ELEGOO SATURN 4 ULTRA - Resin 3D Printer
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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The newest Resin 3D Printer from Elegoo - The Saturn 4 Ultra
This is only my second time using a resin 3D Printer, and last used a resin 3D printer 3 years ago. I only did two prints, then it sat on the shelf. Will this new resin printer from Elegoo give me a new found interest in resin 3D printing?
Specs
Build Size - X *218.7 - Y *128.8 - Z *200
Display Resolution - X *11520 - Y *5120
Automatic Bed Leveling
Mechanical Sensor Alarm
AI Camera Detection
Camera Monitoring with Timelapse
Wifi
Temperature Detection
Tilt Release Technology
Power Loss Recovery
Print Speeds
Touch Capacitive Screen
OTA Updates
3D Models by
Hartolia-Miniatures
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It adopts the latest tilt-release technology, eliminating the need for fast resin and additional conditions such as ACF release films, thereby achieving true high-speed printing at 150mm/h under ordinary conditions.
Automatic intelligent leveling design ensures plug-and-play functionality without the need for manual leveling.
Mechanical sensor alarm prompts for the resin tank, along with AI camera intelligent detection functions (AI detection of the light board, AI detection of model warping).
Flip cover design, features such as power-off resume printing, temperature protection, and Wi-Fi connectivity.
Disclaimer - This is an instructional video only - I assume no responsibility if you do not become a pro after watching this video. This video is for learning purposes only, you are following the steps in this video at your own risk!
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The benefit of the tilt release technology is that the layers can peel off the release film with this faster than with just a normal build plate vertical pull.
not only faster.. its way more gentle to peel it off instead of ripping it of
@@wildniscamper7276 yeah
Hey hey! You drip tray was in the box that you removed in your unboxing clips! i think at the 54second mark.
You are a life saver! I thought it was just filler cardboard, as it was super light! Many thanks!
Found it! Many thanks!
Nice to meet you.
Thank you for your very clear review.
It seems that the performance of the printer has improved, but what surprised me the most is the reduced selling price. As a user, I really appreciate it Elegoo !
I currently use 3 3D printers and the Saturn 4 seems to be sufficient for me, not the Saturn 4 Ultra. But this build plate looks hard to clean 😅 other than that it looks great.😊
I think tilt-release is going to be a pretty standard feature in a couple of years especially printers with a 13in+ LCD, they can really benefit from it.
Z tilt release is what helps separate the model from touching the screen surface. This motion relieves the tension and suction force when lifting the model up, so that the resin spills underneath it to make ready for the next screen flash. This process speeds up the print time since you can lift the models faster without breaking them or damaging the screen on the vat.
Exactly this. But to make it simple.
Why don't you peel the "peelies" off all at once? When peeling something stuck to a surface, it's just easier to peel a small portion continuously
release tilt means less force needed to detach the print from the fep, less chance of them falling off the plate.
Ahh! Is that why I see some people use RainX on the fep?
@@TripodsGarage probably so. The print sticking to the foil in the container is a disadvantage, but unfortunately it cannot be avoided for now. This tilt probably helps with larger prints where there is a large area attached to the foil. In the case of smaller ones, where there is a lot of foil free around the print, the foil itself will bend and tear off at an angle towards the center of the model.
Some fluids certainly help, but do they make enough of a difference to be worth using? The question is how many layers after which such an agent is removed from the foil.
Think of the print like a suction cup.
Pull straight up and it takes a lot of force to remove from flat surface.
Grab the lip of the suction cup and pull and it pops off with nearly no force.
Does that also mean higher viscus resins can be used for fast print? I would like to print hard accurate functional parts using abs or nylon like resins vs ultra high detail and would like to print them fast if possible, this looks like a definite buy if I can print with a wider range of resins vs the really low viscus ones.
@@edfhobbies556 "Fast print" is still based on the use of special resin blends that need very little UV time to cure each layer. They tend to be more brittle due to their lower UV exposure between layers though.
Ensuring the resin is at peak flow temperature and the physical tilt of the tank would improve the refill of voids left by the previous layer which would mean the UV lamp's 'Off Time' could be reduced since you don't have to wait very long for the resin to settle before turning UV lamp on for next layer.
