be safe.

    • @ToeCutter454
      @ToeCutter454 11 месяцев назад

      @fluffy_unicorn859 apple products are garbage anyways so whatever gets people to stop using them i guess lol.

    • @rogerphelps9939
      @rogerphelps9939 11 месяцев назад

      Even smart phones are well beyond the capability of this. Although the energy density is quite high the power density is very low.@@ToeCutter454

  • @acmtix
    @acmtix 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video Robert. The possibilities with this tech are endless and to think its been around for years.

  • @alden1132
    @alden1132 11 месяцев назад +19

    If this gets cheap enough for consumer products, one of the first applications I thought of was for smoke detectors, some of which use a radioactivity source (an isotope of Americium, I believe) to detect smoke. Perhaps they could use the same radiation source to power AND operate a smoke detector?

    • @alden1132
      @alden1132 11 месяцев назад +11

      I wrote my comment too soon. I had no idea you were going to use a smoke detector for your project!

    • @rogerphelps9939
      @rogerphelps9939 11 месяцев назад +1

      The power density would be insufficient to operate any sort of audible alarm.

    • @DerekRoss1958
      @DerekRoss1958 11 месяцев назад +14

      Add a supercapacitor, charged by the source. By the time the alarm is needed, it will have stored enough charge to provide the power required for the alarm.

    • @tcmtech7515
      @tcmtech7515 11 месяцев назад +1

      Online estimates already say they will cost around $5000 each.

    • @nutbastard
      @nutbastard 11 месяцев назад

      @@tcmtech7515 Sure, at the moment, but if you consider that a computer as powerful as your phone is would cost $100,000,000 thirty years ago (and draw tens of kilowatts to operate) it’s a fairly safe assumption that not too long from now this nascent technology will become affordable.

  • @MD-Yuh
    @MD-Yuh 11 месяцев назад +2

    Robert, I just want to say: Love you! Thank You for excellent content. You are the best!

  • @waterfuel
    @waterfuel 11 месяцев назад +3

    Nuclear batteries have been contracted to the US military from an Oregon manufacturing firm long ago. They were used in those sky beam search light units.

  • @arnabchatterjee7261
    @arnabchatterjee7261 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great initiative, such enthusiasm will for sure propel the humanity towards energy independence. 👏

  • @azlandpilotcar4450
    @azlandpilotcar4450 11 месяцев назад +5

    I saw the product announcement yesterday and hoped you'd review your battery. Thanks.
    Wouldn't ɑ/ɓ radiant voltaic battery continue to produce electricity after its half-life, but at a reduced rate? Only half of the mass would have decayed into its new stable element -- the rest would still be active?
    WOuld love to see this or a karpen cell as a charger for the fractal capacitor array. One cell per capacitor.

    • @molybdaen11
      @molybdaen11 11 месяцев назад +2

      Yust look at the voyager probes.
      They passive energy source decayed more and more over the decades and now only a few of the instruments have enough power to stay online.
      Theoretically it's never out of energy but practically it all depends on the half life.

  • @damonharrison7611
    @damonharrison7611 11 месяцев назад +2

    This was wonderful :) Educational, entertaining and your joy mirrored mine :) I love seeing people enjoy doing what they do and I thank you for the informative content :)

  • @Ezzell_
    @Ezzell_ 11 месяцев назад +8

    Awesome video!...made my day. Can we increase the voltage out put in the two ways? 1) make a hole above the N and not cut off the top when aiming the Nuclear material at it, which would allow the alpha particles to be concentrated and the ones who are not going straight down would bounce around in the can and eventually hit the the N. 2) Would sorting the two Ns together increase the voltage.
    Also this may make a great mil volt reference standard.

  • @DIYZE
    @DIYZE 11 месяцев назад

    Wouldn’t t be possible to connect few hundred of these in series to make a usable lifelong energy source for your house?

  • @technicalfool
    @technicalfool 11 месяцев назад +30

    I'm sure betavoltaics and other nuclear batteries hit the news every year now. Usually it's some article claiming you'll be able to power an EV with a stack of them, then followed by some "Busted" video showing how this isn't even remotely feasible. I think my favourite was Nurdrage taking the low-efficiency approach of sandwiching a bunch of tritium-filled phosphor-coated vials between two solar panels and getting a few microwatts.
    Would be kind of fun to see how many americium pellets and transistor cores it would take to do something simple like drive a wristwatch or a calculator though, if it can be done without significant risk. Even alpha and beta emitters can be dangerous if you swallow or breath them!

