My honest thoughts: The show had great potential but the writing, pacing, and direction were terrible. The action scenes were good, but couldn’t save it. They had several big name actors, the actor who played Sol was my favorite, especially because he tried to be a Qui-Gon Jinn type of Jedi, and learned English to be on the show. Manny Jacinto, the villain was a good actor as well. The pacing of the episodes and the way the episodes progressed was bad, and could have been done better. Making the episodes longer could have helped and improved dialogue would have been a great help. The backstory episodes about the twins could have been better, and the pacing in those episodes could have been better. The Wookiee Jedi was a major letdown because I hoped to see a lot of him in action, and they killed him offscreen. Also they greatly altered the canon by depicting Plagueis and Ki-Adi Mundi long before they would have been active. Darth Tenebrus would have been better to see, especially the sight of a Bith Sith Lord would have been cool. In conclusion it didn’t fail because it was “woke” but because it lacked proper pacing, the episodes should have been longer for the buildup to the story and had subpar dialogue.
I've stated many times It's not hard. Give us good stories and writing, awesome new characters, and respect the established lore and characters. Also great video btw!
I have a love/hate relationship with this show: My problems are with how nobody knows how to use the force, especially Disney. Why Qimir (the sith) was wearing a helmet, as if he's supposed to be Darth Vader. Also, how does no one recognise him? The former padawans all grew up with him, and all the veteran jedi definitely saw him with Vernestra. Lightsabers no longer being deadly weapons that burn through anything they touch, including people. And horrible writing. These are only a few of my problems. But besides all that, this show had the potential to be good. Maybe if John Favreau, Dave Filoni or George lucas was behind this, it wouldn't have been cancelled.
Qimir's helmet is made of cortosis, a rare and brittle metal that can short out lightsabers; it's a thing from SW Legends/the old EU. It makes sense he'd wear one when going to battle another lightsaber user, plus he's using it to conceal his identity. It looks quite goofy but honestly that's true for other Sith helmets as well, imo. Disney has a very bad track record with characters shrugging off lightsaber injuries, but in the Acolyte, they are pretty deadly and they cause damage to the surroundings as well. I agree, this show could have been good with better writing. It was a huge disappointment.
@@ralphfrederickdouglas I know Cortosis came from the comics, so it made that fight scene make a lot more sense to me. That metal is the only thing that can shrug off lightsaber attacks. But is cortosis immune to the force too? But I meant to ask how does no one recognise Qimir when he's in the market? He wasn't even trying to hide when the jedi all approached him and he was acting goofy. Even when he lost his helmet in every jedi battle. Lazy, horrible writing that doesn't make sense at all. I think the potential was in Darth Plageuis creating those girls and letting those witches think they did it. Or him teaching the witches the very basics of creating life.
I just watched all of it and it's perfectly okay. Perfect? No. Perfectly sufficient for an introductory season yes. The AntiWoke brigade were hysterical.
Yes. The idea of setting a mystery in the High Republic had a lot of potential. At first, the show was just mid, but as it went on the poor development and mean spiritedness and amorality of the show became apparent. It is implied in the prequels that the prophecy may be false, and it is established as a Sith ability. I don't have a problem lore wise with it being used elsewhere except it was lame when Lucas did it and get less interesting every time it's recycled. For Anakin, being Fatherless explains why he clung to Qui-Gon and then Palpatine so quickly, but there are many ways to be fatherless. And you could argue it's why Qui-Gon takes an interest, or people miss the warning signs, but I think there were better alternatives for those aspects as well. The problem with the Force baby plot in Acolyte is that it was unnecessary and had no impact on the plot or characters. There was no reason not to let them be normal twins. Particularly if you want to deal with LGBT issues, there's many alternatives to make a baby that are much easier and have dramatic potential and more relatable conflicts. You needed some reason for the Jedi to return against orders, but you had vergence in the well... Or they could have sensed the danger to Osha from the fire and gone to help.
