Check out INTOTHEAM: intotheam.com/Rob2628 Please keep mind that this is just a first Tier List draft after playing the PTR. There is one more final patch coming! Hope this helps to give an overview of the current Power level of Builds! Tier List Draft: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bN8C_Fe9nrWv__jUc_Vdbl220g4NM0mlux-ga_s_-5s/edit?gid=1254546664#gid=1254546664 Timestamps 00:00 Tier List Explanation & PTR 02:46 Sorcerer 05:41 Necromancer 09:39 Druid 12:51 Rogue 16:46 Barbarian 25:27 Final Thoughts
rob, i havent been playing after S1 and will be playing for S5, as Druid. however i have a question for the AK47 build: Changeling aspect requires the Druid to be in bear form, but casting Poison Creeper turns me into human form. does that mean i am suppose to immediately cast a landslide each time after i casted Creeper, to quickly back into bear form for the Changeling to take effect for the Landslide that pop from the Subterranean aspect?
I'm asking myself why barb should not be nerfed we had a crarzy powercreep already and we go down the d3 game development way that is imo very very very very Bad!
@@Rob2628 pointless fucking video. Literally almost all of this is going to and will change. Why even bother making this when it will be COMPLETELY outdated within a week and EVERYONE knows fixes and changes are coming. Half of these are based off builds using bugged interactions or items and will never make it to the actual game. FFS man come up with better content
@@chaddrusso8850 ye ofc nerf barb, in season 0 and 1 even after nerf, barb was strongest and it never was different, barb is always strongest, cause they fkd up the core of the class
I like how he says during rogue that because the rogue hit for 22 billion it has to be a bug, but then flay barb comes up hits for 500 billion and he says it's no bug interaction at all
The Robbarblo must think he's a supreme ruler lol I really don't understand why ppl hype him so much. I'm probably the only one has to turn off the sound, sorry he is a no go lol
It may sound ridiculous but it is what it is. You can reasonable calculate how you reach that damage on a Barb but on most other classes it is just some infinite stacking bug. Obv this needs to change flay is crazy
"We want to bring all the other classes up to the Barbarian level of power without nerfing the Barb. So we are going to nerf the shit out of every class so everyone plays Barb." - D4 derp devs
I would love to play Sorc but cannot. Sorry but I just do not want to manage 5 different cooldowns at all times. It is not fun. The team responsible for this class needs to hand it off to someone else. The class has been struggling since release if we do not count the few times that it was "overperforming" thanks to bugs.
@MrHellweasel it was perfectly fine to me. They should have kept it and buff other skills for sorceress to match with ball lightning. All builds should be end game viable. Blizzard doesn't know wtf they are doing
Because they hire people based on DEI and not skills required for the job. Have you seen a video of how they play their own game? No wonder this game is pure garbage in terms of class balance.
Legit think devs have double digit IQ. They have the damage buckets and they just need to figure out what the numbers are when multiplied across buckets. It's not even calculus or linear algebra, and they can't figure this shit out. Subhumans, imo.
i love that depending on which class is on the chopping block, the meme changes. like how it was everyone memeing about nerf barb when it was obliterated by blizz in season 0-1.
16:55 I agree with what you said the developers have said, but saying and doing are two different things. They've AGAIN nerfed Sorc and Necro with unnecessary changes.
I'm just a casual gamer so I don't have as much in depth experience on class mechanics. But after a year of playing D4 and trying a different class every season, I think Barb & Rogue have a massive advantage by being able to equip more than 2 weapons. With the S4 itemization changes this only amplified their powers. Although Druids, Necros and Sorcs were given added class mechnics like spirit boons, book of the dead and enchantments. Those unfortunately do not scale and are insufficient in closing the power gap that an extra weapon slot or two could provide. I think it's going to take a combination of reworking those class mechanics to be 5x more and also removing caps on paragon nodes and key passives for Druids, Necros and Sorcs to be brought up to Barb and Rogue power levels.
Class balance - LOL. Teleport nerfed, focus nerfed, flame shield nerfed, ice armor nerfed, Debilitatin Roar nerfed, Shadowblight nerfed, Victimize nerfed, etc Meanwhile, Barb holding one button to auto-attack with Bash or WW... Yeah, this game is perfectly (un)balanced. LMAO. They will nerf everything to the ground outside the Gushing Wounds. And Barb will get a 50% Polearms buff, longer bleed, Shard of Verathiel, and Perma Berserking Aspect. Step 1: Druid, Necro, and Sorc should be able to wear 2H + 2x1H like Rogue to get two more Aspects, two more Gems, two more offensive stats, and four more Tempers.
No, no, no! Stop asking for classes to carry more weapons. It is unnecessary. Just raise class specific values to compensate for the lack of extra weapons. This crying for weapon homogenization is as bad creatively speaking as the Bluzzard team already is...
@@dogs-game-too Your Bash will be OK with new items and will do even more damage than in s4 as it was already tested. Even without these buffs Bash after 80% nerf will do more dmg than any Druid, or Sorc build.
they had to walk that back the community hated it, their original concepts and ideas are gone no reason to act like its not exactly what the playerbase wanted.