    • @nickl5658
      @nickl5658 11 месяцев назад +8

      If you are willing to carry a phone that is the size of an early 1990s handphone,,, you definately can make a nuclear powered handphone. Phone, exercise weight and self defense instrument all in one.

    • @Roninkinx
      @Roninkinx 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@nickl5658Honestly that doesn’t bother me at all the size, as long as it never dies I could also just use the battery as a battery charger as well which would be amazing.

    • @cornelius2993
      @cornelius2993 10 месяцев назад

      EEVblog 1595 - 50 Year Chinese Nuclear Diamond Battery!

  • @cryptickcryptick2241
    @cryptickcryptick2241 11 месяцев назад

    Very Cool. For all those that want a long term battery, I would like to point out there are 50 year batteries on you tube. If size is not an issue, basically, just take large chunks of any two metals, aluminum and copper for example and stick them in a bucket with water and salt, and you have a battery. If you connect several cells, you will get higher voltage. In order to make it last long, like 50 years, one uses large chunks of copper -copper piping- and large chunks of aluminum tube or pipe. I built my own battery that powered an LED 24 hours a day with some aluminum foil and copper wire. After three months, the foil was starting to dissolve, and I had my fun.

  • @Jon6429
    @Jon6429 11 месяцев назад +4

    Would this work better on a solar cell rather than single transistor?

  • @grinninggoat5369
    @grinninggoat5369 6 месяцев назад

    What would the output of arrangement be using old uranium glass instead of Americium? I assume using old radium watch dials/hands would cause undesireable radon gas production.

  • @pownonome
    @pownonome 11 месяцев назад +5

    If you use an electric photo cell, won't it produce higher voltage?

  • @aniswehbe445
    @aniswehbe445 10 месяцев назад

    Got a radioactive isotope in it?! Hmmm...probably for limited use. What keeps the radiation in the battery, how well does it work?

  • @Milkybar3320011
    @Milkybar3320011 11 месяцев назад +18

    Good to see you revisited your nuclear battery, one of my favs

  • @jozefbubez6116
    @jozefbubez6116 25 дней назад

    Great! Might give this a 'whirl'! Thanks! Keeps those ideas coming!
    P.S. At age 74 and being interested in 'tech' stuff since I was a kid, I thought I 'knew it all' but now looks like I haven't even started!

  • @jdouglas4564
    @jdouglas4564 11 месяцев назад +14

    Very nice. I wonder if it would work better with a Solar cell

  • @ajchat8701
    @ajchat8701 11 месяцев назад +2

    Offspring with 2 heads, you say!! It seems like a risk worth taking😄😅Great video and very interesting!

  • @spaced-out-records
    @spaced-out-records 11 месяцев назад +5

    Wow ... this .. is why i love this channel

  • @ManyHeavens42
    @ManyHeavens42 Месяц назад +1

    Best thing next to bread 🍞 you finally figured out a way to get the most ions.

  • @allenhargis4317
    @allenhargis4317 11 месяцев назад +11

    Could a solar panel be used instead of a transistor?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  11 месяцев назад +16

      interesting question - i may well try it

    • @strawman9410
      @strawman9410 11 месяцев назад +3

      And put more in series upto 5v 😊

  • @canalsentir
    @canalsentir 6 месяцев назад +1

    Was very interesting with a good solid explanation, thanks!! 😊

  • @slick05123
    @slick05123 11 месяцев назад +6

    I was watching your backlog of members videos on hemp batteries, and it got me thinking about all of the ashes I've accumulated from my wood burning fire. I know you can add water to ashes to make lye.. since I have such an excess of ashes to be used, is there any way I can use them in making a battery? Maybe as the anode? I love your videos and would love to hear your ideas on this idea, even if it's just a simple "no, that wouldn't be worth it."

    • @LittleXtra
      @LittleXtra 11 месяцев назад +1

      Sodium Hydroxide is a wonderful electrolyte, just don't mix with aluminum, zinc, and a few other metals or bad things happen.