I wonder how many of the people involved with this show (behind the cameras) are going to just quietly disavow any association with it. The writing was beyond abysmal, the acting was bad (and a lot of that was probably due to terrible direction as well,) the amount of money spent on the show didn't reflect in what we saw on-screen. I've seen bad shows and movies with the name "Star Wars" stamped on them, but The Acolyte actually seems like the first open display of disrespect for the franchise that it's a part of.
I don't understand how liking or disliking the Acolyte became such a political thing. If you dislike the show, you are labeled as a alt right extremist. This is Star Wars for crying out loud. We are allowed to say what we think about a product. Especially if it is something we hold dear to our heart. I agree 100% with all of your points here. And it is sad that what Disney is doing to Star Wars right now is despicable. The only good thing that has come out of Disney Star Wars Rouge One.
From my eyes, almost all the fans wanted it to be good leading up to it. Announcements on Disney's end were made in bad taste leading up to it. They made literal business decisions and allowed activists to infiltrate a space of science-fiction. When the show came out, it had a weird start. The people who seem to have made it the most political are the people who fall somewhere between emotionally flippant and politically radical. Their assumptions insinuated this isn't one of the most accepting and diverse communities of the last half a century. A fanbase so large and so storied, that it could even be considered a community. It's basically like if you hire people who aren't mechanics to work on your car, and then they say "well we haven't really seen a mechanic shop hire this many people with our experience level to work on cars before" praising it as an amazing new thing, and when the car runs like shit, blaming the other non-mechanics who like sick-looking high-functioning cars.
And Solo and Andor and most of the Mandolorian and a huge chunk of Obi-Wan and Ashoka and Boba Fett riding a RANCOR. And finishing the Clone Wars and The Bad Batch. But besides all those things what has Disney ever done for us?
yes, yes it is. The light saber fight in ep 5 is good. But the entire show is fucking mess. Dialogue awful. Writing awful. Direction awful. Coreography? Pretty good.
I also think the Acolyte wasn't that good, but I just wanted to correct you on the plot holes you mentioned, the witched didn't use the force to create the twins via the force like Anakin, they solely used the power of the vergence on brendok (kind of like the vergence on the dagobah cave) to divide an infant into two beings. Ki-adi-mundi's appearence doesn't invalidate his line in TPM because the incindent of the series was covered up by Venestra, so he had no way of suspecting the sith were involved. That being said I agree that the story wasn't that good, I just think we should focuse on good criticisms instead of misunderstandings.
Fair enough. I appreciate your weighing in! I definitely see what you're saying. I still think it undermined that a little but this is what I love about Star Wars fans! We can all agree to disagree and that's ok! I appreciate you!
The show said they were "created" with no father. So they split them to explain why they weren't as powerful as Anakin, but it was Force baby creation. It's why they gave Plageus a cameo. I don't think it breaks lore because the prequels are a Greek tragedy where prophecy mucks things up by trying to either avoid it or force it. The point is that Anakin was not what they assumed. However the Acolyte doesn't do anything with the concept so it feels cheap and tacked on.
I think the biggest problem with The Acolyte is poor writing. Stone structure burning up so quickly. Bazil sabotaging Sol's ship that could have easily led to a lethal crash. A Sith acolyte attacking in the open. The ridiculous Parent Trap setup. All of this could be quite easily improved: The mine contains some flammable ore/gas. Mae escapes because Sol crashes on an asteroid during the chase, there are enough asteroids that no sabotage is needed. Mae kills two Jedi - Torbin and Kelnacca - unseen, until she fails a stealth check with Indara and that kickstarts the plot. It's shown that Sol immediately realizes he isn't dealing with Osha but he pretends to fall for Mae's deception to capture her. On the other hand, personally I don't mind the twins being Force-born. Plagueis is involved; for all we know, he might be studying the Brendok vergence to find out how the witch was impregnated and whether it was spontaneous or some Dark Side rituals were needed. Or he might have helped the witches conceive from the Force. The timeline *in his case* is not a problem - Plagueis was over a hundred standard years old when he took Sheev as an Apprentice. However, The Acolyte takes place around 132 BBY, and the Bal'demnic explosion happened in 67 BBY, so Plagueis is still Tenebrous' Apprentice, which would make Mae or Osha an apprentice of an apprentice of an Apprentice. It's Sith all the way down.
