He probably searched ‘how much should a producer get paid’ and the interviews wit timberland and sizzle probably popped up and he trying to get that level of money
Yeah damn, I'd be happy with 2-5k some points, 50% and or other negotiations. We all make a lot of instrumentals, and if just 10 or 20 were leased, and we got 2-5k and 50% publishing you're already making a decent chunk of money. Going 300k instantly cuts off like 99% of customers being able to even work with you, like you're tossing up between less people with bigger payments or more people with smaller payments, and either or could profit massively for someone though. If you sold just leases at $30 and a million sold, that's a lot not including exclusives or pub deals and advances, etc.
@@broussardbeats yeah which is so silly- get the 5k and negotiate for a good amount of points or even some type of master split if you REALLY want to be shrewd
Thanks for the video and insights. It sounds to me that someone or even more than one, just don't understand Leasing beats and or publishing. When you are new to the biz and no one takes you under their wing and coach you, as soon as the song hits big, you will assume that you have been ripped off. And what you guys said about Timbeland, Spot On!!! People who are inexperienced hear that stuff and think that $300K is just laying around to be given to them.
Beatstars should create a point system where the producers get paid points for sales and streams and make a deal with the rapper before they buy it. Like whatever money it makes, the producer gets a percentage automatically into their bank account.
The default agreements ensure producers retain their copyrights on all leases. When it comes to negotiating with labels, they are the ones contracting the producers, and the contracts change.
The details are crazy… but still producer need more money for beats. No artist should offer $30 or agree to pay it unless they agree but $30 vs famous yt’er iono mannn
i looked at some clips of ddg and max discussing the situation and....my guess is that the "demand" for 300k is prob in response/retaliation to ddg and max being aholes every step of the way. those 2 have no respect for "nobody" producers even after those nobodies made you a hit. at the end of the day i feel bad for the 2 up and coming producers who it sounds like just got caught in the middle of some pettiness between some ahole artists and an ahole manager.
The fact that all them dudes sold beats for 30 bucks is a travesty to begin with. No freaking way my music going for 30 dollars or lower as i ve seen on some sites. I know my worth. That tactic of cheap tracks killed an industry. When an artist leases or buys that beat then blow up like Corona then dudes be feeling some kind of way like they've been robbed but they did that to themselves. I understand writers and publishing so naw...call me salty but I want mine all the way through: from the front , the middle, along the way even on the back end established from the get go so there's none of this that and 3rd arguments and confusion in the aftermath. 30 bucks! ...for a whole track??? BISHOP BULLWINKLE!!!
the producer asked for $20 at first and dgg gave em $500 for it, if he sold that beat for $500 that producer is definitely extorting, Zac don’t know what 300k looks like 😂😂 he crazy
If a company has a product and then makes an ad with a leased song, that song is not permanently fused with the product. But if a vocalist builds a song and releases it on a leased beat, its inseparable. So it'll be murdered? Idk l, id never rent a beat then keep renegotiating its price. Its like an ugly child custody battle
@ogralphbeats4035 yes I understand. Common practice nowadays, and if that's agreed to in contract then you gotta do it. Tough when it's not predetermined ratios. An artist shoots himself in the face for doing this to himself.
Producer sign a 360 deal he is not his manger he is the ceo.. ddg is sign to a label, the label came to ddg and told him to use the song as part of his deal.. 300k the ceo is trying to get from the label not DDG
I will just say I think the entire leasing beats practice just damages everyone in the biz overall. Artists hate the surprise changing price, I’ve watched artists lose their deal over leases gone wrong. Producers value is lowered, if you give the lower option they always gonna take it. It creates a perception of lower value overall for creative work. The only person it benefits is the normie who wants to mess around, and for people who are not serious and don’t care either way. Like there just has to be a better business practice that appeals to this tier of artist, without dragging the whole industry down and creating these wasteful lawsuits that hurt everyone.