    • @rodmills4071
      @rodmills4071 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​​@@LittleXtracaustic soda you get hydrogen, so many fun times had as a kid .. hydrogen balloons , and a wick.. well you can take it from here....🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌

    • @slick05123
      @slick05123 11 месяцев назад

      @@LittleXtra I figured it could be put to use somehow. What anode and cathode would you recommend to use for a battery using a Sodium Hydroxide electrolyte?

  • @CharveL88
    @CharveL88 11 месяцев назад

    So wouldn't it make sense to incorporate capacitors and a bit of circuitry for having this charge up a standard Lithium Iron Phosphate battery? Since the power output is so low it would work as a trickle charger to a battery that can store up potential energy and release it with more output for practical uses, then slowly charge back up over time. Maybe not enough for keeping a phone charged up but for other applications where intermittent use and a higher discharge rate are preferred?

  • @Viaexplore
    @Viaexplore 11 месяцев назад +11

    Wow, this will actualy change the things and move the technology to next level. I am really exited to see the 1W version. Even slowly filling supercaps would solve the high power peak issues.

    • @n.lightnin8298
      @n.lightnin8298 10 месяцев назад

      My thoughts exactly a bunch of these with a capacitor array would be amazing

    • @YbborUberAlles
      @YbborUberAlles 10 месяцев назад +1

      China numba 1 huh?

    • @malkeus6487
      @malkeus6487 9 месяцев назад

      It would be great to have something portable sized to charge battery packs on the go.

  • @Yaman-D-Chhaya
    @Yaman-D-Chhaya 11 месяцев назад +1

    Rob sir superb video, loved the content, Love and warm regards from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🙏

  • @ehrichweiss
    @ehrichweiss 11 месяцев назад +29

    The current Betavolt does 100 MICRO watts, not milliwatts as you stated in the beginning of the video.(yes, you stated it correctly later but just in case someone doesn't watch that far maybe they'll read this and know the truth)

    • @jasonlogan5765
      @jasonlogan5765 11 месяцев назад +3

      So you think they'll skip the rest of the video and go right to your comment that's pretty narcissus of you

    • @kamayasoulmaker8376
      @kamayasoulmaker8376 11 месяцев назад +9

      @@jasonlogan5765 hehe don't be that way. He's just trying to help. We are all learning and sharing here.

    • @brianlittleforest631
      @brianlittleforest631 11 месяцев назад +3

      @jasonlogan5765 "narcissistic"*

    • @ivanjakanov
      @ivanjakanov 11 месяцев назад

      sounds about right, but they're still talking about prototypes (edit: video says they are in pilot production, so i guess they are already making them) and they say they are stackable in layers and very thin so they could probably make a stack of 1000 and wire them in parallel or series, if they want to increase the current or voltage

    • @adrianmartinez1222
      @adrianmartinez1222 7 месяцев назад

      I was wondering about that actually😂

  • @NameLast-wm5je
    @NameLast-wm5je 11 месяцев назад

    Found my self taking apart an old smokedetector and didnt see any of the "normal" suicidedevices that ussually make stuff stop working after warranty expires. Has it actually been a concensus to not make stuff break after warranty expires if its smokedetectors? Maybe make a video about that

  • @inbed247
    @inbed247 10 месяцев назад +3

    You sir, have made me mentally wealthy! The way you explain things is amazing! Now subbed and locked in!

  • @skunkjobb
    @skunkjobb 11 месяцев назад +1

    About that lasting 432 years (the halflife of Am 241). That depends on what you mean by lasting. After 432 years, the power has dropped to half the initial power but it still produces power.

  • @lumberluc
    @lumberluc 11 месяцев назад +11

    Philip Brody already found this out. By having a lead-lantheum matrix, encasing a radioactive element (Which we'll use radium as an example), you'll be able to effectively cause an ionization event giving a DC output.
    Depending on the purity of the lead-lantheum, it can go up to ~1500 volts/cm with a 30 nano-amp flow.
    See Patent US 4,041,465

  • @TheElectronicDilettante
    @TheElectronicDilettante 9 месяцев назад

    Best video yet. Damn the gear driven fan motors for electricity!!! Grab the americium and semiconductor and it’s done!! Awesome!!!
    Would it also work if you wrapped the ionizing material with an array of diodes?

  • @HalkerVeil
    @HalkerVeil 7 месяцев назад +3

    Can it power a T-60 suit?

