🎹Casio Celviano AP-470 vs Roland F701 Digital Piano Comparison - Stunning Grand Piano Sounds🎹
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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Hello and thanks for joining us at the Merriam Pianos RUclips channel. Today’s video comes after a request in the comment section of one of our other videos as we’ll be seeing how the Casio AP470 stacks up to the Roland F701.
These two instruments are priced very closely together (only $100 apart in Canada) and are targeted at the same part of the market, so it’s definitely a very logical comparison to make.
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Piano Overview
Both the Casio AP470 and Roland F701 have emerged as fairly popular options over the past 6-12 months in the upper end of the mid range digital piano market.
Now, the Casio AP470 is older than the F701, so right away, we noticed a generational difference between these two pianos. The replacement to the AP470, whenever that comes, will probably be a better comparison to the F701.
The specs sheets look pretty close, but playing them side-by-side, the F701 ends up being a more dynamic instrument to play on. Now let’s dive into the specifics.
Piano Sound
The AP470 has 2 main piano tones. It uses Casio’s AiR Sound Source, which is a sample based engine recorded at 4 velocity layers. It features 256 notes of polyphony, and 40 watts of speaker power.
The F701 uses Roland’s SuperNATURAL piano engine, with 256 notes of polyphony, and a lower rated power output of 24 watts.
Often what differentiates a piano experience if all other things are considered equal, is how the tone generator simulates all of the subtle things that surround the tone itself, like damper resonance, cabinet resonance, soundboard type etc. The AP470 does a good job of this, but Roland’s SuperNATURAL, especially with the new BMC chip present here, has more of these elements, and offers the user a ton of control over said elements.
When it comes to the speaker performance, the AP470’s 4 speaker system (which can be altered via the speaker lid) generates so much treble, to the point of being too much, but this does get better if the lid is more closed or closed entirely. There’s some odd signal balance issues going on here, but we have to note that we have never observed this on any of their other instruments.
The F701, while not as powerful, doesn’t have any of these issues, and sounds much more balanced.
In terms of the on-board selection of tones, the AP470 has 22 tones.The F701 has a robust 324 on-board tones, more than 10x more. Now, many of the sounds on the F701 are General MIDI 2, so as far as the core sounds are concerned, they are closer in number, but the F701 still has more. course,
In general, both pianos offer a quality selection of non-piano tones.
Piano Action
The touch of these two instruments isn’t by any means off on totally different ends of the spectrum. The F701 uses the PHA4 with escapement and a triple sensor. The AP470 has a triple sensor, no escapement, but has a very nice weighting.
In a wide range of playing settings, many people aren’t going to have a huge preference for one action or the other. We tend to gravitate towards the PHA4 on this channel, but we actually think the AP470’s might be better for classical music.
This is really a story of personal preference at the end of the day. These are both quality actions with very similar repetition speeds.
Piano Features
The F701 features both Bluetooth MIDI and Audio, which is very nice as you can stream music directly to your F701, and of course, connect to apps. It has dual headphone outputs, USB Type A and B,
The F701 also has MIDI and Audio on-board recording, some lesson options, and compatibility with Roland’s new Piano Every Day app.
The AP470 has USB Type B, dual headphone jacks and MIDI and Audio on-board recording, but no line outputs and no Bluetooth.
Both pianos are available in multiple finishes, and include a bench, music rest and cabinet.
Summary
The F701 is slightly more expensive, but it really does take advantage of the latest technological advances in the industry. The AP470 is still a solid instrument, but lacks the warmth of the F701, and some of the extra features.
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Thank you Stu for comparing these two. I am absolutely thrilled to know that you actually responded the comment. You are amazing ❤️
Considering the RP701 atm. Damn near everything sounds good when Stu is playing them.
Both of these pianos sound pretty good to me, particularly for their pricepoint. The lower notes on the Casio have more character to my ears, but there's something very up-front and pleasing about the F701 sound. I tried the F701 in a showroom not so long ago, and it was one of the few instruments which impressed me in terms of value-for-money. It would make an excellent first home piano/family piano, but I believe that the cabinet resonance is supposed to be marginally better on the (similar) Roland RP701 model. The list prices are about the same, but I've seen at least one very good deal on the F701. Its discreet flat profile is appealing too.
found the acoustic piano tones of the Casio Celviano AP 470 to be better, superior, more real than Roland
🤣🤣🤣🤣 opposite
@@محمدالخلفي-ط1لCreo que el casio si no lo configuras,el roland es superior,pero configurado el casio ap 470 es mejor.