No class should even be close to hitting for billions of damage. Tormented bosses were supposed to be a challange and we are bonking them for half their health bar per hit. The current balance is a complete dumpster fire.
I hate it. I'm playing Dust Devil without bleeds right now in S4 and I think this could be a healthy baseline for builds, but everything Rob showed here has 10-1000 times more damage 🤢
I'm convinced that the employees in charge of balancing really have no idea how the top builds function. Blizz needs to hire people like Rob to help balance classes because clearly their current employees do not play the game nearly enough to fully understand it.
If they dont cap gushing wounds, im not playing season 5 and im not getting the expansion. There is no reason to cap the damage on every class but barb. Fuck. That. Noise.
Yeah, so nerf the build, that’ll help all the other classes. Genius. That’s how I know you’re a hater. Don’t advocate for your favorite class to improve, just advocate that the other guys get nerved to the point they suck as bad as you
@jarrodgentry9966 Bro, if every other class is brought up to 230 billion dmg Barb level and everything in the game dies in 2 seconds, you get a bad game. Barb players who cry about not wanting to be brought in line with other classes are toxic to the health of the game. It's already to the point where any time I'm standing at the pit obelisk, I see 7 Barbs and nothing else. You people just want it to be a 1 class game and that's dumb.
Been a sorc main since s2 and then I switched to rogue then to barb in s4 and I can say I truly feel the gap that the barb has between the other classes Ive played. I really enjoyed Barb now but please properly buff the sorc as I still love that class but its almost unplayable in comparison with the Barb
Just out of left field here but. Giving the Sorc a third weapon slot, and a third enchantment slot seems to be the most requested ideas so far. That could work, but would make the class much more difficult to balance properly. Just reworked key passives would be decent for now, as most likely the expansion will address a lot of the class issues.
Yd I'd love a third enchant slot. but to be honest, most of the skills when slotted in enchant are absolute garbage so I dont think that would do a whole lot unless they rework the enchants.
sorc just doesnt have good multipliers(against unstopable enemies), thats it, 3rd ench slot wont do shit, they just need to make all multipliers work against bosses
I still haven’t given up on the Sorc yet. It’s a great class for farming low end content. There needs to be a way to ramp DPS, and a rework to the key passives would be a great start, but the real problem is the paragon glyphs. More general mechanics instead of hyper specific mechanics could also help. I mean this isn’t rocket science.
Tal rasha ring needs a buff so it could scale with all elements , with the tempering it's possible to get schadow and poison damage , key passives need a rework and lightning sorc needs damage multiplier's
Sorc needs more survivability. If you don't have a barrier or a shield active you probably get one shot. Most of my skill slots are taken up by defensive skills. I get a barrier when I use a cooldown. So I basically get a barrier at the same time as I have a shield. The only cooldown that I use that actually gives me a barrier is frost nova (freezes) and lightning spear (stuns) so the 3 second barrier is mostly useless. You could argue teleport but it gives a 4 second DR so basically a 1 second usable DR. This makes using a single target skill like ice shards hard to use. It clears mobs but against bosses it struggles. You have to spend more time running than dealing damage. Blizzard/ice spikes does more single target damage and does DOT while you're running. I feel that they should either give sorc a full time DR passive or extend the duration of barriers. Icy veil does this so maybe they could just boost the % to it. I know that people like clearing mobs quickly but a single target skill needs to do more damage to a single target than an AOE.
It's funny how typing something out can change your thinking. Maybe I have it backwards. I've been using the defensive skills from the beginning when it's possible that just relying on the barrier from cooldowns would be better. So still use teleport with the damage node and replace the other 2 with offensive cooldown skills. I guess it's worth looking in to.
Thank you Rob for your tier build video! This was helpful and loved your analysis of the meta shift for season 5! Keep up the great work you do for the D4 community! 😊 (p.s. Nice haircut Rob!)
Hope they nerf Gushing Wounds. Rogue doing 22 bil damage with perfect 3 GA, 3x Crits on Masterwork = bugged. Barblo with average gear doing 230 billion damage, as intended. No bug! LOL
What blizzard should do is make it so every class can have 12 possible aspects equipped all they would have to do create a couple more item slot types for each character.
Of course barb will always be the best by default. Only class that has 6 hands, extra bonuses from extra affixes and legendsry effects and crystals. That kakes it best already. Its like 2h scythe would need to have 4 x times current stats on barb to counter it
"Of course barb will always be the best by default" except it hasn't always been the best lmfao, people like you are why devs shouldn't listen to their community. you just whine all day about your favorite class instead of caring about balance. the entire point of barb having 4 weapons and necro having 1 or 2 is because necro has a book of the dead and barb has arsenal+weapons, its the class design you are so fucking clueless.
Why is it that Blizzard, and a lot of players can't wrap their minds around raising class specific values to compensate for the lack of extra weapons? It's always "bArBs HaS 6 wEaPoNs. I wAnTs 6 WeApOnS oN mY sOrC tOo."
