Hey everyone! Funny thing, Toei decided to bend me over and fuck me in the ass by striking my video after I had already uploaded it and it was clean from any copyright issues. So now I'm fucked and I'll get no money from this because my appeal was denied immediately! Awesome! I normally only beg as a joke but if you could check out some of my other vids I would appreciate it. I'm gonna keep the video up just for engagement, I doubt reuploading it will allow it to garner the same traction. Thanks in advance.
Yeah, Toei is famous for being unreasonably unfair with copyright claims. Doesn't help that youtube's copyright system is so weighted against creators.
@@toxic_shr00m yeah I remember when the adpocalypse was going down years ago pretty much every content creator I watched openly complained about this system, I guess I couldn’t fathom how truly bad it was until I had to deal with it myself 💀
@@biglightning88 dont show every frame being the anime when u talking, have a base like video game footage of dbz or white backround with a png and the footage in a small box.
@@-hu1fc yeah that was probably my mistake. Once I got the upload completed for the first time and it was all clear, the only anime clips that got claimed were some of the longer ones where I play the clip in full with audio. But also every single movie clip longer than 10 seconds got claimed. I saw this as a reason to not censor the shorter clips but those are now getting me fucked too, so it all just got piled on top of me because I didn't put a border around the whole vid that takes up half the screen. If I do DB content in the future I'm probably sticking to manga panels
It's an unfortunate victim of the fact super didn't start production until after two movies. I can guarantee they would've done more with god had they actually planned to make a longer story than two movies.
My main issues with the ssjb form has always been that It was introduced way too early without any buildup or explanation that completely overshadows super Saiyan God, and feels way too overused and gets shit on constantly by every single villain and opponent In my opinion, super Saiyan God should have been the default form of the series and they should have only switched to blue when necessary or as a last resort.
@@TheAzulmagiawhat? He turned into Blue evolution and defeated god of destruction Topo. And blue goku had some pretty good fights in the anime. I feel like they were intentionally powering down to save energy like when fighting Jiren and Kefla. Ssb is basically just supers version of super saiyan 1 since everyone is a threat now and super saiyan 1 was kinda of Jobber in the past. Especially when they fought the androids and cell☠️
No, ROF Gohan is genuinely horrendous and you did not go hard enough on him. Lmao he suffered about as much as Goku in terms of character assassination. What Gohan did in that movie was fail a test again because he did not study, with his first failure being in the Buu saga even after having his issue SPELLED OUT to him by Vegeta. He slacked off so bad he couldn't access the form he INTRODUCED to the franchise. I don't know why people mince their words so much when discussing Gohan especially when it's as blatantly bad as it is in this movie
Yeah, Gohan's my second favorite char, and I get he doesn't like fighting but bro, you live in the DB world even if he doesn't train to push himself like Goku and Vegeta at the VERY least he could train to maintain his levels of new found strength. At least he can avoid getting caught lacking like RoF but they keep reusing that char arc it's insane.
@@Naruku2121 he really has no excuse. You would think him gaining a family would actually push him to train more cuz now he genuinely has a more personal reason to stay strong. I might be reaching but this isn’t just character assassination. It’s emasculation as well. Why wouldn’t the father want to be as strong as possible to protect his family? I can’t believe Gohan had to lose Piccolo in a shitty nostalgia baiting sacrifice to learn this lesson. Smdh.
@Naruku2121 Yeah you're exactly right Gohan is also like my favorite character which is exactly why I can't stand how poorly he's written half the time. Like literally the only reason anyone was alive is because Frieza happened to wait for Goku and Vegeta like what if Frieza just blew up the planet immediately? Worst part is that the story likes to portray Gohan as an intellectual type of character when he makes dunderheaded decisions like not training despite world ending threats coming to his planet since he was BORN. "Gohan didn't want to be a fighter!" That's no excuse his entire character is that he doesn't like to fight but MUST this is also something SPELLED OUT to him by 16 during his speech. Gohan also has insane potential so he doesn't even have to train that much to attain immeasurable strength the amount of slacking he had to do in order to get that weak is genuinely impressive 💀
@@tristysstuff6664 Yeah it's basically my sentiments exactly. If they written Gohan with the intelligence that he should have. He would of realized his failure after the mishap with Buu and Cell. Like Gohan has a strong desire to protect and care for those that he loves that's genuine motivation that he can use for his training. Like they keep making him squander every new power he gets, when his sense of duty to protect is such a core part. It's his Human aspect that gets overlooked when it could be compelling when compared to Goku and his desire to be better than he was before and Vegeta and his drive to simply be the best.
Vegeta was being a hard ass who didn't understand that Gohan had literally been told to beat Cell then go become a scholar, of course he slacked on his training. And after Buu, where the entire arc is how there shouldn't be just one person everyone looks to, his Dad is back, Buu becomes an ally, and he gets together with Videl. He really wouldn't have much reason to train much, especially after Goku becomes a fucking God. RoF is ass, but Gohan was one the least shitty parts of it
So does anyone else realize that the "borders" thats been used throughout this video is just straight up Krillin from OG DB being *comically stretched* into oblivion Now i iust cant unsee it lmao
I REALLY hope you bring up the fact that SUPER SAIYAN BLUE was wasted as a firm here and shouldn't have made it's debuting appearance here. I truly think the form would've been appreciated more by the fans as well as aging better if it had instead made it's debut when Goku gets angry because Goku Black talks of killing Goku's family in an alternate timeline and powered up when he was fighting Goku Black & Zamasu.
"Oh it should have came in the Goku Black Saga" 😂 bruh they wouldn't even have made it to The Goku Black Saga, they would have gotten one shotted by Golden Frieza without Blue.
The biggest problem is how everyone is out of character, especially goku who was blatantly regressed so they can pad super with the illusion that he's always been like this and needs to grow. It's gaslighting and a disrespect to everything that came before.
And it was also necessary, Goku's 'arc' for what it was, had been complete since he went Super Saiyan. Toriyama attempted to have Gohan take the mantle and become the new hero but the Japanese fans rejected it wholesale, refusing to accept anyone else as the hero other than Goku. So what do you do when you're essentially strongarmed into continuing a series in which the main character has fully matured and you're not allowed to shift the story to focus on someone else? You have to regress that main character so that there's something for that character to do. I know Western Dragon ball fans would be satisfied with new Super Saiyan forms for perpetuity and pretend that its character development, but that's not how you write a story. The fact of the matter is that Super never needed to exist, but people were screaming for 'Dragon ball Z' to return for so long without realising what that was going to mean.
@@DragoEpyon *"I know Western Dragon ball fans would be satisfied with new Super Saiyan forms for perpetuity and pretend that its character development"* ----------------------------------------- You mean exactly what the Eastern-made DBS does?
I don't know why Super always assumed that Goku wasn't a martial arts master who was overconfident and let his guard down in stupid ways, it was really annoying to watch on top of him acting even more like a child than usual, Z Goku knew when to be serious when it called for it.
12:06 another point in why he let him, is that he notes in the "maximum desperation" chapter from the manga, that if Freeza really wanted to blow up the planet, he would had, but didn't so they could had this fight. Along with him wondering to himself what was taking Gohan and the others so long to escape in the next chapter, it seems another part was humoring Freeza to let them have the time to flee the exploding planet. That's how I personally read it anyways, ofc the parts about wanting to humiliate Freeza at his strongests and whatnot still apply regardless
Resurrection of F is the worst Dragon Ball movie. The entire movie is an hour and 30 minutes of Frieza getting his ass kicked and Vegeta got his W cucked again by Goku.
14:50 it’s even more absurd when you remember that when Goku first fought Frieza and turned his back to him he was able to dodge Frieza’s ki disc while IN BASE FORM, yet got taken out by a laser gun YEARS later, in a much more powerful form, knowing not to let his guard down around Frieza. It’s like the writers of Resurrection F didn’t even watch the original series 🤦♂️
I'll be honest, I think this arc would have been 1,000 times better if Goku and Vegeta were away training the whole time and Gohan, Piccolo and the humans had to step up and beat Freeza. It would have been much more believable for Freeza to close that gap rather than going to SSJ Blue level in 4 months.
The funniest thing is, you could easily cut this arc out and nothing would change. They'd use SSB in the U6 tournament arc, Goku would meet Frieza before the ToP anyway, and the Earth was restored shortly after its destruction. Wait, that's kind of what the manga did. It just acknowledged its existence, but they just skipped from BoG to the tournament.
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue both have got to be the most lazy names ever. Just imagine if they called Super Saiyan God “Super Saiyan Red” as if it didn’t have anything more special about it other than being red.
What other names did you want? If you don’t like em, come up with something else, Super Saiyan God is a decent name. Super Saiyan if anything is a lazy name, what more do you want?
Saiyan God would’ve been better seeing how SSG is currently just a Saiyan’s base form using god ki. Blue then being the god base stacked with Super Saiyan would’ve been a perfect opportunity to name it Super Saiyan God instead of the word jumble we got.
@@MrSgtRecon I would have liked a name that reflected more about what the form does. Take “Ultra Instinct” for example. The form is all about how you forgo all natural thought and act purely on instinct to fight your opponent. It’s a powerful name that tells you very quickly what the form is about. “Super Saiyan God” is also a very simple name; it’s super saiyan imbued with God Ki/Divine Energy making it at the level of a God. “Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan” is such a word jumble and it tells me nothing about the form other than it just being the super saiyan level form of SSG (which is incredibly confusing to even think about). If that’s all it is, then that’s incredibly lazy in my opinion.
@@Mallicor that’s fair. I have my own fair share of problems with Super Saiyan 3, though Super Saiyan 2 I think is a nice name when compared to the other forms that were introduced in the Cell Saga. You have the Super Saiyan grades which, while powerful, where nowhere near the true increase in power to super saiyan. Calling the form Super Saiyan 2 truly distinguishes it as the next level of evolution to Super Saiyan that was trying to be achieved through the arc.
@@nionlietz2488 That's kind of how I feel too. If he gets brought back all the time just for Goku and Vegeta to fight again, he gets tiring. He's fun to watch, but the same motive/character gets boring after a while. TOP forced him into having a new dynamic with Goku and put him in situations he otherwise would never be in. Plus the end of the Granola/Heaters Arc where we're introduced to Black Frieza and he just takes care of the bad guy for Goku * Vegeta and proceeds to one-shot them then just flies off shows his character growth too. Goku and Vegeta give Frieza a reason to keep growing & he knows it. Frieza absolutely hated any challenge when he was the self-proclaimed 'emperor of the universe. Unfortunately, with Toriyama's passing I have no idea what's going to become of the IP, but Frieza having different dynamics other than generic villain is when he's at his best.