Ur 1st deal u probably will lose out because u didn't use a lawyer or contract but take the 5k and a split and do future business, but try 2sue and get black balled it's a game
Yea he should have taken that $5K, kept his 50% publishing and royalties. If the record goes crazy he’ll make way more than that 5K on the backend. Now he just shot himself in the foot and nobody is going to want to work with him asking for that 300K. Now everybody thinks they are timbaland😂😂😂
Pretty much you sell me something you really dont want fir the low andi find a way to make it pop. Now you mad and want to come back to get more money. Youre stupid😂😂😂😂😂
If he was intending to sell it for 30, there's no way it's worth 300k. It's most likely a low effort beat as compared to those who might get paid 300k in the industry. Next time, he should do a little research on who's buying his work so he can negotiate before a deal instead of after a deal.
@@tallonted5663 while I clearly say that 300k is unreasonable in this video, I don’t agree with your comment at all. effort doesn’t amount to value- this isn’t how the business works.
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Just take your splits on royalties and be done!! 5k advance is just a bonus in the long run
He probably searched ‘how much should a producer get paid’ and the interviews wit timberland and sizzle probably popped up and he trying to get that level of money
😂
😭😭😭i used to believe everything heard in interviews so u might be right
Yeah damn, I'd be happy with 2-5k some points, 50% and or other negotiations. We all make a lot of instrumentals, and if just 10 or 20 were leased, and we got 2-5k and 50% publishing you're already making a decent chunk of money.
Going 300k instantly cuts off like 99% of customers being able to even work with you, like you're tossing up between less people with bigger payments or more people with smaller payments, and either or could profit massively for someone though.
If you sold just leases at $30 and a million sold, that's a lot not including exclusives or pub deals and advances, etc.
I always love mike met him a while back and still know his rule "Know your value" 🙂
That manager probably seen plaqueboymax and DDG subscribers on RUclips and thought we gotta reach high 😂
@@broussardbeats yeah which is so silly- get the 5k and negotiate for a good amount of points or even some type of master split if you REALLY want to be shrewd
Thanks for the video and insights. It sounds to me that someone or even more than one, just don't understand Leasing beats and or publishing. When you are new to the biz and no one takes you under their wing and coach you, as soon as the song hits big, you will assume that you have been ripped off. And what you guys said about Timbeland, Spot On!!! People who are inexperienced hear that stuff and think that $300K is just laying around to be given to them.
the video we been waiting for!!!
Nasty work
Beatstars should create a point system where the producers get paid points for sales and streams and make a deal with the rapper before they buy it. Like whatever money it makes, the producer gets a percentage automatically into their bank account.
That's sort of a thing on beatstars
That will be dope
It's very hard to track stuff like that and pay it out correctly. Beatstars wouldn't be able to do that.
The default agreements ensure producers retain their copyrights on all leases. When it comes to negotiating with labels, they are the ones contracting the producers, and the contracts change.
@@DJPain1 I appreciate you but i don't give a damn about all that. We want residuals.
Beatstars f the music game up
@@jannybravo8429 😂
The game is over saturated
What's a reasonable negotiating range in a situation like this?
@@oldmanwinter2050 for a major, maybe around 10k, just my opinion
The details are crazy… but still producer need more money for beats. No artist should offer $30 or agree to pay it unless they agree but $30 vs famous yt’er iono mannn
Nuclear is crazy. That’s some way to put it 😂
common sense - some people have it, some people dont realise they lack it :D
More like they pretend to not have it to reap the benefits of a corrupt system
What’s a good price to ask for as producer without any credits and just getting in the game?
If I buy a beat from a producer I'm gonna make sure they get a percentage of my profit from that song for the rest of his or her life.
i looked at some clips of ddg and max discussing the situation and....my guess is that the "demand" for 300k is prob in response/retaliation to ddg and max being aholes every step of the way. those 2 have no respect for "nobody" producers even after those nobodies made you a hit. at the end of the day i feel bad for the 2 up and coming producers who it sounds like just got caught in the middle of some pettiness between some ahole artists and an ahole manager.
The fact that all them dudes sold beats for 30 bucks is a travesty to begin with. No freaking way my music going for 30 dollars or lower as i ve seen on some sites. I know my worth. That tactic of cheap tracks killed an industry. When an artist leases or buys that beat then blow up like Corona then dudes be feeling some kind of way like they've been robbed but they did that to themselves. I understand writers and publishing so naw...call me salty but I want mine all the way through: from the front , the middle, along the way even on the back end established from the get go so there's none of this that and 3rd arguments and confusion in the aftermath. 30 bucks! ...for a whole track??? BISHOP BULLWINKLE!!!
