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Dual Winwing ursas, 115 each free delivery in the us

How many combat sim sticks have they released in the last decade? Zero, dead ecosystem, not being developed, nothing new on the way aka dead

@ Makes sense I just wanted to clarify what you meant 👍

@Lucky_Gamer4876 you bet. Just know it's not personal, if Logitech came out with an updated stick that was great tomorrow, I'd be singing their praises.

@@RedTTHayo you have no idea how happy that makes me to save someone from this pain.

@@縞鰺-o3c well I decided to fly to the center of the galaxy in elite dangerous one day and it took me 3 days off jumping. I picked it off a little at a time. That was 10 or so years ago

@@FalconsLedge you literally peeled it off manually? Guess I'll have to plan a trip to Sagittarius A* myself. 😅

@@縞鰺-o3c Yep! I peeled it off going to that grouping of worlds that is fairly close to the core, I didn't actually go to Sag A. I haven't played ED in ages, I prefer the SC loops.

I'll contact the owner and let him know there is a problem.

@@rumalus category 1 is already done posted about a month ago, category 2 coming this week, cat 3 probably 2 weeks, category 4 late Nov!

@@rumalus for your post here specifically, for beginners I've been recommending the Winwing Ursa minor, is a huge value for the buck. For someone looking to upgrade from the x56 id suggest a tad more than 350, spend 420 and go for Winwing Orion 2 If you are limited to 350 specifically and no more I think I'd go for Ursa Minor for primary hand, Ursa Minor omni for off hand, another great option for that price would be Gladiator NXT and TM TWCS. If we are including shipping the top end products outside of Winwing are tough to get a full hotas under $500. VKB offers one, the NXT and STECS, it's a good setup, but for 500 of my dollars, I'd want metal internals, which unfortunately the VKB solution I mentioned just doesn't offer. And that's not a knock on VKB, their hardware is really good. Best of the best, well that becomes very subjective. If really depends on what you do. In the top end the Winwing Orion 2 falls a tad behind in features and finish internally. The VKB gunfighter 4 is a great solution when paired with the MCGU grip. The sad part is that there isn't a left hand version, and there is not a metal equivalent throttle offered yet from VKB. They say there is I've coming, so that will help their top end offerings. For Virpil, the warBRD is I'd say if fairly similar to the gunfighter, certainly in specs and features. The gunfighter handles extensions better. The Virpil T50CM3 gimbal is the best spring/cam gimbal on the market. The downside with Virpil is that the Constellation grips have some issues in my opinion, so much so that I won't use them. Now, they do offer the new FLNKR grip, but I haven't used it yet, but I am interested. They also have the new aero grips which appear to have addressed some of my issues with the Constellation. So I'm eager to try them out. There are other options for grips like Thrustmaster, Tianhang, realism, etc. so that's the route in took. Furthermore, what you select really depends on what you do. If you fly helos definitely go for the T50CM3 if you are going spring/cam. Best dead stick experience I've had. But then you get into the force feedback options, and force sensing options. Software is a big deal in FFB, right now id say VPFORCE has an advantage here. FFBeast and Brunner are VERY expensive. Moza has decent hardware from what I can see, but their software is a bit behind. They are closing the gap so we will see how that goes. We also have Winwing coming out with a FFB very soon, Virpil and VKB sometime in the future. Force sensing I recommend if you fly majority F16, otherwise stick with the spring/cam or FFB. Tianhang is a great bang for your buck option here, things like realsim is an option if you want to spend a fortune. WW offers a Force sensing unit, it's ok, but I recommend if it you want to go force sensing, best to just go with a Force sensing base from the beginning.

@@FalconsLedgeThanks for taking the time and writing such a detailed answer!

@@rumalus it's what I'm here for! To help folks out!