I exported and uploaded this video a total of 31 times because the RUclips copyright flagger is the worst thing ever. It straight up refused to tell me all of the parts that were claimed and instead gave me one per upload. I eventually just added the border and filters but holy shit that was awful. This is my sign to not make Dragon Ball content.
Yeah this arc was a mistake, it was like 10 steps back from all the good BoG did for the franchise. Like how cool wouldve been if the first time Freeza was mentioned was when they were recruiting for the ToP. Goku knew he was in caccoon hell bc of his 7 years in the afterlife. And Freeza gets stronger bc he trains with Goku and Vegeta instead of 4 months training alone and somehow getting to their level. And the first time we see Golden Freeza is in the ToP.
People will still try to defend Frieza being as strong as he is in Resurrection F, despite it making no sense whatsoever. Frieza was Super Saiyan Namek Goku level when he was put back together and got killed by Trunks. He was immobilized in a cocoon for a decade and some change, being wished back to life and put back together. Frieza trains for four months, with a nameless, unremarkable soldier. Somehow achieves power on the level of Super Saiyan God. And don't give me any of that "Frieza has potential" bullshit, Golden Frieza makes no sense. It's shit. It's inexcusable.
I mean I don’t wanna be that guy but yeah. Some characters are written to just be stronger than others, and therefore some don’t need to train as much as others. Like Hit, who didn’t even think to try pushing himself in a fight until he fought Goku. He was already that damn powerful without training. These characters can be written as strong or as weak as the author sees fit, so I personally don’t have a problem with characters like Frieza and Broly just being gifted children.
Well the best explanation is that DBS just happens to take place in an alternate reality where everyone’s potential scales to their power as well for some reasons.
No you're just projecting. Frieza has always been a gifted fighter who constantly fights with ego and pride in his heritage than anything else. Why do you think he calls Nameks "slugs" or saiyans "monkeys" he clearly sees them as inferior species because he himself is much more powerful. His power fits his character just well.
Goku doesn’t have as much of an overconfidence issue as Gohan but not killing your opponent you know you could defeat and has the potential to ruin everything I’d say is apart of overconfidence. Vegeta too if you want to include his immense pride but Vegeta never holds back to any threat while Goku does by warming up. You are right about Goku giving mercy to fighters that don’t deserve it but that lets you know he’s pure hearted.
True although Vegeta has held back for example his fight with imperfect cell ; he could have easily alliterated cell but choose not to too experience cells perfect form.
21:06 i will not argue that the anime did look significantly worse than the movie only because they have to animate it into a weekly format and they were still getting used to animating dragon ball again, it has been many years since they were doing that style. and i would like to argue that gohan was wearing that goofy tracksuit exclusively to hide his real power level so frieza could one shot him on purpose so he could watch piccolo get smoked one last time
I'll never get why they couldn't just recycle the movie footage and thus have way more time and budget to fill in the stuff in between. Best off to just watch the movies anyway since besides some funny frieza observations of newer characters he never saw and goku being beat/exhausted when shot with the laser weapon. Like the battle of gods "too much god energy is a problem" was completly abandoned so what was even the point in them trying to animate so much "original different material" anyway besides to waste everyone's time?
@@oneandonlysound99 the movies are absolutely the best ways to watch the start of super bar a couple episodes that fill in the blanks. most people start super with the u6 vs u7 arc anyway since the actual start of super is those arcs (they have been fixed up and are watchable but it's still better to just watch the movies, less time wasted cause of filler too lol)
@ Yeah I feel like we needed something like this back either before DBZ ended even if it might've been considered a filler arc because Dabura dying should've had more weight. But now it works within the explained world. Only seen Episode 1 so far but loving the entire concept a ton. Super should've been set after DBZ's time skip end tbh. Not that I don't look forward to The Morro arc (despite not liking the forced absorption/cell like repeat thing that happens) but I'm glad they gave us something like this I applaud toriyama for getting more involved too. "Buu Saga" might've been a bit off the rails but they should've let him do his thing more often, I do wonder what more the red ribbon army aspect would've had in the androids/cell story had they let him do that more besides "Dr. Gero was involved apparently and wants vengeance." Still one of my favorite DBZ arcs though, if anything I wish they'd ressurected Gero to try and stop the others like helping Bulma to make the deactivator and him trying to betray and being taken down by someone else (like Tien I mean if Piccolo could've wiped the floor with him why not).
What makes RoF bad is that it basically only exists to introduce a few new forms, with none of them really getting a new showing. Super Saiyan God existed in the previous film and could've been expanded upon, but now we have Blue-per Saiyan to be even cooler. Except Goku gets bodied by a laser and Vegeta gets killed by Frieza even when the latter is out of power. Meanwhile, Frieza more or less loses the exact same way as he did on Namek, completely undermining the new Golden Frieza. And just in case all of that wasn't bad enough, Beerus and Whis show up in a film that didn't need them to essentially say "Don't worry. As long as we're here, the Earth won't be destroyed.", obliterating any potential tension that might've existed. And don't even get me started on Gohan inexplicably losing all of his power since the last movie. The movie just feels like a toy commercial.
Yeah, my issues with the entire Dragon Ball Super project tend to mostly hinge on how super saiyan god and super saiyan god super saiyan were revealed. Toriyama had a tendency to immediately undermine his own ideas and never let them breathe for a bit before springing the twist on us
The form has a bunch of more important problems, but I will never forgive Blue for replacing God, the second best transformation and the most interesting one in the franchise in my opinion. Unique visual language for the franchise with the aura and slimer body. The only thing that compares is UI Omen/Sign. Interesting habilities independent of the power boost (regeneration, the bond technique from Broly). Interesting lore with the ritual and the scene where Goku taps into it for a moment after losing the transformation that (I interpreted) suggests Saiyans are not required for it. But no, just more power is the way to go. Also we are taking away the most unique things of God in the anime.
Super Saiyan Blue replaced SSG after The Battle of Gods Saga was over, just like SSG replaced SSJ3 after The Buu Saga yet you're not complaining about that.
@MajinUltraEgo Because of a few reasons: 1- Context: God appears almost two decades after the end of Z (in Japan) and for the big bombastic return of the franchise after Evolution. Blue appears only two years after BoG, in direct sequence of movies. 2-Relevance: SSJ3 is mostly used in the Buu saga as a sign that more transformations are not the way of defeating Buu. SSG is the gate opening to the realm of the gods and the only way to confront Beerus. 3-Unique & interesting: God has the most unique visual language of any transformation in the franchise other than UI Sign/Omen, the regeneration ability (that I think only appears in the movie, but don't quote me on that) and lore taking over the still visually interesting but nowhere near close to God SSJ3 and 4. In comparison SSJ3 and Blue are still recognizable as a design, but they are just a continuation of the SSJ design and lack any unique utility like God (that was expanded even more in Broly, btw).
To be fair on the part about frieza not perfecting golden form, it appears to be set up so that (spoilers) black frieza is a version that is not only stronger than the saiyans but also a form he took the time to master as he goes in it only to strike and then go out of the form instantly. It shows that frieza learned from his mistake the first time. This may have been done on purpose in RoF
I beg to differ... To me it showed in ROF he wasn't much smarter than he was on Namek. He only trained in ROF because he literally had no choice and did the bare minimum based off his potential. He still had that arrogance that he was above training in ROF. By the time the TOP rolled around, he had already mastered his Golden Form. What really humbled him was after the Broly movie. He saw SSJBKK, SSJBE, UI, and MUI but instead of training hard, he lucked up on Broly and tried to rely on him knowing if all else fails, he was still inferior. After seeing Gogeta, he had to humble himself and actually take training seriously. So he doesn't settle for closing the gap, he goes above and beyond to make sure the gap can never be closed between them again. I highly doubt they were thinking that far ahead from ROF to Black Frieza.
Besides Frieza and Tao I can’t think of many canon DB baddies who return as baddies outside of new incarnations, which are effectively different characters. You’re probably just thinking about Red Ribbon and Cell Max, rite?
And the same abilities. Seriously enough with absorption, the Super Morro arc is actually really good and I can't wait to see it animated but him pulling a cell (in looks/style) was so dumb and lazy. Then we got that cell max nonsense. Nevermind a second reb ribbon army thing after Dr. Gero/Androids (even if the story was altered to just be nothing but one's dude revenge done all over wrong). Then Frieza somehow becomes dragon balls reverse flash/professor zoom of constantly coming back over and over (DC character flash's main villain). And we've had how many "evil goku's now? I mean not counting Vegeta because he doesn't feel like "if goku was evil." Raditz, then Turles, Goku Black, the last one only even worked because of the voice actors showing off and being convincing. Legit suprised Daima didn't just ressuect Dabura. And if Buu is just going to fall asleep all the time why he is even around? I preferred when he fused and stayed that way with Uub and that was the end of that. At least with Tao it was like a first-time thing and future appearances in Z were gag episodes.
@@oneandonlysound99 Moro arc in the second half is basically resurrection of F and also rip off the Cell saga but just worse. Power scaling ruined the arc and what's the point of hyping up Vegeta if he's going to stay being a jobber.
One thing I will never forgive this movie for is the bs decision to suddenly make Roshi relevant again. He already served his role, purpose, and character arc back in OG. Him fighting again seems like such a cop out to bring a beloved character back and its so unnecessary. To add salt to the wound they doubled down on not giving characters like Yamcha and Chiaotzu who actually DO need redemptions their chance at spotlight not once but TWICE in favor of Roshi's old ass.
Dude this video is so good, you really get DB and I was nodding the whole time agreeing with you. I laughed out loud with the part about not bringing yamcha 😂along
Super Saiyan Blue actually does have a unique upside, unlike super saiyan the ki used for blue is much more calm and refined, leading to less stress on the user body. For normal fights that basically not means a lot, but for goku the calm and refined ki of super saiyan blue is what allow him to stack kaioken in the top without destroying his body instantly, it's also the reason why goku never used super saiyan kaioken in the earlier series. Now i'm not saying this make super saiyan blue automatically a good form, just saying that the form does have a upside, that is all.