  • @jimhanty8149
    @jimhanty8149 4 месяца назад

    I wonder if you will need a permit from the inspections dept for a home install.

  • @001Neal100
    @001Neal100 11 месяцев назад +4

    This kind of voltage/ current would be useful for offsetting parasitic drains on circuits where there is always something that slowly depletes a battery even when you are not using it

  • @roswellgrey5746
    @roswellgrey5746 11 месяцев назад

    Would it be worthwhile to stuff the transistor housing to the brim with americium pellets?

  • @selfcorrected-Bobby
    @selfcorrected-Bobby 11 месяцев назад +11

    Sabine Hossenfelder also covered this recently. She also has a great sense of humour.

    • @paulperegud6000
      @paulperegud6000 11 месяцев назад +2

      This one is way more informative though

    • @philip5940
      @philip5940 11 месяцев назад +1

      I never correctly remember her surname . But I'm not going editing my other recent commitment though.

    • @selfcorrected-Bobby
      @selfcorrected-Bobby 11 месяцев назад

      oh, definitely @@paulperegud6000

  • @blankstares4355
    @blankstares4355 7 месяцев назад +1

    I recall a story awhile back of a young teenage hobbyist in the USA who made his own mini nuclear power generator by using a bunch of that material from those smoke detectors.

  • @ThePaulv12
    @ThePaulv12 11 месяцев назад +4

    I'm not getting too excited Robert. I saw a vid on this yesterday and the one thing we all want is a battery to power our house for say ten thousand bucks (or at least lower our energy bill), but this isn't it and isn't going to be apparently.
    Perhaps I was expecting a panacea, but I wonder what it'll be used for or if it will take 10 or 20 years to find the perfect application.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  11 месяцев назад +4

      you do right mate - It is fascinating but like all these things there are issues for sure

    • @janthran
      @janthran 11 месяцев назад +4

      for sure but you can step it up and use it to charge other things. you could even run a small motor with a differential to do .. something. you can also hook a couple up in series for more power

    • @BozesanVlad
      @BozesanVlad 11 месяцев назад +1

      Just think of IoT devices that'll last a lifetime (sensors, LoRa, etc)
      Plus we live on an electric generator (Earth), we just need to "tap" into it (not for silly waste of energy as many westerners/ easterners do right now, but still)

  • @WorkBurps
    @WorkBurps 8 месяцев назад

    So could I get a bunch the americium and slap a solar panel over them and get a usable 5 or 3.3 volts to power portable electronics?

  • @technosaurus3805
    @technosaurus3805 11 месяцев назад +6

    Also a novel way of creating a radiation detector if you omit the source... just read the output with a multimeter.

    • @thesentientneuron6550
      @thesentientneuron6550 11 месяцев назад +1

      While it would work in principle, it would only work placed right next to a hot source. The threshold of background radiation needed to set this off would be immediately dangerous to a human being(I presume), but if that’s all that your goal is, I don’t see why you couldn’t give it a shot!

  • @Catalystpowers
    @Catalystpowers 11 месяцев назад

    How would you calc micro volt produced "per second or time duration" if you could store it up passively , in day month year life span ?, thank you love your channel

  • @VeniceInventors
    @VeniceInventors 11 месяцев назад +3

    Very interesting. It didn't occur to me until now that alpha radiations, being near the UV wavelengths, could cause photovoltaic cells or semiconductors to generate a voltage. I guess the same is true of x-rays too since they're the next step up from UV. Not that I know of any material which puts out x-rays while decaying.
    With the Americium, it looks like quite a few pieces would be needed in series to get 3.3V. I suppose each pellet could produce twice the output if it's extracted from its casing, to expose the underside and to sandwich ir between two transistors.
    My smoke detector with Americium is definitely putting out Beta radiations too as I get an increase of over 500 CPMs when pointing my Geiger counter towards the plastic case and Alpha radiation wouldn't make it through the plastic and thin metal cage surrounding the ionization chamber. I don't think it puts out Gamma though because the readings drop when I insert a 1mm steel plate between the smoke detector and the Geiger counter. It's still bad though if it can ionize floating dust which might end up being inhaled.

