Jeep costs less if u compare base model. Not to mention way more fun vehicle that doesn’t drive like every other vehicle out there (and the Nissan is 20 years old)
@@richfarfugnuven6308 yeah I like all the mods to the bones of the truck, but don't forget about accessorizing to make an overland vehicle. How about a topper with a roof top tent, solar battery, and refrigerator? All that could be done and more with a 20K budget.
@Luis Bolanos I guess you aren't aware of the "overlanding" culture that has sprung up the past few years. A 4x4 pickup with everything you need to camp comfortably can go places an RV can't. Search on RUclips for "Overlanding" to see what people are doing.
@Luis Bolanos Well, that's why they make more than one flavor of ice cream....so everybody can have what they want. I want to get away from everybody and everything.
Nissan Frontier, proving a 16 year design can do almost anything that is sold today in it's class. It's almost like an insult to the rest of the class the longer it stays in production lol 😂
I know! It's almost a shame they are replacing it. It continues to outsell the ranger which is brand new for the US. And even was a super old design, it still has very comparable horsepower and torque to class leading Tacoma. Honestly all it needs is trail control like the Tacoma and ranger and is every bit as good.
@@andrewh86sd The frontier is the best bang for buck truck in my opinion. It's a big middle finger to the ZR2 and the Rubicon, and for nearly half the price. I'd use my saved money to turn it into a 400+ Horsepower supercharged zr2 destroying beast. It really is one of the best trucks you can buy.
@@jacobremillard if you wanna make a frontier powerful You can swap in the titan v8, cams,exhaust and a tune would easily put you at 400whp or so. You can retain the fronteir trans (manual) And to top it off titan suspension put on a frontier is a direct or near direct bolt on that adds ground clearance and travel
@@justsomegarage yeah, true! But I didn't V8 swap my 2010 Frontier Nismo Kingcab 6 Speed Manual Transmission, it is still V6 4.0L but Supercharged! I have a pretty nice set up on the truck, I have a Stillen Supercharger (screw gear type) I have a pretty nice after market Intercooler, and a aftermarket Oil Cooler (replaced my OEM Stock Nissan Oil Cooler) Radiator is also After Market, more performance than the OEM Nissan Stock. I got silicone rubber radiator hose, if you want your truck to perform better then it's cooling system has to be working great and runs much cooler than it is before. I have the best exhaust headers the best that I can find available in the market. I got Volant Cold Air Intake, Magnaflow Catback Exhaust (with Deleted factory OEM resonator, and Muffler only, and also I deleted Cat converter!) I got racing type Spark plugs, and racing type high pressure Fuel Injectors on all 6 cylinders. Before the setup modifications I dismantle the 4.0L V6 and took out the Cylinder block and I brought the block to my buddy's machine shop and we did some cylinder Rebore, I added extra diameter hole on the bore so I can use a little bit bigger Piston, I'm no longer using a factory OEM Nissan Piston, it's an after market now. Pistons is upgraded much more rugged than the OEM Stock. Piston rings, Piston Rods, bearings are all after market and racing type. After modifications my truck made 600hp and 548 ft/lbs of torque and I got freaked out and my buddy and I lowered it down to 398Hp and 401ft/lbs. I don't want the Engine to blow up! My truck is supercharged, and moded I'm smoking some Subaru STI's, Mustang and charger and even camaro's on the road.
@@mattbrew11 eh. UCAs, locker and some other simple shit. Around 1400 bucks low end and 4k high end. Still not even close to what a jeep costs. And much better on road characteristics. ie no wobble of death. Lots of domestic companies that support the brand.
Agent. K. Oh yeah looks super easy Fiberglass sides, frame cutting and complete front end redesigns. www.clubfrontier.org/threads/40s-on-a-frontier.361214/
_ GRAMCRAKKA _ you haven’t driven a gladiator clearly. The massive lift required to run 35s on a Nissan compared to 35s fitting on the completely stock suspension of a gladiator absolutely yields a worse ride. A 2” lifted gladiator rubicon on 37s runs leapyears ahead of a Nissan pushing 35s
I recently purchased a 2019 Pro 4x. I don't think people realize how functional and great the interior is inside one of these trucks until they experience it from the drivers seat. It does not do it justice through a computer screen. I test drove every other brand and could not stand the centre stacks and computers in any other truck. Thanks for keeping it simple Nissan!
I’m thinking of buying Pro-4x 2019 too. In Canada they’re going for low to mid 30’s which is awesome. How’s the highway driving at high speeds ? I drive a lot on highway so road comfort would be important. Titan is also only 4000 more so a little bit unsure.. from what I read so far online, fuel economy is not much different between frontier and titan.
@@Charnjotgill01 I am frrom Ontario Canada and the lowest we can get them here is about $39-41,000. Low 30s is a great deal! Unfortunatley they became more popular this year because people wanted to buy them up before the engine changed. It is an absolute beast on the highway. I get up to 140 very quickly and it sounds beautiful. She is definitely very thirst though as you stated. That is the only downfall in my opinion but not enough to turn me off of it.
Bought a 2015 SV 4X4 last year and it does 50x the amount of work my old full sized chevy did. The heated seats and factory spray in bedliner got me hooked from the get go. And I absolutely love the way the truck rides. Its also super reliable, and I dont have to fix it every 2 weeks like I did with my chevy. Such a great little truck.
I like the current body of Frontier because it is so old. Its the only pick up that still looks like a pick up from my favorite era of trucks. Every truck from the 90's looked like classy pick ups, but they weren't oversized or bubbly like they are today.
Jason's Fishing Again? Just to let you know they’re actually the same width but the new ones do look a lot bigger. I have the same viewpoint as you only I believe the jeep is a classy look not to mention how much fun they are to drive
The year I bought my wrangler, the Xterra was my 2nd choice but it was there last production year. Looking for a truck this time around and this looks pretty damn good.
I had a Pro 4x for 5 years and it was the bomb (lived in Denver, played in the CO mntns and Moab). I would definitely recommend it to anyone looking for a reliable, capable, mid-size truck.
1234cnl true. But the lower end Jeep’s won’t have as good of an AT tire. And I don’t think they have a locking front differential. Two major advantages for the Rubicon.
@@SoundsLikeaPlanOutdoors I didn't think of the tires and idk if they have that locking diff on the lower priced ones so that could be a big difference so you could be right
What is it with this hard-plastic phobia? Who the heck cares? The Nissan interior is "not a great place to spend time" because the dashtop and window sills aren't cushy? Who sits there?
Basic fact is that the frontier is a way better deal, the Rubicons where i live at least go for 50,000 plus easy, while a prox4 frontier new is in the 30,000 range and used is even less
@Suq Madiq For the money you can get a better interior. In a car with front wheel drive. It's not classy but it's easy to maintain, stands up to heat and dust well. My x is doing great at 204k, and I get better mileage than my girlfriend's subaru. Sorry you had that experience but I don't think it's typical.
Here in Canada a Pro4x is about 40% less than the Rubicon. The Frontier would have made it up but would have touched the tree. It needed better tires but that’s an easy fix.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda, DIDNT. If you have to modify to make it, its not factory which is what they are testing. Also consider whats available to modify the Jeep if you want to go there.
A. Garcia you guys also realize you’re paying 20 K for all the technology and off-road upgrades as well as the fun and interior materials are far superior. Not to mention the tech transmission and a lot of the new body was designed by the EX Mercedes-Benz engineers Chrysler recruited
Just go for the sport if you guys want the same price point and it still has more off-road tech and way better resale value Not to mention way more fun
@@scottmickna1893 that's obviously a "terrible" decision. Why on earth would you buy something so ugly? 😂 that dude should work on his extremely "beautiful" beard of his
The frontier pro 4x I had for a couple months while my Tacoma was in for frame replacement, and I loved it for working as a Forester. It took a major beating and always tracked straight through it all
I’m a Toyota guy but man I love frontiers, especially this generation. These things are just as reliable as Tacoma’s and look great with a little lift and some nice A/T tires. I actually prefer these frontiers over the 3rd gen Tacoma.
Night Mahar my 1977 jeep and my 1994 jeep are both still running flawlessly. Don't see many 1977 Nissan running around. How many Nissan fought in WW2 and are still on the road? I'll answer for you. ZERO!
I have a 2011 Frontier with 126k miles on it, and I have to say it is the best vehicle purchase I have ever made. I have treated it like dirt.. I change the oil when I remember, it has been hit by a van, pushed a tree over... hauled all of my camping gear and done everything I have needed it to do. Best 19k I have ever spent... That is what I financed for my SV Frontier back then... MAN they have gone up in price LOL
Having a 2018 Frontier Pro-4x, I'm not disappointed at all!! I've done many upgrades, so my capabilities are even closer to that Gladiator (at $30k less).
