Definitely weaker with the regular Broncos...not an issue at all with the Braptor which has much stronger tie rods and steering components. But his point about using front lockers in the wrong spot is valid and not many other vehicles with IFS have front lockers....Bigger point buy a Braptor lol
My coworker folded the tie rod on his Bronco pulling into our parking lot at work the second week he had it. The Braptor has different steering gear than the normal models, saying you have no issues with yours means nothing to everyone else who doesn't have a braptor.
Sooo he broke a tiered pulling into a parking lot. So is this parking lot in the middle of poison spider? I’m going to call BS on this. I have had my Badlands since 21, been on numerous obstacles and trails and lol I’m still intact. I dam sure never broke a tie rod on ANY vehicle pulling into a parking lot. Stop it.
I call bs I have 2 bronco I wheel my base bronco hard er the most. My base bronco is my play toy. No lift and a true 35 in tire no lockers . I bet my old Kia shortage on 30s seen more aire time then most raptor back in the day .
Matt, love ya man. But you and I both know the tie rod and steering rack on the broncos are a huge weak point. Seen them break on the smallest of obstacles. Also, no clue why Jeep guys even give a shit about comparing broncos, they’re two different vehicles with two different purposes.
I don't think it's a catch-all though. This video simply states that weak tie rods and bad driving aren't mutually exclusive. Both can be the case, but only one is taking all the blame.
So your reasoning is that you shouldn't use the front locker,? So what's the point of having it? And bouncing may happen and break your tie rods without giving you an opportunity to back off. And large scrub radius is a problem for solid axle rigs as well as IFS rigs (as well as bouncing). Fact is that the tie rods break way too often for broncos and there's aftermarket solutions for that. This video is misleading. Looks like it's made more to stir a storm in a teacup for the Jeep vs bronco argument.
You know what rovers and g wagons can do. Full size trucks,4 runners, FJ cruiser, etc. Many of these never got any stereotypes of weak tie rods.... Use as advertised+underdeveloped design=breakage
They also don’t come with a front locker or 35’s, and most who do those mods already have some off road driving experience, and thus, are less likely to drive in a manner that breaks parts. That’s the impetus of this video.
The videos you show, claiming the driver was turning, which broke them, didn’t break any of those. They simply broke, because they’re weak. The bouncing you show is so minimal and the tie rods immediately broke. These tie rods have been breaking, since before the release of these these vehicles to the public. When I looked at how small they were, it was no wonder to me why they break. You denying they’re weak is as bad as if Ford’s engineering department is telling management it’s not their fault. It’s an inadequate design. I’m waiting to hear the recall.
Great info. It is just like with racing. Whether you Drag or Road, driving skill is the most important part of the activity. The same goes for Off-Roading. I have seen a lot of people with built RIGS break them because they simply do not know how to drive them for what they are doing.
Well the Chevy zr2 isn't having as many problems with tie rods........ sooooo really they are just weak.... can't use front locker made me laugh so hard! Serious dude? Hahahaha😂
Ha, you're talking about a Chevy for off-roading? Seriously, since when was Chevy known to make an decent with plenty of aftermarket support like the legendary Broncos and Wranglers. Get your head out of the sand
@husker_nation a Ford off roading is a bad joke that shouldn't be as funny as it is hahahahaha... a wrangler is the way to go I just mentioned the zr2 because it has IFS front suspension and it hasn't broke like ford's have.....
@@willrector9716 The Wranglers are better at rock crawling, which is a minute people who do that extreme stuff. The IFS fails when people don't know how to off-road, when they modify the Bronco without thinking about everything else they have to modify. If you off-road the way the engineers intended, then one wouldn't have as many problems.
FYI the Bronco Raptor and Wild Track have the hoss 3.0 system now. In fact on all sasquatch package broncos FORD has now included the Hoss 3.0 steering system. Oh and the 4 people I know that broke tie rods while off-roading didn't have the locker engaged. The entire rack is the problem. 74 welds version fixes the problem. But hey everyone have there own thoughts on this subject.
It’s not hard to conclude the actual problem is manufacturer error. They’ll be forced to recall them after so many failures. Big tires will bend the inner tie rod or link between them before they cause active rod to break, old bronco 2’s didn’t have a problem and even the exploder series survived with bigger tires.