I get that you are probably not that bright, but the key difference is that necro has minions and book of the dead as it’s class mechanic. so your point about 2h scythe needing 4x stats to “counter” barb doesn’t make sense. each class has its own unique mechanic so if you want necro to have 4x stats on its 2h, book of the dead would need to be removed or nerfed.
@@Skydogg5555 necro has book, barb has weapon masteries, same shit different thing. All I can see it proves the point that barb is strong and can use more codex powers due to having more slots. I main barb and it has been a thing since I remember.
@@ThomashowardX its not same shit different thing, your entire point is just to list what makes barb a barb and then say "because i have listed what makes barb a barb, i'm going to now say i want necro to have a 2h scythe with 4x current stats". again, barbs do not have book of the dead...stop pretending that giving necro 2h scythe with 4x stats would be a good direction. there is a reason why blizzard hasn't done this trash suggestion you give and has buffed book of the dead scaling and other actually interesting changes that keep each class unique.
I never thought id miss set armour from D3 so much and while it made eveyone wear mostly the same gear atleast it opened up more class builds than in D4
As a long time magic player in every game I play, another round of Sorc nerfs means I am indefinitely shelving this game - probably for good. What a sad state of affairs.
Have to remember they said they are going to change all of the existing uniques in some ways come season 5. This is really important for Sorc at least, because uniques in general are stronger and more build defining for Sorcs than their legendary powers and tempers are.
Some idea of builds for sorcerer "... sorc's hydras become mobile pets..."; "...ball lightning is now summoned at a target and explodes instantly..."; "...meteor is now a giant meteor summoned at the target doing physical damage..."; "...putting different element shields/barriers now gives thorns elemental damage while active at the same time..."
I just go for a Barb and a Rouge… Just because Sorc my favourite Class is broken and they want fix it. In other words there is no other possibillity because everything else is crap.
For years and years, i still make a barb, gear him, level him, to farm mats for my sorcerer. I really like the look and feel of the sorcerer class. Aside from the shatter/Fireball/burning BS, which really feels more like an exploit than a build, its just trash compared to other classes. Its like Blizzard is deaf and blind to the hundreds if not thousands of hours of videos and posts that place it last consistently in the class list in D3 AND D4. I was hoping the lightning build would be stronger than suggested with the new things - to see an "S" class sorcerer build that isn't based on some hack. I honestly wish Rob worked on the game design staff.
Oh wait there was one 3 or 4 years ago..the Firebird build in D3 where you zipped around and blew stuff up with a slashing attack and little copies of you spawned. Now that was fun.
combine locras and lucion into SAME item, make it uber unique and sprinkle with some nerf. Then we'll have an uber to chase for all core builds. May be make it a helm, so it competes with shaco for the slot
As a sorc player, maybe it's because sorcs are ugly af. If I didn't love magic, I wouldn't be playing that ugly piece of s. Not that I am ever going to play D4 again at the rate they are nerfing the game.
It's incredible how I paid 60 dollars for a game to play only Sorc... and Surprise!! It's been shit this whole time trying to enjoy the game! I will not pay again for such a frustrating experience and expensive game
Robs builds are great but most people shouldn’t expect to even come close to the same numbers he is putting out. He always gets triple greater affix god rolls on all his gear to hit those numbers. I’m lucky to get one piece of gear with triple greater affix.
That’s exactly right, they need to get the builds as strong as the barbarian to balance classes, not nerffing them to get there, also they need to get rid of the limit to temper items, finding a great item and bricking it is one of the worst experiences in the game, we also need more endgame activities and bosses, hopefully soon
Every build should be viable. I loved but also hated s4 cuz of basic skills... how lame is that... make the gsme so that every build works. Basic skills. Core skills. Mastery what ever u name it.... i was so hyped start of season 4 with teleport build. Got like 2k incr teleport dmg but couldt clear higher then tier 65 orso... after 2 weeks i quit esspecially when insaw basic skills were ruling the leaderboards...
Only issue is people completely go by tier lists and not what the have fun with. The think if they go for a top build then they will be better than everyone. You should do disclaimers on how hard a top builds is to achieve lol
Blizzard need to re-tune the damage and enemy life values to a lower value. It will not feel like a nerf since the intention is to synchronize the reduction with the player damage and enemy life. That way, we will not see these absurd numbers. By the time DLC came, D4 would have overlapped D3 with the insane damage numbers.
why do they cap dmg. If we cant even do with a good build t 150? whats the point on nerving every build. Every Build should do Trillion Damage if the Boss have tons of Life
I havent ever gotten a character good enough to even fight lilith due to not having alot of time and some really bad rng. And ive never looked at build vids or websites because i think it takes the fun and creativity out of rpgs when you simply copy and paste what you see on a youtube video. But i didnt think there would be that many good basic builds already. I was really excited checking out the new uniques because i always wanted to try making a really good basic build but i always fell a bit short of great. I only have 1 level 100 and ive been playing the same druid since launch trying to make a great build with the claw and i got a level 58 barb that i tried to make a frenzy build.
