1996 Jeep Cherokee Engine Stumble Diagnosis and Gas Tank Cleaning (Ep.6)
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- We have had issues with a high RPM stumble for over a year now, but finally we are going to try to do something about it. This Jeep was given to us with a non-functioning fuel pump that we previously replaced, but we did not drop the gas tank or clean it out before installing the new pump. We have suspicions that the cause of the stumble may be the engine running out of fuel due to issues with fuel delivery so we will start by looking there. We are both surprised and not at all surprised by what we find!
Dates of filming: November 3rd, 2019 (Initial Removal Attempt)
January 12th, 2020 (Gas Tank Cleaning)
Song List (Order of First Appearance):
0:01 Grant & Green - Josh Lippi & The Overtimers
3:00 The Place Inside - Silent Partner
7:57 March On - Dan Lebowitz
13:02 Dinner For One - Silent Partner
18:21 Stalling - Topher Mohr and Alex Elena
23:20 Sawdust - Silent Partner
27:53 Silver - Riot
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Gasoline?, did you mean “Forbidden Beef Broth”
Yeah fuel systems tend to work better when they don’t have gravel, twigs, and maple syrup in them. I hope that the new tank, strainer, and associated bits permanently fix this issue.
Why does he have beer in his gas tank?
to drink it later
Red head goals
More important question... why were they putting gas in the beer tank?!?!
DUI
See's the gas, " their's your problem lady!"
definitely giving it the beans towards the end!
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South main auto👌🏻
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I had a 1992 Ford Explorer that had the same problem it had sat for 8 years my dad remarried in that explorer was sitting in his wife's backyard and she thought it had a locked up motor and all that was wrong with it was a fuel pump without she gave it to me once I did the troubleshooting on it determined it was a fuel pump I replaced the fuel pump and tried to clean out the gas tank is best as I could play the seemed like it was lined with tar varnish or something and every time I fill it up with gas it would just contaminate the fuel I ended up replacing the gas tank
You can use jeep grand cherokee zj plastic tank it fit's ... grate videos 👍🏻
I've had 'the pleasure' of learning this lesson on a 1957 Chevy Belair around 20 years ago. The fuel tank was just about as bad as the Jeep's, and the insides of the mechanical fuel pump looked very much the same. It was so bad, it just clogged two filters right up, and I couldn't get any fuel to the carb. Comes with the territory of running old pieces of junk I supposed ;)
finally, a new upload on the jeep
Ahahahaa.... I'm... I'm sorry Rob. No refunds though.
AAYYY its Sean! how's the 280?
Oh snap, I am remembered! The 280 is pretty stagnant right now, since the last video I've installed a steering upgrade and I'm working on getting a fuel tank! Mostly focused on my Volvo for now but the datsun will be back!
@@Aznfootball7 cant wait for 280z update on this channel!
For future reference, you can use a bucket full of "cleaned" crush and run (white "drivway" gravel), or some lengths of chain swirled around inside the tank to "scour" the inside. Then use a product such as POR-15 to coat the inside. They also have a complete cleaning/coating kit for fuel tanks.
I've never seen a Jeep with advanced kidney failure.
Perfect end of the work week. Thank you! The O2 sensor sits a tad too close to the end of the pipe, could cause misreads as fresh air can tumble upstream.
The check engine light comes and goes now and then, seems to have to do with that sensor. In the next episode we will throw together at least part of an exhaust system for it to help take care of that (and the noise!)
@@FuzzyDiceProjects don't forget to get some new fuel hoses
The ECU likely goes into open loop when floored or at high RPMs. The upper O2 sensor gets ignored.
When grinding on the bolt we don't want to heat it up Because of the heat treat so we dip it in water but then we Weld it
Slow, quick welds, and time to cool in between. That's why the welds look so bad (well also not sanding off the coating), because they were done a little at a time
You channel is definitely one of my favorites. Keep wrenching!