The power drain was a pretty lame excuse for Frieza to lose. I was like "this shit again? Bro didn't learn his lesson from namek?" It makes sense he rushed back asap given how his character is. hes very revenge driven and psycho, given how he was on namek near the end which was part of his own wrong doing but you'd figure all that "first time" training he did he would have naturally learned to maintain his energy with it.
14:05 I think this is a localization trap. "overconfidence" is the wrong word, but what comes to you mind to describe all those moments? Pride. BUT, who comes to mind when you're thinking of pride? That's right, Vegeta. It was basically his catchphrase to emphasize the power of "Saiyan pride". But we both know Goku and Vegeta are very different kinds of Saiyans. That was the entire point of the Saiyans saga: a prince elite hanging on to the last remnants of his legacy vs a low class Saiyan who simply focuses on bettering himself, outdoing all expectations by a dedication to training under multiple masters. So you kind of run out of words to say "prideful but not really". "arrogance" is also wrong. Goku's pure of heart and has almost never looked down on others. The best but confusing ish term is "honorable". He assumes every opponent of his will treat him with respect. Despite being disproven by Piccolo (at the 23rd world tournament), Frieza, the androids, Vegeta again, Frost, and Frieza one more time. That sucker punch from whis kind of exemplifies that. Goku is far outclassed by Whis, but someone like Vegeta who is usually on guard would have reacted better than Goku who's assuming "what a respectable master".
As much I agree with some this stuff u can’t expect them to constantly use the same plot for every arc like use the piccolo death for example like u did it would kinda be irrelevant to show that bc for 1 we as fans of dragon ball know what they’re gonna do it’s pointless to show or make a big deal about to each their own tho
Resurrection F is about Frieza's return to life, ascension of his power after a update on his rivals, a battle to achieve his goal and prove his superiority, after that its about the Sayajins and Z fighters getting lucky with Whis rewinding time enough for Goku to correct the error Vegeta made in not finishing off Frieza fast enough. It was also the realization for Frieza to learn that his plan was ill thought out and its flaws (Goku reveals that to him), also for Vegeta to realize he didn't act soon enough and for BOTH of them to be robbed of their goals. Without the rewinding time part Frieza achieves his goals. Its true for both the movie version or anime version. Frieza realizes that before he is dead and sent to his own personal Hell only to be later brought back from for the tournament of power. The better question is if rebuilding the Frieza force is one of Frieza's goals then why does he destroy what he has of henchmen? A lot of those would of easily of been as powerful or more powerful (realistically much more powerful on average than his old forces in Namek Saga and before, though since it isn't stated they may not of been up to Ginyu force or even Cui's level of power or Zarbon or Dodoria. After all its known that the Frieza force allows and encourages training of his recruits (there is a gym shown with Cui's scenes as well as healing chambers) At most one can argue its animation budget or just Frieza's realization of the futility of his loyal soldiers and just blowing off steam.
Regarding the Ring blast that shot Goku and took him out, it makes sense with the Context that was supplied within the Manga where if the individual is off guard and doesn’t have the ki flowing throughout their body as if they are actively in combat that it would allow their bodies to still be “Fragile” or something to this effect. So in the context that Goku was yapping away to Frieza when he could’ve killed him at any moment and seeing how that blast came out of nowhere then Whis’s statement holds up here which is why he was taken out by it. This also makes sense in the context of Ssj2 Goku Vs Majin Vegeta where Vegeta hit Goku with multiple full force blows and ki blasts which Goku withstood but got knocked out from a single hit to the head while he was off guard.
Hot take: I like that Goku got no diffed by the laser gun. It doesn’t show a weakness in power; rather an unpreparedness and cockiness that was rightfully taken advantage of. I think the concept of cheap shots still being effective if the recipient isn’t prepared for it is GREAT and makes the power scaling so much more realistic! Although I don’t know how that concept lines up with the rest of the lore and what we’ve been shown before… that’s probably why people are mad
This arc is another reason why the manga is better, since not only do both Gokū and Vegeta use SS God in every single arc, but it _skips_ the return of Freeza outright. As in, the battle with Beerus, then straight ahead to the Universe 6 Tournament. Hell, they even clearly master SS Blue in the manga.
If Frieza never returned in the ToP this would the first filler arc that was cannon. I mean the Manga just skipped it with a quick hand wave of "yeah that happened... Anyway"
A major thing is that we are told that Golden Freeza could have instantly beat Goku if he had gone all out. Meaning Golden Freeza is drastically stronger than Blue initially. People say he got stronger from Image training, but I disagree. That was never stated. He only really states that he perfected his ki control, which would make sense from image training. I believe he didn't get stronger, he just managed to maintain his power, meaning the time between Freeza and the TOP saw Goku close the gap, not Freeza maintaining a match.
They really should have just introduced a new member of Frieza's race and have him do what Frieza did in Super. Basically do what Revenge of Cooler did. Resurrection of F was a precursor of the lazy rebooting of old characters and making them new. Broly should have been someone new, hell Black Goku should have evil Goten. Goku fighting his evil son would have rocked! The Rose form would make Goten go evil. At least with the filler movies of Z, they were always new and different. The best ones always had a new idea. Like with Jenemba and Hirudegan.
"filler movies of Z were always new and different" No they weren't, they were just plot points of the manga made into movies before the anime adaptation came. Obviously there are some exception's like Tapion but overall no.
This has to be the most rose tinted glasses comment you can make. The dbz movie villains were all just copies of villains from the actual show with cool designs. -Turles is just another radtiz -Slug is literally king piccolo -Garlic junior is pilaf but effective -Cooler is quite literally frieza but taller and different color, nothing too special past design and voice. -Janemba is cool but even he is just a movie version of majin buu -Android 13 is quite frankly just more androids -And even for the villains that were more original like wheelo, broly, hirudegarn, and bojack story beats were still often used. All that to say, i’m not defending the arc or trying to say it’s super good or smt but it’s just really odd to be mad at recycling villains (even though super fleshes frieza out more and builds on z) while citing the z movies as a good representation
im pretty sure frieza didn't actually kill any soldiers in the manga, that's just an anime thing. so resurrection f technically doesn't even get the credit of changing his character lol!
Whis wasn’t subverting expectations here. Rejecting other options to win just to test your strength does welcome in some overconfidence in Saiyans like Goku. His gullible and good-natured attitude often leads enemies to find his weak point(s).
Idk, Goku black arc is pretty bad but it also has a ton of wasted potential. It could have been one of the best arcs in db history. For resurrection F there isn't much hype, it's like let's see Frieza fight nothing else to get excited about lol
Gohan being somewhat rusty was fine at this point cause yeah his dad is back but they shouldn't have said he potentially couldn't go super. He should of said yeah I could easily mop the floor with all these fodder troops in seconds but I'm no match for Freeza now so it be best to "put on a show" and try and fool Freeza. That would have used the army better by Gohan whipping them w/o issue but Freeza not getting that he is just playing them. At least until Gohan shows off super by beating Ginyu and Freeza could figure it out. Odd how each of character has been exposed to SSG as well and they don't do anything with it for Gohan (who has been exposed to the elder Kai's awakening), Goten and Trunks. Though maybe that is why Gohan has beast now. Pan should get something with it as well.
I feel like Frieza's reintroduction to the series is a good choice, but it was poorly executed in this arc Frieza's character is much better used in ToP and so on, and when he appeared in the end of the Granola arc it was fcking fire
Some really valid points I didn't consider about structure and pacing of this arc, themes etc, but respectfully I think I disagree about ss blue. You could have also griped about the fact Freiza being wished back violates the established rules of the dragonballs of earth (which are more consistent than memes would have one think). The main reason I think the points about that are weak can best be illustrated by comparison: almost all of those points also apply to SS2. While initially showcased as having resulted from a lot of training to hone super saiyan, SS2 was created as narrative contrivance, to give Gohan something to show his sudden boost past cell. I would argue it was not originally meant by Toriyama to be taken as such a distinct form all its own, considering he claimed to have forgotten about it when creating SS3. This was not in the grand scheme of things all that long a time period, its clear fans have always seen more in SS2 than authorial intention, and the canon retroactively evolved around the fans understanding it to be a far more significant upgrade than the hulked out 'grades' of ss, which a long time ago english speaking fans used to call "ultra super saiyan". I bring up all that mainly to say, blue is not significantly worse on these types of things than SS2, or other forms. SS2 lacks tricks all its own, is generally less fleshed out in how it really differs from SS1 than even SS3 was, and it became a default state as of the buu saga, once Toriyama remembered to draw lightning to make it clear its SS2. On the other hand, I would literally NEVER argue SS2 is the worst form, for the same reason I would not say this of blue; it is beloved of the fanbase. Also consider that it is somehow cooler even for its slight difference from prior forms, and just feels like it works. The reveal of blue is comparable to the reveal of SS2, it fit the dramatic flow of the arc it belongs to, it made people cheer when they saw it. Simply by having a different color, it is instantly more distinct than SS2. imho blue just works, even if its dumb, convenient, and contrived. Being those things is par for the course with shonen, and dragonball especially so. That being said, Resurrection F utterly flushed the character development of Gohan down the toilet for zero tangible benefit dramatically, and its handling of Vegeta, or really anyone but Goku, is nearly as bad. I do think perhaps I was blinded by nostalgia on it back when it came out, perhaps it calls for a re-watch to see if its as bad as "worst in the franchise" but... even with all your points granted for argument's sake... Is it worse than Future Zamasu? Is Goku black not only just as uncreative an antagonist as frieza--again, but stronger? Zamasu and even black are wasted premises poisoned by horrible execution, character regression, overall pacing woes, and a garbage ending to the arc. The trend continued downward after RF, but it wasn't RF's fault, nor even Blue's. I think the worst part is that the highlights of what did get animated, are tournament arcs, ones not even as good as those from dragonball. Thats really kind of sad when Morro and Granola actually seem like compelling arcs with original ideas in play, despite some of their own flaws. Also as a minor gripe, I think its very semantics driven to quibble over over-confidence versus pride as goku's greatest fault in Weis' eyes. The difference in these concepts is minor enough that to a divine being, they may be not important to distinguish. Also, that was a dub line, so there may be a question of the wording being chosen to better fit mouth movement in animation. I also somewhat disagree that pride alone always better explains Goku's flawed actions than overconfidence. Consider for example, letting his guard down and getting shot by that laser in RoF, getting rabbit-punched after fighting Vegeta in the Buu saga being one of many more examples of this type of overconfidence. He consistently trusts things will work out, not always due to his own strength, or any kind of personal pride, but simply because he undervalues risks and consequences. The absolute best example of this is, to my eyes, giving cell that infamous senzu bean, though that could be argued to be pride in Gohan I suppose. final thought, ginyu taking tagoma's body making him way stronger, is totally valid and made perfect sense with his power, and also I thought that callback to ancient history was kinda the highlight of the poorer anime version tbh. I suppose mileage varries.