@@ohboy2592Yeah 2011-2019 is the goldilocks zone of frontiers. The Old school truck and drivetrain but with some modern features like parking sensors and backup camera and all the issues fixed.
At Almost a 20k price diffrence ( baseded on curent prices) thats a Lot of Mods that could be done on the nissan. Thank you to evrey one at tfl an stay safe....
Yeah everyone loves to hate on the Frontier for some reason but they are basic, reliable trucks that can do 99% of what you would want to do in a truck just fine. Lets be honest, 90% of the Rubicons and Pro4x and others sold aren't eve going to see anything harder to drive on than a gravel road - so if you realistically aren't going to need that kind of off road capability, do you really need to shell out $20k-$30k more for the Jeep?
I can put an ARB Locker in the front diff of my old xTerra Pro-4x for about $1100 and be WAY ahead of the pricing on that Rubicon. Hell, for the price diff I can buy a wrecked Titan Pro-4X, take the whole front clip off (Motor, trans, transfer case, front axle, control arms, etc.) and make a v8 powered xTerra AND have a locker. It's a build, but gonna be better than the Rubi-con.
The Frontier is a lot of truck for the money. I find it's been-around-since-forever to be a selling point - it's sorted and reliable. You know what you're getting with it. Something a lot of folks don't know is the rear axle on the Pro4X is a Dana 40. It's a proprietary axle to Nissan so you're limited to modifying it, but a Dana 40 in a truck at this price point? SWEET!
Living in Colorado you absolutely need a 4x4.My Frontier does more than enough I've had a Frontier since 07 and I had a Jeep Wrangler let's just say I no longer have the Wrangler and my nissan is still going strong.
All I know are friends that have F150's with the 10 speed? They hate it. It constantly is shifting all the time. It gets annoying. Plus the 5 speed in the Frontier of yesterday was bulletproof. I have a feeling this new 9 speed wont be for several years. You don't need 9 or 10 gears anywayz, its a sales gimmick. I think a good 6 speed would be fine for the Frontier. That would help with towing. But the 5 speed in our truck is quite good we have no complaints. 👍😎
If you're able to, you should do an mpg comparison between a 2019 Frontier with the 5 speed and the 2020 Frontier with the 9 speed. See how much better the efficiency is with those 4 more gears.
I have a 2015 Pro 4x, and I love it! It has always done everything we wanted. The only thing it can't do vs the Gladiator is remove the doors and roof. Not worth paying the extra 40k just to do that. Frontier is great!
I have a 2017 Frontier Pro-4x and for the price it’s the best truck you can buy, the drive train will last forever it can get through some of the thick mud we have here in Texas and it’s just a nice solid truck can’t go wrong.
Alexandre Derecho DI is shit! I’ll keep my 2016 4.0. I’m even contemplating buying a 2019 and storing it for when I sell my 2016 in 20 years. DI reliability will be an issue IMO
I think the tires are what was hurting the Nissan. If you look closely at 11:37 you can see the abs trying to stop the lifted wheel in the front and put the power down. Also thanks Tommy for giving it another go instead of giving up! That make for better TV. Got to take the chances if you want the views.
I have a 2010 pathfinder and you're right the TC is fantastic. Gone everywhere where my friends use their lockers. They are always surprised to see I made it. I'm not tho lol.
I mean, the extra $20k on the Frontier can get you some serious modifications... custom front and rear bumpers with a winch, *real* rock rails, better tires, suspension lift kit, recovery gear, beefier skid plating, and even lighting if you're into that sorta thing. To name a few.
Jeeps are crazy stupid expensive , not worth it in Canada . I would put my down on the Nissan and get some nice rock rails and what ever else you want and still bank a lot of money
It'd be different if it was a car they owned right? But it's not - that 2020 Frontier they are driving is a special early access demonstrator vehicle, doesn't even have fuel economy figures or pricing released yet, and if the journalists want to continue to have access to trucks like that, they can't do things like slide them into a tree.
I run an 06 pathfinder on 35's wheeled up to 3 times a week and driven daily 60+ miles to work.. with 10inches of rear independent suspension travel and strapped to 14inches of travel in the front ..its like ridding on fluffy clouds compared to an over priced jeep.. my freind has 100k in his 4door Rubicon... I hear " what the f..is that" and "how did you get back here" all the time.. then I hit them with my total build cost of 7k including my purchase price..lol .. buy the jeep.. go ahead they are nice... just don't be mad at the people who spent less to go were you go..
My favorite thing about this truck was the 4-liter VQ. I had one as a rental a few years ago, and I was really impressed with it, thought it had some good power. My 4Runner with the Toyota 4.0 feels like it has two dead cylinders in comparison.
Toyota 4.0 actually has more power and torque but you are in a heavier vehicle. From the sounds of it this 3.8 is way better although mpg seems to have stayed almost the same, I would bet the transmission has a lot more to do with the improvements than the actual engine.
@@jlara3252 the Toyota 4.0 makes good numbers on paper, the problem is that those numbers occur well above 4000 RPM. In normal driving, the transmission wants to keep the motor at 2000 RPM were below. So in reality, you're pretty much never getting those hp numbers. I saw a Dyno chart of this motor, and at 2000 RPM's make about 150 horsepower and 150 ft lbs of torque. Basically four cylinder numbers.
Jeremy Gilbert same with the jeep gladiator sport. Which has nicer tech and designed by EX Mercedes-Benz engineers Plus way better resale value for your future, way more fun, and has all the new tech
Yeah most are because the rebates are crazy we are seeing Rubicon gladiators for 41k 0% for 84 months but durring all this I doubt we will see the 4door jeep Wrangler 0% for 84 months
A lot of it might have to do with Jeep only providing Rubicon models for testing, because that's the package they want you to buy. Reviewers, especially reviewers like TFL who are provided early access demonstrator models dont usually get much choice in which package they get to review, and it's almost always going to be the most expensive package the manufacturer offers because the review is basically an advertisement for the vehicle.
I would like a mashup of Ranger Fx4, Colorado zr2, Frontier Pro4X, Tacoma TRD and Rubicon. But only lock the rears on the zr2 and Rubicon. That way testing is fair across the board.
Jeff Eppenger it’s not terrible, you are correct, but it’s a truck like you said. What’s the point, who cares which is quicker? I had a 4.0 extended cab and mine was even quicker but it’s nothing to brag about especially since every sedan, mid size and many full size trucks are quicker or just as quick.
I own a 2018 Pro-4X and use it as my daily driver. I am retired and tow a light, 21 foot, center console boat a short distance to a local ramp 3 to 4 days a week. I also use it for light off-roading (mostly driving dirt roads or 2 track trails to reach hiking or mountain biking trails). In the last several years I have owned a Tacoma TRD Off Road and Silverado 1500 4X4. I enjoyed driving those trucks too, but I much prefer the Frontier for my mixed use driving needs. It tows the boat with less strain than my Tacoma did and is easier to park with better trail manners than my Silverado had.
Seriously... I think I can count on a couple fingers the times they’ve made it by that dinky tree. Take an old beater up there and accidentally hit that little scrub and open up many possibilities.
I think the thing holding the frontier back wasn't the lack of a front locker, it was the tires. If they were to take the same shoes from the Rubicon and put it on the frontier, it would have made it up no problem. Nissan starts with inexpensive tires and then individuals can buy whatever pair fits them depending on what they're going to use it for. Not everyone wants off-roading tires right out the gate because they're hardly ever going to use it for that.
The Nissan Frontier is tops in 'my book',..and I will buy another someday soon. These are comfortable trucks that handle very well on highway and byway with some off-roading in between. I never did 'hate' the truck, I did however get really tired of the old and dated V6 and always wished that the 4.0 litre engine and automatic transmission combo would be better on fuel. Now that they ( Nissan ) have come out with a new engine and transmission,...I will be taking another look at the 'new' Frontier within the next year,..God willing and this pandemic! P.S. Thanks to Roman and Tommy for this video,..I do find them informative and enjoyable.
I'm waiting for new Fronty too. Not sure what year you have but is the turning circle still pretty bad? My Dad's 2003 CC long bed was downright dangerous at times. Not sure if Nissan improved that over the years.
@@gerry2893 I have a 2015 turning circle is horrendous haha and gas mileage can be quite poor but God do I love this truck for the few and i mean few faults i have its awesome in so many ways between work and highway driving its awesome
Hey Tommy. I love my 2018 Nissan Frontier Pro4X. I like the simplicity of the interior, it’s a truck after all. The less fancy it is the less you car when someone hops in with muddy boots. Now the key is 3.69 gear ratio. My 2018 does not have that low of a gearing. It came with 3.35 and manuals came with 3.55. The 2020 is already geared to what I’m swapping my gears for. Does the new ones come with the C200K or M226? The M226 is almost identical to a Dana 44.