This is just a 13 minute excuse for why the bronco can't do what it was designed to do. When in reality the only reason is that ford made the steering components too small for what everyone knew bronco owners were going to do with them. Which is put bigger tires and wheels on them, and use their lockers off road to prove how they are just as capable as a Jeep. Funny how we don't see Chevy ZR2 Tie rods folding up since it has IFS and a locker, even tho full size Chevy tie rods always fold up at truck pulls. It's almost as if Chevy learned something, or are ZR2 drivers just much smarter than bronco owners? For the record I am a Jeep owner. I have less than $15k in it, and recovery stuck broncos with it every weekend.
I'm glad you went there. It takes a SIX INCH LIFT and 0 offset wheel just to fit a 35" tire on a ZR2. Square wheel wells were another one of Chevy's bright ideas. And not too many of those running around the trails...in fact, I've personally never seen one in anything remotely considered as a rock-crawling trail.
Maybe Chevy figured out that bigger isn't always better. If you don't understand this ask your mom. She'll tell you that being bigger doesn't mean the most capable. In my opinion you're much better off having smaller tires on your not broke down trail rig , than bigger tires on your broke down trail rig. Square wheel wells? Really? Only a bronco fan boy can be stupid enough to bring up wheel wells when broncos are one of the ugliest vehicles to ever roll off a showroom floor. The fender flares look like an afterthought, like something a 17 yr old ricer got off the clearance isle at pep Boys. You've never seen a ZR2 on the rocks? Maybe if your rig was more capable you could get to the difficult part of the trail where they hang out. I've never seen a bronco accomplish a difficult obstacle without breaking something, so I guess we're kind of even there...
@peaksuspension9529 Sure they do... I just Googled ZR2 broken tie rod end and came up with ZERO results. I found ONE on youtube. I switched ZR2 with Bronco and dozens of results popped up.
We make tie rods for the ZR2, every generation as well as own both. We have been doing this since 2017. We still haven't broken our tie rods on our Bronco and have taken it everywhere@@bdd1469
Your basing your conclusion that the Bronco tie rod failures are from driver error based on data that you collected driving a Raptor with completely upgraded steering components? Nice work
Do not agree that driving habits an excuse for design flaw. Yet, I wonder if people who say ‘don’t buy Bronco’ or ‘my Tacoma with 200K laughing…’ are getting paid by Stellantis, Toyota etc.. or being under pressure to buy Bronco?
When I left Tomball, Texas a year ago there were over 10 Ford Bronco's on the KIA dealers used lot. When I heard about the new Bronco engines failing it all made sense, $70,000 vehicle D.O.A. 2023 Ford was the most recalled vehicle on the road.
Lol.. it's funny everyone mentions engines blowing up on the bronco, it was bad rods on a batch, it hasn't been a thing in a while.. recall on ford or the bronco? Get your facts straight and stop spewing bs on the internet..
Here is a suggestion…you only get known for weak tie rods BY HAVING WEAK TIE RODS. Blaming it on driver error is an excuse making endeavor. I’m not a Bronco hater, just build a quality offroad vehicle if you are going to market it as a “Jeep Killer”. Just please….
The bronco was made for 35s and 2 to 3 inchs of lift . Sas models 2 in and the base shock is 3 inches. Both of my broncos have 35s one is a base and the other is a black diamond. Both have no lift. Most of the time its driver s using lockers at the wrong time. The biggest problem is that they leave it in drive and not put it in first. I use the hell out of my crawl gear when out on the trails. The a trac system will fugue it out and just crawl . To you jeep guys i broke many of them over the past 35 years
Had a 91 Bronco XLT, drove it all over the back roads of Tahoe. Pulled 18 wheelers out of burms. If i had to chain up, wasn't going. Studded snows worked great in the snow. Mind was manual lock. Drove the rear end out of it. Had it till it started idealing at 35 miles an hour. About ten years or so. Damn i miss that thing. So much fun. Ford backwards is Driver returns on foot First on race day F**k over rebuilt Dodge, heard them all. Give me a Bronco any day..
Sorry bud, your incoherent ramblings have no value and are just a simple attempt to justify your purchase while thinking “Ford why didn’t you give it a solid axle?”.