@@cammy9r yeah I agree on the Arduino thing

@@sparrowlt the VKB pedals are very accurate, and easy to use. They will help your helicopter flying quite a bit over the Logitech. And if you don't need your brakes even better! One great thing about them is that they are made for use in an office chair unlike most replica style pedals

@@FalconsLedge I tought the toe brakes would be important but the more i use the logitech the less covinced i am because i use an office chair...my cockpit is a desktop so i cant "bolt" anything down and i do move the chair with moving the pedals .. and in the other hand i dont know if its the logitech or me i find hard to fine tune the helicopter inputs with them..for planes i dont use them as until now the NXT Gladiator twist worked quite fine for that and i was even begining to fly helios with that twist.. but it became clear pedals were necesary

@@sparrowlt VKB pedals will serve you well

@@bad_blood_studios I saw that Etsy was having an issue

@@RaccoonRezillo I used pliers

@@FalconsLedge I worry on breaking it with pliers and hard to find ones that be small enough XD Aside of doing that, I really don't want to have to go back and forth putting spring on then taking it off saying I'm screwing it to a mount and switching between 2 games that I want it on or then off... Star Citizen I want it on, then DCS I want it off. Is there a possible way to just code it or use some sort of driver (which I can't also seem to find one that made just for it) to make the left axis up and down be as a relative control so it like the throttle would go up more from it position more you push up and then when it centers, it stops moving the throttle? Would that be possible or is it just easier to keep on removing and adding back that spring every single time I switch games? XD

@@RaccoonRezillo they have these well for the lack of a better term ... Zit poppers from Walgreens that could easily remove and reinstall them

@@DeadCells205 absolutely, two Winwing ursas, among others

@@checkyoursix7401 honestly most would be satisfied with this ICP. Some would not.

@@DanielDrake always!

@@vikingcat794 yeah they had some issues today, but usually it works fine. It could be an Etsy issue

@@westleighcrain4613 that review is next Monday

@Daisudori yes it can be used that way just tighten z clutches and remove z spring.

@@nielskistrup8231 I liked the Thrustmaster grips. Check out my review of the constellation alpha grip to see why.

@@Flexi030derechteballertyp ja, das ist eine Schimpftirade, und sie hat es zu 100 % verdient. Im Jahr 2024 ist das absolut nicht der Rede wert, ein schreckliches Produkt.

@@Flexi030derechteballertyp Ich wollte eine ausführliche Rezension schreiben, fand es aber so schlimm, dass ich es zurückgab. Ich hatte kein Interesse daran, damit zu filmen. Ich bin fast einen Monat damit geflogen, was meine übliche Rezensionszeit ist.

@@JOHNREBELIV ah yes, the "I've had it for a long time, so it must be good" fallacy. I don't come to this conclusion just by pulling it out of my backside. I've used this device, and all of its competitors. This thing is an absolute pile of crap, and nobody should buy it. And what's worse is it's made by a company that hasn't created anything new in this industry in a decade. Don't invest in hardware from a company that doesn't give a crap about your hobby. Maybe it was a good buy when you bought it, but there are better options today in that price range like Winwing ursa and gladiator NXT. Lasting a long time isn't a feature that sets devices apart in this industry, it's a standard, almost every device at this price point and above will last that long. There is nothing wrong with you liking it. Lots of people like a lot of objectively bad things, and that's just fine, but my videos are out here to help people avoid potholes like this device.

@@FalconsLedge I will admit, there are options leagues better than the x56, and possibly cheaper, however calling it a complete pile of crap is just plain wrong. Also the bit about it being overpriced is sorta wrong? Idk I picked it up for 200 bucks tops brand new and it worked fine out of the box My point is, it's not a total piece of junk, That's fine if you don't recommend it, but calling something it a total waste of money and time is just a bit wrong imo.

@@JOHNREBELIV it is an absolute waste of money in 2024, there are better devices out there for the same money. Don't give a company your money that doesn't give a crap about your hobby. Also, if I think its a pile of crap, I have every right to say it. You can believe its not, thats fine too. As someone who has used both the X56 AND all its competitors, My opinion is based on experience, and analysis. Have a nice day.