Just love that frontier. New transmission and engine but still the same truck. I am still satisfied with my 2017 Nissan pro 4X have 25k mile on it and will keep it till the wheels fall off. Goals 1 million miles. Thanks for the review and stay safe TFL truck crew.
Aaron French true, but this is the review I wanted to see forever now. I was gonna buy a jeep, but bought a frontier instead. And im super happy with my choice. I just wanted to see what I missed out on by not spending an extra $35,000
I have a stock 2018 Frontier Pro4X with 90,000 miles on it. I am very happy with it . I back country camp and explore in the Southwest Deserts. The truck is very capable. I have considered beter off road tires but I don't want to loose highway mpg. 18 to 20 mpg on the highway . 15 mpg off road. The 20 gallon tank is nice in Death Valley or Big Bend National Parks.
@@davidschreiber1823 actually they are not. If you look at sales figures b4 the virus hit, they were terrible after the introduction they were not selling. Jeep is now offering 13.5k Off new Gladiators. I was looking at the dealership in Idaho and they offered a 63k Rubicon for under 50k. Just an FYI.
I just bought a used 2007 Frontier 4WD, and this video answered one of my biggest questions: how the Frontier's independent front suspension compares to a solid front axle. The good: better ride in general on uneven terrain; the down side: not quite as good at extreme rock/obstacle crawling. And it also illustrated well the limits of a non-locking front differential. (My truck also has Goodrich Rugged Terrain T/A P265-70R16 tires (approx. 30.6" diameter, 16.6" tread width), so those are solid all-purpose tires.) This is exactly the information I was hoping to find today on RUclips: a good video that gives me an indicator of the practical outermost limits of my new ride in the hands of an experienced driver. Granted, my '07 doesn't have that shiny new 3.6-liter V6 or the new trannie, but it's still a really good resource. Thanks!
90% of the capability for 60% of the price. I have been saying things like this forever but lots of people think there is only one way to skin a cat. Granted if rock crawling is your bread and butter go for the wrangler. But for everything else you would be amazed at what small lift, tire, and rear locker would do to any random 4x4.
I love my Frontier. It's the Desert Runner so only a 4x2 with a limited slip. After I got it , I was like "man I should've gotten the Pro-4X." But, living in Florida I've never needed 4X4 and it's amazing in the Sand.
Glad to see a frontier back in the channel! Great video guys! I have 2010 pro4x and I love it. Just want to find a good reliable 2 inch lift. Any suggestions?
They make a leveling kit that will give you about a 2 inch lift. I used on both of my Xterras, 06 and 14 Pro 4x. I upgraded the tires from 265s to 285s. Gave me a total of around 3 1/2 inches of lift. My local tire and custom lift shop got it for me. Shouldn't be hard to find.
I have a 2016 sv 4x4 go off road a lot never got stuck in mud,snow, rocky ledges or anything, why spend over 20 grand on a truck that won't last much longer then the Chrysler Cordoba did
I couldn't care less about bells and whistles, as long as the drive train/power plant is strong and the sound system is good, the inside can stay in 2005. My Frontier has been good to me. If I don't get a Toyota I'm sticking with the Frontiers. Fun, fast, easy to drive.
Why the frontier is so low. It will help more if it was higher for another 2 inches. This also proof that a true offroad car will do it better with a front locker. I think the industry needs to update!
The good thing abut that tiny infotainment system is that it is easy replaceable with an aftermarket unit (Pioneer, Kenwood, JVC, etc) which will give you a bigger screen and all the latest features.
This is a great video for people that know nothing about off road driving. The trail is a joke to everyone else with just a couple of months experience. You don't need lockers for that mild trail. The Nissan could have cleared the moderate part where the tree was with a better set of tires. You guys are always fun to watch for a good laugh! Thanks Heckle and Jeckle. Oh and Razor Rocks...REALLY! LOL!!! I ran trails way worse than this with my first jeep stock, no lockers, and Good Year Duratracs.
Exactly, but they would be more similarly equipped and it would be much harder to justify getting the jeep over the frontier without the sway bar disconnect, diff lockers, amd tires of the Rubicon. Now you have a truck with a terrible break over angle because of having the wheelbase of a bus that now has a worse break over angle since it rides lower than the Rubicon. Not to me tion price difference.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix a comparison isnt really a comparison unless you compare 2 different things, frontier vs gladiator is just as valid as gladiator vs zr2 and tbh 90% of gladiators and zr2s wont see the rocks the frontier probably will because its a tried and true work truck and many people who buy it offroad it daily to their work site or on their farm
Up here on Canada's East Coast, you can buy a super-low mileage 2019 Pro4x with leather, nav. sunroof and the superior Rockfort Fosgate stereo for less than half the price of a 2020 Rubicon Gladiator. Guess I'll be buying that like-new Pro4x and investing in beaten-down stocks with the money I'll save. Seems like the better investment.
Look, guys, I do love your videos and these mismatch videos are always fun but come on. The Nissan is not in any way all new. Yes, it has what will be the future engine and transmission but literally everything else on the truck is 15 years old. And seriously, no one is cross-shopping a Gladiator Rubicon and a Frontier, even if it is the Pro4x. I'm not a Jeep guy but I have great respect for the factory capabilities and let's face it, nothing on the market matches the Rubicon series products for factory offroad capability. So anyone considering going hardcore off roading without doing any mods ( no one) has only one choice. The others who buy Jeep are just poseurs who dig the aura and cool factor Jeep products offer. Which is why they can get away with selling a product like the Wrangler and Gladiator for the prices these vehicles command to people who will never get them dirty. People buying the Nissan are usually looking for a hardworking, reliable truck that gets the job done. And these little trucks do just that. They are more than capable enough to get ninety nine percent of owners anywhere they are actually willing to risk their truck. The Pro4x will get you a bit further down the trail but that's not why most people buy them. Again, there's a little poseur factor in any beefy looking four wheel drive plus the Pro4x package does get you a lot of goodies for the money above the other trim levels. Now, after seeing this line mentioned in a trillion (yes, exaggerating) videos please understand that the only people who even mention "hard plastics", much less complain about them, are auto reviewers and people who don't intended to get their trucks dirty. Real people don't care. Yes, they notice but it's not a big deal. Especially when the price starts escalating. And while I'm whining let me ask. What the hell is the deal with the fake longing for manual transmissions? I ask that because on every car review channel the hosts act like their mother just died when they find that another brand has eliminated the manual option on one of their cars. But somehow they themselves virtually never have a manual trans equipped version of any of their test vehicles even when it's an option AND they purchased the vehicle themselves so they could have transferred or ordered it in even if one wasn't immediately available on a local dealer lot. You guys made special mention that the Nissan isn't available with a manual and acted like that was a fault but you bought an automatic Gladiator Rubicon when you could have had the manual. Look, manufacturers don't provide options that people CLAIM to desire because in the real world not enough people actually buy what they claim to desire. Manual transmissions chief among those pretend desires. I'm not just singling out TFL. Almost every car or truck channel bemoans the lack of manuals and then has a fleet of personal and review rigs that offered a manual that they didn't buy or request when they had the option to do so. Put your money where your mouth is or stop with the "I wish it had a manual", B.S.
I'd love to see the diesel Colorado ZR2 vs the diesel Gladiator when it comes out. Towing mpg, Ike gauntlet, off-road, and unladen mpg loop! Keep up the good work guys and stay safe with this whole covid19 pandemic going on.
I really like jeeps, but I have already owned 4 Cherokee's and a pretty built Rubicon that was on 39s. that I have had over the years. I really like the look of the frontier pro-4x. I used to have a nissan titan and it was a great truck! I recently decided Im Gonna buy a Nissan Frontier Pro-4x in the next month or so. I have a ton of plans for it between suspension, full custom stereo, bed rack, roof tent, etc. I'm pretty excited to get going on it! Been wanting a new project for a while!
It's hard to beat that Rubicon in any guise, but it would have been interesting to know how a similarly priced and equipped Gladiator would have done. This was supposed to be Gladiator versus Frontier, and it actually just ended up being an advertisement for how badass the Rubicon package is for an extra $20,000 over the pro4x.
I agree completely with Tommy. The only thing the gladiator & jl could use is more leg room. I'd love for the seat to move back a couple more inches....oh and a better price tag. 🙂
Funny thing is the Porsche 911 and G-Wagon are evolutionary vehicles and no one complains about that. Granted the Frontier literally hasn't changed much, but it works, so why fix it? I think people are just too impressed by gimmicks vs reliability and effectiveness.