I honestly don't care much for Battle of Gods either. It's a fun movie on its own, and movie Beerus is a likeable character (anime totally ruined him), but it absolutely wrecks what was a fine ending that End of Z gave us by upping the power creep yet again, starting the modern-day waifuification of Bulma, and introducing the multiverse to DB.
Personally, I (controversially) think the worst arc is the Anime’s Tournament of Power Arc. Yes it had cool moments in isolation but the single setting, non-stop fighting & commentary from the sidelines for like 35 episodes was just painful to get through. It’s even boring to play through it in Sparking Zero. But I can definitely understand why you’d say Ressurection F is the worst. I agree with basically everything you said, especially on Super Saiyajin Blue undermining the far superior form in Super Saiyajin God. I think the overconfidence thing was a way to develop Goku.. by regressing him as overconfident first. Even what Whis describes as Ultra Instinct in this arc/movie is literally what Goku had previously learnt from Mr Popo.
My only problem is that Super wasted it's time in repeating the exact same story for literally no reason. With all that effort literally wasted, we could have gotten whatever manga arc comes after the TOP instead, before the never-ending hiatus, but nooooo.... @_@ I can defend most of the other things you bring up here, though. They aren't as bad as Vegeta's stupid-ass Super Saiyan explanation he comes up with later on, and itself isn't anywhere close to being as bad as anything GT did past Episode 2. I doubt anyone would argue those last two points at all, but I just wanted to get that off my chest.
The arc would have been better use to develop the Earthling, Gohan, Goten, Trunk and Piccolo. Like make them fight till Freiza Final Form then make him turn Gold so he is able to beat everyone combine force. Then Goku and Vegeta pop back in with SSJ3 match him and then SSG one shot Frieza. Like SSG should have been kept till Goku Black TBH.
I have so many issues with this arc. 1. SSJB should’ve been saved for when Goku goes NUTS on Black and Zamasu or at the earliest his fight with hit, replacing Kaioken Blue with… well Blue. Seriously, what story differences would there be if they just kept God for an arc or two or three? It looks great and is a nice change from the other super Saiyan forms. 2. The action is just bad. It’s slow, the choreography is uninteresting, and… well aside from Vegeta curb stomping Frieza, one of the few things I like in this movie but something that was ruined by possibly my biggest issue, there are no memorable action moments. Also the music is basically nonexistent, which can work, but it just felt so empty without the usual awesome music of the dragon ball franchise. 3. The overuse of CGI, at this point, it didn’t look good. In Broly and Super Hero, it looks great, but here? It’s pretty bad. It’s the kind of thing you’d see in a WII game cutscene. 4. Gohan… WHAT THE FUCK WE THEY THINKING?! I get he’s a family man now, but he can still train in his spare time. “I can still go super Saiyan probably” FUCK YOU! Base Frieza one shotting him should not have happened. There was no point in making him so pathetic and putting him into one of the worst outfits in the series. Speaking of outfit, and this is minor, but I really don’t like Goku’s gi in F and Universe 6. 5. The ending. Okay so Frieza blowing up the world and Whis rewinding time? I can accept that, that’s actually kinda cool and probably the only thing in this saga the anime did better because it showed everyone’s reaction to being instantly blown up, most people barely having time TO react. However, when Whis brought them back in time, instead of Goku just telling Vegeta to kill Frieza, he steals the kill from the one who clearly deserves it! I mean Christ! I really hate this movie and the saga is honestly worse.
It's easily the Super 17 Arc lmao. Worst Dragon Ball Arc of all time. I agree with most takes though. RoF is definitely flawed. Yeah that movie scene with him in Blue was stupid. It's good the anime at least made him in base. It's something to do with Ki control though. Though Buu Arc Goku was kind of a mix of overconfidence and selfishness. He fumbled by keeping SSJ3 away from Majin Vegeta and letting Goten and Trunks fight against Buu that was also very stupid. He was even dismissive of the fact that they saw their parents die and expected a five and seven year old (or however old they were) to fight an opponent like Buu even when they were drunk off of Super Saiyan power like any Saiyan when they get an overhand in battle. After that, he then decided to not use fusion against Buu only to cause himself even more trouble. It was only till then when he killed Buu completely. He also made the earth get destroyed technically. Or at least played a part in it. I just think Goku is Goku and whilst RoF definitely has problems with how it treats him since Buu saga Goku was punished and even humiliated for his pride/overconfidence/selfishness whilst RoF Goku wasn't which was a big problem. (Though one thing I love about RoF was Goku's Gi. He had that shit on.)
Ngl i feel like this movie would have been better if they just at LEAST held off ssb until later in the movie it would go like this: Goku and Vegeta are training on beerus' planet, and they do the little fist clash with the sparks of ssb like in the anime, but they dont straight up unlock it yet. Insert a little skip that's close to when frieza shows up and the movie plays kinda normally up until goku and vegeta arrive they fight in ssg and get the shit kicked most of the movie with it pretty much looking like a repeat of namek. They notice the stamia drain later into the fight while frieza is gloating but think its not enough of a drain to actually give them a chance, vegeta gets angry and tries drawing out more power and with doing so he flashes in and out of SSB, insert vegeta fighting frieza and knocking him aroun a bit and eventually finishing the job. Ik this was really long but i just wanted to share how i think RoF would be just a bit better
Super 17 is the worst arc… although this arc isn’t much better but super 17 had bad animation, reused animation, poor use of transformations, and here… I’ll do this. The only redeeming part of that arc is 18’s moment, and oh god the amount of Ki spam is on par with this arc in the anime. Proof that most of the stuff after Z is of lesser quality.
I personally don't mind how Super Saiyan God often is briefly used and used skipped over by Goku. He openly stated that he hated the power, because he didn't earn it. He didn't train to that level. To him, it basically feels like he used a cheat code. And Blue is something he actually did work for, supposedly, so ut makes sense to me that he'd prefer to use the for he feels like he actually earned. On the topic of these forms, the names definitely need to change, because Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is too long and Super Saiyan Blue sounds dumb to me Personally i think the red hair should be called Saiyan God. Then blue be called Super Saiyan God. But hey, it's not my show so I can't control wht happens
Goku hated the ritual form of SSG specifically because he didn’t feel like he earned it. We see him tap into the power on his own without the ritual (his own power) and after that point, he trains to master SSG through his own strength. It was just easier for him compared to Vegeta because the ritual allowed him to get a sense of what the power felt like, but he mastered it and made it his own.
Na only problem i have is God form not getting enough screen time, Another thing i dont understand is why do people use this SSJSS and not SSGSS. Also na 18 pulled off that look....... na dont bring up bio broly
Although this arc isn’t the best it’s mainly used as a marketing strategy to test the waters for seeing if people were still interested in the franchise and due to the positive and somewhat mixed reception we got Dragon Ball Super as a result so all and all I’m somewhat grateful and disappointed with the inclusion of this arc in the story
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Yeah, Toei is famous for being unreasonably unfair with copyright claims. Doesn't help that youtube's copyright system is so weighted against creators.
Damn, that sucks. Of course they go after the little guys too. Great vid tho man💪
@@toxic_shr00m yeah I remember when the adpocalypse was going down years ago pretty much every content creator I watched openly complained about this system, I guess I couldn’t fathom how truly bad it was until I had to deal with it myself 💀
@@biglightning88 dont show every frame being the anime when u talking, have a base like video game footage of dbz or white backround with a png and the footage in a small box.
@@-hu1fc yeah that was probably my mistake. Once I got the upload completed for the first time and it was all clear, the only anime clips that got claimed were some of the longer ones where I play the clip in full with audio. But also every single movie clip longer than 10 seconds got claimed. I saw this as a reason to not censor the shorter clips but those are now getting me fucked too, so it all just got piled on top of me because I didn't put a border around the whole vid that takes up half the screen. If I do DB content in the future I'm probably sticking to manga panels
honestly, my main problem is that regular ss god form was pretty much skipped and brought no time to really shine other than battle of gods.
It's an unfortunate victim of the fact super didn't start production until after two movies. I can guarantee they would've done more with god had they actually planned to make a longer story than two movies.
Vegeta uses it a lot in the manga, and Black goes gold instead of pink.
i feel like they might make an arc for that soon in the future, like how daima is reeally after buu
Not to mention "super saiyan god super saiyan" lol
Yeah..... the manga corrected this thankfully.
My main issues with the ssjb form has always been that
It was introduced way too early without any buildup or explanation that completely overshadows super Saiyan God, and feels way too overused and gets shit on constantly by every single villain and opponent In my opinion, super Saiyan God should have been the default form of the series and they should have only switched to blue when
necessary or as a last resort.
SSB Goku got jobbed almost as hard as Ultra Ego.
@@dansmith1661 SSB Vegeta wasn't much better off.
They turned ssb into a jabroni form😭
@@TheAzulmagiawhat? He turned into Blue evolution and defeated god of destruction Topo. And blue goku had some pretty good fights in the anime. I feel like they were intentionally powering down to save energy like when fighting Jiren and Kefla. Ssb is basically just supers version of super saiyan 1 since everyone is a threat now and super saiyan 1 was kinda of Jobber in the past. Especially when they fought the androids and cell☠️
And we could even say the old dbz movies made it a jobber too, but they aren’t canon.
No, ROF Gohan is genuinely horrendous and you did not go hard enough on him. Lmao he suffered about as much as Goku in terms of character assassination. What Gohan did in that movie was fail a test again because he did not study, with his first failure being in the Buu saga even after having his issue SPELLED OUT to him by Vegeta. He slacked off so bad he couldn't access the form he INTRODUCED to the franchise. I don't know why people mince their words so much when discussing Gohan especially when it's as blatantly bad as it is in this movie
Yeah, Gohan's my second favorite char, and I get he doesn't like fighting but bro, you live in the DB world even if he doesn't train to push himself like Goku and Vegeta at the VERY least he could train to maintain his levels of new found strength. At least he can avoid getting caught lacking like RoF but they keep reusing that char arc it's insane.