I own Bronco and do agree that driving habits are not an excuse for design flaw. Yet, it make me laugh when people saying ‘you need solid axle’. Owned H1 for entire decade. Independent suspension all around. Knew number of guys with the same truck. Don’t recall broken tie rods.
I own a 2020 jeep gladiator and a 2024 ford raptor bronco i think there 2 great trucks they both have different purposes don’t be a hatter jeep guys lol
I happen to be selling a bridge...it overlooks a beautiful ocean bay in Arizona. I need to unload it fast, NY Nigerian friend needs surgery. I was thinking that since you are such a suckered because of that comment you made in this post I could get a few thousand dollars off you....what do you think? Do we have a deal?
Just leave the Bronco at home and 4 wheel in a JEEP or you could just use GOAT mode GetOutAndTow when those cheesy tie rods break FORD owners always have to make excuses for inferior vehicles . Remember the PINTO 😅
@@zrvpvo8789 I'm too smart to do so... also, watch the videos of crash testing on that thing, it squashes like a tin can at 30 mph it's a death trap... so stay away from it, oh yeah , your welcome smart ass
Well that's some bulshit statement you made okay those people who buy the Jeeps now they buy them to drive around in the suburbs or to the market but the hardcore gestures from the 1970s and the 80s had them off-road more than you could possibly think and even into 1990 the Jeep and the Land Rover and the range Rover have a military history the bronco does not hey I'm a Ford guy and I like Jeep and Land Rover range Rover and even the new import from Mercedes I believe that have portal axles it could be a very poor quality
I own a 2020 jeep gladiator and a 2024 ford raptor bronco i think there 2 great trucks they both have different purposes don’t be a hatter jeep guys lol
Plenty of other off road vehicles with IFS don’t have this issue. So it’s def the weak tie rods
Definitely weaker with the regular Broncos...not an issue at all with the Braptor which has much stronger tie rods and steering components. But his point about using front lockers in the wrong spot is valid and not many other vehicles with IFS have front lockers....Bigger point buy a Braptor lol
My coworker folded the tie rod on his Bronco pulling into our parking lot at work the second week he had it. The Braptor has different steering gear than the normal models, saying you have no issues with yours means nothing to everyone else who doesn't have a braptor.
Exactly
Sooo he broke a tiered pulling into a parking lot. So is this parking lot in the middle of poison spider? I’m going to call BS on this. I have had my Badlands since 21, been on numerous obstacles and trails and lol I’m still intact. I dam sure never broke a tie rod on ANY vehicle pulling into a parking lot. Stop it.
I call bs I have 2 bronco I wheel my base bronco hard er the most. My base bronco is my play toy. No lift and a true 35 in tire no lockers . I bet my old Kia shortage on 30s seen more aire time then most raptor back in the day .
Hmmmm sounds like a lot of evidence trying to disprove something, that actually proves what you are trying to say isn't true.
This opening statement was the most gaslighting he has had to do since he tried to convince his significant other that he isn't lying.
If its driver error than ive got a bridge to sell you. Just buy a jeep. They even make aftermarket parts to beef them up.
No thank you. I like my spine in tact.
Weak tie rod and a weak steering rack
Red Neck please read a book
This video demonstrates the reason why I bought a 2024 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Extreme Recon.
I have the original 2017 recon. It’s amazing. Only 7500 of them made
IFS rigs are not designed for rock crawling. So yes you can say that it is driver error causing steering failure. Use the correct tool for the job.
Don’t tell that to the 4400 class Ultra4 drivers out there winning KOH with IFS
Matt, love ya man. But you and I both know the tie rod and steering rack on the broncos are a huge weak point. Seen them break on the smallest of obstacles. Also, no clue why Jeep guys even give a shit about comparing broncos, they’re two different vehicles with two different purposes.
I don't think it's a catch-all though. This video simply states that weak tie rods and bad driving aren't mutually exclusive. Both can be the case, but only one is taking all the blame.
So your reasoning is that you shouldn't use the front locker,? So what's the point of having it? And bouncing may happen and break your tie rods without giving you an opportunity to back off. And large scrub radius is a problem for solid axle rigs as well as IFS rigs (as well as bouncing). Fact is that the tie rods break way too often for broncos and there's aftermarket solutions for that. This video is misleading. Looks like it's made more to stir a storm in a teacup for the Jeep vs bronco argument.
