Great video. Nailed it. I have owned and still do too many sticks and throttles and love the Winwing brand overall. I've never had an issue with them and had them for a few years now.
I think another big issue with the winwing Orion 2 is that it doesn’t have a twisting feature which can be a deal breaker for a lot of people without ruder pedals
I will never hold that against a replica stick. O2 is a replica stick of aircraft, which don't have twist. That's one of those things that is a nice to have if you need it, otherwise a total non factor.
@@FalconsLedge yeah, but a lot of people who are in the market for getting it probably don’t care that much about it being a replica, and on subreddits it seems like one of the main factors pushing people towards the vkb gladiator over the Orion 2 is the lack of twist capability
@@FalconsLedge fair enough, I just think that as a mid tier HOTAS, a twist stick is still pretty important because not many people in that price range have rudder pedals, but the Orion 2 is also in a bit of a weird price range where it’s kind of high mid price range to low high end, so I can see why they didn’t include a twist, especially because it’s supposed to be replica
I had the x-55 and I completely agree with your review of the x56. I really like my nxt but it seems to have connectivity issues and needs to be replaced. Very disappointing because I have it for 3-4 years of very lightly use and the shipping for this kind of thing can cost third to half the cost so replacing them frequently is a real pain... Looking forward to your top tier video!
Nicely nuanced consideration of features, quality and especially the older generation-technology tolerances. I respectfully offer that the X56 should be a D given your narrative of "don't buy it" .
Well, is rather have that over a x52, and I don't know if I'd buy it over a T16K, so I stuck it there, but I definitely wanted to repeat my recommendation on just stepping over that land mine ;)
Well. I'm stuck. First of all, I'll acknowledge your very consistent views re: X56. Part of the issue is that it ends up being categorized as costing $250, when at times it is discounted. Now being one of those times. So I'll try to put my struggle here in hopes you will aid my decision. So, iirc you thought if Logi sold the throttle by itself, that might be worthwhile. It so happens I have a couple lightly used Logi Force 3D about. I took a break from gaming for a while & am frankly shocked FF isn't ubiquitous & is only now making a comeback (WTAF $$$). Trying SWSquadrons, I decided I'd rather have more buttons, though I freaking love my stick & given I'm not about to spend the mad money, nor do I have the space for a full rig, I'm really REALLY torn. You, among others, have made a convincing case for the Ursas but I think they look cheap. They do at least have rumble though, which the Orion2 setup at the top end of what I'm considering also has, and would likely outlast the rest mentioned, but I don't understand, and I wish reviewers covered, how it would set up and function for rudder, as I have no interest in pedals. I'd probably prefer the HOTAS to the HOSAS. Bottom line, nothing is checking all the boxes for me. So my options, as I see them: 1. X56 & just swap the stick ($170) 2. The Ursa HOSAS pair. ($230) 3. An Ursa Orion2 set ($430) more than I wanted to pay plus no rudder twist. I suppose theoretically there's 4. The VKB Gladiator pair which would come in around ($330)? but no rumble even & I'm unsure if you can set left to a non-centering HOTAS-like setup the way you can with the Ursa Minors. So I'm plopping that down in your lap & see what you figure bc I am right stuck. What say you?
There is no rudder setup for Orion 2 at this time. They once offered a z axis module, but it's not been available for some time. Orion is geared towards aviation with pedals. In terms of Ursa it is certainly not high end in quality but it absolutely dominates Logitech in quality, it's not even close.
VKB gladiators are great, but no free shipping so it will be almost 400. Orion 2 is an amazing value. For space dual stick is best. So the Ursa pair is a great value. X56 throttle is ok, but not great. I'd buy two ursas over the x56 throttle any day.
@@FalconsLedgeThanks very much for the super quick reply. Appreciate it. I was under the impression people mapped a hat to rudders but it wasn't actually specified anywhere. I really wish the Ursa minor buttons didn't look like such garbage, but I guess I'll probably just grit my jaw. Do you think the left space stick would work alongside my good ole Wingman Force?
@juanalejandrosotto6217 metal internals matter. And $40 more for all metal is a massive value. The gladiator is good, but since WW went free shipping, they are without a doubt the value king right now.
Great video. Nailed it. I have owned and still do too many sticks and throttles and love the Winwing brand overall. I've never had an issue with them and had them for a few years now.
Thanks for helping sort my thinking (some. LoL)
Thank you very much, I love to be able to help!
Orion is an easy S tier, well done on the review
@@DanielDrake look forward to doing the high tier with you, way more fun
The Crusader soundtrack still slaps.
I think another big issue with the winwing Orion 2 is that it doesn’t have a twisting feature which can be a deal breaker for a lot of people without ruder pedals
I will never hold that against a replica stick. O2 is a replica stick of aircraft, which don't have twist.