Weld new floor pans in and fluid film it
Finally, some one with a good taste in knives. Nice CRKT :)
The Jeep Cherokee episodes are my favourite.. I would even like to see a detail/painting, or just general repairs and mods. I love Cherokee content!
Furness Prime 😍❤️
@@evo33130 How do you do emotes on RUclips???
My favourite project 😍 great job kiss from France 🇫🇷 next episod pleaseeeeeee
Because you have no muffler (or at least a straight pipe) the o2 sensor behind the catalytic converter gives you a wrong measurement.
My old 03 Crown Vic had the same issue, the whole inside of the tank was rusted even though the car had less than 120k miles on it at the time. I thought it was the pressure regulator because the pressure kept dropping off. I did that and still had issues so me and my brother pulled the tank to replace pump. Once we pulled the pump it was obvious what happened. Got a clean tank from the junkyard and the car ran perfect after that
I've used vinegar to clean rust out of tanks and it works well
My 99 XJ has 300k miles and currently runs 38’s on 1 ton axles and still rips... love these things, allows me to keep my ‘13 Rubicon looking like the day I bought it (special ordered brand new) sitting in my shop... I’ve got over $60k invested in that beauty and plan on keeping it forever so the XJ is what I get to beat the snot out of on the trails!
THIS GUY IS THE MAN!!! I've been watching him for years! I remember when he wasn't so confident speaking, and look at him now, uploads another great video with amazing confidence in his voice! Side note, if it wasn't for him, I probably would have never started my youtube channel, now I have multiple automotive videos uploaded, that I really enjoyed making, he was a huge inspiration for me to get started, as I'm sure you'll be able to tell if you watch one or more of my videos. Keep up the amazing work , and thank you! If he doesn't mind, I'd really appreciate it if some of you guys would check out my channel, after you're done watching this video.
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Penetrating oil!! Very useful on a rusty bolt/nut. Love the videos man.
Not very when you only let it be for 5 min, use heat instead
On a gas tank? Lol
J F4444 , yes on the bolts that hold the tank straps.
@@JF-4444 what is tapping out the gas.
You guys are in the Hagerstown area? I can’t help but to notice some of the signage on 81/70
I heard that vinegar is a good way to remove rust from a gas tank. New fuel tank from Advance Auto $136.99 - $164.99, Rock Auto $72.79 - $107.79 plus shipping.
You poisoned your fuel system and killed your sending unit and filter😂
A trick I've used on a couple tanks to drain them before dropping is run the hose from the fuel pump into a bucket and then jump the terminals on the pump's relay socket. It can take a while but definitely beats wrestling 15 gallons down!
had a similar work-around with a 383 i was working on, car had the fuel pressure regulator under the hood, so we just ran some soft line off of that and tried cranking it to empty the tank that way
You two had fun or made fun out of it so no foul, this is more common than one thinks. Here in alaska we suffer with off brand fuel companies with lots of water circulating in tanks at the station when tankers refill them. I drove to the station with my truck on empty and filled up. Small towns know you and it helps when they see it happen in front of them. I filled up, paid then got five feet and engine died and after running battery dead and being jumped, took top off the carb.... water! Stuck syphoning hose in tank and pumped five gallon and then second one then third and part of forth... all water so pumped from the meter pump and its watery and rusty! Had to wait for them to go get me fuel from another station and they shut their station down. Their tanks pumped said removal time and I was the lucky one to lose a days work.... It happens
I mean. A tank is sooooo cheap just put it in. A sock is like 4$. Come on. I see your doing another one. Still gotta get that fender fixed s-10
I never done it, but I've heard if you use a length of chain and shake it around, it would clean it.
I recently have been slathering whatever exposed threads with grease and that seems to make whatever bolt or but come off a little easier, just try to get the grease under the threads of whatever is trying to be taken off.
Results may vary.