Am I the only one that the fly ruture causes lag at high levels? starting at 154 or 150+ when casting rupture takes many seconds to explode many times you die because of this delay.
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Check out INTOTHEAM: intotheam.com/Rob2628
Please keep mind that this is just a first Tier List draft after playing the PTR. There is one more final patch coming! Hope this helps to give an overview of the current Power level of Builds!
Tier List Draft: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bN8C_Fe9nrWv__jUc_Vdbl220g4NM0mlux-ga_s_-5s/edit?gid=1254546664#gid=1254546664
Timestamps
00:00 Tier List Explanation & PTR
02:46 Sorcerer
05:41 Necromancer
09:39 Druid
12:51 Rogue
16:46 Barbarian
25:27 Final Thoughts
rob, i havent been playing after S1 and will be playing for S5, as Druid. however i have a question for the AK47 build: Changeling aspect requires the Druid to be in bear form, but casting Poison Creeper turns me into human form. does that mean i am suppose to immediately cast a landslide each time after i casted Creeper, to quickly back into bear form for the Changeling to take effect for the Landslide that pop from the Subterranean aspect?
I wish they would lose the dust devils completely. It’s rather trashy. It’s annoying. Barbarian isn’t a sorcerer.
I'm asking myself why barb should not be nerfed we had a crarzy powercreep already and we go down the d3 game development way that is imo very very very very Bad!
@@Rob2628 pointless fucking video. Literally almost all of this is going to and will change. Why even bother making this when it will be COMPLETELY outdated within a week and EVERYONE knows fixes and changes are coming.
Half of these are based off builds using bugged interactions or items and will never make it to the actual game. FFS man come up with better content
D4 BAD
Blizzard noticed barb had only 6 builds that could output billions of damage so they buffed barb and nerfed sorc.
barb good = buff barb
barb bad = buff barb
sorc good = nerf sorc + buff barb
sorc bad = nerf sorc + buff barb
@@overpowerrdTrue ! I play only sorcerer and im sick... Stop d4
The PTR was so bad it deflated Rob's hair.
Alter... diese Frisur killt Bosse 😂
Ded lmfao
I wondered if anyone would bring up robs hair 🤣
Still looks like Beavis
I see it shimmering, maybe it is new AI hair? 🤔
barb good = buff barb
barb bad = buff barb
sorc good = nerf sorc + buff barb
sorc bad = nerf sorc + buff barb
It was the opposite back in season 0-1 the meme was “nerf Barb” let us bask in the sunlight 😂
This is the way
i love that this meme has done a 180 since the game came out, its hilarious how people just latch onto anything and everything they can lmfao
Sorc buff = every nearby Barb does 200% more damage.
@@chaddrusso8850 ye ofc nerf barb, in season 0 and 1 even after nerf, barb was strongest and it never was different, barb is always strongest, cause they fkd up the core of the class
I like how he says during rogue that because the rogue hit for 22 billion it has to be a bug, but then flay barb comes up hits for 500 billion and he says it's no bug interaction at all
The Robbarblo must think he's a supreme ruler lol I really don't understand why ppl hype him so much. I'm probably the only one has to turn off the sound, sorry he is a no go lol
Rogue doing 22bil damage - “Obvious a bug”
Barb doing half of trillion - “No bug”
sorcerer too HAHAHAHAHA
blizzard love barb for sure
Yeah that why the nane.......Bbablo 4.
It may sound ridiculous but it is what it is. You can reasonable calculate how you reach that damage on a Barb but on most other classes it is just some infinite stacking bug. Obv this needs to change flay is crazy
@@Rob2628 Do you really think that buff all classes to half trillion damage is a good idea? Game will feel like uses The Death Star to kill a fly
"We want to bring all the other classes up to the Barbarian level of power without nerfing the Barb. So we are going to nerf the shit out of every class so everyone plays Barb." - D4 derp devs
PTR was bugged so blizzard nerfed Rob's hair
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I would love to play Sorc but cannot. Sorry but I just do not want to manage 5 different cooldowns at all times. It is not fun. The team responsible for this class needs to hand it off to someone else. The class has been struggling since release if we do not count the few times that it was "overperforming" thanks to bugs.
The only time it didn’t suffer was season 2 with ball lightning
@@michaelthechicken Yeah but that was when ball lightning was bugged and ticked way more than intended :)
@@MrHellweasel Yeah true
overperforming? even tho it was bugged crazy barb was better with the bonk build instakilling everything in the game.
@MrHellweasel it was perfectly fine to me. They should have kept it and buff other skills for sorceress to match with ball lightning. All builds should be end game viable. Blizzard doesn't know wtf they are doing
D4 devs don't have the analytical and mathematical skills to balance classes.
That's clear by their math skill Raxx pointed out during I think pre season.
Because they hire people based on DEI and not skills required for the job.