    • @terrysobkowich2084
      @terrysobkowich2084 11 месяцев назад

      That could be a concern , but I remember another vid where a person went into a mine and the air was very radioactive from all the uranium decay. I could be misrepresenting but the main issue was the charged particle radiation attracting and sticking to the clothing which came out pretty radioactive, however it decayed quickly and putting the clothes into a bag away from the camp overnight dropped the radiation to background levels, perhaps simply an airtight unit would suffice.

    • @VeniceInventors
      @VeniceInventors 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@terrysobkowich2084 If you meant airtight batteries then yes, I'd expect them to be both airtight and shielded sufficiently to block beta radiations, as someone will inevitably end up carrying one in their pants pocket.
      If you meant airtight smoke detector, that wouldn't work of course as the smoke needs to get in 🙂

  • @matterhaz2980
    @matterhaz2980 10 месяцев назад

    This is amazing. Thank you for showing this. I've taken apart a couple metal detectors to give my new Geiger counter. (Wearing proper ppe of course) and not sure what else I could do with the buttons other than leave them in a jar in my garage for the next 400 some years but this solves my issue I made for myself!

  • @g-r-a-e-m-e-
    @g-r-a-e-m-e- 11 месяцев назад +10

    The idea of a phone that doesn't need charging is very appealing.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  11 месяцев назад +5

      it is indeed

    • @1o1carolina53
      @1o1carolina53 11 месяцев назад +1

      Have you lost your mind the first thing you want to do when you grow up is stop being bothered by the stupid phone brainwashed and programmed by a plastic glowing box

    • @Struthio_Camelus
      @Struthio_Camelus 11 месяцев назад +9

      All we need now is a 50-year phone...

    • @spherelance72
      @spherelance72 11 месяцев назад +3

      Apple disagrees!

  • @dans-designs
    @dans-designs 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video Rob! I wonder if you have heard of the LTC3108 chip? It takes voltages as low as 20mv and can push them upto 5v with usable current! check it out and if you still have the bits from this nuclear battery, maybe you can get some usable voltage out of it?!

  • @PompiisGarage
    @PompiisGarage 11 месяцев назад +11

    If Americium 241 has a half life of 432 years, why is my smoke detector only good for 10 years?

    • @germanlopez9448
      @germanlopez9448 11 месяцев назад +3

      good question, the answer is that we are going to dispose of the radioactive material within the devices long before the half life of the radioactive material, just as many people do now the radioactive material will end up in the landfills. the good news is that many more people will get cancer from the exposure, the medical industry will do well.

    • @rdizzy1
      @rdizzy1 11 месяцев назад +15

      Because it is not powering the actual alarm, only triggering the alarm. You need a battery to power the alarm. And the failure point of these alarms is not the radiation source, it is the other parts (random electronics randomly end up going, or dust builds up inside of the radiation chamber, etc). And they are good for longer than 10 years on average, that is just when they recommend getting a new one.

    • @johnnylego807
      @johnnylego807 11 месяцев назад +1

      Text it, if it works it works, if it does not, it’s probably the failure of components.

    • @RavenFlight413
      @RavenFlight413 11 месяцев назад

      @germanlopez9448 your comment isn't even coherent yet seems to imply conspiracy to poison everyone. I disagree, also the americium is perfectly safe in its containment capsule as americium produces primarily alpha particles which are easily stopped with the outer (dead) layer of skin or a piece of paper. So much work has gone into making it safe that no, smoke detector alpha emitters are not going to be a risk unless you intentionally break open the capsule and then decide to swallow the americium piece inside.
      Don't say "the answer is" unless you are willing to back up a claim with documentation and evidence.

    • @sunshadow7XK
      @sunshadow7XK 11 месяцев назад

      Capacitors, especially the older electrolytic ones get leaky and make the system unreliable.

  • @takofili3520
    @takofili3520 11 месяцев назад

    One of the best randomly recommended youtube videos on my feed

  • @mariusraducan1348
    @mariusraducan1348 11 месяцев назад +4

    I love it! This is the most expensive power source in the world at almost $100 000 per W. Compared to solar, which is currently at $0.1 per W, the price would need to drop a million times. The first solar panels cost about $115.3 per watt, the price dropped 1000 times in fifty years.

  • @JamaaLS
    @JamaaLS 11 месяцев назад +1

    Could you use multiple americium sources to increase power output?

