Y'all need to calm down. Of course the commentary is different than today's. This is back before smash was "eSports" and the commentary could have just been anybody in the room. This is a part of Smash's history, when the trash talk was real. If you don't like it, watch the newer tournaments from VGBC, instead of going to the comments section to whine.
@NoviSoul And you have to admit, Mango won because he clearly outplayed HBox, he didn't play the matchup as you mentioned. Barely any lasers, and constant approach/pressure game. Mango definitely wasn't abusing the matchup details.
@Jupitec to what problem might you referring? If you have any doubts watch how Armada handled Hbox and Taj and then review review Mango's...ahem...treatment of the situation
@Protnomc Still... it's like those who say armada is predictable. Yet he finishes second (or first?) on big tournaments. Hbox may have a basic strategy or something, but he's like a tank in the pools and the brackets. You don't wanna face him. Mango can beat the shit out of Hbox probably for the reason that himself has a better Puff than Hbox, therefore capable of utter read and mindgame, and make it look like easy to beat that green puff.
@NoviSoul Alright, fair enough. Here are two Foxes, top of their respective regions, no 4 rest kills. Matches are pretty recent too. I see Laser camping, I see them being defensive, and I also see them getting hit by a trap and just dying. watch?v=U4DNv9pzDeY watch?v=8URfulJQCK4 I'm not saying this matchup is bad for Fox at all, I don't think there's a single matchup bad for Fox, but I don't think it's impossible in the slightest.
@NoviSoul The Matchup charts are a bit outdated. I'm pretty sure at worst it's 4-6 in Fox's favor. The reason that HBox loses is because Mango's approach game, spacing game, and ability to read HBox is too good. Jiggs has so many traps for Fox, and falling into any of them can mean instant death. Jiggs edgeguards Fox all day, and can slowly corner him by zoning with bair. It's not impossible, just look at Genesis 2 crews. HBox plays Lucky, who knows the matchup and has beaten HBox before.
@SparkSSBM Mango is the BEST!!! There is no discussion in this situation! HBox is trying to be a Mango clone but he will always be in mango's shadow!!!
Honestly I would have said outsmarted for Armada, but the rhyme was too tantalizing to pass up and I did feel like expressing the fact that I don't find the Armada/HBox matches as fun to watch. Feel free to disagree, but I certainly never intended to imply that Armada's strategy wasn't "legit." If it works and it isn't cheating/glitching/etc., it's legit. But a person can like one strat more than another. Doesn't change my main point, which is that HBox needs some re-strategizing.
@nonethousand Well said. IMO, how Mango played in the finals was way too aggressive and risky for such a comprehensive match and I believe that is what had cost him the set. It was obvious that he had set the pace and controlled the momentum for most of the matches. Many may argue that It is Armada's style to play defensive but Armada was in fact at the mercy of Mango's "forced" play.
@Zoler1 way to bring hostilities into this. I almost don't want to reply since you've taken such a puerile tone with me but since the retort to your amateurish jibe is so simple I shall proceed: While Armada clumsily out-camped Hungrybox and Taj, Mango skated over them. Mango dominated them--Armada exposed the flaws in their strategies; Mango exposed the flaws in their control of their characters, in their ability to think on their feet. A close GF is no argument against it; Mang0 is number one
@1uPStudios Mango's puff is still better. The last time Hungrybox played Mango's puff Hungrybox lost. Mango said himself he hates playing "gay" so he much rather prefers to beat Hbox with Fox. The last time Mango played Hbox doing puff dittos half the room left to go do other things rather than watch. Mango is a crowd pleaser so he chose another character to win with.
Seriously, that commentator is so annoying. Him saying "Mango is the only one playing legit" translates to "Mango is the only one playing Fox". I'm glad commentator's at recent tournaments actually know what they're talking about and aren't completely biased against competitors.
MY GOD MANGO SLOW DOWN. As good as Hbox is he got raped. Still respect for Hbox, hes defiantly the best Puff and anyone who says Mangos puff is better is lying to themselves. If Mango picked puff he would have lost, and it would have been a boring match lol Overall his best character is Fox now
Y'all need to calm down. Of course the commentary is different than today's. This is back before smash was "eSports" and the commentary could have just been anybody in the room. This is a part of Smash's history, when the trash talk was real. If you don't like it, watch the newer tournaments from VGBC, instead of going to the comments section to whine.
God damn Mango's fox is on a whole other level. He makes Hbox's puff look free... and Hbox's puff makes EVERY OTHER FOX LOOK FREE. Insane.
Man I miss this commentary. Now it's not hype at all. It's all eSports. Having hype commentary is so much better than being huge and eSports.
Andrew Wager Having sponsors is nice
No it isn't. Without Esports Players would get paid way less and many ppl would probably qut; killing the playerbase.
