Did Bronco Buster change my mind about the tie rod?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Bronco Super Celebration has vendors from all over the country. Today Dave was able to meet the @BroncBustertx "Tyler" and wanted to hear in person why the tie rod kit is the fix for the Ford Bronco. Does this product really solve the broken tie rods? Join in as Tyler offers a detailed proof of concept with the bronc buster tie rod brace. Also we see how the bronc bushing was developed and how it solves the steering rack problems in your new ford bronco
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Tyler is a great guy, he’s definitely an asset for us new Gen6 Bronco owners.
so simple but man he solved it! I used to think he was an idiot with 40 inch tires and water in his tires breaking his whole bronco doing simple obstacles. but after seeing him design these A1 products and not break the bronco (much) anymore, he was just ahead of his time!!
$350 for a delrin insert and snap ring is pure insanity. People buying Broncos have WAY too much money to blow.
Because Jeep owners never spend any money on upgrades.
I hope he reads these comments. The bushing at $100 he would be absolutely crushing. At his current pricing it’s absurd
The tie rod splint again way over priced. And I have already seen a sleeve that is $50 that pretty much does the same thing
Quit being a cheap ass, go buy a jeep. This guy has a small shop in his garage. Support someone actually in the community.
Agreed. He's obviously pricing them against the cost of new tie rods, which.. While somewhat understandable, isn't cool. The price at 350 dollars for that piece of plastic is costing them more in sales than if he made them cheaper and sold more.
As you say. Everyone would buy them at 75-100 dollars. At 350.. Gah.
The washer to save the faucet can't cost the same as a brand new faucet, even if it saves some time - especially at this end of the market where people are aware of the costs on things and do it themselves.
The sleeve has some bling factor to it, and we can take that on board.. The plastic spacer? That they needed to create because the brace moved the failure point to the steering rack? No.
Okay, I finally broke down and ordered the tei rod upgrade. I don't have a lift, but may get slightly larger tires, I do take it for serious off roading, so that extra insurance will hopefully be good. Also him saying they will not break based on all the crazy stuff he does, does make me feel good about the purchase. Soounds like I don't need the bushings with no lift though. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching
I have seen the stock bushings worn down stock, no lift. It's a cheap ABS plastic ring that shouldn't have been used on an offroad vehicle.
This is the best explanation I have seen so far! Thank you!
Thanks! We let Tyler know we were not convinced and he took the time and as you see in the video did a great job explaining why
@@AllTerrainNation oh yea for sure! He knows his stuff
I'm going to wait this one out and see who comes up with the best products and whoever brings the price down.
Really appreciate the in depth, and candid, review and explanation.
He's got good, well built stuff. They are a little spendy but i also know prices of materials has gone way up lately. I think i'm going to do the bushing for sure and then wait to do the broncbusters for if i plan any offroad trips down the road(which i'd like to do)
Might go ahead with the BroncoBuster now, but might wait for the bushing until I lift mine.
Great video, might have to get both products. Got to get the Bronco first though 😊 thanks
RPG sells tie rods for the bronco btw. If I was worried about the tie rod not holding up I’d either buy those or get the beefier steering rack from Ford (much more $$)
This, I’d just get rpgs billet tie rods!
Interesting I've seen guys with moderate lifts on 4runners beating the crap out of them without these problems..
It is a weakness on bronco for sure
Like Most of the comments, seems like he solve the problem, the machine bracket no problem paying that price and yes the plastic bushing is a little overboard,
I'm sold!
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Good products, but the steering rack bushing seems a little pricey. Have no doubt that they solve the problem, so well done, and to the victor (aka first to market) go the spoils.
I agree.. it’s a pricey for sure but price out the rack vs
@@AllTerrainNation yes, I agree, but a Delrin bushing (or any Acetal/Polyoxymethylene (POM) bushing) should not cost that much. It won't be long before this is reversed engineered, hopefully Ford will buy the rights, retrofit all Broncos, and reward Bronc Buster for his efforts.