It’s not misleading if you actually watched the entire video and didn’t have selective hearing.
Rear upper control arm mounts are now tearing. Check yours out before it’s too late.
You know what rovers and g wagons can do. Full size trucks,4 runners, FJ cruiser, etc.
Many of these never got any stereotypes of weak tie rods....
Use as advertised+underdeveloped design=breakage
They also don’t come with a front locker or 35’s, and most who do those mods already have some off road driving experience, and thus, are less likely to drive in a manner that breaks parts. That’s the impetus of this video.
Reminds me of all the Hummer H2's snapping tie rods like crazy back in the 2000s.
My Tacoma with 120k just laughed out loud
The videos you show, claiming the driver was turning, which broke them, didn’t break any of those. They simply broke, because they’re weak. The bouncing you show is so minimal and the tie rods immediately broke. These tie rods have been breaking, since before the release of these these vehicles to the public. When I looked at how small they were, it was no wonder to me why they break. You denying they’re weak is as bad as if Ford’s engineering department is telling management it’s not their fault. It’s an inadequate design. I’m waiting to hear the recall.
“Am I so out of touch? No, it’s the drivers who are wrong”
The fact that Ford has been adding stronger steering components moving forward in the Bronco kind disproves your point.
Great info. It is just like with racing. Whether you Drag or Road, driving skill is the most important part of the activity. The same goes for Off-Roading. I have seen a lot of people with built RIGS break them because they simply do not know how to drive them for what they are doing.
Ford have a history of crappy steering parts
Your absolutely right it’s driver error for driving the wrong vehicle ! 😂
Long story short, not all vehicles are created equally. This video shows up as an ad as well, enough said.
Well the Chevy zr2 isn't having as many problems with tie rods........ sooooo really they are just weak.... can't use front locker made me laugh so hard! Serious dude? Hahahaha😂
Ha, you're talking about a Chevy for off-roading? Seriously, since when was Chevy known to make an decent with plenty of aftermarket support like the legendary Broncos and Wranglers. Get your head out of the sand
@husker_nation a Ford off roading is a bad joke that shouldn't be as funny as it is hahahahaha... a wrangler is the way to go I just mentioned the zr2 because it has IFS front suspension and it hasn't broke like ford's have.....
@@willrector9716 The Wranglers are better at rock crawling, which is a minute people who do that extreme stuff. The IFS fails when people don't know how to off-road, when they modify the Bronco without thinking about everything else they have to modify. If you off-road the way the engineers intended, then one wouldn't have as many problems.
@husker_nation like I said I compared the zr2..... enough said....
Can’t it be both? I’ll watch the video now lol.
This is why i have an open differential on my front and a rear locker on the back.
FYI the Bronco Raptor and Wild Track have the hoss 3.0 system now. In fact on all sasquatch package broncos FORD has now included the Hoss 3.0 steering system. Oh and the 4 people I know that broke tie rods while off-roading didn't have the locker engaged. The entire rack is the problem. 74 welds version fixes the problem. But hey everyone have there own thoughts on this subject.
Great video! Broncos are eh lame! 👍
Def the tie rods. Nothing to be embarrassed about. There are fixes for the design flaw.
Excellent explanation thank you.
Very good information. You're 💯 correct.
Oof my man the real problem is that it's not a Toyota
Ha ha ha it's the consumer fault not the junk we are selling 😂
It’s not hard to conclude the actual problem is manufacturer error. They’ll be forced to recall them after so many failures. Big tires will bend the inner tie rod or link between them before they cause active rod to break, old bronco 2’s didn’t have a problem and even the exploder series survived with bigger tires.
What side vents do you have on your fenders
This is just a 13 minute excuse for why the bronco can't do what it was designed to do. When in reality the only reason is that ford made the steering components too small for what everyone knew bronco owners were going to do with them. Which is put bigger tires and wheels on them, and use their lockers off road to prove how they are just as capable as a Jeep. Funny how we don't see Chevy ZR2 Tie rods folding up since it has IFS and a locker, even tho full size Chevy tie rods always fold up at truck pulls. It's almost as if Chevy learned something, or are ZR2 drivers just much smarter than bronco owners? For the record I am a Jeep owner. I have less than $15k in it, and recovery stuck broncos with it every weekend.