Easiest way I've found to get that corrosion is to take a logging chain and baking soda or Ajax or comet we did it on a 90 f150 and it runs fine
I once work on a 84 BMW 318 it had been setting up scents 91 and well I'm not going to lie the in side of the gas tank had what appeared to be molasses in it and didn't smell like molasses though it had to have been at least 2 and 1/2 inch thick at the floor of the gas and keep in mind this is a dual heights gas tank it straddles the drive shaft so I only cleaned one side it still boggles the mind that the car still runs fine now as for the lift pump that was in the tank I replaced it with a strainer and a piece of fuel hose and use the high pressure fuel pump a new one of course to suck it from the fuel tank and put it to the injectors
in cases like this with stumble, pull an injector and watch how it sprays. this will let you know to start checking through the fuel system.
this method lets you check without spending any money (in theory).
cut the top off a larger soda or gatorade bottle and set the injector in it and affix it someplace it won't get too warm or dislodge (keeping the injector up high enough to be able to see the spray but still be in the bottle), then have someone start the vehicle in question for a little bit to inspect how the injector sprays. google image search has some nice examples of good vs bad patterns.
cheap, easy and should let you know if you need to focus on electrical (sensors, etc) vs other.
also tends to save you some time.
To clean a gas tank just drop a match in it. If that doesn't work then just buy a new tank.
was waiting for this update..thanks for the vid
How about trying seafoam though the tank and intake. See if that assists.
It's a shame, that you dump the water from the tank into nature
Great video man! Like how lighthearted you guys were while working, a lot of guys get caught up in the work and get aggravated quite easily, but you’ve got to remember that it’s supposed to have some fun involved. I spent seven hours last week pulling the head on my 49 and replacing the headgasket, along with a couple other things. I just put a video up if you’d like to take a look. It was fun but definitely a reminder that cars aren’t always easy to fix. Great video.
Craftsman makes a pass through ratchet set for jobs like the fuel tank straps just saying
I wish my cherokee was that clean underneath
I've heard of draino and marbles being used to clean the inside of a gas tank.
White distilled vinegar works great for dissolving rust
My 73 Torino that sat for 15 years, and the fuel tank was like yours, the pick up sock disintegrated and the previous owner didn't use any in-line filters. So it would start up and then stall. The inside of the carburetor was just as bad as the fuel tank. I basically replaced the tank,fuel pump,rebuilt the carb,new sending unit/sock and installed a fuel filters. Now it runs great.
Had an 06 Ford van kept shutting off during driving. Turned out the liner in the gas tank was disentegrating... Spelled that wrong and I don't give a crap..
Anyway it was clogging the pick up for the fuel pump.
Seems like 1996 was the year of the metal tanks for Chrysler. The neon was the same way. Our workaround for this is to get a plastic tank from a later year that has the better pump setup with the plastic pump ring rather than the metal tank with metal pump ring
A trick I saw from another youtuber is putting some paper towels in fueltank and blasting it with compressed air to clean it
Definitely buy a new tank. I wouldn't even throw that one back in.
Looks like he’s losing some weight. Go Rob!
To help slow down the rust in the tank use marvel mystery oil when you fill it up
I get the idea some vinegar coulda saved the tank but you are spot on that its not worth trying to save and causing more headaches
but ive never tried the vinegar thing, could be a cool experiment with the old tank
Fuzzy Dice, a couple or more gallons of white vinegar would remove and neutralize the rust in the tank, you can place a chain or bolts in the tank to help knock the rust off by sloshing them around, you could then seal the tank.
Many Jeeps have plastic tanks. One of these may be the way to go.
My 89 XJ had the same issue... fuel tank was full of mud XD
In the voice of The Rock....... And Finallyyyyy the Cherokeeeeeee HAS COME BACK to Fuzzy Dice Projects.
that fuel tank was horrendous. i guess now you know to do things right the first time. nice hack on that extended 14 mm. i had to do the same thing for an e brake adjuster. i didn’t have a welder so i hammered the correct size socket into a bigger one and it worked great. i still use it.
I now know why you guys were laughing when the fuel tank finally broke free and thumped on the ground. 15 gallons of fuel and the weight of the tank sure isn't light! Nice video! Persistence always pays off!
Keep up the Jeep videos
I like the episodes with you and Sean working together. Where is the 240 now?