I agree
Compare the Roland 701 to the Kawai KDP 120, please…
Hello, after watching this video I believe that the roland f 701 has pretty decent advantages over the casio ap 470. I might go to roland especially the fact that ap 470 has been there for a while. But I found a seller who sells the ap470 for 1150$ us dollars. I can afford this price point for the ap but the f 701 price is beyond me[400$ more]. So would you recommend me to get the ap 470 with this price ?
Hi, Stu! I don't know how many fantastic reviews I saw from you in the last weeks to decide what piano to buy (I'm in Portugal, so, unfortunately, I can't buy from you) and I decided on the Roland F701. I just got it yesterday and I'm so happy with it.
Thank you so much for your engaging and high-quality reviews, the best we can find on youtube.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thank you so much for tuning in and sharing your kind words! We appreciate it and I will be sure to pass along the compliments to Stu. Congratulations on your F701! They are fantastic pianos with an excellent touch and tone and, personally, I am a massive fan of their streamlined cabinet design. Very sleek and very modern! We're happy to hear that you found our videos useful through your process. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
Maybe should be against ap650? Thanks for the review
Stu, would love to see if you would 🙏🏻 do a video looking at the b2 vs. The k200. I spoke with Patrick and 100% will be buying a piano for my family. Just educating myself while I put money aside for the purchase. Pretty cool that I’ve been watching your videos to educate myself, only to find out that your locations aren’t to far from me!
Thanks!
Imho, the B2 and K200 are worlds apart. The action, the tone, I think K200 is in a different league.
Was hoping you could do a review on the Casio AP-710?
Amplifier power can be a very deceiving specification. For example, a "20 watt amplifier" is not a very meaningful statement. Does it output that power at 1kHz only? What about the 20Hz - 20kHz range? What about the total harmonic distortion (THD)? For which impedance? What impedance are the speakers matched to the amp? Is that a PMP value or RMS? Most digital pianos have cheap amplification systems, and there is a lot of room for deception. In addition, you only gain 3 dB of sound when you double the power. For a sound to be perceived twice as loud, you need about 10 dB louder sound, which is about 10 times the power. So basically, if a digital piano has 8 watts of power and you want to hear it twice as loud, you need an 80 watt-amplifier. To say that a certain digital piano has "better" amplifiers because it has a few more watts per channel, it is an oversimplification. You need to also look at the sensitivity of the speakers, the position of the speakers, the cabinet size, the speaker design, etc.
Would an HP704 vs LX705 video be possible? It'd be nice to hear the differences between the two Roland models when coming from similar cabinets and with the same speaker wattage!
Couple of requests for videos that would be helpful to me and hopefully others: 1) ‘silent/headphone’ playing - which pianos perhaps have better headphone output, where speakers/soundboard are less relevant so you could save a few dollars and get a model with the same action? 2) Action vs onboard sound vs VST - for those willing to experiment with eg pianoteq (especially using headphones so no expensive speaker systems), how would you recommend approaching digital pianos - action priority vs onboard sound priority. Is there a point where you’d recommend a ‘good action/bad sound’ over a ‘bad action/good sound’ if that sound can be augmented with a VST
I think the quality of sound is paramount. You aren't going to find a digital with great sound that has a truly poor action. One thing I think is important is the noise the action makes. People say the Yamaha GHS action is not so good; but guess what, it's comparatively quiet, particularly on the return where Kawai is very noisy. When the Yamaha DGX piano tone is combined with Pianoteq the end result is stunningly good as there is no latency between the two and the synergy of the two singing together is amazing. So again, the quality tone is the most important. I think you have to have played good pianos to recognize good tone.
Stu often refers to it as complexity of tone. Digital instruments tend to be thin and dry. There is a lot of noise generated by acoustics. In my opinion almost all small uprights sound terrible. What you can get in a good digital is the sound of a large grand in a form factor that is reasonable transportable. I think the issue of headphone output is mostly controlled by the headphones that you are using. I think it's considerably safer to use speakers as headphones can destroy your hearing more rapidly than you might realize.
Could you compare the roland fp 90x vs dp603 thanks
What played on 19:10 was amazing 😁
I'd have to check with Stu as to what he is playing at that moment. With that said, a lot of the excerpts you hear on the channel are improvisations. :)
Another few minutes spent watching Stu at his work (solid work i have to say :) playing with pianos. More and more value in this materials is watching him having fun, that makes me believe that i can have similar fun too (if i spend a few years on a serious practice :)
What WowTo RUclips materials say about placing subscribe request at the end of the video? How it affects watching expirience after a few months/years of existence of the video? (when people come back just to listen :)
Would you say that the casio has better value for money if it costs 400€ less than the roland where I live?