@@FalconsLedge fair enough, good day to you as well.

O I may of answered my own question that u mention they both have that issue so I guess doesn’t matter then XD

@@RaccoonRezillo yeah they both have the bump like you said, you get used to it and it doesn't cause huge issues

@@FalconsLedge appreciate it ^-^ and great review videos, does help everyone decide when there plenty of reviews as I did also looked at few others giving good reviews on this.

@@object1084 lol having something for a long time doesn't mean it's not poor quality. Welcome to sunk cost fallacy land.

@@FalconsLedge so tell me what isnt over priced and made out crap this day and age almost anything you buy is not made to last

@@object1084 two Winwing Ursa minors, same price as the x56 but many times better in every respect. Have a great day.

@@object1084 I totally get it man, you have a device, you see a video saying don't buy it. So you watch, and disagree, not because what I'm saying isn't true, but you like the device, and because this is the best thing you've used for an extended time, and I'm sure you researched your purchase (a decade ago) you believe you have the best bang for your buck. And at one time you did . The problem is, Logitech bought the company that produced the x56, and did absolutely nothing with it. No innovation, no improvements, no new products for the ecosystem. Why? Because combat sims aren't mice, or audio devices, by comparison it's super niche, and so Logitech doesn't give a crap about combat sims. It's a dead ecosystem. I created my channel years ago to help people get the best bang for your buck. And I seek to help people avoid problematic devices Like..... Products in a dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't care about their hobby. If you want to know where my opinion. On this device comes from, it's because I've used ALL of it's competitors l, and weighed it's cost vs features vs quality, and all of Logitechs products can't even break the C Tier it's not good.

its a chuck away wold buddie they make stuff now that is made to break hell I still got my first logitech mouse and keyboard got in the late 80s back then things where made right this day and age its all plastic and spat out in the millions so if you want a really good one your going to have give them a arm or a leg and pay lots but your right though that stick is way over priced and sorry I got the x52 not x 56 so I take back my first comment

@@nielskistrup8231 I preferred my monster to predator, but they are more expensive. Predator is having issues so Foxx is the better alternative at that price point. If you use an extension, the monster tech is great

@@doctorno3912 we don't have all the info yet. It is possible that there is something negative going on, it's also possible that there is a health issue or something like that too, I've been trying to find out

@@RaccoonRezillo thanks for your response, however, there are way better options with way more buttons and substantially better quality, accuracy and economics. Look no further than two Winwing Ursa minors. $230 shipping included in the US.

@@RaccoonRezillo also amount of time spent is irrelevant, literally anything in this price range will do that

@@FalconsLedge I must just never seen any others but if it ever comes to buying a new one I try remember to consider that thank you :)

@@RaccoonRezillo have an awesome weekend

@@FalconsLedge so looking into different HOTAS as I am still in the window time to just return my x56 that I currently have. U recommended Winwing Ursa, but what about Gladiator NXT from VKB? Looking into that one seems like it very well and got close to what I want or which one would have more possible Hats and little joy sticks that x56 I liked having? Just taking another look into other good options before I settle with x56 as this one apparently has few sticky or not good Hat and buttons. (weirdly my first one worked great on the buttons)

@@conductingintomfoolery9163 almost every place a non refurbished model is 239-260. Also two Ursa minors are the same cost and are 10x better, have a great day

@@georgemathiellis5486 yeah it's really bad, and worse than all of that, is part of a dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't give a crap about combat sims

@@markmiranda5644 is an awful value, horrible economics, badly designed gimbal, extremely poor quality, horribly inaccurate sensors, part of a dead ecosystem that hasn't been updated in a decade from a company that has no interest in combat sims. Please tell me how this is better than two Winwing Ursa minors, which are the same cost? I'll wait.

@@user_16309 it is abs

@@mukechiltmal it's been rumored for so long the left u's or scgu, I guess I'll believe it when I see it.