It won't give you major time improvements since at best it could be minutes off a multi hour print.
We haven't reached Carbon's printer tech at entry-level pricing yet. There is no on/off lamp times or lift/retract steps for their oxygen based printer since it's designed to have a deadzone just above the film layer to allow for a continuous lift printing. Nothing sticks to their film since the oxygen permeable film prevents the resin from curing right on the film.
Check your boxes because some certain boxes may feel light, but it has the drip tray in it
It was found! I did a quick follow up video. It was unmarked, and super light, thought it was just filler space. Thanks for watching and commenting!
the tilt feature is to help peel the layer from the glass that was just UV treated or the new layers, it basically makes less chance of your part/print from coming off your build plate by making it a less of a game of tug a war between the freshly laid layers and preexisting & the build plate, (less chance of a failed print!)
u can use the resin like glue by using a black light to aim at it and it will hold the two broken pieces together and harden
great video john, looks like I'm going to try resin again
The Z tilt release is good as it reduce the pull/suction forces when compared to a typical Z axis lifting printer. As the vat tilts, it effectively 'peels' off the printed layer rather than rip it upwards
Many thanks! I heard of people putting RainX on the fet to help with the release
Don't print resin prints flat like an fdm printer, always tilt them at an angle to reduce suction. Also soak them in hot water then remove the supports and they will almost fall of the model.
Tilt feature. Try to pull a suction cup off a flat object. Then take the same suction cup and peel it off from one side. Which is easier? Also, the Z axis doesn't have to raise 10 mm, wait then lower, the bed does it instead. so, it takes less time to release the layer and start to do the next layer.
Awesome! Just didn't understand the release part. Was thinking build plate release, not the FEP.
Great video John.
Thanks Jerry! Maybe I will be resin printing more often now 🤔🤣
@@TripodsGarage Sent you a pm.
Those prints are absolutely stunning! I might get into resin printing as well! Just do not like the mess 😢
The mess is a deterrent for many! However, the print quality over FDM is unmatched! Like I mentioned, it is up to the customer to decide if that is something they are willing to tackle. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
Thanks
No problem
Nice video, thanks. I suggest getting a big container of IPA (Ikea 365+ plastic containers are great) that you lift you print (and buildplate) straight into when removing from the printer, you wont have all that resin spill everywhere
Back in 3D printing again after a long absence. Just got a Prusa Mk4 in an enclosure and building a Voron 2.4r2 300, might sell my Saturn 2 8K and buy the Saturn 4 Ultra instead.
Needs a heater to keep up with the competition. But $400 is GREAT price. I just bought the S3U and paid 350.00 and thought thst was a steal. 50.00 for a little more definitely worth the asking price.
Since half the months are cold in my garage, a heater would be a nice built in option. At this $399 price point, I still think it is a great value. Thanks for watching and commenting!
According to the vp of sales who was interviewed on launch they have no intention of including a heater as it's too cost prohibitive. The heater isn't that expensive but the safety ratings would tack on $100-200.
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Fast setup. Very cool
It has been forever since a took something out of a box and it was like an appliance. Was such a wonderful experience!
The werewolf is Genn Greymane from WoW :D
Nice! I just found model to be pretty cool. Thanks!
John, good points, the quality/ resolution is fantastic. I have avoided resin, since I know I'm not a neat or careful person. The need for a wash and cure station is also a downside. So far I don't need the resolution of a resin printer, but am impressed as to the advances made in that technology and how the prices have dropped over the years.
The print quality is absolutely amazing! However, you are correct, you have to pay attention to every surface you are touching. Cross contamination is a real issue with handling resin! It definitely isn’t for everyone! It was nice to just basically print and go. You are getting a lot of tech for the price. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
I'd love to get into resin printing but it just seems like it's way more difficult with the supports and odor and more space for was and cure. Maybe someday great video I did learn a lot
Yeah, I hear you! My mobility it where it is hard for me to work with resin. I have to have the work area fully prepared. The odor gives me a headache. I will try low odor resin next.
It would be a great purchase.... if they kept it at 260mm H or even pushed it to a full 300 over the Saturn 3 Ultra.
wash the model in IPA. put it in the warm water for a couple of minutes and then try to remove supports. after that cure it
Nice work Tripod! Did you find the drip tray in the packaging?