@@Naruku2121 he really has no excuse. You would think him gaining a family would actually push him to train more cuz now he genuinely has a more personal reason to stay strong. I might be reaching but this isn’t just character assassination. It’s emasculation as well. Why wouldn’t the father want to be as strong as possible to protect his family? I can’t believe Gohan had to lose Piccolo in a shitty nostalgia baiting sacrifice to learn this lesson. Smdh.
@Naruku2121 Yeah you're exactly right Gohan is also like my favorite character which is exactly why I can't stand how poorly he's written half the time. Like literally the only reason anyone was alive is because Frieza happened to wait for Goku and Vegeta like what if Frieza just blew up the planet immediately? Worst part is that the story likes to portray Gohan as an intellectual type of character when he makes dunderheaded decisions like not training despite world ending threats coming to his planet since he was BORN. "Gohan didn't want to be a fighter!" That's no excuse his entire character is that he doesn't like to fight but MUST this is also something SPELLED OUT to him by 16 during his speech. Gohan also has insane potential so he doesn't even have to train that much to attain immeasurable strength the amount of slacking he had to do in order to get that weak is genuinely impressive 💀
@@tristysstuff6664 Yeah it's basically my sentiments exactly. If they written Gohan with the intelligence that he should have. He would of realized his failure after the mishap with Buu and Cell. Like Gohan has a strong desire to protect and care for those that he loves that's genuine motivation that he can use for his training.
Like they keep making him squander every new power he gets, when his sense of duty to protect is such a core part. It's his Human aspect that gets overlooked when it could be compelling when compared to Goku and his desire to be better than he was before and Vegeta and his drive to simply be the best.
Vegeta was being a hard ass who didn't understand that Gohan had literally been told to beat Cell then go become a scholar, of course he slacked on his training.
And after Buu, where the entire arc is how there shouldn't be just one person everyone looks to, his Dad is back, Buu becomes an ally, and he gets together with Videl. He really wouldn't have much reason to train much, especially after Goku becomes a fucking God.
RoF is ass, but Gohan was one the least shitty parts of it
So does anyone else realize that the "borders" thats been used throughout this video is just straight up Krillin from OG DB being *comically stretched* into oblivion
Now i iust cant unsee it lmao
It's crazy that I didn't even notice the borders was there until 7 minutes into the video
They be finding any reason to kill piccolo man
Its subtle racism to Namekians man😂
More like they be finding any reason to give Gohan an Ass pull power up.
Killing piccolo is great for plot convenience!
I REALLY hope you bring up the fact that SUPER SAIYAN BLUE was wasted as a firm here and shouldn't have made it's debuting appearance here. I truly think the form would've been appreciated more by the fans as well as aging better if it had instead made it's debut when Goku gets angry because Goku Black talks of killing Goku's family in an alternate timeline and powered up when he was fighting Goku Black & Zamasu.
exactly that would've been much cooler
"Oh it should have came in the Goku Black Saga" 😂 bruh they wouldn't even have made it to The Goku Black Saga, they would have gotten one shotted by Golden Frieza without Blue.
@@MajinUltraEgo Dude, you know powerscaling is controlled by the author, right? Frieza could've simply been made into ssj God level
@@YoyiiiiYou'd think a guy called MajinUltraEgo would know that 😅
Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing goku using ssjg with kaioken against golden frieza eventually forcing him to go ssjgss
Yeah I hate this arc but not as much as I hate this video
LiL BoBo
Heart of shame
@@TheWholeInternetsLaghingAtMeyour just a glazer
@@brendanhughes5679 Reverse Flash levels of hating
Freckin based
The biggest problem is how everyone is out of character, especially goku who was blatantly regressed so they can pad super with the illusion that he's always been like this and needs to grow.
It's gaslighting and a disrespect to everything that came before.
And it was also necessary, Goku's 'arc' for what it was, had been complete since he went Super Saiyan. Toriyama attempted to have Gohan take the mantle and become the new hero but the Japanese fans rejected it wholesale, refusing to accept anyone else as the hero other than Goku. So what do you do when you're essentially strongarmed into continuing a series in which the main character has fully matured and you're not allowed to shift the story to focus on someone else? You have to regress that main character so that there's something for that character to do. I know Western Dragon ball fans would be satisfied with new Super Saiyan forms for perpetuity and pretend that its character development, but that's not how you write a story. The fact of the matter is that Super never needed to exist, but people were screaming for 'Dragon ball Z' to return for so long without realising what that was going to mean.
@@DragoEpyon
*"I know Western Dragon ball fans would be satisfied with new Super Saiyan forms for perpetuity and pretend that its character development"*
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You mean exactly what the Eastern-made DBS does?
I don't know why Super always assumed that Goku wasn't a martial arts master who was overconfident and let his guard down in stupid ways, it was really annoying to watch on top of him acting even more like a child than usual, Z Goku knew when to be serious when it called for it.
12:06 another point in why he let him, is that he notes in the "maximum desperation" chapter from the manga, that if Freeza really wanted to blow up the planet, he would had, but didn't so they could had this fight. Along with him wondering to himself what was taking Gohan and the others so long to escape in the next chapter, it seems another part was humoring Freeza to let them have the time to flee the exploding planet. That's how I personally read it anyways, ofc the parts about wanting to humiliate Freeza at his strongests and whatnot still apply regardless
Resurrection of F is the worst Dragon Ball movie. The entire movie is an hour and 30 minutes of Frieza getting his ass kicked and Vegeta got his W cucked again by Goku.
14:50 it’s even more absurd when you remember that when Goku first fought Frieza and turned his back to him he was able to dodge Frieza’s ki disc while IN BASE FORM, yet got taken out by a laser gun YEARS later, in a much more powerful form, knowing not to let his guard down around Frieza. It’s like the writers of Resurrection F didn’t even watch the original series 🤦♂️
I'll be honest, I think this arc would have been 1,000 times better if Goku and Vegeta were away training the whole time and Gohan, Piccolo and the humans had to step up and beat Freeza. It would have been much more believable for Freeza to close that gap rather than going to SSJ Blue level in 4 months.
Damn that mid fight cg looks a LOT more distracting than i remember it being in theatre lol
The funniest thing is, you could easily cut this arc out and nothing would change. They'd use SSB in the U6 tournament arc, Goku would meet Frieza before the ToP anyway, and the Earth was restored shortly after its destruction.
Wait, that's kind of what the manga did. It just acknowledged its existence, but they just skipped from BoG to the tournament.
Thus are gets skipped friezia couldn't train to get this golden form sp would be useless in top
@UltimatePollo3495 Unless he took a trip to the time chamber.
@AxisChurchDevotee no because as soon as friezia arrived that have to leave for top instantly so their would be no time
@UltimatePollo3495counter point: mental training in hell
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue both have got to be the most lazy names ever. Just imagine if they called Super Saiyan God “Super Saiyan Red” as if it didn’t have anything more special about it other than being red.
What other names did you want? If you don’t like em, come up with something else, Super Saiyan God is a decent name. Super Saiyan if anything is a lazy name, what more do you want?
Considering the low bar set with Super Saiyan 2 and 3 i think they are more creative.
Saiyan God would’ve been better seeing how SSG is currently just a Saiyan’s base form using god ki. Blue then being the god base stacked with Super Saiyan would’ve been a perfect opportunity to name it Super Saiyan God instead of the word jumble we got.
@@MrSgtRecon I would have liked a name that reflected more about what the form does. Take “Ultra Instinct” for example. The form is all about how you forgo all natural thought and act purely on instinct to fight your opponent. It’s a powerful name that tells you very quickly what the form is about. “Super Saiyan God” is also a very simple name; it’s super saiyan imbued with God Ki/Divine Energy making it at the level of a God. “Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan” is such a word jumble and it tells me nothing about the form other than it just being the super saiyan level form of SSG (which is incredibly confusing to even think about). If that’s all it is, then that’s incredibly lazy in my opinion.
@@Mallicor that’s fair. I have my own fair share of problems with Super Saiyan 3, though Super Saiyan 2 I think is a nice name when compared to the other forms that were introduced in the Cell Saga. You have the Super Saiyan grades which, while powerful, where nowhere near the true increase in power to super saiyan. Calling the form Super Saiyan 2 truly distinguishes it as the next level of evolution to Super Saiyan that was trying to be achieved through the arc.
I think bringing back Freiza is one of the worse decisions in Dragonball.
In this arc yes, when he is in the TOP no, he works pretty well in that arc.
@@nionlietz2488 That's kind of how I feel too. If he gets brought back all the time just for Goku and Vegeta to fight again, he gets tiring. He's fun to watch, but the same motive/character gets boring after a while. TOP forced him into having a new dynamic with Goku and put him in situations he otherwise would never be in. Plus the end of the Granola/Heaters Arc where we're introduced to Black Frieza and he just takes care of the bad guy for Goku * Vegeta and proceeds to one-shot them then just flies off shows his character growth too. Goku and Vegeta give Frieza a reason to keep growing & he knows it. Frieza absolutely hated any challenge when he was the self-proclaimed 'emperor of the universe. Unfortunately, with Toriyama's passing I have no idea what's going to become of the IP, but Frieza having different dynamics other than generic villain is when he's at his best.
Super was a mistake.
I'm so fatigued over Freeza and I really don't like how they've pretty much made him the Dragon Team's Joker like some Saturday morning villain.
Then Cell. Then Green Buus lmao
I exported and uploaded this video a total of 31 times because the RUclips copyright flagger is the worst thing ever. It straight up refused to tell me all of the parts that were claimed and instead gave me one per upload. I eventually just added the border and filters but holy shit that was awful. This is my sign to not make Dragon Ball content.
should've put Adam warlock don't be rash gif
@@feesh8551 I’m gonna touch you
Yeah this arc was a mistake, it was like 10 steps back from all the good BoG did for the franchise.
Like how cool wouldve been if the first time Freeza was mentioned was when they were recruiting for the ToP. Goku knew he was in caccoon hell bc of his 7 years in the afterlife. And Freeza gets stronger bc he trains with Goku and Vegeta instead of 4 months training alone and somehow getting to their level. And the first time we see Golden Freeza is in the ToP.
@@orbboom6119yeah I'm not sure if I would like that but I like your willingness to be creative.