Hola amigo actualmente recomiendas el modelo de casio ap470? O me recomiendas otro ?
Hi there! It all comes down to a matter of personal preference. The AP470 has a great, natural piano sound. The touch is lighter than other models, but that might be the preference depending on your playing style. I would also recommend checking out the new AP-S450 and AP-550 models, which are the successors to the AP470. :)
@@MerriamPianosmuchas gracias amigo
Hi. I have noticed you do not review yamaha's CLP range. Is that a reason for that? Thanks
Someone said Merriam is not a Yamaha dealer.
@@JoeLinux2000 oh ok. That may be the reason. But Stu has reviewed the portable ones. 🤔
@@giovannisantos5996 Stu has openly admitted to have a preference for Kawai. His company, Merriam Music, does not carry the Yamaha lineup. In his comparisons, he always find fault in Yamaha digital pianos. They probably buy a few basic portable pianos just for the reviews, mostly as a way to enhance the image of Kawai, Roland, and Casio, which are the brands they do carry.
@@JoeLinux2000 Yes, I have said that several times. You can check their website.
@@Instrumental-Covers Many thanks.
Why does no one showcase the app for the casio, you should be able to change string resonance, damping etc. as far as I know
Thanks for your feedback! I think dedicating a full deep dive video into various companies' apps would be quite exciting. Thanks for the idea! We will do our best to tackle that in the near future. :)
Thank you, Stu. Probably this video has the least politically correct comments that we can ever hear from you. You're the best 👍.
I come to these videos just to hear Stu play. Stu, sre you playing some music which you have already played before or are you just improvising on tge spot.
Hi Stu, I loved Roland’s offer, particularly the concert piano sound, gooses bumps when you are playing it, however, I notice the book stand for these two piano are having quiet different location, I want to know if F701 low position book stand will affect my posture, literally I need to practice everyday with music book, will this get my neck sore or bad posture for playing it?
Check out Roland RP701. Same engine as F701 in a more traditional cabinet.
Listening to this video on headphones (Apple AirPods Pro) the 1976 Suitcase sound of the Roland is possibly best described as "freaky" in terms of balance? It's constantly shifting - really rather quite annoying? Is this true to the instrument?
Can you compare the Roland FP60x vs the Kawai Es520
I think this is what you're looking for ruclips.net/video/YzBxH5Vdd98/видео.html
@@douga8296 oh wow hey thanks lol
Very soon there’ll be models without rock piano and jazz piano.
They are listening, Stu.
Please play Grand Concert Piano
Have budgeted 2,000us$
+ can stretch a lill more if needed.
For a portable digi piano keyboard which will move around occasionally.
Need the best PIANO sound in that price bracquet.
Also need Transpose feature + midi connect to Apple Garageband / Logic / DAW
I don't care about other additional instrument sounds.
What can I buy?
And can I pls get ur affiliate link for the purchase
Thanksa ton
VSPA TMX: 25 metres seems a long way to move a console piano regularly (outdoors) without damaging it (even with two people) so maybe a portable is better, but that will take longer what with putting it in a bag or case. Please do not carry a portable piano under one arm or with a bear hug. Wrecks the action!
With a portable piano you get more features, but weaker aesthetics, and they tend not to last as long. Roland is very good within the budget you mention. I suggest the F-701 and the FP-60X. The F701 & FP-60X both offer MIDI over USB and Bluetooth. The RP-701 is slightly nicer (cabinet shape and resonance) than the F701, but is a few kilos heavier and is sometimes a little more expensive. Otherwise, it is the same instrument. The Roland FP90X is even better, and should just squeeze into your budget. Use a bag/case with castors to move it unless the path is too uneven.
Another good contender is the Yamaha P-515 which has Legacy MIDI and USB MIDI and many other exciting features, but does not offer MIDI via Bluetooth. It's priced between the FP60X and the FP90X, so it's well within your budget. So far, I always look closely at the Rolands but end up buying a Yamaha. Once again, it warrants a bag with castors.
@@Zoco101
Thanksa ton
That was extremely insightful and useful.
I just casually heard someone else play a
Roland 30 ( not 30x)
And then I heard
yamaha 125
For the few odd mins I heard..
I preferred the yamaha piano sound.
Then I saw wireless midi in action on some other brand.
Now I want the new
Yamaha 515 successor
Which will have
Wireless midi.
My alternative is to take a demo of roland 90x
And then buy that and get my project started.