  • @thatguychris5654
    @thatguychris5654 11 месяцев назад +19

    So 1000 smoke detectors will get you a 12v power source that lasts over 400 years....hmm tempting

    • @victororo462
      @victororo462 7 месяцев назад

      You then would have to worry about what to do with that 3rd nut...lol

    • @daniellapain1576
      @daniellapain1576 6 месяцев назад

      The stores will be wondering why you’re buying up so many smoke detectors 😂

    • @flubalubaful
      @flubalubaful 3 месяца назад

      Contact the suppliers directly and only buy the materials you need. Cutting costs to a few cents a cell. Buy a machine to build the cells and these could end up costing a few cents a cell. Cheap enough to build a 48v battery for the same price as we pay now for lithium batteries, the only difference is the battery does not need recharging for 50 to 100 years.

  • @curian1286
    @curian1286 10 месяцев назад

    Glad to see you're still going strong, Robert!

  • @adamstewarton
    @adamstewarton 11 месяцев назад +5

    I honestly think we could power our world off of small atomic reactors. There is no need for oil. But imagine something that lasts ages and doesn't break - small profits.

    • @svinkuk2652
      @svinkuk2652 11 месяцев назад

      Well idk, its not usually the batteries that break first in most battery powered products, is it?
      Energy companies are gonna be mad though lol.

    • @adamstewarton
      @adamstewarton 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@svinkuk2652 they may not break first but surely they don't last ages.

    • @svinkuk2652
      @svinkuk2652 11 месяцев назад

      @@adamstewarton no sure thats true, im thinking of things like phones and laptops though, most people tend to replace them long before the battery goes wonky.
      it'd be a gamechanger for cars though i suppose, but they could just do what the tech industry and many car manufacturers already do and engineer them to fail after so many years, as well as make them impossible to maintain without ten million specialized tools and put in software to make it harder to get off brand spare parts etc etc.
      There are always shady ways to maintain profits lol.
      I get your point though, its definitely an incentive for companies to want these things away from the market.

    • @rogerphelps9939
      @rogerphelps9939 11 месяцев назад

      No they are not. The power output of these things isn't even enough to run a very dim LED torch.@@svinkuk2652

  • @coll8ctor
    @coll8ctor 11 месяцев назад +1

    my grandparents had radio active tea cups, made of greenish glass.
    could u use that too?

    • @waylonk2453
      @waylonk2453 11 месяцев назад

      I think you could, though I doubt they'd put off much radiation if someone considered them harmless to drink from! The trick would be to concentrate and capture the radiation so most of it could be picked up by a transistor

  • @tcmtech7515
    @tcmtech7515 11 месяцев назад +8

    *In theory,* a 1-watt continuous output battery that can run for 50 years would have a~438,000 amp-hours capacity. At 3 volts that's a ~ 1.3 MWH battery! 😋
    However, in realistic terms, in order to use a set of such batteries to do anything large like power an average home or electric vehicle. Each application would need many thousands of them. Likely about 10,000 of them to power an average house like mine and about 70,000 to 100,000 to make an EV that could be driven like a normal vehicle. 🤡
    Oh ya, and current pricing estimates put them at about $ $4500 - 5000 US dollars each if you buy in bulk! 😂

    • @HamguyBacon
      @HamguyBacon 11 месяцев назад

      You don't use these batteries to run things directly, you use them to charge super capacitors which will charge traditional larger capacity batteries continuously for 50-100 years.

    • @lordofthechimie
      @lordofthechimie 11 месяцев назад

      Calculating watts per dollar might be more accurate. I am very bad at electricity math, so giving that the price of electricity is 16 cents per kwh; In theory, can this method produce cheaper electricity?

    • @tcmtech7515
      @tcmtech7515 11 месяцев назад

      @@lordofthechimie 1300 x .16 = $208

  • @SomethingOldSomethingNew-ux9ms
    @SomethingOldSomethingNew-ux9ms 5 месяцев назад

    Props for making learning interesting. You are enthusiastic and good at explaining! Keep it up!

  • @veritopian1823
    @veritopian1823 11 месяцев назад +6

    If this really works we could get consumers to pay to slowly move all the nuclear waste from it's expensive storage facilities into domestic landfill, via gadgets...
    That'd be great.
    :)

    • @germanlopez9448
      @germanlopez9448 11 месяцев назад

      i am sure this is the intended outcome the academic community was aiming to achieve. what genius is lurking withing the halls of academic institutions.