@@biglightning88 can i watch
People will still try to defend Frieza being as strong as he is in Resurrection F, despite it making no sense whatsoever.
Frieza was Super Saiyan Namek Goku level when he was put back together and got killed by Trunks.
He was immobilized in a cocoon for a decade and some change, being wished back to life and put back together.
Frieza trains for four months, with a nameless, unremarkable soldier.
Somehow achieves power on the level of Super Saiyan God.
And don't give me any of that "Frieza has potential" bullshit, Golden Frieza makes no sense. It's shit. It's inexcusable.
I mean I don’t wanna be that guy but yeah. Some characters are written to just be stronger than others, and therefore some don’t need to train as much as others. Like Hit, who didn’t even think to try pushing himself in a fight until he fought Goku. He was already that damn powerful without training. These characters can be written as strong or as weak as the author sees fit, so I personally don’t have a problem with characters like Frieza and Broly just being gifted children.
If frieza did 5 pushups then the entire namek saga would end in 5 sec😭
Well the best explanation is that DBS just happens to take place in an alternate reality where everyone’s potential scales to their power as well for some reasons.
No you're just projecting. Frieza has always been a gifted fighter who constantly fights with ego and pride in his heritage than anything else. Why do you think he calls Nameks "slugs" or saiyans "monkeys" he clearly sees them as inferior species because he himself is much more powerful. His power fits his character just well.
@azurawhateverThat is the dumbest explanation. Dragonball fans trying not to have the weirdest headcanons.
Goku doesn’t have as much of an overconfidence issue as Gohan but not killing your opponent you know you could defeat and has the potential to ruin everything I’d say is apart of overconfidence. Vegeta too if you want to include his immense pride but Vegeta never holds back to any threat while Goku does by warming up. You are right about Goku giving mercy to fighters that don’t deserve it but that lets you know he’s pure hearted.
True although Vegeta has held back for example his fight with imperfect cell ; he could have easily alliterated cell but choose not to too experience cells perfect form.
How many times has piccolo died for gohan? Lmao
Piccolo might be worse than Krillin for Goku, oh my god
21:06 i will not argue that the anime did look significantly worse than the movie only because they have to animate it into a weekly format and they were still getting used to animating dragon ball again, it has been many years since they were doing that style.
and i would like to argue that gohan was wearing that goofy tracksuit exclusively to hide his real power level so frieza could one shot him on purpose so he could watch piccolo get smoked one last time
I'll never get why they couldn't just recycle the movie footage and thus have way more time and budget to fill in the stuff in between. Best off to just watch the movies anyway since besides some funny frieza observations of newer characters he never saw and goku being beat/exhausted when shot with the laser weapon. Like the battle of gods "too much god energy is a problem" was completly abandoned so what was even the point in them trying to animate so much "original different material" anyway besides to waste everyone's time?
@@oneandonlysound99 the movies are absolutely the best ways to watch the start of super bar a couple episodes that fill in the blanks. most people start super with the u6 vs u7 arc anyway since the actual start of super is those arcs (they have been fixed up and are watchable but it's still better to just watch the movies, less time wasted cause of filler too lol)
And now Daima looks freaking awesome
@ Yeah I feel like we needed something like this back either before DBZ ended even if it might've been considered a filler arc because Dabura dying should've had more weight. But now it works within the explained world. Only seen Episode 1 so far but loving the entire concept a ton. Super should've been set after DBZ's time skip end tbh. Not that I don't look forward to The Morro arc (despite not liking the forced absorption/cell like repeat thing that happens) but I'm glad they gave us something like this I applaud toriyama for getting more involved too. "Buu Saga" might've been a bit off the rails but they should've let him do his thing more often, I do wonder what more the red ribbon army aspect would've had in the androids/cell story had they let him do that more besides "Dr. Gero was involved apparently and wants vengeance." Still one of my favorite DBZ arcs though, if anything I wish they'd ressurected Gero to try and stop the others like helping Bulma to make the deactivator and him trying to betray and being taken down by someone else (like Tien I mean if Piccolo could've wiped the floor with him why not).
What makes RoF bad is that it basically only exists to introduce a few new forms, with none of them really getting a new showing. Super Saiyan God existed in the previous film and could've been expanded upon, but now we have Blue-per Saiyan to be even cooler. Except Goku gets bodied by a laser and Vegeta gets killed by Frieza even when the latter is out of power. Meanwhile, Frieza more or less loses the exact same way as he did on Namek, completely undermining the new Golden Frieza. And just in case all of that wasn't bad enough, Beerus and Whis show up in a film that didn't need them to essentially say "Don't worry. As long as we're here, the Earth won't be destroyed.", obliterating any potential tension that might've existed. And don't even get me started on Gohan inexplicably losing all of his power since the last movie.
The movie just feels like a toy commercial.
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Yeah, my issues with the entire Dragon Ball Super project tend to mostly hinge on how super saiyan god and super saiyan god super saiyan were revealed. Toriyama had a tendency to immediately undermine his own ideas and never let them breathe for a bit before springing the twist on us
The form has a bunch of more important problems, but I will never forgive Blue for replacing God, the second best transformation and the most interesting one in the franchise in my opinion.
Unique visual language for the franchise with the aura and slimer body. The only thing that compares is UI Omen/Sign.
Interesting habilities independent of the power boost (regeneration, the bond technique from Broly).
Interesting lore with the ritual and the scene where Goku taps into it for a moment after losing the transformation that (I interpreted) suggests Saiyans are not required for it.
But no, just more power is the way to go. Also we are taking away the most unique things of God in the anime.
Super Saiyan Blue replaced SSG after The Battle of Gods Saga was over, just like SSG replaced SSJ3 after The Buu Saga yet you're not complaining about that.
@MajinUltraEgo Because of a few reasons:
1- Context: God appears almost two decades after the end of Z (in Japan) and for the big bombastic return of the franchise after Evolution. Blue appears only two years after BoG, in direct sequence of movies.
2-Relevance: SSJ3 is mostly used in the Buu saga as a sign that more transformations are not the way of defeating Buu. SSG is the gate opening to the realm of the gods and the only way to confront Beerus.
3-Unique & interesting: God has the most unique visual language of any transformation in the franchise other than UI Sign/Omen, the regeneration ability (that I think only appears in the movie, but don't quote me on that) and lore taking over the still visually interesting but nowhere near close to God SSJ3 and 4. In comparison SSJ3 and Blue are still recognizable as a design, but they are just a continuation of the SSJ design and lack any unique utility like God (that was expanded even more in Broly, btw).
did he unironically said "DRAMATIC FINISH" and made sense?? Damn, this guy's good.
Me and my friends always say that this was a missed opportunity to make Cooler canon and leave Frieza dead for good
To be fair on the part about frieza not perfecting golden form, it appears to be set up so that (spoilers) black frieza is a version that is not only stronger than the saiyans but also a form he took the time to master as he goes in it only to strike and then go out of the form instantly. It shows that frieza learned from his mistake the first time. This may have been done on purpose in RoF
I beg to differ... To me it showed in ROF he wasn't much smarter than he was on Namek. He only trained in ROF because he literally had no choice and did the bare minimum based off his potential.
He still had that arrogance that he was above training in ROF. By the time the TOP rolled around, he had already mastered his Golden Form.
What really humbled him was after the Broly movie. He saw SSJBKK, SSJBE, UI, and MUI but instead of training hard, he lucked up on Broly and tried to rely on him knowing if all else fails, he was still inferior.
After seeing Gogeta, he had to humble himself and actually take training seriously. So he doesn't settle for closing the gap, he goes above and beyond to make sure the gap can never be closed between them again.
I highly doubt they were thinking that far ahead from ROF to Black Frieza.
Frieza: So what is this new form? Ssj with blue hair dye
I was so pissed in the beginning when they did this and the beerus arc had to wait a few months til the next one😂
11:40 holy cook idk why super tried to push the agenda Goku is this off guard merchant that's always getting hit when his back is turned
14:40 damn. Not even in this movie and Shin still catching strays after being sat on by Buu 6 years ago.
Dragon ball also needs to quit rotating the same villains to
Besides Frieza and Tao I can’t think of many canon DB baddies who return as baddies outside of new incarnations, which are effectively different characters.
You’re probably just thinking about Red Ribbon and Cell Max, rite?
@@welshlout3400a lot of people see Goku Black as a Turles clone lol
ayy mild take i think frizea coming back was good.
And the same abilities. Seriously enough with absorption, the Super Morro arc is actually really good and I can't wait to see it animated but him pulling a cell (in looks/style) was so dumb and lazy. Then we got that cell max nonsense. Nevermind a second reb ribbon army thing after Dr. Gero/Androids (even if the story was altered to just be nothing but one's dude revenge done all over wrong). Then Frieza somehow becomes dragon balls reverse flash/professor zoom of constantly coming back over and over (DC character flash's main villain). And we've had how many "evil goku's now? I mean not counting Vegeta because he doesn't feel like "if goku was evil." Raditz, then Turles, Goku Black, the last one only even worked because of the voice actors showing off and being convincing. Legit suprised Daima didn't just ressuect Dabura. And if Buu is just going to fall asleep all the time why he is even around? I preferred when he fused and stayed that way with Uub and that was the end of that. At least with Tao it was like a first-time thing and future appearances in Z were gag episodes.
@@oneandonlysound99 Moro arc in the second half is basically resurrection of F and also rip off the Cell saga but just worse.
Power scaling ruined the arc and what's the point of hyping up Vegeta if he's going to stay being a jobber.
ROF should've had goku turn red then frieza turns gold then we reveal SSG Vegeta and just give Vegeta the W, and reveal SSB in goku vs Hit
Ngl ssj blue shouldn’t have been introduced, since we just gotten a new form god could’ve probably been enough
One thing I will never forgive this movie for is the bs decision to suddenly make Roshi relevant again. He already served his role, purpose, and character arc back in OG. Him fighting again seems like such a cop out to bring a beloved character back and its so unnecessary. To add salt to the wound they doubled down on not giving characters like Yamcha and Chiaotzu who actually DO need redemptions their chance at spotlight not once but TWICE in favor of Roshi's old ass.
Dude this video is so good, you really get DB and I was nodding the whole time agreeing with you.
I laughed out loud with the part about not bringing yamcha 😂along
Super Saiyan Blue actually does have a unique upside, unlike super saiyan the ki used for blue is much more calm and refined, leading to less stress on the user body.