I'm glad you went there. It takes a SIX INCH LIFT and 0 offset wheel just to fit a 35" tire on a ZR2. Square wheel wells were another one of Chevy's bright ideas. And not too many of those running around the trails...in fact, I've personally never seen one in anything remotely considered as a rock-crawling trail.
Maybe Chevy figured out that bigger isn't always better. If you don't understand this ask your mom. She'll tell you that being bigger doesn't mean the most capable. In my opinion you're much better off having smaller tires on your not broke down trail rig , than bigger tires on your broke down trail rig. Square wheel wells? Really? Only a bronco fan boy can be stupid enough to bring up wheel wells when broncos are one of the ugliest vehicles to ever roll off a showroom floor. The fender flares look like an afterthought, like something a 17 yr old ricer got off the clearance isle at pep Boys.
You've never seen a ZR2 on the rocks? Maybe if your rig was more capable you could get to the difficult part of the trail where they hang out. I've never seen a bronco accomplish a difficult obstacle without breaking something, so I guess we're kind of even there...
ZR2’s break tie rods all the time. It’s not nearly as frequent it seems, but in the beginning it was quite often
@peaksuspension9529 Sure they do... I just Googled ZR2 broken tie rod end and came up with ZERO results. I found ONE on youtube. I switched ZR2 with Bronco and dozens of results popped up.
We make tie rods for the ZR2, every generation as well as own both. We have been doing this since 2017.
We still haven't broken our tie rods on our Bronco and have taken it everywhere@@bdd1469
Your basing your conclusion that the Bronco tie rod failures are from driver error based on data that you collected driving a Raptor with completely upgraded steering components? Nice work
See you at king of the hammers Matt!
Bro didn’t even make it 2 minutes before getting salty af about jeeps 😂
What's the gratification of going over rocks it actually looks stupid
Do not agree that driving habits an excuse for design flaw. Yet, I wonder if people who say ‘don’t buy Bronco’ or ‘my Tacoma with 200K laughing…’ are getting paid by Stellantis, Toyota etc.. or being under pressure to buy Bronco?
I forgot to add that I am also not a hardcore off roader.
When I left Tomball, Texas a year ago there were over 10 Ford Bronco's on the KIA dealers used lot. When I heard about the new Bronco engines failing it all made sense, $70,000 vehicle D.O.A. 2023 Ford was the most recalled vehicle on the road.
Lol.. it's funny everyone mentions engines blowing up on the bronco, it was bad rods on a batch, it hasn't been a thing in a while.. recall on ford or the bronco? Get your facts straight and stop spewing bs on the internet..
Here is a suggestion…you only get known for weak tie rods BY HAVING WEAK TIE RODS. Blaming it on driver error is an excuse making endeavor. I’m not a Bronco hater, just build a quality offroad vehicle if you are going to market it as a “Jeep Killer”. Just please….
The Raptor has a different steering rack than the regular broncos do..... His anecdotes arent applicable.
New bronco could not survive a 70s f150 commercial. I don't think any vehicle today could.
All I kept hearing was Strong Tie Rods, but got to take it slow and gingerly, make sure you have the right line up. Don't give it the beans!!
This dude has definitely seen one up close and liked it
The bronco was made for 35s and 2 to 3 inchs of lift . Sas models 2 in and the base shock is 3 inches. Both of my broncos have 35s one is a base and the other is a black diamond. Both have no lift. Most of the time its driver s using lockers at the wrong time. The biggest problem is that they leave it in drive and not put it in first. I use the hell out of my crawl gear when out on the trails. The a trac system will fugue it out and just crawl . To you jeep guys i broke many of them over the past 35 years
Great, thanks for explaining this.
Had a 91 Bronco XLT, drove it all over the back roads of Tahoe. Pulled 18 wheelers out of burms. If i had to chain up, wasn't going. Studded snows worked great in the snow. Mind was manual lock. Drove the rear end out of it. Had it till it started idealing at 35 miles an hour. About ten years or so. Damn i miss that thing. So much fun.