Have you seen a video of how they play their own game? No wonder this game is pure garbage in terms of class balance.
I swear!!
@@tomtomkowski7653 DEI makes for great game dev, just like it's going to make for great airline pilots!
Legit think devs have double digit IQ. They have the damage buckets and they just need to figure out what the numbers are when multiplied across buckets. It's not even calculus or linear algebra, and they can't figure this shit out. Subhumans, imo.
I can't wait to see the Devs nerf Sorc again. Barb still needs more buffs.
Sorc did biggest damage on the PTR so obviously it needs a nerf! And barb didn't so it needs a buff by 10-50x damage.
i love that depending on which class is on the chopping block, the meme changes. like how it was everyone memeing about nerf barb when it was obliterated by blizz in season 0-1.
Sorcs' cosmetics are bad and don't sell and barbs' are the opposite. Barb buffs = more money.
16:55 I agree with what you said the developers have said, but saying and doing are two different things. They've AGAIN nerfed Sorc and Necro with unnecessary changes.
Thank you for taking the time to test all these on PTR and share 😊
I'm just a casual gamer so I don't have as much in depth experience on class mechanics. But after a year of playing D4 and trying a different class every season, I think Barb & Rogue have a massive advantage by being able to equip more than 2 weapons. With the S4 itemization changes this only amplified their powers.
Although Druids, Necros and Sorcs were given added class mechnics like spirit boons, book of the dead and enchantments. Those unfortunately do not scale and are insufficient in closing the power gap that an extra weapon slot or two could provide.
I think it's going to take a combination of reworking those class mechanics to be 5x more and also removing caps on paragon nodes and key passives for Druids, Necros and Sorcs to be brought up to Barb and Rogue power levels.
Class balance - LOL. Teleport nerfed, focus nerfed, flame shield nerfed, ice armor nerfed, Debilitatin Roar nerfed, Shadowblight nerfed, Victimize nerfed, etc
Meanwhile, Barb holding one button to auto-attack with Bash or WW... Yeah, this game is perfectly (un)balanced. LMAO.
They will nerf everything to the ground outside the Gushing Wounds. And Barb will get a 50% Polearms buff, longer bleed, Shard of Verathiel, and Perma Berserking Aspect.
Step 1: Druid, Necro, and Sorc should be able to wear 2H + 2x1H like Rogue to get two more Aspects, two more Gems, two more offensive stats, and four more Tempers.
No, no, no! Stop asking for classes to carry more weapons. It is unnecessary. Just raise class specific values to compensate for the lack of extra weapons. This crying for weapon homogenization is as bad creatively speaking as the Bluzzard team already is...
Bash got a 80% nerf and sucks without totally rebuilding the gear, only available in s5. My s4 barb is officially a paperweight.
@@dogs-game-too Your Bash will be OK with new items and will do even more damage than in s4 as it was already tested. Even without these buffs Bash after 80% nerf will do more dmg than any Druid, or Sorc build.
Remember when the Devs said they didn’t want damage to get as high as D3 levels? Look at us now
I knew that was out the window when I saw base weapon damage was 3600 lol.
big numbers are awesome though. i hope they dont go any higher though
they had to walk that back the community hated it, their original concepts and ideas are gone no reason to act like its not exactly what the playerbase wanted.
No class should even be close to hitting for billions of damage. Tormented bosses were supposed to be a challange and we are bonking them for half their health bar per hit. The current balance is a complete dumpster fire.
Always has been
I hate it. I'm playing Dust Devil without bleeds right now in S4 and I think this could be a healthy baseline for builds, but everything Rob showed here has 10-1000 times more damage 🤢
i want an option to exclude barbarians from my gameplay. I do not believe blizz is able to balance it anyway.
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We need druid shred buffs, sorc everything buffs, and necro blood buffs.
I'm convinced that the employees in charge of balancing really have no idea how the top builds function. Blizz needs to hire people like Rob to help balance classes because clearly their current employees do not play the game nearly enough to fully understand it.
NO need. Just use paid customers as beta testers like they've been doing. Why pay more for experienced devs?
Search "muppets using computer" , that's blizzard balancing
You can do billions of damage, this game was made by touched people
Yeah sure hire the most biased streamer to do the balance chances.AnD NNNnneeeWWW MMMmeTTa bAArb 🥴🥴👌👌👌👌
Yea hire Barb shills like him, I would love to see Barbs get to equip 8 weapons someday.
I hear they are changing Diablo 4 name to Barbarian 4
Barbeautiful idea
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If they dont cap gushing wounds, im not playing season 5 and im not getting the expansion. There is no reason to cap the damage on every class but barb. Fuck. That. Noise.
Yeah that is sad, every top tier barb build has 1 thing in common - BLEED. Every other key passive is just weak compared to gushing wounds
Go cry to your mama
Yeah, so nerf the build, that’ll help all the other classes. Genius. That’s how I know you’re a hater. Don’t advocate for your favorite class to improve, just advocate that the other guys get nerved to the point they suck as bad as you
@jarrodgentry9966 yes it will help all the other classes because they won't be comparative shit anymore.