For normal fights that basically not means a lot, but for goku the calm and refined ki of super saiyan blue is what allow him to stack kaioken in the top without destroying his body instantly, it's also the reason why goku never used super saiyan kaioken in the earlier series.
Now i'm not saying this make super saiyan blue automatically a good form, just saying that the form does have a upside, that is all.
The power drain was a pretty lame excuse for Frieza to lose.
I was like "this shit again? Bro didn't learn his lesson from namek?"
It makes sense he rushed back asap given how his character is. hes very revenge driven and psycho, given how he was on namek near the end which was part of his own wrong doing but you'd figure all that "first time" training he did he would have naturally learned to maintain his energy with it.
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Resurrection F's introduction of SSB is like Goku would arrive already as a SSJ in the Namek Arc
Vegeta is literaly the guy who is always over confident
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*Freeza comes back 4 times after this*
The manga is so much better than the anime
The stamina drain thing with Freezy-pop might've been fine if there was other stuff going on in this disaster of an arc.
14:05 I think this is a localization trap. "overconfidence" is the wrong word, but what comes to you mind to describe all those moments? Pride.
BUT, who comes to mind when you're thinking of pride? That's right, Vegeta. It was basically his catchphrase to emphasize the power of "Saiyan pride". But we both know Goku and Vegeta are very different kinds of Saiyans. That was the entire point of the Saiyans saga: a prince elite hanging on to the last remnants of his legacy vs a low class Saiyan who simply focuses on bettering himself, outdoing all expectations by a dedication to training under multiple masters.
So you kind of run out of words to say "prideful but not really". "arrogance" is also wrong. Goku's pure of heart and has almost never looked down on others. The best but confusing ish term is "honorable". He assumes every opponent of his will treat him with respect. Despite being disproven by Piccolo (at the 23rd world tournament), Frieza, the androids, Vegeta again, Frost, and Frieza one more time. That sucker punch from whis kind of exemplifies that. Goku is far outclassed by Whis, but someone like Vegeta who is usually on guard would have reacted better than Goku who's assuming "what a respectable master".
...AGREED
...BUT indeed THAT WAS A NICE OFFICIAL FILLER,HEHE
As much I agree with some this stuff u can’t expect them to constantly use the same plot for every arc like use the piccolo death for example like u did it would kinda be irrelevant to show that bc for 1 we as fans of dragon ball know what they’re gonna do it’s pointless to show or make a big deal about to each their own tho
Resurrection F is about Frieza's return to life, ascension of his power after a update on his rivals, a battle to achieve his goal and prove his superiority, after that its about the Sayajins and Z fighters getting lucky with Whis rewinding time enough for Goku to correct the error Vegeta made in not finishing off Frieza fast enough.
It was also the realization for Frieza to learn that his plan was ill thought out and its flaws (Goku reveals that to him), also for Vegeta to realize he didn't act soon enough and for BOTH of them to be robbed of their goals. Without the rewinding time part Frieza achieves his goals. Its true for both the movie version or anime version. Frieza realizes that before he is dead and sent to his own personal Hell only to be later brought back from for the tournament of power.
The better question is if rebuilding the Frieza force is one of Frieza's goals then why does he destroy what he has of henchmen? A lot of those would of easily of been as powerful or more powerful (realistically much more powerful on average than his old forces in Namek Saga and before, though since it isn't stated they may not of been up to Ginyu force or even Cui's level of power or Zarbon or Dodoria.
After all its known that the Frieza force allows and encourages training of his recruits (there is a gym shown with Cui's scenes as well as healing chambers)
At most one can argue its animation budget or just Frieza's realization of the futility of his loyal soldiers and just blowing off steam.
Regarding the Ring blast that shot Goku and took him out, it makes sense with the Context that was supplied within the Manga where if the individual is off guard and doesn’t have the ki flowing throughout their body as if they are actively in combat that it would allow their bodies to still be “Fragile” or something to this effect. So in the context that Goku was yapping away to Frieza when he could’ve killed him at any moment and seeing how that blast came out of nowhere then Whis’s statement holds up here which is why he was taken out by it. This also makes sense in the context of Ssj2 Goku Vs Majin Vegeta where Vegeta hit Goku with multiple full force blows and ki blasts which Goku withstood but got knocked out from a single hit to the head while he was off guard.
I will simply never forgive them for taking Frieza away from Vegeta. I don't care what rationale there is.
Hot take: I like that Goku got no diffed by the laser gun. It doesn’t show a weakness in power; rather an unpreparedness and cockiness that was rightfully taken advantage of. I think the concept of cheap shots still being effective if the recipient isn’t prepared for it is GREAT and makes the power scaling so much more realistic! Although I don’t know how that concept lines up with the rest of the lore and what we’ve been shown before… that’s probably why people are mad
Goku is NOT a cocky fighter
This arc is another reason why the manga is better, since not only do both Gokū and Vegeta use SS God in every single arc, but it _skips_ the return of Freeza outright. As in, the battle with Beerus, then straight ahead to the Universe 6 Tournament.
Hell, they even clearly master SS Blue in the manga.
If blue was never a thing that would have prevented so many problems dragon ball super crested
Black Star Dragon Ball Saga... look at how far you've come 🥺 (you super fan boys better BACK up)
Hey at least the black star balls saga has some pretty animation buried in there (goku vs ledgic is way better than anything in this arc)
If Frieza never returned in the ToP this would the first filler arc that was cannon.
I mean the Manga just skipped it with a quick hand wave of "yeah that happened... Anyway"
Did bro forget about copy vegeta?😭😂
A major thing is that we are told that Golden Freeza could have instantly beat Goku if he had gone all out. Meaning Golden Freeza is drastically stronger than Blue initially. People say he got stronger from Image training, but I disagree. That was never stated. He only really states that he perfected his ki control, which would make sense from image training. I believe he didn't get stronger, he just managed to maintain his power, meaning the time between Freeza and the TOP saw Goku close the gap, not Freeza maintaining a match.
Id like to say that resurrection walked so that super Broly could run.
They really should have just introduced a new member of Frieza's race and have him do what Frieza did in Super. Basically do what Revenge of Cooler did.
Resurrection of F was a precursor of the lazy rebooting of old characters and making them new. Broly should have been someone new, hell Black Goku should have evil Goten. Goku fighting his evil son would have rocked! The Rose form would make Goten go evil.
At least with the filler movies of Z, they were always new and different. The best ones always had a new idea. Like with Jenemba and Hirudegan.
Yup bringing in Cooler would've been.. Cooler.
"filler movies of Z were always new and different" No they weren't, they were just plot points of the manga made into movies before the anime adaptation came. Obviously there are some exception's like Tapion but overall no.
This has to be the most rose tinted glasses comment you can make. The dbz movie villains were all just copies of villains from the actual show with cool designs.
-Turles is just another radtiz
-Slug is literally king piccolo
-Garlic junior is pilaf but effective
-Cooler is quite literally frieza but taller and different color, nothing too special past design and voice.
-Janemba is cool but even he is just a movie version of majin buu
-Android 13 is quite frankly just more androids
-And even for the villains that were more original like wheelo, broly, hirudegarn, and bojack story beats were still often used.
All that to say, i’m not defending the arc or trying to say it’s super good or smt but it’s just really odd to be mad at recycling villains (even though super fleshes frieza out more and builds on z) while citing the z movies as a good representation
im pretty sure frieza didn't actually kill any soldiers in the manga, that's just an anime thing. so resurrection f technically doesn't even get the credit of changing his character lol!
Whis wasn’t subverting expectations here. Rejecting other options to win just to test your strength does welcome in some overconfidence in Saiyans like Goku. His gullible and good-natured attitude often leads enemies to find his weak point(s).
I wish they resurrected the ginyu force as well, had them train, and pin them up against an equal, yet strong z fighter force
Idk, Goku black arc is pretty bad but it also has a ton of wasted potential. It could have been one of the best arcs in db history. For resurrection F there isn't much hype, it's like let's see Frieza fight nothing else to get excited about lol
Gohan being somewhat rusty was fine at this point cause yeah his dad is back but they shouldn't have said he potentially couldn't go super. He should of said yeah I could easily mop the floor with all these fodder troops in seconds but I'm no match for Freeza now so it be best to "put on a show" and try and fool Freeza. That would have used the army better by Gohan whipping them w/o issue but Freeza not getting that he is just playing them. At least until Gohan shows off super by beating Ginyu and Freeza could figure it out.
Odd how each of character has been exposed to SSG as well and they don't do anything with it for Gohan (who has been exposed to the elder Kai's awakening), Goten and Trunks. Though maybe that is why Gohan has beast now. Pan should get something with it as well.
Liked for doggo ending.
Not only his power but his drip was taken as well
This was the start of the downfall of the entire series and character assassinations
I feel like Frieza's reintroduction to the series is a good choice, but it was poorly executed in this arc
Frieza's character is much better used in ToP and so on, and when he appeared in the end of the Granola arc it was fcking fire
Some really valid points I didn't consider about structure and pacing of this arc, themes etc, but respectfully I think I disagree about ss blue. You could have also griped about the fact Freiza being wished back violates the established rules of the dragonballs of earth (which are more consistent than memes would have one think). The main reason I think the points about that are weak can best be illustrated by comparison: almost all of those points also apply to SS2. While initially showcased as having resulted from a lot of training to hone super saiyan, SS2 was created as narrative contrivance, to give Gohan something to show his sudden boost past cell. I would argue it was not originally meant by Toriyama to be taken as such a distinct form all its own, considering he claimed to have forgotten about it when creating SS3. This was not in the grand scheme of things all that long a time period, its clear fans have always seen more in SS2 than authorial intention, and the canon retroactively evolved around the fans understanding it to be a far more significant upgrade than the hulked out 'grades' of ss, which a long time ago english speaking fans used to call "ultra super saiyan".
I bring up all that mainly to say, blue is not significantly worse on these types of things than SS2, or other forms. SS2 lacks tricks all its own, is generally less fleshed out in how it really differs from SS1 than even SS3 was, and it became a default state as of the buu saga, once Toriyama remembered to draw lightning to make it clear its SS2. On the other hand, I would literally NEVER argue SS2 is the worst form, for the same reason I would not say this of blue; it is beloved of the fanbase. Also consider that it is somehow cooler even for its slight difference from prior forms, and just feels like it works. The reveal of blue is comparable to the reveal of SS2, it fit the dramatic flow of the arc it belongs to, it made people cheer when they saw it. Simply by having a different color, it is instantly more distinct than SS2. imho blue just works, even if its dumb, convenient, and contrived. Being those things is par for the course with shonen, and dragonball especially so.