The razor rock section looks like a ‘road’, I drove on in Hawaii. Did it with a regular rental car (not supposed to) and was scared to death. Think I averaged .1 mph 😉
The frontier is such a great value and as mentioned you don’t sacrifice that much really. Plus I’d rather start cheap and build exactly what I want. Although as a platform to build on I don’t think the jeep can be beat. But vs the tacoma trd pro/zr2 you aren’t losing much at all and save so much.
as much as a value the Frontier is that interior is what kills it for me. If its my daily driver sitting in that trucks interior day in and day out and not having some of the basic features that other midsize offer stock or even at the same price as the frontier i just couldnt do it. Also Most of the Nissans new engines designs usually have a problem in the first year or two so id wait till i knew the new engine had no reliability issues. I feel the ranger is prolly the better midsize Truck on the market ATM for the class.
The interior is rough, but I do appreciate the simplicity of the Frontier. No need for blind spot detection. When you look at the side view mirrors you can't miss a thing. But it's just ancient, as oft repeated
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix The screen is so bad resolution as is the back up camera. Has no Trail modes like the Ranger does. Apple car play and or android auto. Its just so outdated in the interior .
@@09blackcobaltss who needs trail modes? Such gimmickry for people who cant drive. I dont seem to have an issue with the camera on the one o drove. I dont need 1080p full HD to avoid hitting something while backing up. Android auto is a complete waste. Can't use anything on the phone except google maps. Can't my poweramp audio player, nothing. Its worthless unless you just have to have your Google maps on the screen. Cant speak on apple car play because I don't own an apple product. And they new one does offer android auto and apple car play. Point is it has the basics. You want a luxury car, buy one.sure the interior is outdated, but so what, that's strictly a styling preference. My 03 Discovery interior is outdated but it's nice. It doesn't even have a backup camera, or any of the other features the frontier has. It has leather, heated seats, power windows and locks and dual zone climate control, that's about it, and I'm perfectly fine with it. It doesnt have trail mode and it will still mop the floor with most vehicles that do have it. Its outdated suv and I still like it better than most newer vehicles. I could care less about camera resolution, android auto/apple car play or how "new looking" the interior is. I care if its comfortable and functional. I like the bare bones basic interior and lack of tech overload. The screen is plenty big enough for me, the camera is just fine.
Preciate yall! Keeping everyone entertained!
Jeep costs less if u compare base model. Not to mention way more fun vehicle that doesn’t drive like every other vehicle out there (and the Nissan is 20 years old)
@@chadhanson4369 jeeps break too much. Junk
@Saint Laurent Don we have 3 Nissans lol I won't buy anything else
Enjoy your videos keep up the great work
Not sure if you mentioned it but, the Nissan is at least $20K cheaper than the Jeep. $20K will buy a bunch of mods and gasoline.
David yeah like a front arb locker for about $1500 and then you’d have on board air.
3" lift kit, winch, steel bumper and at least 33" knobby tires...
@@richfarfugnuven6308 yeah I like all the mods to the bones of the truck, but don't forget about accessorizing to make an overland vehicle. How about a topper with a roof top tent, solar battery, and refrigerator? All that could be done and more with a 20K budget.
@Luis Bolanos I guess you aren't aware of the "overlanding" culture that has sprung up the past few years. A 4x4 pickup with everything you need to camp comfortably can go places an RV can't. Search on RUclips for "Overlanding" to see what people are doing.
@Luis Bolanos Well, that's why they make more than one flavor of ice cream....so everybody can have what they want. I want to get away from everybody and everything.
Nissan Frontier, proving a 16 year design can do almost anything that is sold today in it's class. It's almost like an insult to the rest of the class the longer it stays in production lol 😂
I know! It's almost a shame they are replacing it. It continues to outsell the ranger which is brand new for the US. And even was a super old design, it still has very comparable horsepower and torque to class leading Tacoma. Honestly all it needs is trail control like the Tacoma and ranger and is every bit as good.
@@andrewh86sd The frontier is the best bang for buck truck in my opinion. It's a big middle finger to the ZR2 and the Rubicon, and for nearly half the price. I'd use my saved money to turn it into a 400+ Horsepower supercharged zr2 destroying beast. It really is one of the best trucks you can buy.
@@jacobremillard if you wanna make a frontier powerful
You can swap in the titan v8, cams,exhaust and a tune would easily put you at 400whp or so. You can retain the fronteir trans (manual)
And to top it off titan suspension put on a frontier is a direct or near direct bolt on that adds ground clearance and travel
ricecakeFTW, yes I totally agree with you! 👍💯%
@@justsomegarage yeah, true! But I didn't V8 swap my 2010 Frontier Nismo Kingcab 6 Speed Manual Transmission, it is still V6 4.0L but Supercharged! I have a pretty nice set up on the truck, I have a Stillen Supercharger (screw gear type) I have a pretty nice after market Intercooler, and a aftermarket Oil Cooler (replaced my OEM Stock Nissan Oil Cooler) Radiator is also After Market, more performance than the OEM Nissan Stock. I got silicone rubber radiator hose, if you want your truck to perform better then it's cooling system has to be working great and runs much cooler than it is before. I have the best exhaust headers the best that I can find available in the market. I got Volant Cold Air Intake, Magnaflow Catback Exhaust (with Deleted factory OEM resonator, and Muffler only, and also I deleted Cat converter!) I got racing type Spark plugs, and racing type high pressure Fuel Injectors on all 6 cylinders. Before the setup modifications I dismantle the 4.0L V6 and took out the Cylinder block and I brought the block to my buddy's machine shop and we did some cylinder Rebore, I added extra diameter hole on the bore so I can use a little bit bigger Piston, I'm no longer using a factory OEM Nissan Piston, it's an after market now. Pistons is upgraded much more rugged than the OEM Stock. Piston rings, Piston Rods, bearings are all after market and racing type. After modifications my truck made 600hp and 548 ft/lbs of torque and I got freaked out and my buddy and I lowered it down to 398Hp and 401ft/lbs. I don't want the Engine to blow up! My truck is supercharged, and moded I'm smoking some Subaru STI's, Mustang and charger and even camaro's on the road.
Frontier = 90% of the capabilities at 60% of the price = Value
Mark Bagley until you try lifting that IFS shit or putting 35s on it at all
@@mattbrew11 eh. UCAs, locker and some other simple shit. Around 1400 bucks low end and 4k high end. Still not even close to what a jeep costs. And much better on road characteristics. ie no wobble of death. Lots of domestic companies that support the brand.
Smarter Than You
Titan swap. Go to club frontier or newx forums and you’ll see how easy it is. People are running 38 and 40’s.
Agent. K. Oh yeah looks super easy
Fiberglass sides, frame cutting and complete front end redesigns.
www.clubfrontier.org/threads/40s-on-a-frontier.361214/
_ GRAMCRAKKA _ you haven’t driven a gladiator clearly. The massive lift required to run 35s on a Nissan compared to 35s fitting on the completely stock suspension of a gladiator absolutely yields a worse ride. A 2” lifted gladiator rubicon on 37s runs leapyears ahead of a Nissan pushing 35s
I recently purchased a 2019 Pro 4x. I don't think people realize how functional and great the interior is inside one of these trucks until they experience it from the drivers seat. It does not do it justice through a computer screen. I test drove every other brand and could not stand the centre stacks and computers in any other truck. Thanks for keeping it simple Nissan!
N Mar-Key-O truth!
I have a 13 P4x and I'm very happy with the interior as well as the off roading capabilities.
I’m thinking of buying Pro-4x 2019 too. In Canada they’re going for low to mid 30’s which is awesome.
How’s the highway driving at high speeds ? I drive a lot on highway so road comfort would be important.
Titan is also only 4000 more so a little bit unsure.. from what I read so far online, fuel economy is not much different between frontier and titan.
@@Charnjotgill01 I am frrom Ontario Canada and the lowest we can get them here is about $39-41,000. Low 30s is a great deal! Unfortunatley they became more popular this year because people wanted to buy them up before the engine changed. It is an absolute beast on the highway. I get up to 140 very quickly and it sounds beautiful. She is definitely very thirst though as you stated. That is the only downfall in my opinion but not enough to turn me off of it.
Bought a 2015 SV 4X4 last year and it does 50x the amount of work my old full sized chevy did. The heated seats and factory spray in bedliner got me hooked from the get go. And I absolutely love the way the truck rides. Its also super reliable, and I dont have to fix it every 2 weeks like I did with my chevy. Such a great little truck.
I like the current body of Frontier because it is so old. Its the only pick up that still looks like a pick up from my favorite era of trucks. Every truck from the 90's looked like classy pick ups, but they weren't oversized or bubbly like they are today.