  • @MullerHasse
    @MullerHasse 11 месяцев назад +1

    So, what is the power output? Not just the voltage, also the milli amps.

  • @beyondearth6418
    @beyondearth6418 6 месяцев назад +3

    Radioactive materials should not be made easily publicly available. Our society as it stands in 2024 is not conducive to peaceful responsible and non-destructive use of radioactive products.

  • @Mapa356
    @Mapa356 6 месяцев назад

    Below par editing or not, I love geeking out and listening to this guy, I wish he was my science teacher 30 odd years ago, I’d have probably taken a completely different path 😂❤

  • @donniewatson9120
    @donniewatson9120 11 месяцев назад +5

    Combine it with a joule thief to drive an led.

  • @rustyholt6619
    @rustyholt6619 9 месяцев назад

    how do you mount the thing ... would epoxy work , hot glue, what mounting precautions do I need to take ,,, finish man

  • @thegrandgalacticinquisitor9060
    @thegrandgalacticinquisitor9060 10 месяцев назад +6

    xbox controller drained one of these batteries in two weeks

  • @RHYSPARDOE-m8z
    @RHYSPARDOE-m8z 11 месяцев назад +2

    This guy is awesome, talks science in understandable English 👍

  • @Misterscout
    @Misterscout 7 месяцев назад +1

    Question is...how many do I need to power a microwave.

  • @davidrobertson1980
    @davidrobertson1980 5 месяцев назад

    So Robert, if you took this tiny radiation producing bit and put it in the lid you peeled off the transistor and soldered the lid back on you have your battery right? Portable for a looooong time, and if daisy-chained into a nice box you can do away with a small battery "somewhere" yeah? Like your PC...

  • @aniswehbe445
    @aniswehbe445 10 месяцев назад

    Does the ceramic/aluminum shielding keep the radiation in check that well?

  • @cody181818
    @cody181818 7 месяцев назад

    Can you upscale this? To make more power?. Would you just need to increase the amounts of the components?.

  • @SymPlayTon
    @SymPlayTon 10 месяцев назад

    I can see some use cases for this.
    Trickle charger for cars. When it becomes more dense and able to get around 2amps at 13-14v (around 26-28w) your car battery in a modern car that is currently abused by all of the new electronics would last 2x as long.

  • @TheGreenHeartofItaly-fl3wv
    @TheGreenHeartofItaly-fl3wv 11 месяцев назад

    How much energy is required to mine, transport, refine, and assemble the current version of this battery? At some reasonably imaginable scale of course.

  • @alicekoh7322
    @alicekoh7322 11 месяцев назад

    possible to please do it up with an adapter/connector such that it can fit into AA/AAA (or the other battery sizes) so that it can be placed in something maybe an aircon controller/tv remote/weighing scale? that would be super practical and useful and an amazing second follow up video.

  • @sohamsuke
    @sohamsuke 11 месяцев назад

    Robert, in principle, couldn't you accelerate those electrons before hitting the voltaic cell with magnetic flux, increasing output?

  • @sto2779
    @sto2779 10 месяцев назад

    So with 10 of these, I can make 1 volt, but how many watts? Also will the silicon transistor degrade from the radiation? So it seems like it can't be a practical battery. Thanks.

  • @Pottyde
    @Pottyde 11 месяцев назад

    How about covering photovoltaic panels in radioactive material?

  • @ClokworkGremlin
    @ClokworkGremlin 9 месяцев назад

    So if the voltage is basically coming from the alpha particles hitting the PN junction and getting converted into a voltage differential, wouldn't it possibly work even better with an *actual* solar cell instead of a stripped transistor?
    Granted, you'd have to strip any protective layers over the solar cells, because alpha particles can be effectively blocked by a sheet of paper...

  • @MR-ub6sq
    @MR-ub6sq 9 месяцев назад

    I could imagine that you would also be interested in finding out what the maximum power supply capacity is. I didn't notice that it was mentioned for your Am-Diode battery, but it is actually more important than the voltage of one "cell". It's reasonably easy to build a 200 cell battery, but who cares about 24 volts if you can't get 200 amps out of it...