Sitting at his house still, not much has been done to it in quite a while since we have been working on his Volvo. Really just needs gas tank work though, still runs and drives fine otherwise, hoping to sort that out in the Spring/Summer
Would love to see you guys restore the jeep all the way!!!
The exhaust in the back of your jeep is the most relatable thing I have ever seen . I have a 1995 Cherokee and the exhaust had fallen off. I had it in the exact position for around 4 months lmao
I had an issue like this once. I put some cleaner in the tank along with some stones to act as an abrasive, then sloshed it around. Worked well
Looks like silent hill 😂
The plastic guard is called a skip plate....If you asked me i would have said it should have a plastic gas tank...like my 95 YJ.....witch has a metal skid plate and a plastic gas tank..go figure ...wonder if my yj gas tank is a replacement ? hummm .like your video......JEEP'S RULE S10'S DROOL
16:18 Running thru my mind...that’s some good hooch.
Went to replace a fuel pump on a customer's car several years ago. When I pulled the old pump out I found the fuel tank FULL OF SAND. Told the service manager and he contacted the customer. Law enforcement got involved. Ended up replacing the fuel tank as well as the fuel pump and filter.
so THAT's why they put plastic tanks in the ZJ and newer Jeeps.... LOL
Just for the record they all use the same fuel pressure regulator. I have a 96 and ordered a replacement for like $9 on Amazon
I had the same issue, I used 5 gallons of white vinegar, let it sit for 3 days and flipped the tank each day. Then flush it with the pressure washer and left the inside so clean.
I going to do the same thing to mine, seeing this video gives me some relief that is am right with my diagnosis. The truck sat for a long-time guy only use to go hunting a few times a year never. I got it for $900 with 81000 miles on it not a bad deal, rust as can be. So, my mistake was filling my tank to full and added some fuel cleaner which broke all that rust and gunk clogging the sock. I removed the fuel filter and the stuff that came out was swamp water looking. Have all the parts now will be doing it soon. thanks for the video.
I bought a 2006 Honda CBR600RR off of the original owner a few years back. It only had 2k miles on it and had basically sat for the better part of eight years. The guy was not mechanically inclined at all and couldn’t get it to start, even after changing the battery, oil, and adding new gas. It was a dead giveaway what was wrong when I couldn’t hear the fuel pump prime. The gas coming out looked almost the same and the fuel pump was lunched. I had the tank professionally cleaned at a radiator shop and installed a new OEM fuel pump and the bike fired right up. In hindsight, I should have just bought a new tank or at least one in better shape, since mine does have rust spots in it. I don’t neglect it like he did, but if it gets any worse I’m just gonna replace the tank.
You only had to loosen the bolts about 2-3", If you look where the "J" goes in the frame you'll see it's elongated. Loosen & turn the "J", with a floor jack & board under the tank its more controlled & safer. I worked in a junk yard & blew up 3 cars
Ah yes, the Cheep has returned.
My buddy’s 4.0 96 jeep is having this same problem it had stopped in the middle of the street (fuel pump went out ) and we changed it and it developed this problem also his floor pans are rusted way through to 😂still drives it but did you guys end up finding out the problem? Exactly the same problem you described
LOL this has to go in first. Does it YES does it YES DOES IT YEEESSSS :P :P
I had an 89 Jeep Cherokee Pioneer that would start to chug in the winter when you got above 50mph. I bought it used and it was in horrible shape. Transmission was run nearly empty by the previous owner. And the PVC valve would dump so much oil into the air cleaner that I could not run an air filter. I never thought it could of been the gas tank. Glad to know, now! lol
I'm Australian, our 1970s cars don't have fuel tanks that look that bad.
our cars only rust because they had no factory rust protection.
MORE JEEP CONTENT PLZ! :D
If you have the tank out of the vehicle, turn it on its side and let gravity keep the o ring in place when you install the pump assembly. Just finished doing this today on my 96 XJ.