Jason's Fishing Again? Just to let you know they’re actually the same width but the new ones do look a lot bigger. I have the same viewpoint as you only I believe the jeep is a classy look not to mention how much fun they are to drive
Jason's Fishing Again? That's why I love the looks of my Tacoma, it looks trucky inside and out
But it's a NEW TRUCK it should be UPDATED. They should update the look. The infotainment system ect.
The Gladiator is an inch wider than the Frontier
What? You don’t like the new Tacamry?
Considering the Frontier is almost $20k less than the Gladiator i would take the Frontier any day.. Frontier will probably last longer also
It will definitely longer
I still like the old Frontier. But I really wish that Nissan would bring back a good Xterra.
Same
The year I bought my wrangler, the Xterra was my 2nd choice but it was there last production year. Looking for a truck this time around and this looks pretty damn good.
@@jasondavis1453 i would buy a new Exterra in a heart beat
God I still have my xterra and they need to bring a new version. I’m planning on keeping that thing till I die.
Had a 04 xterra. Did a lot of stuff with it stock and way cheaper than this gladiator.
I had a Pro 4x for 5 years and it was the bomb (lived in Denver, played in the CO mntns and Moab). I would definitely recommend it to anyone looking for a reliable, capable, mid-size truck.
I would love them to test a Gladiator that is in the same price range as the frontier. That would be a more fair comparison.
Well the gladiator stars at 45k here. The frontier pro 4x fully loaded is 30k...
not really just because of the jeeps suspension make up but that Nissan kicks some ass for the price
1234cnl true. But the lower end Jeep’s won’t have as good of an AT tire. And I don’t think they have a locking front differential. Two major advantages for the Rubicon.
@@SoundsLikeaPlanOutdoors I didn't think of the tires and idk if they have that locking diff on the lower priced ones so that could be a big difference so you could be right
I've noticed that when they have any type of Jeep they always have the Rubicon. It's never an apples to apples comparison.
What is it with this hard-plastic phobia? Who the heck cares? The Nissan interior is "not a great place to spend time" because the dashtop and window sills aren't cushy? Who sits there?
Right? I enjoy taking my afternoon naps on my dash...
Jim King your vision sits there
That what I liked about the Frontier, it's interior is simple and straightforward.
Basic fact is that the frontier is a way better deal, the Rubicons where i live at least go for 50,000 plus easy, while a prox4 frontier new is in the 30,000 range and used is even less
@Suq Madiq For the money you can get a better interior. In a car with front wheel drive. It's not classy but it's easy to maintain, stands up to heat and dust well.
My x is doing great at 204k, and I get better mileage than my girlfriend's subaru. Sorry you had that experience but I don't think it's typical.
Here in Canada a Pro4x is about 40% less than the Rubicon. The Frontier would have made it up but would have touched the tree. It needed better tires but that’s an easy fix.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda, DIDNT. If you have to modify to make it, its not factory which is what they are testing. Also consider whats available to modify the Jeep if you want to go there.
@@gabrielback5615 Very true...but you pay for it big time in the Jeep.
A. Garcia And a front locker if you need it.
A. Garcia you guys also realize you’re paying 20 K for all the technology and off-road upgrades as well as the fun and interior materials are far superior.
Not to mention the tech transmission and a lot of the new body was designed by the EX Mercedes-Benz engineers Chrysler recruited
Just go for the sport if you guys want the same price point and it still has more off-road tech and way better resale value
Not to mention way more fun
For as old as the Frontier is, it's still a good looking truck!
It’s extremely ugly
@@Hesed6 Funny how that new Jeep is very new and makes embarrassing amount of power
@@mauricemotors8207 Hes been commenting its ugly so much😂
@@kirksingletary3788 I'm thinking about getting the extremely ugly 2020 Frontier pro 4X 🤣
@@scottmickna1893 that's obviously a "terrible" decision. Why on earth would you buy something so ugly? 😂 that dude should work on his extremely "beautiful" beard of his
The frontier pro 4x I had for a couple months while my Tacoma was in for frame replacement, and I loved it for working as a Forester. It took a major beating and always tracked straight through it all
And the Nissan didn't need a new frame either!
I’m a Toyota guy but man I love frontiers, especially this generation. These things are just as reliable as Tacoma’s and look great with a little lift and some nice A/T tires. I actually prefer these frontiers over the 3rd gen Tacoma.
the interior makes me squirm though.
And You miss the Toyota Tax with a frontier!
That Frontier will last years longer than the Rubicon for a fraction of the cost.
Night Mahar then you woke up .
Yeah don't think so
@@juanf4739 After I woke up all the Jeeps TSBs were still there. No matter how hard I get pinched.
Night Mahar my 1977 jeep and my 1994 jeep are both still running flawlessly. Don't see many 1977 Nissan running around.
How many Nissan fought in WW2 and are still on the road?
I'll answer for you. ZERO!
oldviolin501 that’s pre-Chrysler buying out Jeep. Not the same.
I have a 2011 Frontier with 126k miles on it, and I have to say it is the best vehicle purchase I have ever made. I have treated it like dirt.. I change the oil when I remember, it has been hit by a van, pushed a tree over... hauled all of my camping gear and done everything I have needed it to do. Best 19k I have ever spent... That is what I financed for my SV Frontier back then... MAN they have gone up in price LOL
Lou Hodo
I have a 2008 Frontier with 180k.
Nothing wrong with it at all.
2011 pro 4x here. 150k, still rides brand new!
Update... 4 years later 150k miles and still treat it the same.... no major issues.
Having a 2018 Frontier Pro-4x, I'm not disappointed at all!! I've done many upgrades, so my capabilities are even closer to that Gladiator (at $30k less).
Completely agree nothing a lift and better tires has not fixed for far less money.
So ugly
@@Hesed6 No you
No doubt. My 2018 will likely stay bone stock at least till I need new tires. Beautiful machine.
Frontier/xterra/pathfinder is a very sweet platform. In 2005, that drivetrain, traction control systems, etc were ahead of the game.
Had the 06' Pathfinder 4x4. Was a tank. I loved it
They were once Nissan worked out all the bugs with the cooling system, timing chain, and various other issues. After ‘09 they are pretty solid.
@@ohboy2592 then they put a cvt in the pathfinder ....
blammod omg, are you serious? CVT is junk no matter who makes it. Unreal.
@@ohboy2592Yeah 2011-2019 is the goldilocks zone of frontiers. The Old school truck and drivetrain but with some modern features like parking sensors and backup camera and all the issues fixed.
At Almost a 20k price diffrence ( baseded on curent prices) thats a Lot of Mods that could be done on the nissan.
Thank you to evrey one at tfl an stay safe....
you can also buy a base level Nissan for that price diffrence
The thing I like about the older Nissan Frontier is that they're 8000+ off right now. Even the Pro-4x are $28,000 now.
James M still wouldn’t buy a Nissan! Jeeps are the best 4x4s !
@@juanf4739 That's understandable for a serious off-roader.
Yeah everyone loves to hate on the Frontier for some reason but they are basic, reliable trucks that can do 99% of what you would want to do in a truck just fine. Lets be honest, 90% of the Rubicons and Pro4x and others sold aren't eve going to see anything harder to drive on than a gravel road - so if you realistically aren't going to need that kind of off road capability, do you really need to shell out $20k-$30k more for the Jeep?
James is that on new ones?
New ones without the updated engine and transmission.
I can put an ARB Locker in the front diff of my old xTerra Pro-4x for about $1100 and be WAY ahead of the pricing on that Rubicon. Hell, for the price diff I can buy a wrecked Titan Pro-4X, take the whole front clip off (Motor, trans, transfer case, front axle, control arms, etc.) and make a v8 powered xTerra AND have a locker. It's a build, but gonna be better than the Rubi-con.
Almost did it. Driven Desire didn't have the 6speed adapter ready yet. Had to rebuild the vq40. It is available now btw.
Let us know when you add the removable roof, doors and folding windshield too!
@@adamharriger5193 let me know how you fair out on the trail through a swarm of bees with the top off ..doors off and windshield folded down... lol
Frontier, old as dirt yet still has better rear brakes than the Tacoma LOL
and fully boxed titan frame, dana 44, real power in the frontier.
I have a ‘17 Frontier, I love it. Don’t off-road much, but winter traction with good tires is incredible.
The Frontier is a lot of truck for the money. I find it's been-around-since-forever to be a selling point - it's sorted and reliable. You know what you're getting with it. Something a lot of folks don't know is the rear axle on the Pro4X is a Dana 40. It's a proprietary axle to Nissan so you're limited to modifying it, but a Dana 40 in a truck at this price point? SWEET!
I love my Pro-4X! You guys are probably the biggest factor that helped me decide to get one. Love what you do and how you do it!
Living in Colorado you absolutely need a 4x4.My Frontier does more than enough I've had a Frontier since 07 and I had a Jeep Wrangler let's just say I no longer have the Wrangler and my nissan is still going strong.