@@FalconsLedge I hear you and am of the same opinion

@@thegaminggemini317 there are 3d printed extensions, but beware, the gimbal is not designed to be extended. Using it without springs should be ok, but with springs probably won't be ideal.

@@FalconsLedge ok to the added weight balance could damage it or make it not work to good? Or is the stick as iss with a few adjustments to make it not center should be good enough until I can get the gunfighter ? Also you know if vkb does black Friday cyber Monday?

@@FalconsLedge also would the center throttle like lever work ok as a collective to start with?

@@thegaminggemini317 several things: 1. The gimbal is not built for extensions, it is possible to break it especially if you are using bigger springs. If you are just using damper for dead stick helos it still probably be fine. 2. With a long extension there may not be enough spring force to re center the stick properly.

@@thegaminggemini317 it would work yes. It wouldn't be great, but it would work

@@johne1083 an opinion informed by decades of experience. An opinion formed through experience with all of the sticks around this one in price and those better and worse. An opinion that is absolutely accurate based on facts about this device and those competing with it. Your response is dripping with the sunk cost fallacy. My channel is here to help people get the best for their money. And this is not it. People should not buy devices from a dead ecosystem, from a company that doesn't care about their hobby. If hearing this offends you, thats ok. You are welcome to your opinion, it's ok to be wrong. Have a nice day.

@@OG5817 not likely scammed, I think there is something going on with the owner, but I don't know what yet

@@FalconsLedge I hope there isn't anything wrong with the owner but I want a refund it's been nearly a year of waiting

@@OG5817 oh for sure, I feel really sorry you haven't got your mounts or money back, that sucks. I have spent some time chatting with the owner, I really kinda fear the worst here.

​@@FalconsLedge Well I certainly hope there's nothing serious going on and they are ok. There are more important things in life then a hundred bucks or so. But I would caution anyone from ordering from them in the meantime. Thanks for reaching out

@@OG5817 I messaged him message I'd like to find out if he's okay.

@@jasonmeister6988 I think the standard going forward is going to be us. A to C, not sure when Winwing will pick that up

@@uglyigor3055 see this is why I con family into it

@@patrikstrandquist1875 you got it!

@@michaelbren3635 I do spend way too much lol

@@smoothie3d46 if you like it good for you, lots of people like bad products, and from the sound of it you got a great deal. I hope it serves you well.

@@FalconsLedge For sure! You've made a very good review, I can see you're an experienced user, but some people can't get anything better for the price or their location, and sometimes it's just personal opinions. There will always be something better, but it's also good to enjoy what you have or you can get. This said keep up the good work, love your content.

@@smoothie3d46 this is where you are wrong unfortunately.The Winwing Ursa Minor can be purchased for the same price as a retail x56 and it is 100x better. And this is a big reason why I do this. I want to help people get the best they can for their money, no matter how much they spend. I hope you have a great day!

@@FalconsLedge yes you're right, in the US. I live in Italy but whoever asks me for an hotas outside of my country I'll consider this option, I searched for this and couldn't find it anywhere unfortunately. Is it only the stick? Seems pretty solid anyway

@@smoothie3d46 the stick costs 115 and has a Omni option so can be used as a throttle

@@TWC_BullDog October, how much are you looking to spend

@@TWC_BullDog and what to you fly

@@CoastalAtom don't, it's not worth it. Speaking as someone with infinitely more context and experience with basically everything in the market don't. "Flew fine" is only your observation because you don't have experience with other cost equivalent sticks. Buy Winwing ursas, or an Ursa and a TM TWCS, it is infinitely better Don't buy products from a company that doesn't care about your hobby! They haven't innovated or come out with any new combat sim hardware for over a decade

There is, you are just used to it. once you fly with a stick that doesn't have it, you'll know what I mean.

@@MonkeForce23thanks its all different now that I am running a NLR cockpit

@@lotuschamp7796 agree,I returned the one I tested because I was so disappointed