Many thanks! Yes, I found the drip tray!
how do you clean the buildplate between the upper part and the plate itself. Looks hard to get it clean there
Nice review. Just ordered mine so hopefully it will arrive quickly. I have been using resin printers for about 4 years now and honestly I have never needed a heater ao not sure what benefit it would even be.
Great video! I'm thinking about getting into resin printing and I'm learning a lot from your learning experience. I was especially wondering how well the water soluble resins turned out as I would like to use those if I get a resin printer. Thanks!!
How does this compare to the phrozen 8k mini which one is better quality in prints.
Has anyone suggested using warm water to soften the supports before release? I feel like that should be a given nowdays.
I was going to comment on the drip tray, but as I was writing my comment, you mentioned that they didnt include one with your review sample.
I would strongly suggest against using this without the drip tray, because you could otherwise get resin to drip down inside the machine through the openings in the tilt mechanism.
The tilt is great for someone like me who prints directly on the plate with no supports for most of my models, with large models with hollowed out internals.
Currently I have to place a hole for that vacuum force to vent, even two layers with no vent, just suction, and it will often cause the print to fail due to the model being pulled off the plate from said suction force.
I would love to see if this tilt feature solves this issue. At the very least it helps speed up print times by reducing relative lift distance and increasing relative lift speed.
Yeah I was going to say the Drip tray was for after the print. So one the machine is done you slap on then take off the print
@@Katazo98 I for one really like the 45 degree bracket that comes with my Mars. really helps that resin drip off. Although, its also responsible for a broken screen due to the plate slipping off and hitting corner first onto my screen.
If/when I get one of these, I will just have a drip box to put the build plate in for a few hours, then buy a second build plate so that I dont have any down time between prints.
A wonderful device. Super like 👍🏻. I need one like this. Send it to me)
When is this going to be available for purchase?
Have ball screw ?
Has anyone proven the 150mm hr max print time? Does this have to have special resin to get the high print speeds? thx in advance
Awesome work John, looks like great purchase
Many thanks! Yeah, the most difficult part was using the slicer 😂
@TripodsGarage to he fair I also struggle with slicers they change so often 😆
This makes me appreciate my gktwo even more
Always nice to have options! Thanks for watching and commenting!
What are the resins like nowadays? Still toxic and smell bad ?
Oh! The resin still toxic and smells bad! After this review I bought some low odor resin, which helps a great deal!
i so want this printer but i live in an apartment no real way to ventalte
I totally get it! The regular resin gives me a headache and just smells! The low for isn’t that bad.
@@TripodsGarage would it be safe if I got a difrent printer that had one of those filters that hook up to it
@@donjohnson19Creality has an enclosure for resins printing. You might look into something like that
@@hihellothere9569 ok what is the encloser called cause i cant seem to find it
this printer has a usb port inside of it to accommodate the Elegoo USB filter.
People in my house used to complain about the resin smell, but after I started using the filters, no one has said anything
See that 7.20 mark - I dont like the design of the plate - the way resin is in the gap of the plate and you are bound to drop it some time. Why could they not have covered that gap and put a wing on it to hold it more securly. Its really put me off this machine.
First
Yes you were! 😂
How n the world do you have a channel when you cannot understand the benefits of the tilting mechanism? You even mention quick release as stated on Elegoo’s website. What can be clearer? Build plates exert vacuum pressure on the film, which is why resin printers restrict their speed. Tilting the print bed reduces the vacuum or shear forces, obviously. And Formlabs and other companies have incorporated this in their printers ver a decade ago, but they cost thousands of dollars. Geez, do a little research before you make yourself look like Canadian.
Even trolls are welcome to watch and comment! Thanks for taking the time out of your busy day to educate the uneducated! Just remember, everyone on the internet is an expert, even when they say they are not at the beginning of the video 😉
@@TripodsGarage You don’t know what “troll” means. I gave my honest opinion, not to increase clicks or affect traffic of a channel. It just seems ridiculous that even you have the answer in your script, you say don’t understand. So perhaps you are the troll, feigning ignorance to get people like me to comment, or you voted for tRump and are therefore utterly stupid.