Really smart of Nissan testing the new powertrain and transmission before the new body comes, nice move Nissan
All I know are friends that have F150's with the 10 speed? They hate it. It constantly is shifting all the time. It gets annoying. Plus the 5 speed in the Frontier of yesterday was bulletproof. I have a feeling this new 9 speed wont be for several years. You don't need 9 or 10 gears anywayz, its a sales gimmick. I think a good 6 speed would be fine for the Frontier. That would help with towing. But the 5 speed in our truck is quite good we have no complaints. 👍😎
Eppyz
You have friends?
BS
If you're able to, you should do an mpg comparison between a 2019 Frontier with the 5 speed and the 2020 Frontier with the 9 speed. See how much better the efficiency is with those 4 more gears.
I have a 2015 Pro 4x, and I love it! It has always done everything we wanted. The only thing it can't do vs the Gladiator is remove the doors and roof. Not worth paying the extra 40k just to do that. Frontier is great!
Not a lot of talk about the terrible break over angle on the Jeep
I have a 2017 Frontier Pro-4x and for the price it’s the best truck you can buy, the drive train will last forever it can get through some of the thick mud we have here in Texas and it’s just a nice solid truck can’t go wrong.
just curious about the DI engine, without Port Injection... I heard PI is required for reliability ?
Alexandre Derecho DI is shit! I’ll keep my 2016 4.0. I’m even contemplating buying a 2019 and storing it for when I sell my 2016 in 20 years. DI reliability will be an issue IMO
I think the tires are what was hurting the Nissan. If you look closely at 11:37 you can see the abs trying to stop the lifted wheel in the front and put the power down. Also thanks Tommy for giving it another go instead of giving up! That make for better TV. Got to take the chances if you want the views.
Josh C
I have a 13 Xterra and the TC is great. Really exceeded my expectations.
I have a 2010 pathfinder and you're right the TC is fantastic. Gone everywhere where my friends use their lockers. They are always surprised to see I made it. I'm not tho lol.
I mean, the extra $20k on the Frontier can get you some serious modifications... custom front and rear bumpers with a winch, *real* rock rails, better tires, suspension lift kit, recovery gear, beefier skid plating, and even lighting if you're into that sorta thing. To name a few.
Jeeps are crazy stupid expensive , not worth it in Canada . I would put my down on the Nissan and get some nice rock rails and what ever else you want and still bank a lot of money
Spoiled Daddy's princesses get em to get laid.... Better off renting a better looking escort
Need to pay for that universal healthcare.
hell its not worth it in the states as well
Best off road tires on that truck will make the difference
"Tommy start your own channel, and break whatever you want, you almost gave your dad a heart attack. "
Ben Martinez goals
It'd be different if it was a car they owned right? But it's not - that 2020 Frontier they are driving is a special early access demonstrator vehicle, doesn't even have fuel economy figures or pricing released yet, and if the journalists want to continue to have access to trucks like that, they can't do things like slide them into a tree.
Those tires on the Nissan just ain't good enough for the razor rocks
That is true, but the Hankook are very durable and a long lasting tire.
hell of alot better then the crap toyota puts on their tacomas.
I have the same Hankooks on my vehicle and they are very soft on the side walls.
motaz1975 but the Tacoma made it up that with the crap tires lmao
@@brycehammond2099 frontier would have too if they took a different line and werent afraid to dent it.
Love the old school frontier. Cheaper simple and very capable.
Your comment about the backup camera being a potato is arguably the best part of this video.
Let’s see solid axle vs independent
One purpose built one not...
I’ll take the Nissan all day
All day, err day!
I run an 06 pathfinder on 35's wheeled up to 3 times a week and driven daily 60+ miles to work.. with 10inches of rear independent suspension travel and strapped to 14inches of travel in the front ..its like ridding on fluffy clouds compared to an over priced jeep.. my freind has 100k in his 4door Rubicon... I hear " what the f..is that" and "how did you get back here" all the time.. then I hit them with my total build cost of 7k including my purchase price..lol .. buy the jeep.. go ahead they are nice... just don't be mad at the people who spent less to go were you go..
My favorite thing about this truck was the 4-liter VQ. I had one as a rental a few years ago, and I was really impressed with it, thought it had some good power. My 4Runner with the Toyota 4.0 feels like it has two dead cylinders in comparison.
The toyo 6 is a dog. Like most of their v6's
Toyota 4.0 actually has more power and torque but you are in a heavier vehicle. From the sounds of it this 3.8 is way better although mpg seems to have stayed almost the same, I would bet the transmission has a lot more to do with the improvements than the actual engine.
@@jlara3252 the Toyota 4.0 makes good numbers on paper, the problem is that those numbers occur well above 4000 RPM. In normal driving, the transmission wants to keep the motor at 2000 RPM were below. So in reality, you're pretty much never getting those hp numbers. I saw a Dyno chart of this motor, and at 2000 RPM's make about 150 horsepower and 150 ft lbs of torque. Basically four cylinder numbers.
Tacoma, Taco, Toyo... why?
Nissan.
That Fiat will break down 100 times and leave you stranded on a trail before the Frontier will.
You can get a slightly used Frontier Pro-4X for under 30k in Ontario. I just bought a 2019 with 20,000km for $29,000.
Jeremy Gilbert same with the jeep gladiator sport. Which has nicer tech and designed by EX Mercedes-Benz engineers
Plus way better resale value for your future, way more fun, and has all the new tech
I don't think we are talking the same currency
I got a 2018 Nissan Desert Runner with 18k miles on it for $21.9k
I just got a 2017 Frontier SV like brand new 23K miles for 22K
When you can’t afford either of them 😞
Love that Nissan Frontier.
I'm tired of all reviewers only showing Rubicons, like everyone is buying that model
I can understand that, butI do love my 2019 jlu Rubicon, which is built up.
I agree. They should’ve used the Mojave or something with just a rear locker or just selected the rear on th Rubicon
Yeah most are because the rebates are crazy we are seeing Rubicon gladiators for 41k 0% for 84 months but durring all this I doubt we will see the 4door jeep Wrangler 0% for 84 months
A lot of it might have to do with Jeep only providing Rubicon models for testing, because that's the package they want you to buy. Reviewers, especially reviewers like TFL who are provided early access demonstrator models dont usually get much choice in which package they get to review, and it's almost always going to be the most expensive package the manufacturer offers because the review is basically an advertisement for the vehicle.
I would like a mashup of Ranger Fx4, Colorado zr2, Frontier Pro4X, Tacoma TRD and Rubicon. But only lock the rears on the zr2 and Rubicon. That way testing is fair across the board.
I’d rather have a $30,000 Frontier with $15,000 worth of aftermarket accessories than a $45,000 stock Jeep.
Good luck finding $15 k in frontier specific accessories, but you could definitely do a bad ass Titan swap for that amount
How about a low range drag race between 4.0 and 3.8 Frontier.
LSanti 100% yes. Would love to see the difference.
@@LrulestheworldM8 I would put money on the 4.0 V6 with the 5 speed. My gut feeling is it would pull off an upset. 😎
They are both slow, what’s the point?
@@ohboy2592 0-60 in 7.3 for the 4.0 with 5 speed auto isn't bad at all and that's a pro 4x crew cab.... It's a truck not a sports car 😎
Jeff Eppenger it’s not terrible, you are correct, but it’s a truck like you said. What’s the point, who cares which is quicker? I had a 4.0 extended cab and mine was even quicker but it’s nothing to brag about especially since every sedan, mid size and many full size trucks are quicker or just as quick.
I own a 2018 Pro-4X and use it as my daily driver. I am retired and tow a light, 21 foot, center console boat a short distance to a local ramp 3 to 4 days a week. I also use it for light off-roading (mostly driving dirt roads or 2 track trails to reach hiking or mountain biking trails). In the last several years I have owned a Tacoma TRD Off Road and Silverado 1500 4X4. I enjoyed driving those trucks too, but I much prefer the Frontier for my mixed use driving needs. It tows the boat with less strain than my Tacoma did and is easier to park with better trail manners than my Silverado had.
Sick of the "Razor Rock" trail. That frontier would make it. Lets find some obstacles without trees haha
I agree, it's just a scrubby pine tree. Turn it into firewood.
Seriously... I think I can count on a couple fingers the times they’ve made it by that dinky tree. Take an old beater up there and accidentally hit that little scrub and open up many possibilities.
I think the thing holding the frontier back wasn't the lack of a front locker, it was the tires. If they were to take the same shoes from the Rubicon and put it on the frontier, it would have made it up no problem. Nissan starts with inexpensive tires and then individuals can buy whatever pair fits them depending on what they're going to use it for. Not everyone wants off-roading tires right out the gate because they're hardly ever going to use it for that.
