Hell no. Not only from a safety standpoint (most important), but I can only assume that the average consumer has lost their sense of smell with all the bs being thrown around now! Strictly for suckers, gotta say. Thanks for the red light Scott :)
I was contacted by them over at MiguelDetailingllc but I have the same question you do. It looks very similar to ceramic pro. I was told they have an installer in LA that’s been with them 10+ years jet the company hasn’t been around for very long
Look at all these people getting jabbed with a shot and not knowing what's in it yet they complain about putting a product on their car paint. They didn't complain about ceramic when it came out.
Borophene 1.0 & 2.0 formulas are manufactured in The United States and we have "nothing to do" with Ceramic Pro, Taiwan, China or any other far east entity. We have our own labratory
I am sticking behind Nano pro in this, I have had no health issues, never had a vehicle fail on me, the maintenance washes are so easy most everything slides off with a rinse
"It's a one-and-done coating with a lifetime guarantee!" Mumbles under breath, "Just keep paying to have it re-applied, and we really don't guarantee it."
well there is a process called hydrophobic plasma coating, the surface will stay permanently hydrophobic as it´s bound to that material on atomic scale
A cool dive into product research. I always start from a place of skepticism. I'm still not currently convinced on graphene's value. It's just a tiny bit of graphene mixed into a ceramic coating.
Can-coat lasts over a year. Given that it cost about $40, and the professional installation of this new product will probably be >$1500. I just prefer to use Can-coat yearly, which will also waste less time than going to an annual inspection.
Scott great job I have a suggestion starting on next test each coating maybe let alittle air dry in cap or something and check once a week for dry rate and we can see which one are clearest which ones don’t dry I think viewers would love it
Thanks for the info. Several years ago I looked into using a boron powder to coat bullets for high powered rifles to extend the useable life of the barrels. The boron powder was supposed to reduce friction(slickness) which in turn reduced heat and made for longer life. Very interesting how much non-information there is available.
I don’t have a CHMM certificate, but I’d look at the potential hazards like this: both graphene and borophene stay as solids under nearly all conditions with the potential for human exposure. So I’m not particularly concerned about the safety of the person initially installing the coating. Most of the danger there comes from the solvents used to carry the material, which is potentially problematic for many coatings, graphene or otherwise. *That said*, the risk comes into play if the paint needs to be corrected and dust is created during polishing. More than anything, I’d recommend wearing a well fitting respirator that is certified for use with stuff like asbestos that is an airborne particulate. Again, I’m not an expert and if you find better information, I would defer to it.
The warranty requirements are almost identical to System X. You have to have an additional layer added within 30 days of the anniversary of the install to maintain the lifetime warranty 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ That was one of the many reasons I dropped System X, plus as with most companies their warranty is just smoke in mirrors.
Appreciated the thoroughness of research on this "new" product. Wasn't aware graphene products could be so hazardous (I've not seen any "walmart class" consumer graphene sprays mentioning wearing sspirators or other breathing protection). Sounds like this "hard" coating's like all the rest and cannot resist carwash abrasion.
@@ScottHD one other thing, DOT and OSHA changed the name from MSDS to SDS, so the MSDS you found is questionable. How did it ship? Contact the shipper UPS, USPS, etc whoever shipped it.
I am quite skeptical of our Detailing industry having my degree in biomaterials. Graphene and even ceramic coatings have left me wondering if I am doing wrong by my customer. I have spent a long time reviewing your videos and appreciate your input. It seems to me to be the new gen “ snake oil” What I find myself doing these days is returning to the older products and techniques just to be sure. Glazes, waxes are my go to.
I can agree. I mean I know some shops charging like $2500+ for a 5yr 8yr and I’m like dang you might as well look into PPF if you’re spending that much. I won’t knock another person for getting it but dang. I mean coatings work but only if you take care of it and I think that communication between the installer and customer doesn’t get talked about. It’s one of the reasons I got more in wrapping.
@@zero1000 for real a ppf film + gyeon can coat and you´re golden and unlike ceramic the ppf film protects from stone chips (to a certain degree of course)
Good video. I often think about the environmental impact of the coatings we put in our cars. It also makes me think about people who coat their showers!