@jarrodgentry9966 Bro, if every other class is brought up to 230 billion dmg Barb level and everything in the game dies in 2 seconds, you get a bad game. Barb players who cry about not wanting to be brought in line with other classes are toxic to the health of the game. It's already to the point where any time I'm standing at the pit obelisk, I see 7 Barbs and nothing else. You people just want it to be a 1 class game and that's dumb.
Rob got a fresh cut 👍
Been a sorc main since s2 and then I switched to rogue then to barb in s4 and I can say I truly feel the gap that the barb has between the other classes Ive played. I really enjoyed Barb now but please properly buff the sorc as I still love that class but its almost unplayable in comparison with the Barb
i also hope for other buffs for the sorc, not only chain lightning, if they keep goin for 1 strong build per class and season its just boring
Just out of left field here but.
Giving the Sorc a third weapon slot, and a third enchantment slot seems to be the most requested ideas so far.
That could work, but would make the class much more difficult to balance properly.
Just reworked key passives would be decent for now, as most likely the expansion will address a lot of the class issues.
the expansion will likely nerf sorcs some more and give a buff to barbs just in case
Yd I'd love a third enchant slot. but to be honest, most of the skills when slotted in enchant are absolute garbage so I dont think that would do a whole lot unless they rework the enchants.
sorc just doesnt have good multipliers(against unstopable enemies), thats it, 3rd ench slot wont do shit, they just need to make all multipliers work against bosses
Just don't balance. The balancing is really the problem here - it is obvious they are clueless what is fun and just break the game more and more.
I still haven’t given up on the Sorc yet. It’s a great class for farming low end content. There needs to be a way to ramp DPS, and a rework to the key passives would be a great start, but the real problem is the paragon glyphs. More general mechanics instead of hyper specific mechanics could also help.
I mean this isn’t rocket science.
As a former sorc, and now barb… it’s time to give up on the sorc. Barb is like a whole new game
Tal rasha ring needs a buff so it could scale with all elements , with the tempering it's possible to get schadow and poison damage , key passives need a rework and lightning sorc needs damage multiplier's
Sorc needs more survivability. If you don't have a barrier or a shield active you probably get one shot. Most of my skill slots are taken up by defensive skills. I get a barrier when I use a cooldown.
So I basically get a barrier at the same time as I have a shield. The only cooldown that I use that actually gives me a barrier is frost nova (freezes) and lightning spear (stuns) so the 3 second barrier is mostly useless. You could argue teleport but it gives a 4 second DR so basically a 1 second usable DR. This makes using a single target skill like ice shards hard to use. It clears mobs but against bosses it struggles. You have to spend more time running than dealing damage. Blizzard/ice spikes does more single target damage and does DOT while you're running.
I feel that they should either give sorc a full time DR passive or extend the duration of barriers. Icy veil does this so maybe they could just boost the % to it.
I know that people like clearing mobs quickly but a single target skill needs to do more damage to a single target than an AOE.
It's funny how typing something out can change your thinking. Maybe I have it backwards. I've been using the defensive skills from the beginning when it's possible that just relying on the barrier from cooldowns would be better. So still use teleport with the damage node and replace the other 2 with offensive cooldown skills. I guess it's worth looking in to.
They really need to prevent 1 shots, cap it to like 90% damage imho
I feel like you just look at the Sorceress and she dies, yet the Barbarian can reach over 500K HP. It should absolutely not be like this. It's so sad.
@@lukebrady65 Not only the sorc. Any of the magic using classes. At least the sorc is comparably fast. Druid, and even more so, necro are slow, too.
Thank you Rob for your tier build video! This was helpful and loved your analysis of the meta shift for season 5! Keep up the great work you do for the D4 community! 😊 (p.s. Nice haircut Rob!)
I see a lot of people saying nerf barb WTF guys ?!!
Just buff all classes and make the game fun !!!
Hope they nerf Gushing Wounds. Rogue doing 22 bil damage with perfect 3 GA, 3x Crits on Masterwork = bugged. Barblo with average gear doing 230 billion damage, as intended. No bug! LOL
Why nerf ?!
Just buff other classes
@@abusulimanabusuliman521 Because we shouldn't even be on an insane powercreep. It's D3 all over again.
@@LemonRush7777 It's the last season before the expansion. We'll likely get reseted quite low with the expansion.
@@abusulimanabusuliman521 because we don't want back to d3 clearly!!!!
Oh 300000000% dmg to skill woooow Shitty game design...
@@teapea8184Wrong... This has literally never happened in any Blizzard game. Xpacs always bring bigger damage.
That just goes to show that the barb is the love child and the rest are the unwanted children
that sorceress wallpaper is sick i wish i could get it
I don't like calling it WW Barb, its DustDevil WW barb. We still don't have a build that actually does damage with WW.