Thank you for adding that topnote with the Nissan update. It just shows that you're fair. I appreciate this
The Nissan Frontier is tops in 'my book',..and I will buy another someday soon. These are comfortable trucks that handle very well on highway and byway with some off-roading in between.
I never did 'hate' the truck, I did however get really tired of the old and dated V6 and always wished that the 4.0 litre engine and automatic transmission combo would be better on fuel.
Now that they ( Nissan ) have come out with a new engine and transmission,...I will be taking another look at the 'new' Frontier within the next year,..God willing and this pandemic!
P.S. Thanks to Roman and Tommy for this video,..I do find them informative and enjoyable.
I'm waiting for new Fronty too. Not sure what year you have but is the turning circle still pretty bad? My Dad's 2003 CC long bed was downright dangerous at times. Not sure if Nissan improved that over the years.
@@gerry2893 I have a 2015 turning circle is horrendous haha and gas mileage can be quite poor but God do I love this truck for the few and i mean few faults i have its awesome in so many ways between work and highway driving its awesome
Hey Tommy. I love my 2018 Nissan Frontier Pro4X. I like the simplicity of the interior, it’s a truck after all. The less fancy it is the less you car when someone hops in with muddy boots. Now the key is 3.69 gear ratio. My 2018 does not have that low of a gearing. It came with 3.35 and manuals came with 3.55. The 2020 is already geared to what I’m swapping my gears for. Does the new ones come with the C200K or M226? The M226 is almost identical to a Dana 44.
All pro4x and nismo frontiers with the 6 speed manual come with a 3.69 m226
I loved my 2016 pro 4x. That thing would go anywhere. Only reason I got rid of it was for more room in a full size for my family.
Just love that frontier. New transmission and engine but still the same truck. I am still satisfied with my 2017 Nissan pro 4X have 25k mile on it and will keep it till the wheels fall off. Goals 1 million miles. Thanks for the review and stay safe TFL truck crew.
They should have put the Ranger up against the new Frontier!
Aaron French true, but this is the review I wanted to see forever now. I was gonna buy a jeep, but bought a frontier instead. And im super happy with my choice. I just wanted to see what I missed out on by not spending an extra $35,000
I agree. That would be a great apples to apples comparison. And leave that stupid Honda at home. Nobody cares about that thing
@@LrulestheworldM8 I came from a 2017 Wrangler unlimited to a 2019 Frontier SV and so happy with the change.
My favorite off-road channel by far. Keep up the good work guys!
Good video. I would love to see a comparison of this new Frontier with the Colorado Z71 and the new Ranger pickups. :)
Nissan Frontier is a beast! Oldest ride, longest line.
Wooooooo 😂
Am I the only one who thinks the red dash in the tan Rubicon is stupid?
Nope, I’m there with you. I do like the Gladiator though, I’ve always loved Jeeps, I have a 2017 Rubi and a 1948 cj2a.
It looks bad on certain colors, but I don't think Gobi is one of them. Beautiful.
I have a stock 2018 Frontier Pro4X with 90,000 miles on it. I am very happy with it . I back country camp and explore in the Southwest Deserts. The truck is very capable. I have considered beter off road tires but I don't want to loose highway mpg. 18 to 20 mpg on the highway . 15 mpg off road. The 20 gallon tank is nice in Death Valley or Big Bend National Parks.
If FCA exec's read these comments here it goes: the Gladiator isn't selling well because it is so underpowered...
That it is, the Glad and Unlimited need a High tq low rpm Inline 6 or even a 5.7 hemi
@@leskobrandon538 FCA won't make a I6 again
Gladiators are selling very well
@@davidschreiber1823 m.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/2020-jeep-gladiator-discounts-reach-nearly-13k-at-some-dealers
@@davidschreiber1823 actually they are not. If you look at sales figures b4 the virus hit, they were terrible after the introduction they were not selling. Jeep is now offering 13.5k Off new Gladiators. I was looking at the dealership in Idaho and they offered a 63k Rubicon for under 50k. Just an FYI.
I just bought a used 2007 Frontier 4WD, and this video answered one of my biggest questions: how the Frontier's independent front suspension compares to a solid front axle. The good: better ride in general on uneven terrain; the down side: not quite as good at extreme rock/obstacle crawling. And it also illustrated well the limits of a non-locking front differential. (My truck also has Goodrich Rugged Terrain T/A P265-70R16 tires (approx. 30.6" diameter, 16.6" tread width), so those are solid all-purpose tires.)
This is exactly the information I was hoping to find today on RUclips: a good video that gives me an indicator of the practical outermost limits of my new ride in the hands of an experienced driver. Granted, my '07 doesn't have that shiny new 3.6-liter V6 or the new trannie, but it's still a really good resource. Thanks!
Bang for the $$$$$$. Nissan is it.....I own a 2019 and my dad owns an ‘08. Great trucks
The Crown Vic is smiling down from Heaven rooting for the Frontier to keep going.
90% of the capability for 60% of the price. I have been saying things like this forever but lots of people think there is only one way to skin a cat.
Granted if rock crawling is your bread and butter go for the wrangler. But for everything else you would be amazed at what small lift, tire, and rear locker would do to any random 4x4.
I love my Frontier. It's the Desert Runner so only a 4x2 with a limited slip. After I got it , I was like "man I should've gotten the Pro-4X." But, living in Florida I've never needed 4X4 and it's amazing in the Sand.
Phillip S until you get stuck in the sand and need 4x4
@@kuntrybruh296 hey you're right! Luckily I haven't gotten myself into that situation... yet lol
Phillip S yeah just remember to not to gas it when you take off and you’ll get through it no problem with a 4x2
@@kuntrybruh296 oh yeah for sure! People dont understand the tires need to roll over sand not dig down in it
I got a 2018 desert runner but I havent put it in sand yet. Mudding is fine as long as you go fast enough tho😂
It was kind of funny how the gladiator lifted the drivers front wheel off the ground as Jr. Says how it doesn't lift tires off the ground.
Definitely adding this one to the list. As someone who is just getting into off-roading and looking to buy a new vehicle.
I bought the Pro-4X, love it!
Glad to see a frontier back in the channel! Great video guys! I have 2010 pro4x and I love it. Just want to find a good reliable 2 inch lift. Any suggestions?
They make a leveling kit that will give you about a 2 inch lift. I used on both of my Xterras, 06 and 14 Pro 4x. I upgraded the tires from 265s to 285s. Gave me a total of around 3 1/2 inches of lift. My local tire and custom lift shop got it for me. Shouldn't be hard to find.
Brian N awesome thanks for that. If you get a hold of the makers name please let me know. Thanks again!
Heard the gladiator is being recalled. Fiat needs to step up reliability. I'll stick with the Frontier.
Fiat owns Nissan too lol. I Bought a frontier today,
These tests are great, would be nice if you guys standardized a tire to make things a bit more of a straight truck comparison though.
I have a 2016 sv 4x4 go off road a lot never got stuck in mud,snow, rocky ledges or anything, why spend over 20 grand on a truck that won't last much longer then the Chrysler Cordoba did
When are we going to see the Gladiator vs the ZR2? And I Don't mean Bison. Bison has a lower approach angle vs the ZR2.
The shorter wheelbase of the zr2 out did the gladiator in most tests that i witnessed last year . The lengthy gladiator bottomed out on center a lot .
Which one is way more fun with way better resale value and tech built by EX Mercedes Benz engineers. Only in a fun Jeep
Yes, and the winner would be the one without the bent frame. 😁
Lol Jeep finally learning their prices are too stupid to sell
treymetzger sure that’s why they keep on selling , don’t hate cause you can’t afford it. Thanks for surfacing
@@juanf4739 girl vehicles will always sell.
Z3R you sound like an expert
@@juanf4739 is defending Jeep. lol. Dude, your getting too worked up. Let people state their own opinions. Can you even afford it?
I couldn't care less about bells and whistles, as long as the drive train/power plant is strong and the sound system is good, the inside can stay in 2005. My Frontier has been good to me. If I don't get a Toyota I'm sticking with the Frontiers. Fun, fast, easy to drive.
Why the frontier is so low. It will help more if it was higher for another 2 inches. This also proof that a true offroad car will do it better with a front locker. I think the industry needs to update!
The good thing abut that tiny infotainment system is that it is easy replaceable with an aftermarket unit (Pioneer, Kenwood, JVC, etc) which will give you a bigger screen and all the latest features.
Definitely appreciate these videos even more so now. Thank you!
Thank you!