That being said, Resurrection F utterly flushed the character development of Gohan down the toilet for zero tangible benefit dramatically, and its handling of Vegeta, or really anyone but Goku, is nearly as bad. I do think perhaps I was blinded by nostalgia on it back when it came out, perhaps it calls for a re-watch to see if its as bad as "worst in the franchise" but... even with all your points granted for argument's sake... Is it worse than Future Zamasu? Is Goku black not only just as uncreative an antagonist as frieza--again, but stronger? Zamasu and even black are wasted premises poisoned by horrible execution, character regression, overall pacing woes, and a garbage ending to the arc. The trend continued downward after RF, but it wasn't RF's fault, nor even Blue's. I think the worst part is that the highlights of what did get animated, are tournament arcs, ones not even as good as those from dragonball. Thats really kind of sad when Morro and Granola actually seem like compelling arcs with original ideas in play, despite some of their own flaws.
Also as a minor gripe, I think its very semantics driven to quibble over over-confidence versus pride as goku's greatest fault in Weis' eyes. The difference in these concepts is minor enough that to a divine being, they may be not important to distinguish. Also, that was a dub line, so there may be a question of the wording being chosen to better fit mouth movement in animation. I also somewhat disagree that pride alone always better explains Goku's flawed actions than overconfidence. Consider for example, letting his guard down and getting shot by that laser in RoF, getting rabbit-punched after fighting Vegeta in the Buu saga being one of many more examples of this type of overconfidence. He consistently trusts things will work out, not always due to his own strength, or any kind of personal pride, but simply because he undervalues risks and consequences. The absolute best example of this is, to my eyes, giving cell that infamous senzu bean, though that could be argued to be pride in Gohan I suppose.
final thought, ginyu taking tagoma's body making him way stronger, is totally valid and made perfect sense with his power, and also I thought that callback to ancient history was kinda the highlight of the poorer anime version tbh. I suppose mileage varries.
2:00 the rematch we never asked for
I honestly don't care much for Battle of Gods either. It's a fun movie on its own, and movie Beerus is a likeable character (anime totally ruined him), but it absolutely wrecks what was a fine ending that End of Z gave us by upping the power creep yet again, starting the modern-day waifuification of Bulma, and introducing the multiverse to DB.
The worst arc? Pretty sure the action is much better than super 17 arc in gt
there is a deep meaning, the deep meaning is that goku teaches Frieza that Frieza can learn from goku
Personally, I (controversially) think the worst arc is the Anime’s Tournament of Power Arc. Yes it had cool moments in isolation but the single setting, non-stop fighting & commentary from the sidelines for like 35 episodes was just painful to get through. It’s even boring to play through it in Sparking Zero. But I can definitely understand why you’d say Ressurection F is the worst.
I agree with basically everything you said, especially on Super Saiyajin Blue undermining the far superior form in Super Saiyajin God.
I think the overconfidence thing was a way to develop Goku.. by regressing him as overconfident first. Even what Whis describes as Ultra Instinct in this arc/movie is literally what Goku had previously learnt from Mr Popo.
Piccolo trained all his life with the strongest>>an extra who trained for 4 months...
32:40 funny thing i was actually playing animal crossing at this moment, though it was New Horizons on my Nintendo Switch™
My only problem is that Super wasted it's time in repeating the exact same story for literally no reason. With all that effort literally wasted, we could have gotten whatever manga arc comes after the TOP instead, before the never-ending hiatus, but nooooo.... @_@ I can defend most of the other things you bring up here, though. They aren't as bad as Vegeta's stupid-ass Super Saiyan explanation he comes up with later on, and itself isn't anywhere close to being as bad as anything GT did past Episode 2. I doubt anyone would argue those last two points at all, but I just wanted to get that off my chest.
In terms of canon, ROF is definitely the worst. If we are talking non-canon though, then Copy Vegeta and Super 17 are by far the worst
Its either this or the Granolah Saga for me.
Theres a reasons Freeza had to come back to end that trash.
The arc would have been better use to develop the Earthling, Gohan, Goten, Trunk and Piccolo.
Like make them fight till Freiza Final Form then make him turn Gold so he is able to beat everyone combine force.
Then Goku and Vegeta pop back in with SSJ3 match him and then SSG one shot Frieza.
Like SSG should have been kept till Goku Black TBH.
How is this different from broly
Which one
I have so many issues with this arc.
1. SSJB should’ve been saved for when Goku goes NUTS on Black and Zamasu or at the earliest his fight with hit, replacing Kaioken Blue with… well Blue. Seriously, what story differences would there be if they just kept God for an arc or two or three? It looks great and is a nice change from the other super Saiyan forms.
2. The action is just bad. It’s slow, the choreography is uninteresting, and… well aside from Vegeta curb stomping Frieza, one of the few things I like in this movie but something that was ruined by possibly my biggest issue, there are no memorable action moments. Also the music is basically nonexistent, which can work, but it just felt so empty without the usual awesome music of the dragon ball franchise.
3. The overuse of CGI, at this point, it didn’t look good. In Broly and Super Hero, it looks great, but here? It’s pretty bad. It’s the kind of thing you’d see in a WII game cutscene.
4. Gohan… WHAT THE FUCK WE THEY THINKING?! I get he’s a family man now, but he can still train in his spare time. “I can still go super Saiyan probably” FUCK YOU! Base Frieza one shotting him should not have happened. There was no point in making him so pathetic and putting him into one of the worst outfits in the series. Speaking of outfit, and this is minor, but I really don’t like Goku’s gi in F and Universe 6.
5. The ending. Okay so Frieza blowing up the world and Whis rewinding time? I can accept that, that’s actually kinda cool and probably the only thing in this saga the anime did better because it showed everyone’s reaction to being instantly blown up, most people barely having time TO react. However, when Whis brought them back in time, instead of Goku just telling Vegeta to kill Frieza, he steals the kill from the one who clearly deserves it! I mean Christ!
I really hate this movie and the saga is honestly worse.
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It's easily the Super 17 Arc lmao. Worst Dragon Ball Arc of all time. I agree with most takes though. RoF is definitely flawed.
Yeah that movie scene with him in Blue was stupid. It's good the anime at least made him in base. It's something to do with Ki control though.
Though Buu Arc Goku was kind of a mix of overconfidence and selfishness. He fumbled by keeping SSJ3 away from Majin Vegeta and letting Goten and Trunks fight against Buu that was also very stupid. He was even dismissive of the fact that they saw their parents die and expected a five and seven year old (or however old they were) to fight an opponent like Buu even when they were drunk off of Super Saiyan power like any Saiyan when they get an overhand in battle. After that, he then decided to not use fusion against Buu only to cause himself even more trouble. It was only till then when he killed Buu completely. He also made the earth get destroyed technically. Or at least played a part in it. I just think Goku is Goku and whilst RoF definitely has problems with how it treats him since Buu saga Goku was punished and even humiliated for his pride/overconfidence/selfishness whilst RoF Goku wasn't which was a big problem.
(Though one thing I love about RoF was Goku's Gi. He had that shit on.)
Ngl i feel like this movie would have been better if they just at LEAST held off ssb until later in the movie it would go like this:
Goku and Vegeta are training on beerus' planet, and they do the little fist clash with the sparks of ssb like in the anime, but they dont straight up unlock it yet. Insert a little skip that's close to when frieza shows up and the movie plays kinda normally up until goku and vegeta arrive they fight in ssg and get the shit kicked most of the movie with it pretty much looking like a repeat of namek. They notice the stamia drain later into the fight while frieza is gloating but think its not enough of a drain to actually give them a chance, vegeta gets angry and tries drawing out more power and with doing so he flashes in and out of SSB, insert vegeta fighting frieza and knocking him aroun a bit and eventually finishing the job.
Ik this was really long but i just wanted to share how i think RoF would be just a bit better
The anime version should have made a Cannon Cooler and revive King Cold that way we would have gotten more fights.
Super 17 is the worst arc… although this arc isn’t much better but super 17 had bad animation, reused animation, poor use of transformations, and here… I’ll do this. The only redeeming part of that arc is 18’s moment, and oh god the amount of Ki spam is on par with this arc in the anime. Proof that most of the stuff after Z is of lesser quality.
I personally don't mind how Super Saiyan God often is briefly used and used skipped over by Goku.
He openly stated that he hated the power, because he didn't earn it. He didn't train to that level. To him, it basically feels like he used a cheat code.
And Blue is something he actually did work for, supposedly, so ut makes sense to me that he'd prefer to use the for he feels like he actually earned.
On the topic of these forms, the names definitely need to change, because Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is too long and Super Saiyan Blue sounds dumb to me
Personally i think the red hair should be called Saiyan God. Then blue be called Super Saiyan God.
But hey, it's not my show so I can't control wht happens
Goku hated the ritual form of SSG specifically because he didn’t feel like he earned it. We see him tap into the power on his own without the ritual (his own power) and after that point, he trains to master SSG through his own strength. It was just easier for him compared to Vegeta because the ritual allowed him to get a sense of what the power felt like, but he mastered it and made it his own.
Ι agree it sucks but at least it set ups the amazing Frieza gold usage in TOP and gives him a message to master training leading to Frieza black
20 seconds into the video andi noticed the Apollo Justice music i love this
Na only problem i have is God form not getting enough screen time, Another thing i dont understand is why do people use this SSJSS and not SSGSS. Also na 18 pulled off that look....... na dont bring up bio broly
I love your Bulldog
Although this arc isn’t the best it’s mainly used as a marketing strategy to test the waters for seeing if people were still interested in the franchise and due to the positive and somewhat mixed reception we got Dragon Ball Super as a result so all and all I’m somewhat grateful and disappointed with the inclusion of this arc in the story
"Resurrection F is the worst" so we just gonna forget the black star dragon ball arc?
The only thing good about that arc was the para para brothers
I mean does it count since it's not canon?
At that point bio broly counts
I think frieza returning at all was a mistake
Cant believe they managed to make the anime version of it worse than it already was as a movie. quite a feat
This was well thought out and a good criticism, this deserves more views and I hope you get them. Cheers!