Don't consider the DGX-670. Way too heavy and hard to move. Internal piano voice is mediocre at best but they can sound good in an automated mix. If I were you I would look for a light weight piano that works well with Pianoteq. Unfortunately Stu never tests any digitals to find out how compatible they are with Pianoteq. The DGX which is a heavy beast works perfectly with Pianoteq because there is no latency between the two which was not the case with a Casio PX-150. Take your Garage Band set-up to someone that is selling a used Casio or something else that's easy to carry.
@@vspatmx7458 You're welcome. Seems you want the most up-to-date gear. MIDI over Bluetooth is nice for sending data, but Bluetooth always has latency, so if you're receiving instructions from Garageband (as well as sending) that could be a problem.
And now for a more esoteric solution: For the same price as most of these instruments you could buy two Korg D1s. You could upgrade the sounds with a V3 module or with a computer VST if that doesn't mess up your Garageband arrangement.
@@Zoco101
Thanks once.. Again
I'll examine those possibilities as well
Rant peaks @26:08 when he starts sounding like Mika 😂😂😂
Fingers crossed that one of these days a digital piano will be equipped with a really excellent, knock-your-socks-off upright piano sound! ;)
Nice to see an objective and intelligent review (I’m new to this channel). I also find it gratifying when reviewers express opinions I have always held-like “rock piano” sounds are terrible! And upright piano sounds are almost as bad!
I'm confused about your assessment of whether Roland gets the "upright" tone right or wrong. At roughly @25:10 when you go off on your rant about upright sounds on digital pianos (tangent warning; use this as a "skip to the recipe button") SAY IT AGAIN LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK. My music teachers always would assume I practiced on a baby grand at home and when I told them it was my Grandma Barbara's old Howard upright they would audibly clutch pearls... 💅🙄. And then they would ask me whether it was an RS Howard or a "Baldwin Howard" Howard. Pitch, please, like I know? I still have no clue which it is🤷♂️😅. I digress.
Back to my original question:
To your ear, does the Roland get the upright tone right or wrong?
can you add wheels to these pianos?
yes
Convinced you could get an undergraduate degree in piano keyboards just by watching this man's videos.
Haha I definitely agree with the sentiment! That would be a very cool program and course of study in my opinion! :)
Are these just broken chords you are playing or are they specific songs? If it's songs what are the names?
Stu's harmonic concept is extremely sophisticated. Only the very best professional players are able to accomplish what he is doing. I think his first tune is a sophisticated version of Green Dolphin Street. He's way beyond basic triads. He generally plays in a polytonal style where the harmonies are triadic extensions of a diminshed 7th foundation applied over an open 7th. That said, I think Stu is a very strong ear player who is not consciously thinking of the specific technical aspects of each of the harmonies. However if asked, he could explain the premise of each of them.
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@@JoeLinux2000 Beautifully explained.
here in Brasil 470 8k vs 701 11k. 3k more is hard to pay
Thanks so much! We appreciate you sharing the pricing insights. :)
In Italy the price difference is € 250...300, not a little difference.
The Roland must be more
I can't help it but while the roland sounds like a piano to my ear, the casio sounds like a record of a piano. I've being playing them both in a store and really didn't like the casio. You can literally hear that it's a speaker
In india,, the price of roland is doubled the price of casio ap 470
There are a number of factors that influence price points and they can vary quite drastically in different markets.
Ya 😢
A bit biased review seeing as the Casio is an older model.........I liked the Casio warmth much better.........
While the F701 is a current model, it has been around for a little while too. They are both excellent instruments of course. They simply offer different musical flavours. :)
At this price point, the Kawai KDP 120 is the best option by far
Kawai cn29 better
Responsive Hammer III 'Advanced key action.
Kdp120 entry level key action
@@xlokn Of course it is better. And a Kawai Shigeru SK Grand for 150.000$ is better too. That's why I said "at this price point". At least a new one. Of course, if you look into the used market, go for a CN 29.
both dp piano sound are too bright for me, even w/ the mellow sound.
1 vote for ROLAND F701
The Roland F701 has an amazing tone and touch. There is certainly no denying that! It really does offer fantastic value. :)
Casio has not improved thier sound at all in 6-7 years. I laugh at the sound quality of the casio in the video because its exactly the same as my $500 casio privia px160 I bought 6-7 years ago. The only thing good about the casio pianos is that they have long keys even on thier cheaper models. I am frusturated that all of these manufactures have not lengthend the keys of thier digital painos but seemed to improved everything else. They are neglecting improving the lenght of the keys. Short keys is THE number one thing that holds digital piano actions back across the market.
Hi there! I would say that the new Casio PXS6000 and PXS7000 mark an impressive step up in terms of piano sound. Personally, I also really like the new actions they possess as well. I would say they are certainly worth checking out! :)