I've used a long piece of light weight chain and shook the tank with a gallon of gas. Repeat as necessary. After rinsing, the chain is easy to remove.
You totally should have pulled in Ronald Finger for this, he's pretty adept at gas tank repairs and cleaning and loves working on them!
I can tell from the way this dude that's talking.... said something about how he's going to need that socket back when they were going to get it off of that clamp that I could not be around this dude very long, no way.
So I've heard you can put diesel fuel and some gravel into a dirty fuel tanks to clean them out. Just make sure you get all the gravel out. Then you dont have to worry about water in the fuel tank
It's a better idea to use steel shot (BBs) than gravel. Small engine guys use that trick all the time. The pro move is to do that and then bungee cord it to a tractor wheel (in the case of a small engine tank) and make a couple of laps around the yard.
I literally just did this, put a new pump in ran good, the pump started whining and the truck started bucking real bad, warranties the pump replaced the filter did it again, pulled the tank pressure washed it, fixed
Maybe some rust prevention would be a good idea for whats left of it, content
You guys should trash that Dana 35 and get a Chrysler 8.25 or a Dana 44
A couple of handfuls of gravel and a bottle of vinegar in the tank, shaken like a cocktail for half an hour (Hang the tank at the end of a bungee cord and bounce away) will scour the rust away from the inside of that tank.
Can we appreciate how that xj was running on trash fuel and was still running
classic way of cleaning out a gas tank. tie it to a rotating cementmixer, fill it with nuts and bolts and let it rotate for a few hours.. voila, the tank will be mediablaasted on the inside.
could be the solution for you if you want to keep that horrendous tank. and have a cement mixer.
I love his videos, but I'm always a bit disturbed with these "do it cheap" videos because they constantly go something like this:
"Head into your 3-car attached garage, approach your Craftsman workbench and fire up your hydraulic drill press, then finish things off with a nice TIG weld, pop it into an autoclave for a quick cleaning and you're all set. Now use the aerial lift to raise the car up and easily install your part. In just 7 hours we saved $12 and a 20 minute trip to the auto parts store."
I wanna see the car repair videos where all you have is a Duralast tool kit and an unpaved driveway.
To an extent I understand, but I think we are still working with a much more basic and attainable tool set than many other RUclips channels. The garage is fantastic and the most unusual thing we do have to work with, but the workbench is 2x4s, plywood, cardboard, and a $20 Craigslist vice, the angle grinder used to cut the socket was free with a HF coupon, the MIG welder is one of the cheapest 240v models you can buy ($170), the belt/disc sander was a gift from a friend but I think they are around $50. The impact gun used to remove the tank was about $140 including the third party battery. The transmission jack was around $150 but a standard floor jack (or just a friend lying under it) would have actually worked better anyway. Pressure washer was free from a neighbor, fixed it up. Just a basic idea but there really wasn't anything exotic here, I don't think.
It isn't a dollar store tool kit and a gravel driveway, but I also feel like it is within the realm of reason for many people. I hope it isn't just me that feels that way, but I suppose I do not really know.
@@FuzzyDiceProjects Oh, nothin' against ya, my friend. I've watched about %90 of your videos and many of them twice.
Your '91 lead me to you. I've owned 3 Firebirds myself. A 91 a 92 and a 2001.
The biggest infractions go to Chris Fix, Autotech, etc. I remember laying in my driveway on a brisk 20 degree evening trying to swap the alternator in a 2006 Escape. I've never wanted to just send a car to a scrap yard over something so minor so badly in my life; yet the RUclips videos are about 6 minutes long and include words like "Easily" and "hydraulic press". I don't even have a vice! =( Just bare hands. Bare hands with bitched-up knuckles and regular tetanus shots.
@@thefoxfrenzy We all started where you are, but at least for me, I'm not going back. Literally the first thing I bought when I setup my own work space was a vice and I bought it on a credit card. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
If it makes you feel better, I make insanely huge fiascos out of small projects just because I do... So...
@@TheBrokenLife Well, of course. I own a Dodge and an Audi so I'm used to small repairs turning into colossal projects.