You lost me when you stated you are "true" fan ... as if there are any other kind ... You either are fan or not ... lets not pretend its more complex than that. Luckily the video have only six minutes, so i will listen to it, but i felt like this should be said. //Edit: Ok, few corections ... 1) Twins were not "created" by the Force ... they were alterned ... split you could say. It was stated multiple times in the show that they were originaly single person, within two bodies. 2) It was never stated in front of Ki-Adi-Mundi, that the person they were "a Sith" ... On the contrary, in every scene where is "official" conversation, in front of witnesses ... everyone keep talking about fallen aprentices and splinter groups. This show had lots of problems ... Horrible dialogues, terrible length, lack of understanding of its lore core ideas, inconsistent characters who act in direct contradiction to their decisions they made not even whole second before, or crown jewel of stupidity: Plan of master Vernestra to blame Sol for being corupted individual, in order to calm a suspicious senator, who is affraid that one day corrupted individual might appear among Jedi. But those two points you mentioned dont seem to be valid, sory. 😕
@@ChoseeComprende I see what you're saying. I meant it in the realm of I'm not jumping on some type of band wagon here for views like some other channels might do. I'm, like y'all, a true star wars fan ☺️. Thanks for giving it a listen
My honest thoughts: The show had great potential but the writing, pacing, and direction were terrible. The action scenes were good, but couldn’t save it. They had several big name actors, the actor who played Sol was my favorite, especially because he tried to be a Qui-Gon Jinn type of Jedi, and learned English to be on the show. Manny Jacinto, the villain was a good actor as well. The pacing of the episodes and the way the episodes progressed was bad, and could have been done better. Making the episodes longer could have helped and improved dialogue would have been a great help. The backstory episodes about the twins could have been better, and the pacing in those episodes could have been better. The Wookiee Jedi was a major letdown because I hoped to see a lot of him in action, and they killed him offscreen. Also they greatly altered the canon by depicting Plagueis and Ki-Adi Mundi long before they would have been active. Darth Tenebrus would have been better to see, especially the sight of a Bith Sith Lord would have been cool. In conclusion it didn’t fail because it was “woke” but because it lacked proper pacing, the episodes should have been longer for the buildup to the story and had subpar dialogue.
I've stated many times
It's not hard. Give us good stories and writing, awesome new characters, and respect the established lore and characters.
Also great video btw!
Guess it’s good that I missed this show then
I have a love/hate relationship with this show: My problems are with how nobody knows how to use the force, especially Disney. Why Qimir (the sith) was wearing a helmet, as if he's supposed to be Darth Vader. Also, how does no one recognise him? The former padawans all grew up with him, and all the veteran jedi definitely saw him with Vernestra. Lightsabers no longer being deadly weapons that burn through anything they touch, including people. And horrible writing. These are only a few of my problems.
But besides all that, this show had the potential to be good. Maybe if John Favreau, Dave Filoni or George lucas was behind this, it wouldn't have been cancelled.
Qimir's helmet is made of cortosis, a rare and brittle metal that can short out lightsabers; it's a thing from SW Legends/the old EU. It makes sense he'd wear one when going to battle another lightsaber user, plus he's using it to conceal his identity. It looks quite goofy but honestly that's true for other Sith helmets as well, imo.
Disney has a very bad track record with characters shrugging off lightsaber injuries, but in the Acolyte, they are pretty deadly and they cause damage to the surroundings as well.
I agree, this show could have been good with better writing. It was a huge disappointment.