This is a great video for people that know nothing about off road driving. The trail is a joke to everyone else with just a couple of months experience. You don't need lockers for that mild trail. The Nissan could have cleared the moderate part where the tree was with a better set of tires. You guys are always fun to watch for a good laugh! Thanks Heckle and Jeckle. Oh and Razor Rocks...REALLY! LOL!!! I ran trails way worse than this with my first jeep stock, no lockers, and Good Year Duratracs.
My bone stock 13 Pro-4x would've walked right up that. It's hilarious what these guys call "off-roading"
Please Keep it apples to apples, and compare a Gladiator that’s close to the same price as the Frontier. Not all of us can afford the Rubicon.
Exactly, but they would be more similarly equipped and it would be much harder to justify getting the jeep over the frontier without the sway bar disconnect, diff lockers, amd tires of the Rubicon. Now you have a truck with a terrible break over angle because of having the wheelbase of a bus that now has a worse break over angle since it rides lower than the Rubicon. Not to me tion price difference.
It wouldn't hold a candle to anything in the same price range. Could you imagine a gladiator vs a raptor?
@@aurias01 I'd be interested to see a Ranger Raptor vs the gladiator. I give the nod to the Ranger
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix a comparison isnt really a comparison unless you compare 2 different things, frontier vs gladiator is just as valid as gladiator vs zr2 and tbh 90% of gladiators and zr2s wont see the rocks the frontier probably will because its a tried and true work truck and many people who buy it offroad it daily to their work site or on their farm
55K for a jeep in this kind of economy? You better be ready to file for bankruptcy.
Do I see a face off coming Between Jeep Gladiator and Colorado ZR2
Up here on Canada's East Coast, you can buy a super-low mileage 2019 Pro4x with leather, nav. sunroof and the superior Rockfort Fosgate stereo for less than half the price of a 2020 Rubicon Gladiator. Guess I'll be buying that like-new Pro4x and investing in beaten-down stocks with the money I'll save. Seems like the better investment.
Look, guys, I do love your videos and these mismatch videos are always fun but come on. The Nissan is not in any way all new. Yes, it has what will be the future engine and transmission but literally everything else on the truck is 15 years old. And seriously, no one is cross-shopping a Gladiator Rubicon and a Frontier, even if it is the Pro4x. I'm not a Jeep guy but I have great respect for the factory capabilities and let's face it, nothing on the market matches the Rubicon series products for factory offroad capability. So anyone considering going hardcore off roading without doing any mods ( no one) has only one choice. The others who buy Jeep are just poseurs who dig the aura and cool factor Jeep products offer. Which is why they can get away with selling a product like the Wrangler and Gladiator for the prices these vehicles command to people who will never get them dirty. People buying the Nissan are usually looking for a hardworking, reliable truck that gets the job done. And these little trucks do just that. They are more than capable enough to get ninety nine percent of owners anywhere they are actually willing to risk their truck. The Pro4x will get you a bit further down the trail but that's not why most people buy them. Again, there's a little poseur factor in any beefy looking four wheel drive plus the Pro4x package does get you a lot of goodies for the money above the other trim levels.
Now, after seeing this line mentioned in a trillion (yes, exaggerating) videos please understand that the only people who even mention "hard plastics", much less complain about them, are auto reviewers and people who don't intended to get their trucks dirty. Real people don't care. Yes, they notice but it's not a big deal. Especially when the price starts escalating.
And while I'm whining let me ask. What the hell is the deal with the fake longing for manual transmissions? I ask that because on every car review channel the hosts act like their mother just died when they find that another brand has eliminated the manual option on one of their cars. But somehow they themselves virtually never have a manual trans equipped version of any of their test vehicles even when it's an option AND they purchased the vehicle themselves so they could have transferred or ordered it in even if one wasn't immediately available on a local dealer lot. You guys made special mention that the Nissan isn't available with a manual and acted like that was a fault but you bought an automatic Gladiator Rubicon when you could have had the manual. Look, manufacturers don't provide options that people CLAIM to desire because in the real world not enough people actually buy what they claim to desire. Manual transmissions chief among those pretend desires. I'm not just singling out TFL. Almost every car or truck channel bemoans the lack of manuals and then has a fleet of personal and review rigs that offered a manual that they didn't buy or request when they had the option to do so. Put your money where your mouth is or stop with the "I wish it had a manual", B.S.
I just bought a 2019 Nissan Frontier SV 4x4. I'm glad I did!
I have the 2012 Nissan Xterra PRO 4X and love mine. I would go with this Frontier if I were to get a new off-roader. Jeeps, well not my cup of tea
I'd love to see the diesel Colorado ZR2 vs the diesel Gladiator when it comes out. Towing mpg, Ike gauntlet, off-road, and unladen mpg loop! Keep up the good work guys and stay safe with this whole covid19 pandemic going on.
I'll take Frontier any day !(reliability)
Not even close. Frontier for sure.
Seriously 15 year if dialing it in and proven reliability.
I really like jeeps, but I have already owned 4 Cherokee's and a pretty built Rubicon that was on 39s. that I have had over the years. I really like the look of the frontier pro-4x. I used to have a nissan titan and it was a great truck! I recently decided Im Gonna buy a Nissan Frontier Pro-4x in the next month or so. I have a ton of plans for it between suspension, full custom stereo, bed rack, roof tent, etc. I'm pretty excited to get going on it! Been wanting a new project for a while!
“The gladiator is the only truck in the whole market with a sway bar disconnect”
Ram Power Wagon: Am I a joke to you?
Greyson Blanchette Did you watch a different video? He mentioned the Power Wagon.
Electronic disconnects...just one more thing that will fail/break and expensive to fix. Better off to just get manual disconnects.
"mid size" market
It's hard to beat that Rubicon in any guise, but it would have been interesting to know how a similarly priced and equipped Gladiator would have done.
This was supposed to be Gladiator versus Frontier, and it actually just ended up being an advertisement for how badass the Rubicon package is for an extra $20,000 over the pro4x.
I agree completely with Tommy. The only thing the gladiator & jl could use is more leg room. I'd love for the seat to move back a couple more inches....oh and a better price tag. 🙂
Funny thing is the Porsche 911 and G-Wagon are evolutionary vehicles and no one complains about that. Granted the Frontier literally hasn't changed much, but it works, so why fix it? I think people are just too impressed by gimmicks vs reliability and effectiveness.
The razor rock section looks like a ‘road’, I drove on in Hawaii. Did it with a regular rental car (not supposed to) and was scared to death. Think I averaged .1 mph 😉
It looks like the road I use to get to the trail in my Jeep. I don't understand why they can't drive up that
The frontier is such a great value and as mentioned you don’t sacrifice that much really. Plus I’d rather start cheap and build exactly what I want. Although as a platform to build on I don’t think the jeep can be beat. But vs the tacoma trd pro/zr2 you aren’t losing much at all and save so much.
as much as a value the Frontier is that interior is what kills it for me. If its my daily driver sitting in that trucks interior day in and day out and not having some of the basic features that other midsize offer stock or even at the same price as the frontier i just couldnt do it. Also Most of the Nissans new engines designs usually have a problem in the first year or two so id wait till i knew the new engine had no reliability issues. I feel the ranger is prolly the better midsize Truck on the market ATM for the class.
The interior is rough, but I do appreciate the simplicity of the Frontier. No need for blind spot detection. When you look at the side view mirrors you can't miss a thing. But it's just ancient, as oft repeated
How basic? It offers heated seats, navigation, leather, Rockford Fosgate sound system, power everything, what basic features is it really missing?
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix The screen is so bad resolution as is the back up camera. Has no Trail modes like the Ranger does. Apple car play and or android auto. Its just so outdated in the interior .
@@09blackcobaltss who needs trail modes? Such gimmickry for people who cant drive. I dont seem to have an issue with the camera on the one o drove. I dont need 1080p full HD to avoid hitting something while backing up. Android auto is a complete waste. Can't use anything on the phone except google maps. Can't my poweramp audio player, nothing. Its worthless unless you just have to have your Google maps on the screen. Cant speak on apple car play because I don't own an apple product. And they new one does offer android auto and apple car play. Point is it has the basics. You want a luxury car, buy one.sure the interior is outdated, but so what, that's strictly a styling preference. My 03 Discovery interior is outdated but it's nice. It doesn't even have a backup camera, or any of the other features the frontier has. It has leather, heated seats, power windows and locks and dual zone climate control, that's about it, and I'm perfectly fine with it. It doesnt have trail mode and it will still mop the floor with most vehicles that do have it. Its outdated suv and I still like it better than most newer vehicles. I could care less about camera resolution, android auto/apple car play or how "new looking" the interior is. I care if its comfortable and functional. I like the bare bones basic interior and lack of tech overload. The screen is plenty big enough for me, the camera is just fine.
It would appear that the expensive bits that make the jeep more expensive also make it slightly better off-road. They do love the rubicon don’t they.