Diablo 4 - Chain Lightning Needs An Overhaul AGAIN
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not only chain lighting but the whole damn sorcerer
yes
Cmon Bluzzard give sorcs some love god damn it.
I have played sorc every season and every season I quit half way through and roll rogue…it’s just not fun once you get past mid game
@@zaccochran4025 I think its fun just no where near barb rogue neco and druid
Sorcerer, for me, is the most fun to play, but it’s unfortunately also the weakest for pushing endgame content such as pits or tormented bosses
Somewhat hilarious that they managed to create a chainlightning build with multiple supporting powers and a new unique and it still is way worse than Lightning Spear.
If only the Devs play tested their own game, and not made streamers do it 😂
If only they would fix the fundamental issues raised by streamers and other people testing their game.
@olegdragora2557 Quit gaslighting. Sorcerer is in a crap spot and it has been for a long time. Anytime they buff the class, it's never enough to keep up with other classes. And then you come in here and shit all over his comment. Get lost dude. You're nothing but a gaslighter.
This is part of the core of their issues. Creating 'stuff'', but having no idea how to test or understabd it's value. This goes both ways - absurdly overpowered to overwhelmingly disappointing. This wasn't just any item either - it was a showcase item. I think Blizzard sometimes feels a bit like they don't deserve some of their criticism, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot. They need to grow up and be a proper engineering shop.
My frustration about the state of the Sorc has boiled over - I'm not touching season 5 or the expansion until I see something addressing the class-wide problems of this class.
Lmao boiled over... you know this is just 1 of a million video games, right?
LMFAO play another class and stop crying.
nice to see you taking the moral high ground there. see you in season 5 and the expansion, i know perfectly well you will play it.
This is wxactly the reason devs dont do shit cause of comments like these. Its this posters opinion no reason to shit all over theirpost if u arent gonna add anytbing constructive.@jasonbernard8719
@richardgreen5756 his comment is so emotionally loaded it doesnt come off as helpful criticism. He just sounds like an entitled baby
Lightning Rod Aspect: When there are no additional targets to chain to, Chain Lightning turns into a lightning rod that strikes the single target as many times as it would have chained. Each successive strike on the single target gains 20%[x] increased damage. ✍️
We need this
I was thinking almost the same!
300% dmg to elites when there's only 1 around. (I assume bosses are elites?)
Everything Sorc needs an overhaul. Conjurations need to be competent damage dealers by themselves, Enchantments need 3 slots AND to stop mostly sucking, our defensives need a serious overhaul, our Paragon Board is the worst by FAR and also needs an overhaul, conditional crap has got to go, we need multiplicatives instead of addictive, Ice Armor needs to generate barrier on its own and so on.
The new necro dagger is DOA too. Such a cool effect that does nothing.
Druid staff as well.
At this point, I don’t even want them to try and fix the sorcerer, because they’ll probably just accidentally somehow buff the barbarian in the process… Just bring back crusader or paladin, give us the spirit born, and while you’re at it, bring back the monk
Big surprise a bad sorc item.
Buff sorc
@wudijo as a diablo partner i am sure devs will see your feeback and will fix this ridiculous thing
for other builds :
incinerate : you have to be close to the boss to hit with 3 beams
meteore is doing trash dmg currently.
Ball lightning as been nerfed heavily
ice shards is doing trash dmg currently
lam esen unique staff : nobody is using it
fireball unique staff : nobody is using it
and yes they nerfed the shield because in s4 you can be immortal all the time by having your flame shield up....
The only way these uniques make any sense to me is if they are planning an overhaul of the entire Sorc skill tree. If that was going to happen then surely it would be in the PTR though? I just don't get it... The unique pants even screw you over if you try to just have 1 CL running as they have "chance to cast CL twice" on them.
They should buff base damage of all sorc abilities and make a stacking multiplier for each bounce of chain lightning
ty for bringing awareness and advocating the sorc class
I think devs should focus on making sorc baseline good. Cool items are cool, but this one has some questionable aspects and most importantly nobody will care about this item if sorc is not good without it
But it’s weird right because sorc without aspects or uniques is really good and actually interesting.
But then when it comes to aspects or uniques everything feels lackluster and some even have downsides to them for no reason
I'd rather have Omnipower than whatever this Axial Conduit was doing in PTR. Hopefully they improve it, since the idea is cool.
Omnipower was datamined from the PTR, so they planned to add it as an aspect but instead we get a bunch of useless trash aspects and the "of Omnipower" item is actually the new unique staff that is useless as well unless they rework it or buff it significantly.
Why would we want a Unique that turns Chain Lightning into Lightning Spear?
thats how I felt about it. May as well of made it a lightning spear item for a full conjur build.
The only builds I have liked on Sorc are Firewall/Ice spikes early on and Ball lightning which was busted. Never did any of the OP cooldown builds just not really my style and requires alot to get working.