That’s true but ppl just refer to it as Whirlwind Barb
How come Rogue is a "bug" but Barb doing half a trillion is never "bugged"
As long as Shred isnt a thing, im going to skip every season until it is
Nice new hair rob
clean cut my g
WE NEED LOADOUTS im sick of having to do multiple character just to change build.
What blizzard should do is make it so every class can have 12 possible aspects equipped all they would have to do create a couple more item slot types for each character.
Of course barb will always be the best by default. Only class that has 6 hands, extra bonuses from extra affixes and legendsry effects and crystals. That kakes it best already. Its like 2h scythe would need to have 4 x times current stats on barb to counter it
"Of course barb will always be the best by default"
except it hasn't always been the best lmfao, people like you are why devs shouldn't listen to their community. you just whine all day about your favorite class instead of caring about balance. the entire point of barb having 4 weapons and necro having 1 or 2 is because necro has a book of the dead and barb has arsenal+weapons, its the class design you are so fucking clueless.
Why is it that Blizzard, and a lot of players can't wrap their minds around raising class specific values to compensate for the lack of extra weapons? It's always "bArBs HaS 6 wEaPoNs. I wAnTs 6 WeApOnS oN mY sOrC tOo."
I get that you are probably not that bright, but the key difference is that necro has minions and book of the dead as it’s class mechanic. so your point about 2h scythe needing 4x stats to “counter” barb doesn’t make sense. each class has its own unique mechanic so if you want necro to have 4x stats on its 2h, book of the dead would need to be removed or nerfed.
@@Skydogg5555 necro has book, barb has weapon masteries, same shit different thing. All I can see it proves the point that barb is strong and can use more codex powers due to having more slots. I main barb and it has been a thing since I remember.
@@ThomashowardX its not same shit different thing, your entire point is just to list what makes barb a barb and then say "because i have listed what makes barb a barb, i'm going to now say i want necro to have a 2h scythe with 4x current stats". again, barbs do not have book of the dead...stop pretending that giving necro 2h scythe with 4x stats would be a good direction.
there is a reason why blizzard hasn't done this trash suggestion you give and has buffed book of the dead scaling and other actually interesting changes that keep each class unique.
Best D4 content creator/streamer imho and all around great guy. Thanks Rob!
I never thought id miss set armour from D3 so much and while it made eveyone wear mostly the same gear atleast it opened up more class builds than in D4
Man I am so damn hyped for August... Season 5 followed by TWW launch... what a time to be alive XD
As a long time magic player in every game I play, another round of Sorc nerfs means I am indefinitely shelving this game - probably for good. What a sad state of affairs.
Finally, Landslide gets some love.
Buff to Landslide was great although it was always very very solid/above average.
Have to remember they said they are going to change all of the existing uniques in some ways come season 5. This is really important for Sorc at least, because uniques in general are stronger and more build defining for Sorcs than their legendary powers and tempers are.
Nice video, you summon the info very good. Thanks!
I'll never not be reminded how sad I am intotheam stopped all over print hoodies :(
the class art youre using is so sick!!
Thanks Rob 🙏 I was wanting to try the new chain lightning Sorc, but I’m gonna run Barb again.
Great vid I bought shirts for me and the wifu with your code thnx intotheAM and Rob!
you have to invest in pvp, pve with a month to go there's nothing to do, it's simply boring
Agree
Some idea of builds for sorcerer "... sorc's hydras become mobile pets..."; "...ball lightning is now summoned at a target and explodes instantly..."; "...meteor is now a giant meteor summoned at the target doing physical damage..."; "...putting different element shields/barriers now gives thorns elemental damage while active at the same time..."
Blizzard has given up on weakening the barbarian, they know you will find a way to make the barbarian number one 💯🤣
way easier to change 4 classes to bring them to the barb level, instead of nerfing 1 class...jesus
I just go for a Barb and a Rouge… Just because Sorc my favourite Class is broken and they want fix it. In other words there is no other possibillity because everything else is crap.
The devs are walking around the balance of d4 as if they are in the woods with no map, no backpack, no water, no food, and no sense of direction xdd
I've know idea about the damage number but the way Exploit node execute all Nearby Non-Boss enemies. Exactly like PTR patch says.
For years and years, i still make a barb, gear him, level him, to farm mats for my sorcerer. I really like the look and feel of the sorcerer class. Aside from the shatter/Fireball/burning BS, which really feels more like an exploit than a build, its just trash compared to other classes. Its like Blizzard is deaf and blind to the hundreds if not thousands of hours of videos and posts that place it last consistently in the class list in D3 AND D4. I was hoping the lightning build would be stronger than suggested with the new things - to see an "S" class sorcerer build that isn't based on some hack. I honestly wish Rob worked on the game design staff.
Oh wait there was one 3 or 4 years ago..the Firebird build in D3 where you zipped around and blew stuff up with a slashing attack and little copies of you spawned. Now that was fun.
Wow the sorcerer wallpaper I love it, uuuhh I want it … where I can get it ?
Nice video men
Yes thanks mate in my discord there is an artwork channel - link in video description- enjoy!