My next purchase is going to be a table saw, so I can build a work bench, so I have something to install a vice on.
@@thefoxfrenzy I built my benches out of 2x4s exactly because I didn't, and don't, own a table saw. ;) I did have Home Depot cut a few things for me on their panel saw though.
Seems pretty counter productive to continuously cool it as you grind it to "square" it so as to not burn off heat treatment or whatever you are worried about to then just weld it together cause welding it by its very nature is heating it well past the point of any kind of treatment or anything on it remaining.
For future reference, muriatic acid is a cheap cleaning agent that is relatively safe to use with gas tanks. Currently in the process of cleaning out two old Harley gas tanks with this stuff. It's potent, but also is a great cleaning agent. We're cleaning these out because of some sort of a gel-like sealer being used, which seems to have become solid over a number of years. There was also a bolt, and some newspaper clippings inside the tank. No clue why. This acid seems to remove any surface rust almost instantly, but also removes any protective coating from the surface metal. After doing something like this, you'll likely want to get some sort of a rust protective sealant inside the tank. Haven't gotten that far on this project yet.
$150 bucks new tank and sending unit. Problem solved.
You made a custom, extra long socket instead of just cutting off 6 inches of the ridiculously unnecessarily long threaded rod that serves absolutely no purpose....... well okay then. I guess that works too.
Altair Ibn-La Ahad Have you ever mounted a gas tank with straps? Anything?
Personally... I would have just cut the J bolts and replaced them. I've done stuff that rusty before and half the time they just break off anyhow. BUT... Now he has an extra long 14mm for the rest of his life... and who among us couldn't use some more length?
@@jonasthemovie Yep. Old fox body Mustangs have bolts, not threaded rods. I've laid under the car and bench pressed the gas tank back in place and thread the bolts in with my free hand. Older me now uses a floor jack to lift/raise a gas tank with non issue. I live in the rust belt and it still only takes me 10-15 minutes. Those threaded rods make more problems than they solve.
@@TheBrokenLife That seems reasonable in that situation honestly. Certain Jeeps are notorious for basically assuming bolts are just going to be chopped off instead of removed. Nothing wrong with that, just how she goes sometimes.
@@MrClarkisgod It's all part of wrenching and we all go about it in our own ways. That's why it's fun to make and watch videos like this and build a community of people to shoot the bull with. Plenty of interesting ideas under the sun.
Had to Google to see if a tank was available. Yep. $100ish dollars seems like an easy decision!
If you want to drain a fuel tank that has a working pump in it, just remove the shrader valve at the rail, jump the relay, and pump it out at the rail. Short of the "jump the relay" part, I _just_ made a video on this topic... Plus your gas goes through the filter on the way out.
True! Don't have anything that connects properly to the schrader valve connector but we could have unhooked it before or after the filter pretty easily too and just pumped it out with a jumped relay. Would probably have been straining the pump a bit but we were replacing it again anyway. If I was working alone or it was a significantly larger tank I definitely would have drained it before dropping it.
@@FuzzyDiceProjects 1/4" hose shoves right over the service port on anything I've ever tried it on. You don't need to actually "connect" it in a pressure safe type of way. Check out "how to pump bad gas out of an old Ford" if you want to see me do it! ;)
I agree with your assessment of the wear on the pump and all of that... Normally I'm just pumping them out because the gas in them is getting too old (a hazard of having more cars than underwear) so not usually a risk for me.
@@TheBrokenLife Noted! I'll have to keep that in mind if I find myself in a similar situation again
@@FuzzyDiceProjects Cool! Looking forward to your next vid!
why didn't you just use a long extension (instead of rigging together a long socket).
with that much obvious rust , im questioning spending ANY money on it .
Should have filled it with ball bearings and strapped it on a jacked up tire to spin for an hour.
How's come you guys didn't just cut off the J bolts to make them shorter to fit a socket on them? 🤷
Cutting makes sparks
Sparks=Boom
He says in the video, would make reinstallation harder.
Yolo lol