I tested it. I think the idea is really cool, it’s different from other builds in the way it works which is cool, but man it just feels so bad to play. All I wanted to do was spam the skill but I couldn’t. The moral of it all is You can do everything right in the development stages, but if it feels bad to play, it’s going to be DOA
Yeah they've had some really cool ideas but, too many of them are DOA because they don't implement them correctly.
@@sethwood1676 Its incredibly hard to balance things in RPGs. I cant state just how literally impossible it is. Lets not drown the devs in hate, but rather enjoy the fact theyre trying to take risks. Eventually the game will be in a good state, and I really applaud them for trying to make something like those pants work. Honestly I Barely gave the pants a fair shake. I mean I hardly had any MWing, tempers were kinda shit etc. But yeah.....So much goes into it....Its not really fair to cast true judgement so early in the lifespan of an item.
Base skill needs 10x buff like it was in season 0 before we talk about chain light build.
Sorc is just fundamentally broken I feel.
Perhaps this item would be awesome if only 1 CL explodes when 66 mana is drained, the others remain. The play style is then about keeping as many as possible up within the capabilities of the mana pool. Pushes the resource gen and max mana intent of the item.
When I saw the thumbnail, I first read the name of the item as Anal Conduit before doing a double take and correcting myself.
Pretty accurate description of the state of the sorcerer class, IMO
Man, I feel like the nerfs they did after the beta or preseason bit them in the butt such as nerfing chain lightning, hydra or minions. Luckily minions came back for one season but man, please help the sorc
whoever came up with the kiss/curse gameplay for sorc doesnt understand ARPGs why play a class with inherent downsides when classes without that downside exist
i really don't get it. does blizzard not test the powerlevel and tuning at all in this game? not just this item or build, just in general sometimes it feels like they're not even trying to balance.
You do not need to cast the CL, the pants trigger on the CL passive.
So you can go a basic attack "Spark" build with the new sword, which use mana to trigger CL, than both, CL and Spark Lucky Hit the new "lightning spear".
What sucks is these pants are designed for builds with stacking mana regen but what do you not get when you stack mana regen? dmg multipliers lol.
It kinda sounds like it’s just not working as intended. When I read it I assumed each chain lightning would have it’s own mana drain counter.
Thank god im not the only one
Sorc needs to add a 2h slot. That by itself is a big buff to everything and every build.
The more weapon slots characters have the better they are. When you can have all your life and stats only from weapons it opens up possibilities for other slots. R/N you have to go glass cannon because you have no places left for life stats.
I think you nailed one of my main frustrations with D4. What if I want to play a regular chain lightning build? If the pants are the only possible chain lightning build then you start to ask yourself why the pants aren't part of the core skill? Similar to ball lightning, if melee ball lightning is the only viable way to play it then why isn't it part of the core skill? To be clear I don't think "purpose" needs to be end game viability, but like is anyone ever going to play ball lightning leveling without the power (hint: I tried it and it sucks)? Boss kill without the power? In so many cases you'd be quartering your damage or more to not use the power / unique. If you're within 10% then there's an argument that buffs in certain places could shift it into viability or you just take the hit because you prefer it for pit 61/101.
I'd really love for them to do a base pass over the skills and change / buff them so every single base skill and enhancement has some sort of purpose or chance that someone would actually choose it. Like the ones where you're choosing say crit % or this gives me fortify, or cooldown to that skill vs. vulnurable activator. Those problems have multiple solutions and I can choose if I want this skill to be the vehicle to solve that problem.
dev's have kind of anti-synergy with sorc players
As a sorc main, I can honestly say you hit the nail on the head; this CL build without the bug is a joke. I feel like the dev spat in my face by giving me this build; it's insulting.
I can see the D4 bad meme making a return for season 5
The problem is that if it drains 66 mana ALL CL disappears.
This should be that if every single one CL drains 66 then THIS ONE disappears. This means that with 66 per second, I could have 11 CLs running at the same time.
Then double casting would be a bonus because I would be able to get 11 stacks of them faster by only pressing the skill 6 times and not 11.
Also, it should be like when there are no enemies around CL is going to "sleep mode" just circling around you and not draining mana so you can run with 11 stacks of them.
In general, Druid, Sorc, and Necro badly need a possibility to wear 2H + 2x1H the same as Rogue which means more Aspects, more Gems, and more offensive stats.
Turn chain lightning into a Channeling skill
What a surprise, poopy damage 💩🤫
Druid and sorc as a whole neeed reworks lmao
It's kinda funny how just making the pants power being omnipower for only chain lightning would have been better.
I loved omnipower CL in Season 1. I actually played a ton of S1 on the back of that build.
Does this work with the Chain Lightning enchantment? If just using as a secondary source of damage I could see that being fun. I usually just toss that on my fire sorc anyways for the lightning proc/Xtra burn source (and mana Regen with legendary node). So if it made bonus chain lightning do something besides proc my burns, might be worth a slot
A Suggestion: Why not have the chain lightning circle the target and do stuff instead of the caster? That would be different.