@@ralphfrederickdouglas I know Cortosis came from the comics, so it made that fight scene make a lot more sense to me. That metal is the only thing that can shrug off lightsaber attacks. But is cortosis immune to the force too?
But I meant to ask how does no one recognise Qimir when he's in the market? He wasn't even trying to hide when the jedi all approached him and he was acting goofy. Even when he lost his helmet in every jedi battle.
Lazy, horrible writing that doesn't make sense at all.
I think the potential was in Darth Plageuis creating those girls and letting those witches think they did it. Or him teaching the witches the very basics of creating life.
I just watched all of it and it's perfectly okay. Perfect? No. Perfectly sufficient for an introductory season yes. The AntiWoke brigade were hysterical.
Agreed
Yes. The idea of setting a mystery in the High Republic had a lot of potential. At first, the show was just mid, but as it went on the poor development and mean spiritedness and amorality of the show became apparent.
It is implied in the prequels that the prophecy may be false, and it is established as a Sith ability. I don't have a problem lore wise with it being used elsewhere except it was lame when Lucas did it and get less interesting every time it's recycled. For Anakin, being Fatherless explains why he clung to Qui-Gon and then Palpatine so quickly, but there are many ways to be fatherless. And you could argue it's why Qui-Gon takes an interest, or people miss the warning signs, but I think there were better alternatives for those aspects as well.
The problem with the Force baby plot in Acolyte is that it was unnecessary and had no impact on the plot or characters. There was no reason not to let them be normal twins. Particularly if you want to deal with LGBT issues, there's many alternatives to make a baby that are much easier and have dramatic potential and more relatable conflicts. You needed some reason for the Jedi to return against orders, but you had vergence in the well... Or they could have sensed the danger to Osha from the fire and gone to help.
Man I did not know there were still star wars fans left in the world. I feel like I have seen a unicorn now
I wonder how many of the people involved with this show (behind the cameras) are going to just quietly disavow any association with it. The writing was beyond abysmal, the acting was bad (and a lot of that was probably due to terrible direction as well,) the amount of money spent on the show didn't reflect in what we saw on-screen. I've seen bad shows and movies with the name "Star Wars" stamped on them, but The Acolyte actually seems like the first open display of disrespect for the franchise that it's a part of.
It’s even worse than what they’ve been saying
I don't understand how liking or disliking the Acolyte became such a political thing. If you dislike the show, you are labeled as a alt right extremist. This is Star Wars for crying out loud. We are allowed to say what we think about a product. Especially if it is something we hold dear to our heart. I agree 100% with all of your points here. And it is sad that what Disney is doing to Star Wars right now is despicable. The only good thing that has come out of Disney Star Wars Rouge One.
From my eyes, almost all the fans wanted it to be good leading up to it. Announcements on Disney's end were made in bad taste leading up to it. They made literal business decisions and allowed activists to infiltrate a space of science-fiction. When the show came out, it had a weird start. The people who seem to have made it the most political are the people who fall somewhere between emotionally flippant and politically radical. Their assumptions insinuated this isn't one of the most accepting and diverse communities of the last half a century. A fanbase so large and so storied, that it could even be considered a community. It's basically like if you hire people who aren't mechanics to work on your car, and then they say "well we haven't really seen a mechanic shop hire this many people with our experience level to work on cars before" praising it as an amazing new thing, and when the car runs like shit, blaming the other non-mechanics who like sick-looking high-functioning cars.
And Solo and Andor and most of the Mandolorian and a huge chunk of Obi-Wan and Ashoka and Boba Fett riding a RANCOR. And finishing the Clone Wars and The Bad Batch. But besides all those things what has Disney ever done for us?
yes, yes it is. The light saber fight in ep 5 is good. But the entire show is fucking mess. Dialogue awful. Writing awful. Direction awful. Coreography? Pretty good.
Coudnt have said it better myself. I feel like for 240mil, we deserved better.