@@mpeugeot what you don't see with that bushing is the machining done on it. It's not just a round bushing, it has a lobe on it that fills a void in tht rack. It's pricey but there's some work there. Also comes with a driver tool and other pieces.
@@somewhereinWYO They're small enough to be injection molded to that same exact shape/tolerance. 3-axis machining is entirely unnecessary.
@@mpeugeot upgraded aluminum and delrin bushings are not new, and will require no rights to make. It's a bushing. Google steering rack bushings. This guys is preying on inexperienced mechanics to believe he's invented and fixed something. It's nonsense.
Many manufacturers make them for the Bronco already. There's no legal quarrel in doing so. It's a normal piece of kit that you can buy for multitudes of trucks.
Tie rod braces are NOT new. Rack bushing replacements and spacers to fill sloppy ends are NOT new.
They also only break when you remove the intentional failure point of the tie rods, that only now aren't strong enough because you put insanity tires on the truck.
You can chase this failure point with upgrade forever, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's fun. What I have a problem with is the price point here, and the angle that's being peddled.
And honestly, those braces look ridiculous.
Good parts, too expensive for the average guy. If I were to buy the tie rod brace and the Delron bushing, it would cost close to $700. That’s harsh.
Agreed
yup slap a big set of tires on and go blasting through the woods and rocks something is gonna break not rocket science ! people need to stop slamming Ford for this just mounting a big set of gumbo tires on a vehicle adds more stress to steering and suspension components ANYONE who does any serious off roading knows this it's not a manufacturers flaw it doesn't matter if those tie rods were made out of Kryptonite hitting something hard at a sharp angle it's gonna break give the aftermarket some time they'll figure it out
Thanks Dave for a very informative video!
I am one of those nervous types waiting on my Bronco to get into offroading and wondering if I'm going to break it. I'm also pretty rusty when it comes to mechanical work on cars, as my current modern cars don't even have what look like motors to me. Can you say how difficult it is to install and what kind of tools it takes?
The broc busters are super easy! The rack bushing isn’t hard but will take a few minutes..
@@AllTerrainNation It was the bushing that concerned me; the bronc busters look like a couple bolts will do it!
This changed my mind. Nice job!
Us as well... Tyler is a really nice guy that took the time to explain how the parts are failing. I let him know before the walk through that I wasnt convinced and well.. he may have changed our mind
Lol look at lite brites channel. This kit still bent easily on the trail almost immediately
Because it seems like the people that are breaking them are rock crawlers !
Makes sense...
Hope this helps others decide
Great info.
Thanks for watching!
Pretty sure non lifted ones are breaking them too. Ford should of known better
TYLER GREAT FIX AND DESIGN OF YOUR PRODUCTS 👍🗽🇺🇸🗽
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Ford needs to fix this problem. It’s insane that Jeep doesn’t have this issue
Jeep is running a completely different setup though
@@AllTerrainNation I was generalizing. It is not the responsibility of the consumer to fix an engineering problem.
Run portals. Takes care of lift and gearing without sacrificing ride and suspension geometry.
I’ll pass on portals but it is an option
Really cool setup, but for the price of those, I’d just buy a whole new beefier tie rod
The JKS Tie-rod Sleeve is $60 and does the same thing. BroncBuster prices are absurd.
The thing is we haven't seen it in action lifted on 40s. For 60 bucks though I guess it's not too bad to give it a try.
@@Reecesavage-Alwayswin I just installed the JKS sleeve today $49 bucks before shipping. It's cold rolled 1215 Steel, far stronger than AL6061.
@@sean9267 the JKS one is too short.
@@5ohJ I don't believe so. Majority of broken tie-rods I've seen snap exactly at the connection between the lower and upper tie-rod. The steel JKS sleeve significantly beefs up this point. Sleeves like this have been around for a while for other IFS vehicles. If the $50 JKS steel sleeve does exactly what the $400 Broncbuster aluminum clamp does, that's a win in my book. I'd be interested to see what the FEA says.