@@Rob2628 ok
@@Rob2628 God bless you
Shock horror he puts barb as number 1. Omfg. 😂
combine locras and lucion into SAME item, make it uber unique and sprinkle with some nerf. Then we'll have an uber to chase for all core builds. May be make it a helm, so it competes with shaco for the slot
Why does Blizzard hate the Sorcerer?
As a sorc player, maybe it's because sorcs are ugly af. If I didn't love magic, I wouldn't be playing that ugly piece of s. Not that I am ever going to play D4 again at the rate they are nerfing the game.
I'm not going to play season 5 is 99% of players are just playing barb because they are OP while everyone else gets nerfed.
Season of Rogue
Really hope they work on shred and make it viable for endgame play...
It's incredible how I paid 60 dollars for a game to play only Sorc... and Surprise!! It's been shit this whole time trying to enjoy the game! I will not pay again for such a frustrating experience and expensive game
odd's decisions and direction were horrible
Ok cry harder
@@MMoer youmomcry harder
@@MMoer yormomcry,harder
@@p7755fn lol You can't even type correctly. Figures. 🤣
I want to try playing the Sork.
I usually hate on you because you cater to builds that 90% of players can't truly achieve. But you're usually right about things
Robs builds are great but most people shouldn’t expect to even come close to the same numbers he is putting out. He always gets triple greater affix god rolls on all his gear to hit those numbers. I’m lucky to get one piece of gear with triple greater affix.
Blizzard - bring everyone up to Barb level
Also Blizzard - WHOA BOYS NECRO GOT TOO CLOSE!!!! NERRRRFFFFFF
That’s exactly right, they need to get the builds as strong as the barbarian to balance classes, not nerffing them to get there, also they need to get rid of the limit to temper items, finding a great item and bricking it is one of the worst experiences in the game, we also need more endgame activities and bosses, hopefully soon
Whats even the point of playing Season if they're clearly just favouring 1 class? Guess I'll skip S5 and just stick to Eternal...
Cooldown on focus lets take it away as sorc is too powerful. (Blizzard 2024)
What do you mean fair balance of the game?
There should be no balance, Barbs should always dominate!
Every build should be viable. I loved but also hated s4 cuz of basic skills... how lame is that... make the gsme so that every build works. Basic skills. Core skills. Mastery what ever u name it.... i was so hyped start of season 4 with teleport build. Got like 2k incr teleport dmg but couldt clear higher then tier 65 orso... after 2 weeks i quit esspecially when insaw basic skills were ruling the leaderboards...
Only issue is people completely go by tier lists and not what the have fun with. The think if they go for a top build then they will be better than everyone. You should do disclaimers on how hard a top builds is to achieve lol
New haircut looking like a barbillion bucks
they don't have to nerf flay, flay is made for single target/boss build, blizzard can simply introduce more content that require more aoe dmg.
We went from Beavis to the Rickrolled meme I see
I really don't care about season 4 anymore, when season 5 is suppose to launch? Btw, thanks for the content Rob!
August 6th - thanks mate 👍🏻
Blizzard need to re-tune the damage and enemy life values to a lower value. It will not feel like a nerf since the intention is to synchronize the reduction with the player damage and enemy life. That way, we will not see these absurd numbers. By the time DLC came, D4 would have overlapped D3 with the insane damage numbers.
How would this list look like without any mythic uniques? That would be more realistic, especially for a start of a season.
Rob: basic build is bad every build is basic is not healthy..
Meanwhile every season is barb season. And that's healthy 😊
I hope they buff the lightning spear sorc, because it looks fun.
I'm still missing loadouts and more focus on support roles.
So basically the same builds as S4...got it. SO glad NCAA Football 25 comes out on the 19th!
why do they cap dmg. If we cant even do with a good build t 150? whats the point on nerving every build. Every Build should do Trillion Damage if the Boss have tons of Life
hopefully the last patch before s5 DOESNT nerf to the ground the new uniques! BASHHHNATIONNNNN REJOICEEEEE
I havent ever gotten a character good enough to even fight lilith due to not having alot of time and some really bad rng. And ive never looked at build vids or websites because i think it takes the fun and creativity out of rpgs when you simply copy and paste what you see on a youtube video. But i didnt think there would be that many good basic builds already. I was really excited checking out the new uniques because i always wanted to try making a really good basic build but i always fell a bit short of great. I only have 1 level 100 and ive been playing the same druid since launch trying to make a great build with the claw and i got a level 58 barb that i tried to make a frenzy build.
Nasa is jealous of how much RAM is his computer. He has more tabs open than NASA has sticks of ram.
Am I the only one that the fly ruture causes lag at high levels? starting at 154 or 150+ when casting rupture takes many seconds to explode many times you die because of this delay.
Danke!
The crown of Lucion is not getting a Nerf because the barb can use it 😂
They need to put ball light bug back in game so sorc can do some dmg and be fun again.
So tired of barb being the best class
Why are basic skills scaling better than CORE skills for barbs. Thats what I want Blizz to freaking respond to. This is ludicrous….