My goodness the disrespect on HBox...how times have changed since then, lol...
@NoviSoul And you have to admit, Mango won because he clearly outplayed HBox, he didn't play the matchup as you mentioned. Barely any lasers, and constant approach/pressure game. Mango definitely wasn't abusing the matchup details.
Great video! Making sure that you give out no spoilers through the shortcuts/video length!
@Jupitec to what problem might you referring?
If you have any doubts watch how Armada handled Hbox and Taj and then review review Mango's...ahem...treatment of the situation
what if Hbox hit that bair at 9:12? epic comeback that would've been
@NoviSoul I'm pretty sure it's not 70-30 or 80-20. Hbox has beaten pretty much every good Fox at least once, to my knowledge.
You've never seen any other Fox vs Hbox matches, have you?
@Protnomc Still... it's like those who say armada is predictable. Yet he finishes second (or first?) on big tournaments.
Hbox may have a basic strategy or something, but he's like a tank in the pools and the brackets. You don't wanna face him. Mango can beat the shit out of Hbox probably for the reason that himself has a better Puff than Hbox, therefore capable of utter read and mindgame, and make it look like easy to beat that green puff.
@crazeemeel what do you mean get melee groupies?
So now that puffs sdi fox's uair, are people going to have to have a pocket younglink, or will marth suffice?
@Jupitec then who's the best?
whos the guy whispering in the mic
@Surfer330AD Pound 4 was awhile ago bro :/ I dunno, it would take a more recent match to convince me.
@knihThink i dont think you've seen me play lately
Can you include the names/nicks of the commentators?
@2:10 What if hungrybox rested after that drill? O.o
@NoviSoul Alright, fair enough. Here are two Foxes, top of their respective regions, no 4 rest kills.
Matches are pretty recent too. I see Laser camping, I see them being defensive, and I also see them getting hit by a trap and just dying.
watch?v=U4DNv9pzDeY
watch?v=8URfulJQCK4
I'm not saying this matchup is bad for Fox at all, I don't think there's a single matchup bad for Fox, but I don't think it's impossible in the slightest.
Armada outgayed him, Mango outplayed him. HBox gotta switch something up 'cause he's not gonna beat those two ever again if he doesn't adapt.
I like that you're watching your shit back, good luck at Apex 2013 I hope to see a fantastic Hbox vs. Mango. SMASH
@Relics Legit melee is easy to define: it doesn't matter if youtube approves of a playstyle if hella girls scream your name because of it
respect it
Did Mango get even BETTER?
Mango's dashdance game is just gorgeous.
Angrybox made a good comeback effort. Maybe the taunts were a bad idea.
@FfantasyF I mean that he can't play the way he wants without the backlash.
@NoviSoul The Matchup charts are a bit outdated. I'm pretty sure at worst it's 4-6 in Fox's favor. The reason that HBox loses is because Mango's approach game, spacing game, and ability to read HBox is too good. Jiggs has so many traps for Fox, and falling into any of them can mean instant death. Jiggs edgeguards Fox all day, and can slowly corner him by zoning with bair. It's not impossible, just look at Genesis 2 crews. HBox plays Lucky, who knows the matchup and has beaten HBox before.
@FfantasyF Well I love watching Mango as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to stop someone who wants to play a certain way from playing.
@SparkSSBM Mango is the BEST!!! There is no discussion in this situation! HBox is trying to be a Mango clone but he will always be in mango's shadow!!!
9:12 was so sad. Definitely the crowd/nerves. I wanted to see the Amsah comeback.
Honestly I would have said outsmarted for Armada, but the rhyme was too tantalizing to pass up and I did feel like expressing the fact that I don't find the Armada/HBox matches as fun to watch. Feel free to disagree, but I certainly never intended to imply that Armada's strategy wasn't "legit." If it works and it isn't cheating/glitching/etc., it's legit. But a person can like one strat more than another.
Doesn't change my main point, which is that HBox needs some re-strategizing.
9:21
SWASS!
Who needs swag when you have swass?
itsIBizzle all these years later this still makes me laugh
@nahor88 mango would probably disagree with the looks department.
People always debating who's the best like fanboys.. In the end the only thing that matters is who wins.
@knihThink
That was probably the most brutal come back I've ever heard... x_x
@nonethousand Well said.
IMO, how Mango played in the finals was way too aggressive and risky for such a comprehensive match and I believe that is what had cost him the set. It was obvious that he had set the pace and controlled the momentum for most of the matches. Many may argue that It is Armada's style to play defensive but Armada was in fact at the mercy of Mango's "forced" play.
@zorekkeroz florida i assume.
@inanoha It is called an opinion, of course it's biased. So is saying hip hop is legit and country is not. People are allowed to have opinions.