He clearly said there's no breakage on stock setups. Its the lifts that are breaking. Do the lift correctly and keep the tie rod at the correct angle and you should not need these enhancements. Isn't that right?
The Toe rods are a weak point.. Larger tires 37+ add a lot of stress to them but for normal use the stock Sasquatch setup is fine.
Is the Bronco Buster needed on a stock Badlands Sasquatch?
@bronc buster said it wouldnt be needed for light use and no lift. Once you start changing the angles with lift it will add a little more pressure to the current tie rods. Tyler thinks the larger issue is the spacer to the rack.. He said start there 1st
@@AllTerrainNation Thank you!
When you need an alignment, do you have to take the Broncbuster off?
Yes it would need to come off
Gosh these comments are cancer must be a bunch of newbs and jeepers. Bronc has made a great product to fix ford's poor design.
Delrin be expensive these days.
Seems like the removal of the intentional breaking point is what caused the steering rack failure to require the bushing. They literally calculate those tie rods to that size, to break before other parts do, and in removing it you push the failure point to other parts.. To hear these guys selling another band aid to fix what the new problem is that they created is not only nothing new, but is a little salesman like..
The addition of beefed up tie rods or braces, followed by then beefing the steering rack is a normal upgrade path for anything off-road. What isn't normal here, is their price.
The other choice is to simply not try to improve on something that isn't a flaw. It's intended. Tie rods are cheap and a trail fix. That's why off-roaders carry spares.
Again, this is an outrageous mark up, and I've noticed nearly all the Bronco youtube guys all pushing this same upgrade, with the same upgrade talk from the same guy.
For the consumer though, the price on that piece of delrin is insane. There's other steering racks that sell delrin/aluminum/whatever bushing replacements for 20-50 dollars. Try googling 'steering rack bushing replacement' to see the myriad options and upgrades for offroading in particular and note the prices.
They're asking 350 dollars for this one? Come on.
I agree that Tie Rods are the cheaper option for sure. The factory tie rods do leave a little to be desired though. As I mentioned in the interview I was not sold on the splint for bronco. Im not here to sell you on this product or not.. We wanted to talk with them and see if the product was good or not.
@@AllTerrainNation I hear you.
I appreciate the integrity.
The wordy parts are out of sync with the talky bits.
Oops! Very bad cell service here
Isn't the actual solution to move the rack so that it's properly aligned? That's one thing that is missing, is why aren't we talking about moving the rack? Is it just a question of complexity vs this fix. Or is it even not something possible without significant modifications?
As to people calling out the cost of the product, we are a nation of people that expect low prices achieved from many things that take opportunity outside of the USA. Quality products made in America, particularly small-batch items like this, are expensive to bring to market. You can't make a business out of 10% profit, so figure at least 50% profit in the part, and you see the price you see here.
From what I gathered They think the rack has a slight play in it which the spacer helps clear up
Does anyone know if they are the same tie rods as the ranger raptor?
They are not
Portal axles would solve the cv issue.
And add a ton of weight lol
Ok being for real how much do I really need this for over landing ?
I guess it depends on where you plan on exploring really.. I alway prepare for the unexpected. You could always keep an extra set of tie rods with you too
@@AllTerrainNation that’s fair ! Also love y’all’s videos
@@andrewcook8846 thank you for the kind words
When you guys say, “not needed for stock” does that include the Sasquatch package? If I don’t lift my Sasquatch and stick with 35s do I need these?
According to Bronc buster the factory specs are fine.. if you start adding lift it’s changing the angles and causing extra stress.. He also mentioned unless you are doing medium to harder trails it’s more than likely ok with out it.
I thought there was a Wednesday live, no?
Nope.. Monday and Tuesday
Take a look at how it's spelled and how Tyler always says it. BroncBuster, not BroncoBuster.
Yeah I caught that lol oops
The weak link is the tie rods the rack is rated with the tie rods if you strengthen the tie rods what’s the weak link now ? Your right the rack itself! Broncos are junk plain and simple but you got GOAT mode ! Get Out And Tow !😂
Broncos are not junk lol..