Ford backwards is Driver returns on foot
First on race day
F**k over rebuilt Dodge, heard them all. Give me a Bronco any day..
Stop buying broncos, or keep them on the streets.97 silverado,296 thousand miles.never broke a tie tod ever.
A: stop buying broncos is the most obvious quick answer
Best way to avoid this, is buying a Jeep. The true off road machines.
It’s a raptor. Apples and oranges.
I did the poison spider trails and devils staircase trails in a stock 2012 Wrangler Sport. 😂
THEY DON'T MAKE VEHICLES LIKE THEY USED
How to stop. Buy something else. Fixed or repaired daily
It’s the driver he should just park it !😅
Jeep beefed up the tie rod over the years.....ford ...well they...you know.
Also you dont lock your hubs on a dry hard surface, push button candy @$$ push button four wheel drive
Week suspension .
It's never the manufacture problem 😂
Don’t buy a Bronco. Your welcome
Its weak tierods..... not driver error.
Don't by a new bronco they are a joke compared to the original bronco.
Not true toyota put them in the land cruiser
Answer: dont buy a Bronco.
Or Ram
Sorry bud, your incoherent ramblings have no value and are just a simple attempt to justify your purchase while thinking “Ford why didn’t you give it a solid axle?”.
I own Bronco and do agree that driving habits are not an excuse for design flaw. Yet, it make me laugh when people saying ‘you need solid axle’. Owned H1 for entire decade. Independent suspension all around. Knew number of guys with the same truck. Don’t recall broken tie rods.
I own a 2020 jeep gladiator and a 2024 ford raptor bronco i think there 2 great trucks they both have different purposes don’t be a hatter jeep guys lol
What if ford used better ones Chevrolet don't have problems jeep don't
Don't make excuses for ford
More dollars than sense.
So many excuses, sounds like a politician
Also would take a toyota over a bronco or jeep any day
Thank you for the accurate information on this topic!
I happen to be selling a bridge...it overlooks a beautiful ocean bay in Arizona. I need to unload it fast, NY Nigerian friend needs surgery.
I was thinking that since you are such a suckered because of that comment you made in this post I could get a few thousand dollars off you....what do you think? Do we have a deal?
Buy a ram
Just leave the Bronco at home and 4 wheel in a JEEP or you could just use GOAT mode GetOutAndTow when those cheesy tie rods break FORD owners always have to make excuses for inferior vehicles . Remember the PINTO 😅
O, was that the reason for class action lawsuit against Chrysler for unsafe handling of 2018-2020 Wranglers and Gladiators?
Sounds like a ford man wining and crying
Don’t buy a Bronco
Easy fix, don't buy Ford
Don't buy a Ford bronco
Or dodge
Boy, That is something l would like to take my wife and kids out in the wilderness in.please get you a old Chevy and drive on.
Sounds like a bunch of bull to me
Hoooolllyyyyyyyy…. How much did Ford pay this guy to make this propaganda? Ugh… 🤦🏻♂️
Sounds like a lot of excuse making.
Get a Nissan!!
Stop getting fords..duh..
Don't buy a ford simple🤕🤡
Buy Toyota
Don’t buy a bronco😂😂😂
I got the answer... buy a Toyota.
Anyone forcing you to buy Bronco?
@@zrvpvo8789 I'm too smart to do so... also, watch the videos of crash testing on that thing, it squashes like a tin can at 30 mph it's a death trap... so stay away from it, oh yeah , your welcome smart ass
😂
Just don't buy that garbage
Stop buying those junk heaps Problem solved
Well that's some bulshit statement you made okay those people who buy the Jeeps now they buy them to drive around in the suburbs or to the market but the hardcore gestures from the 1970s and the 80s had them off-road more than you could possibly think and even into 1990 the Jeep and the Land Rover and the range Rover have a military history the bronco does not hey I'm a Ford guy and I like Jeep and Land Rover range Rover and even the new import from Mercedes I believe that have portal axles it could be a very poor quality
How to stop breaking bronco tie rods?buy a gmc
I own a 2020 jeep gladiator and a 2024 ford raptor bronco i think there 2 great trucks they both have different purposes don’t be a hatter jeep guys lol