I always liked wizard and sorc the most and the spec just feels bland. Maybe because so few viable builds I guess.
Could be a super cool build to play if only they can get it to feel strong enough and good to play, without bugs.
Blizzard wanted to make a Kang the Conqueror/Quantumania build for us
How we get a new class and still the same Sorc issues. 😂 they about to completely neglect my boy.
I have 4 sparks. Should i create Shako for my Sorc now or wait till Season 5?
Depends, do you want to play with Shako in Season 4 or Eternal? Pretty sure you the materials won't transfer to a Season 5 character.
Nothing transfers to season 5 except renown and cosmetics. Craft it. It's good for other classes, too.
You do know the sparks don't transfer between seasons right?
@@Jak0vas Wow i didn't know, thank you!
@@sodapopinksi667 Wow i didn't know, thank you!
the wording on the pants suck. i expected it to count to 66 for every active chainlighting independent. also i guess i will just do theese pants + any other spell and just have 2 chainlightign do the trash while spamming my single target skill ( for example ball lighting)
Holy crap that boss fight...
Yea... So bad. They better buff Barb to make up for this.
I like the Chain Lightning effect. I hope Blizzard does beef up the Chain Lightning Sorcerer. Currently, Chain Lightning goes from a S Tier build during leveling to a C/D Tier build that's worse than the Arc Lash Sorcerer. It's a really sad state of affairs. I built a Arc Lash/Chain Lightning hybrid build when D4 launched and it played terrible. In my mind, Chain Lightning's whole gimmick is the power fantasy of an attack that can be kept going and doing big total damage from tons of little hits, but I'm also fine with the power fantasy of doing lots of damage with a few strikes. Chain Lightning, as it currently exists, feels like it splits the difference in the worst way possible by doing moderate total damage from not enough little hits. My thought on how to fix Chain Lightning would be to do the following:
1) Keep its damage where it is, but drastically reduce the resource costs so that the build could keep one chain lightning going longer.
2) Ramp up the damage per chain lighting to match the resource costs so that each hit feels worth the resource cost and limited chains.
3) Keep Chain Lightning as it is now and get rid of the separate Recharging Aspect adding some kind of tuned baseline version of its effect to Chain Lightning itself.
I would love for the d4 devs to take 2 weeks off and on to play last epoch and path of exile. After the 2 weeks, collectively discuss what was enjoyable and what sucked to get ideas. Also completely random side note, why is d4 one of the only arpgs that doesnt have a belt slot for armour?
Tbh I wouldn't mind if something like this is considered the "baseline" speed and every build is nerfed/buffed to this level.
Stuff is just too fast nowadays.
If chain lightning did "every time chain lightning hits a target, the target takes 15%x increased lightning damage for X seconds" then it would become more viable and have sinergy with multiple chain lightnings or other lightning skills and be better at single target.
make it work on the proc/enchantment chain lightning, make it so each casted chain lightning has its own pool of 66 mana it can drain. the fact that all active chain lightnings share the same 66 mana seems like a mistake.... then again it is blizzard maybe its intentional. single target chain lightning should finish all its bounces before circling, way to slow and weak with what it does now.
Another sux unique for sorc
I'd prefer it if there were no items or aspects that directly increase the power or modify the functionality of specific skills. These features should instead be incorporated into the skill tree.
It would be better if the majority of items and aspects were viable choices and applicable to a wider range of builds.
Meanwhile barb doing the same amount of damage on lvl 75 while still leveling .. sadge
Bring back Griffon’s Eye..!
Sorc bad barb good.
Assial Conduit.
Tier 80, 5 minute clear while barb can do tier 100, 1 minute clear
YES YES YES! Since beta chain lightning is unplayable. Please make it a viable build
the more I watch these sorc videos the less I want to play season 5...so sad
Sorcerer will be trash forver... i don't know why i even bother waiting for a fix...
just give back sorc their 3rd enchantment slot already 😭
Lighting needs Ber Mal Ber Ist
D4 devs doing d4-dev things
The pants need to drain 2 mana per chain on return to the caster. Boom pants fixed.
The core problem is the game doesn’t reward you for specializing. At all. You are penalized for going all out with lightning or fire or ice.
Yeah this season is chalked write it off 😂
More dead on arrival items than a Borderlands game, but even Borderlands will let you make builds around garbage items that still can function
Where does this mindest come from that EVERYTHING needs to be S-tier, though? Serious question.
The design goal should always be to have every option as close to be equally viable and attractive as possible while creating meaningfully different gameplay.
Otherwise the player is punished for doing anything else other than an objectively best optimal build, the whole depth and variety of the game gets destroyed, and the entire game boils down to repeating the very same thing everyone else is doing to get comparable level of success.
And when the game is not about finishing a story but about getting as strong as possible, this destroys the very core of the game.
I believe every build in the game should be able to speed farm Pit 101. This should serve as a baseline for Blizzard to balance and improve the power of various builds.