@Zoler1 way to bring hostilities into this. I almost don't want to reply since you've taken such a puerile tone with me but since the retort to your amateurish jibe is so simple I shall proceed:
While Armada clumsily out-camped Hungrybox and Taj, Mango skated over them. Mango dominated them--Armada exposed the flaws in their strategies; Mango exposed the flaws in their control of their characters, in their ability to think on their feet. A close GF is no argument against it; Mang0 is number one
@Mammothrib Hbox made a desperate edgeguard that cost him his last stock. Maybe taunting got to his head?
I feel like hbox at this time would crumble mentally from getting styled on like that game 1
Now this is the mango i wanna fuckin see
Mango's Kinda Rollin on Hbox who I don't feel recovered from the y.link abuse lol.
note to crazeemeel: become pro at anything to get respect
@Vyse0wnz doesn't take much work to pick jigglypuff
Saying a certain play style or match is legit is as biased and inane as saying certain type of music legit. Somebody needs to learn tolerance.
@1uPStudios Mango's puff is still better. The last time Hungrybox played Mango's puff Hungrybox lost. Mango said himself he hates playing "gay" so he much rather prefers to beat Hbox with Fox. The last time Mango played Hbox doing puff dittos half the room left to go do other things rather than watch. Mango is a crowd pleaser so he chose another character to win with.
@mojachay Armada AND Mango are
Hungrybox?
Moar like NotHungryBox. :3 If anyone was Hungry for this set, it was Mango.
@MaNg0PuffHater69 lol nobody mops the floor with mango...
@mach1alex19 nah dude he got you LMAO
that was a priceless response lol
that "SWAG SWAG" shit, oh my fucking god
Three bairs
Three taunts
Nuff said.
@mach1alex19 prolly cause i don't make it a point to watch pools
all i hear is screamin sloots
truth.
@LethalXDSSBB All he does is bair, bair, bair no matter what!
All he's got is bairing on his mind he can never get enough!
Flawless.
Love that black screen.
its hilarious how many people think mango did his best this tournament, he never used his main once :/
Ugh...I hate this smash mentality where people who play the game at a slower pace get trashed. It's childish and immature.
And hungrybox thinks he is the best trying to use jiggs HAHA. Thats Mango's character and he knows everything about it!!! Go Mango!!!
Mango is awesome. Fucking amazing fox.
@nahor88 It's not about looks. If you've seen this dude work, you'd know how much swag he has. Also, IIRC, hbox has a chick back home ;]
I thought Scar was the people's champ.
Anyone hold their breath on that 3 second combo at 8:00
@daveytwelve Mango in winners and Hbox in losers.
pause at 1:45 for wtf hitbox lol
No wonder no big channels like seriously not the friendly smash community I know
Mr. Pappernickle >Misses the fact that this was 2011.
looks like this mango couldnt get devoured...
Seriously, that commentator is so annoying. Him saying "Mango is the only one playing legit" translates to "Mango is the only one playing Fox". I'm glad commentator's at recent tournaments actually know what they're talking about and aren't completely biased against competitors.
04:16 Mango should've dash-danced in front of hungrybox then jab him.
@knihThink damn.
7:57 wow
@SparkSSBM Mango is the best!
MY GOD MANGO SLOW DOWN. As good as Hbox is he got raped. Still respect for Hbox, hes defiantly the best Puff and anyone who says Mangos puff is better is lying to themselves. If Mango picked puff he would have lost, and it would have been a boring match lol Overall his best character is Fox now
2:10 dat dash dance
Mute
I like seeing a stupid balloon pokemon lose to a killer space animal. It awesome to watch it die at 70% damage! XDD
2:10 8:00 9:13
can't wait for apex 2013, good luck.
Three taunts. Mango was on point.
Oh my god mango
sighhh poor hbox can't pressure mango at all
@nonethousand the best player in the world
he ended up 2nd of the tournament
The best. 2nd.
Problem ?
god i cant stop watching mango humiliate hbox.
不知道在噸砂小 有夠靠北
Hahaha I agree, Mango is amazing, but he's so cocky, If he were more humble, all my respect would go to him. Not hating either.
"Hoes" ??
Ken for the best anti-jiggs player ever! :O :D
I... can hear girls in the background... it's the only thing i noticed watching this vid... gah...
"Next victim son"
lmao if you don't believe that Mango is the best player in the world
@hellbird999 cause he did NOTHING
that was kinda mean mango
I hear girls... .__.
@crazeemeel
From what I've seen Hbox is better looking than Mango and Mango is the one getting chicks...
@eyqmz929 it's hilarious how you talk like you know what you're talking about
Who were those chicks cheering for Mango?
They sound like they could be hot... lulz.
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