Straight PR because I'm about to RUclips the song right now lol
the producer asked for $20 at first and dgg gave em $500 for it, if he sold that beat for $500 that producer is definitely extorting, Zac don’t know what 300k looks like 😂😂 he crazy
I found the song through this vid and I love it.
The manager doesn’t seem to be managing his stuff correctly 😂
Just listened to that song. Ugh.
If a company has a product and then makes an ad with a leased song, that song is not permanently fused with the product. But if a vocalist builds a song and releases it on a leased beat, its inseparable. So it'll be murdered? Idk l, id never rent a beat then keep renegotiating its price. Its like an ugly child custody battle
leased beats contracts usually have terms that require renegotiations if the song blows up...
@ogralphbeats4035 yes I understand. Common practice nowadays, and if that's agreed to in contract then you gotta do it. Tough when it's not predetermined ratios. An artist shoots himself in the face for doing this to himself.
Producer sign a 360 deal he is not his manger he is the ceo.. ddg is sign to a label, the label came to ddg and told him to use the song as part of his deal.. 300k the ceo is trying to get from the label not DDG
I will just say I think the entire leasing beats practice just damages everyone in the biz overall.
Artists hate the surprise changing price, I’ve watched artists lose their deal over leases gone wrong.
Producers value is lowered, if you give the lower option they always gonna take it. It creates a perception of lower value overall for creative work.
The only person it benefits is the normie who wants to mess around, and for people who are not serious and don’t care either way.
Like there just has to be a better business practice that appeals to this tier of artist, without dragging the whole industry down and creating these wasteful lawsuits that hurt everyone.
@@Leland_Elliott the better business practice is called communication
Why wouldn't you try and negotiate for master side percentages or something? Go straight for 300k lmao 😂😂😂
I only give beats to artists that make sure I get paid for the rest of my life.
Ur 1st deal u probably will lose out because u didn't use a lawyer or contract but take the 5k and a split and do future business, but try 2sue and get black balled it's a game
Beat stars? You mean the pro membership? Wow
Yea he should have taken that $5K, kept his 50% publishing and royalties. If the record goes crazy he’ll make way more than that 5K on the backend. Now he just shot himself in the foot and nobody is going to want to work with him asking for that 300K. Now everybody thinks they are timbaland😂😂😂
If it was me, I woulda took the 2000$ then asked for a percentage on the songs royalties and publishing. They very dumb.
@@siyagee1000 well, hopefully you don’t just take money first and then ask for equity after, that’s setting yourself up to be robbed
@DJPain1 no as part of the deal. I would let him use it agreeing on the 2k USD he offered and also the royalties in the splits.
So... maybe I missed something, but I knew nothing about the actual situation going in, and I still know nothing about the actual situation.
@@RangeWilson pro tip: unmute RUclips videos before watching
Silly, make another hot beat and create a relationship with DDG
The 300k they are expecting will come from royalties.. Not an advance... It was a bad idea to strike the video, it will kill the momentum of the song
Unless it’s a marketing strategy 👀
Mike is the BEST
I mean he could always use one of my Beats😂
Who is the person your speaking with?
@@RodneyRicoWillis Mike Trampe @producerwhisperer
@DJPain1 ty
The NFL is sports entertainment they don't have to prove it's real. They get a high salary to not gamble.
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My beats are fire ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥 and I know my worth
Pretty much you sell me something you really dont want fir the low andi find a way to make it pop. Now you mad and want to come back to get more money. Youre stupid😂😂😂😂😂
If he was intending to sell it for 30, there's no way it's worth 300k. It's most likely a low effort beat as compared to those who might get paid 300k in the industry. Next time, he should do a little research on who's buying his work so he can negotiate before a deal instead of after a deal.
@@tallonted5663 while I clearly say that 300k is unreasonable in this video, I don’t agree with your comment at all. effort doesn’t amount to value- this isn’t how the business works.
I think @DJPain1 hit it on the head with this one: it's not the producers but their managers that are going against their requests.
@@TGCBeats it seems that way from all the evidence I’ve seen
Contract get a Contract too simple, money up front points on back 50/50 split....u can't come l8tr after it's signed both parties ĥappy...smh
Death To Leasing Beats
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