Yes
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I also think the Acolyte wasn't that good, but I just wanted to correct you on the plot holes you mentioned, the witched didn't use the force to create the twins via the force like Anakin, they solely used the power of the vergence on brendok (kind of like the vergence on the dagobah cave) to divide an infant into two beings. Ki-adi-mundi's appearence doesn't invalidate his line in TPM because the incindent of the series was covered up by Venestra, so he had no way of suspecting the sith were involved. That being said I agree that the story wasn't that good, I just think we should focuse on good criticisms instead of misunderstandings.
Fair enough. I appreciate your weighing in! I definitely see what you're saying. I still think it undermined that a little but this is what I love about Star Wars fans! We can all agree to disagree and that's ok! I appreciate you!
@@StarWarsGazer Yeah good luck with your videos.
Just out of curiosity: how about Ki-Adi-Mundi’s original timeline? Didn’t they have to alter it to fit in the Acolyte’s timeline?
The show said they were "created" with no father. So they split them to explain why they weren't as powerful as Anakin, but it was Force baby creation. It's why they gave Plageus a cameo.
I don't think it breaks lore because the prequels are a Greek tragedy where prophecy mucks things up by trying to either avoid it or force it. The point is that Anakin was not what they assumed.
However the Acolyte doesn't do anything with the concept so it feels cheap and tacked on.
Yes. Next slide
Yes.
I think the biggest problem with The Acolyte is poor writing. Stone structure burning up so quickly. Bazil sabotaging Sol's ship that could have easily led to a lethal crash. A Sith acolyte attacking in the open. The ridiculous Parent Trap setup. All of this could be quite easily improved: The mine contains some flammable ore/gas. Mae escapes because Sol crashes on an asteroid during the chase, there are enough asteroids that no sabotage is needed. Mae kills two Jedi - Torbin and Kelnacca - unseen, until she fails a stealth check with Indara and that kickstarts the plot. It's shown that Sol immediately realizes he isn't dealing with Osha but he pretends to fall for Mae's deception to capture her.
On the other hand, personally I don't mind the twins being Force-born. Plagueis is involved; for all we know, he might be studying the Brendok vergence to find out how the witch was impregnated and whether it was spontaneous or some Dark Side rituals were needed. Or he might have helped the witches conceive from the Force. The timeline *in his case* is not a problem - Plagueis was over a hundred standard years old when he took Sheev as an Apprentice. However, The Acolyte takes place around 132 BBY, and the Bal'demnic explosion happened in 67 BBY, so Plagueis is still Tenebrous' Apprentice, which would make Mae or Osha an apprentice of an apprentice of an Apprentice. It's Sith all the way down.
You lost me when you stated you are "true" fan ... as if there are any other kind ...
You either are fan or not ... lets not pretend its more complex than that.
Luckily the video have only six minutes, so i will listen to it, but i felt like this should be said.
//Edit:
Ok, few corections ...
1) Twins were not "created" by the Force ... they were alterned ... split you could say.
It was stated multiple times in the show that they were originaly single person, within two bodies.
2) It was never stated in front of Ki-Adi-Mundi, that the person they were "a Sith" ...
On the contrary, in every scene where is "official" conversation, in front of witnesses ... everyone keep talking about fallen aprentices and splinter groups.
This show had lots of problems ...
Horrible dialogues, terrible length, lack of understanding of its lore core ideas, inconsistent characters who act in direct contradiction to their decisions they made not even whole second before, or crown jewel of stupidity: Plan of master Vernestra to blame Sol for being corupted individual, in order to calm a suspicious senator, who is affraid that one day corrupted individual might appear among Jedi.
But those two points you mentioned dont seem to be valid, sory. 😕
@@ChoseeComprende I see what you're saying. I meant it in the realm of I'm not jumping on some type of band wagon here for views like some other channels might do. I'm, like y'all, a true star wars fan ☺️. Thanks for giving it a listen