That's one of those things that is a nice to have if you need it, otherwise a total non factor.
@@FalconsLedge yeah, but a lot of people who are in the market for getting it probably don’t care that much about it being a replica, and on subreddits it seems like one of the main factors pushing people towards the vkb gladiator over the Orion 2 is the lack of twist capability
@mrcat5508 I don't disagree that it wouldn't help it, is just not something I'm going to hold against it considering it's intended use case
@@FalconsLedge fair enough, I just think that as a mid tier HOTAS, a twist stick is still pretty important because not many people in that price range have rudder pedals, but the Orion 2 is also in a bit of a weird price range where it’s kind of high mid price range to low high end, so I can see why they didn’t include a twist, especially because it’s supposed to be replica
@mrcat5508 cost/complexity/intended use, but also at the time they offered a z axis module you could add
I had the x-55 and I completely agree with your review of the x56. I really like my nxt but it seems to have connectivity issues and needs to be replaced. Very disappointing because I have it for 3-4 years of very lightly use and the shipping for this kind of thing can cost third to half the cost so replacing them frequently is a real pain... Looking forward to your top tier video!
Nicely nuanced consideration of features, quality and especially the older generation-technology tolerances. I respectfully offer that the X56 should be a D given your narrative of "don't buy it" .
Well, is rather have that over a x52, and I don't know if I'd buy it over a T16K, so I stuck it there, but I definitely wanted to repeat my recommendation on just stepping over that land mine ;)
Thank you for the VOD. Great Information.
Will you be doing a higher tier level for the 300+ sticks? 🥃🥃
@@WhiskeyHunterVAT69 yup
Well. I'm stuck. First of all, I'll acknowledge your very consistent views re: X56. Part of the issue is that it ends up being categorized as costing $250, when at times it is discounted. Now being one of those times. So I'll try to put my struggle here in hopes you will aid my decision.
So, iirc you thought if Logi sold the throttle by itself, that might be worthwhile. It so happens I have a couple lightly used Logi Force 3D about. I took a break from gaming for a while & am frankly shocked FF isn't ubiquitous & is only now making a comeback (WTAF $$$). Trying SWSquadrons, I decided I'd rather have more buttons, though I freaking love my stick & given I'm not about to spend the mad money, nor do I have the space for a full rig, I'm really REALLY torn. You, among others, have made a convincing case for the Ursas but I think they look cheap. They do at least have rumble though, which the Orion2 setup at the top end of what I'm considering also has, and would likely outlast the rest mentioned, but I don't understand, and I wish reviewers covered, how it would set up and function for rudder, as I have no interest in pedals. I'd probably prefer the HOTAS to the HOSAS. Bottom line, nothing is checking all the boxes for me. So my options, as I see them:
1. X56 & just swap the stick ($170)
2. The Ursa HOSAS pair. ($230)
3. An Ursa Orion2 set ($430) more than I wanted to pay plus no rudder twist.
I suppose theoretically there's 4. The VKB Gladiator pair which would come in around ($330)? but no rumble even & I'm unsure if you can set left to a non-centering HOTAS-like setup the way you can with the Ursa Minors.
So I'm plopping that down in your lap & see what you figure bc I am right stuck. What say you?
FFB was held back by a patent that expired a couple years ago. It will gain some market share now.
There is no rudder setup for Orion 2 at this time. They once offered a z axis module, but it's not been available for some time. Orion is geared towards aviation with pedals.
In terms of Ursa it is certainly not high end in quality but it absolutely dominates Logitech in quality, it's not even close.
VKB gladiators are great, but no free shipping so it will be almost 400.
Orion 2 is an amazing value. For space dual stick is best. So the Ursa pair is a great value.
X56 throttle is ok, but not great. I'd buy two ursas over the x56 throttle any day.
@@FalconsLedgeThanks very much for the super quick reply. Appreciate it. I was under the impression people mapped a hat to rudders but it wasn't actually specified anywhere. I really wish the Ursa minor buttons didn't look like such garbage, but I guess I'll probably just grit my jaw. Do you think the left space stick would work alongside my good ole Wingman Force?
@TheTawniest i mean, there is the shaker kit that has a thumb stick, and that would work.
What game is this in the video? The space sim?
Squadron 42
@FalconsLedge thanks!
Vkb still the best value for money
@juanalejandrosotto6217 metal internals matter. And $40 more for all metal is a massive value. The gladiator is good, but since WW went free shipping, they are without a doubt the value king right now.
Winwing Ursa Minor. Worth looking at due to shipping being included for NA at least.
That doesn't fit into this price category. Look at my value category ac free weeks ago
They had a previous video where the ursa minor was featured
Next time please don't put something in s tier and then move it after i think thats kinda shitty for people just trying to get the bottom line
@Smood47 it stayed S Tier dude.