I just had the owner cold call me - and tbh - I’ll never support that business. I asked about down to zero testing and what makes the borophine superior to everything else and he went off. Talked down to me, said I was uneducated, and I don’t know what I’m talking about. I said - I sell a service - not a product. I want something I can sell that is going to last the test of time if I don’t touch it again. (Currently using CCI - solid sediment suspension coating) 44% life at 7 years and that’s their “failure” point to them. Most companies will say 10 year coating when there’s .05% life left in that 10th year. I never heard of this company, or coating. Thankful for your video to prove what I experienced and avoided. He’s selling a service as a product - trying to snake people over and get them to invest. Shameful
I remember back in the 1970’s and 1980’s, car rustproofing was popular. But for the warranty you had to take the vehicle in every year for an inspection and pay for it . Miss the inspection window and void the warranty.
FYI for hardness when it comes to coatings A 10H coating is not Mohs hardness like diamond, it refers to pencil hardness test. 10 H is the highest hardness of the pencil hardness test.
I'm certified through them and have used the borophene and its a good coating for sure but in my testing its durability is failing incomparable to system x max and ethos graphene pro. test is still current and ongoing and it has not failed yet
@@ScottHD in one of my test when it got 3 degress with the wind chill I dumped water on my test panel and only the ethos graphene pro out of the 3 pushed the water off before it could freeze.. I have 8 videos in total of my testing on them and every 2 weeks they get a 10 wash test
@@jackdale9249 its not snake oil but nothing is permanent. there 2.0 was crazy shiny and now they have 3.0. 3.0 is on par with system x max as far as durability but it shinier.
I've done a good amount of 3.0 installed, very high gloss index for sure and then 4.0 came out about a month ago. I've installed a couple 4.0 installs and gloss is higher than the 4.0 for sure.
As a person that's writing something near-futre/low scifi? Getting anything reliable on graphene or borene for materials studies and anything other than hype and theoretical numbers is maddening. Like. 'hasanyoen actually built a piece of angle bracket with it and stress tested the thing? Long term health concenrs over something MADE of graphene' etc etc. I want to know these things.
Scott. Do "normal" ceramic (SiO2) coatings require a respirator? What about the Diamond ProTech coatings? I know you should wear gloves with these. Thanks for all this research. It will be interesting to see how much borophene or borophane is actually in these coatings.
Ceramic pro is made by EZ coating not choose nano even Kubebond is made by the same company. They don’t make any product it’s just purchased white labelled they just brand and ship it
⚠Borophene? Should be fine. Besides, I'm protected since my cigarette smoke is only inhaled through dense asbestos filters; the Radium painted labels on the packaging assure me I'm safe. 😜
Not gonna find research about a coating. Its an industry with a fraction of the money involved, versus batteries which will be hundreds of billions of dollars made of it.
The king of click bait and scare tactics. Borophene is made from boron. We’ve been using Borax for decades to clean. I would be more concerned with the solvents in a coating than the Graphene or Borophene.
@@MeliorIlle Yeah "realistic expectations" is probably too much to ask for many of these companies. If you keep topping it with another product and calling the base coating "lifetime' - is it really lifetime?
@@ScottHD Nope. According to your tests the 7 year coatings aren't even lasting a year. I still haven't heard a good reason to even use ceramic. Your car still scratches, still gets dirty, still fades after time if you don't maintain it obsessively. That means you prevent fading from being diligent with protections, no matter what protection you use.
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Would you try a completely new product without knowing what's really in it and how safe it is for your health (to install it/handle it)?
Hell no. Not only from a safety standpoint (most important), but I can only assume that the average consumer has lost their sense of smell with all the bs being thrown around now! Strictly for suckers, gotta say. Thanks for the red light Scott :)
I was contacted by them over at MiguelDetailingllc but I have the same question you do. It looks very similar to ceramic pro. I was told they have an installer in LA that’s been with them 10+ years jet the company hasn’t been around for very long
well i bought it the best $250 ! is it any good ? can we get it analyzied ?
Look at all these people getting jabbed with a shot and not knowing what's in it yet they complain about putting a product on their car paint. They didn't complain about ceramic when it came out.
Borophene 1.0 & 2.0 formulas are manufactured in The United States and we have "nothing to do" with Ceramic Pro, Taiwan, China or any other far east entity. We have our own labratory
I am sticking behind Nano pro in this, I have had no health issues, never had a vehicle fail on me, the maintenance washes are so easy most everything slides off with a rinse
@@chadkremer3050people said the same stuff about asbestos for years. It’s not the short term we are worried about.
"It's a one-and-done coating with a lifetime guarantee!" Mumbles under breath, "Just keep paying to have it re-applied, and we really don't guarantee it."
Its a product and business model all rolled into one!!!!
well there is a process called hydrophobic plasma coating, the surface will stay permanently hydrophobic as it´s bound to that material on atomic scale
@@Humbulla93this is what I’d been thinking also.
A cool dive into product research. I always start from a place of skepticism. I'm still not currently convinced on graphene's value. It's just a tiny bit of graphene mixed into a ceramic coating.
Absolutely. I'm always going to be a skeptic until I can test it myself or find more on it at the very least.
Can-coat lasts over a year. Given that it cost about $40, and the professional installation of this new product will probably be >$1500. I just prefer to use Can-coat yearly, which will also waste less time than going to an annual inspection.
Which can coat? id be down to do this and would love to know which one you recommend.
@@SilkLotus
GYEON Q² CanCoat EVO
Scott great job I have a suggestion starting on next test each coating maybe let alittle air dry in cap or something and check once a week for dry rate and we can see which one are clearest which ones don’t dry I think viewers would love it
Thank you sir! Starting with myself, we need to produce more provocative content like this to educate others connected to this industry.
Thanks for the info. Several years ago I looked into using a boron powder to coat bullets for high powered rifles to extend the useable life of the barrels. The boron powder was supposed to reduce friction(slickness) which in turn reduced heat and made for longer life. Very interesting how much non-information there is available.
I was truly surprised how little is out there available to the public - especially considering how long this type of product has been on the market.
I don’t have a CHMM certificate, but I’d look at the potential hazards like this: both graphene and borophene stay as solids under nearly all conditions with the potential for human exposure. So I’m not particularly concerned about the safety of the person initially installing the coating. Most of the danger there comes from the solvents used to carry the material, which is potentially problematic for many coatings, graphene or otherwise.
*That said*, the risk comes into play if the paint needs to be corrected and dust is created during polishing. More than anything, I’d recommend wearing a well fitting respirator that is certified for use with stuff like asbestos that is an airborne particulate. Again, I’m not an expert and if you find better information, I would defer to it.
The warranty requirements are almost identical to System X. You have to have an additional layer added within 30 days of the anniversary of the install to maintain the lifetime warranty 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ That was one of the many reasons I dropped System X, plus as with most companies their warranty is just smoke in mirrors.
Appreciated the thoroughness of research on this "new" product. Wasn't aware graphene products could be so hazardous (I've not seen any "walmart class" consumer graphene sprays mentioning wearing sspirators or other breathing protection). Sounds like this "hard" coating's like all the rest and cannot resist carwash abrasion.
The shipper is required to supply an SDS which lists the health and safety hazards.
Want to help me find one for it? Thanks.
@@ScottHD one other thing, DOT and OSHA changed the name from MSDS to SDS, so the MSDS you found is questionable.
How did it ship? Contact the shipper UPS, USPS, etc whoever shipped it.
@@BryanHoefer mine was shipped USPS
I've had the 3.0 on my truck for about a month now. Works pretty good
I think they are trying to say it’s borosilicate glass, like pyrex. Probably just another ceramic coating with a tiny additive.
I agree... probably SI02 + a pinch of **insert anything here, but call it that**
Even the whole ceramic coating makes it sound like that hard stuff my bath is covered in.. nothing like it
I am quite skeptical of our Detailing industry having my degree in biomaterials. Graphene and even ceramic coatings have left me wondering if I am doing wrong by my customer. I have spent a long time reviewing your videos and appreciate your input. It seems to me to be the new gen “ snake oil”
What I find myself doing these days is returning to the older products and techniques just to be sure. Glazes, waxes are my go to.
Agreed. The old school stuff just "works". May not last as long but at least we know what to expect+ what's in them!
I can agree. I mean I know some shops charging like $2500+ for a 5yr 8yr and I’m like dang you might as well look into PPF if you’re spending that much. I won’t knock another person for getting it but dang. I mean coatings work but only if you take care of it and I think that communication between the installer and customer doesn’t get talked about. It’s one of the reasons I got more in wrapping.
FUSSO!
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@@zero1000 for real a ppf film + gyeon can coat and you´re golden and unlike ceramic the ppf film protects from stone chips (to a certain degree of course)
Good video. I often think about the environmental impact of the coatings we put in our cars.
It also makes me think about people who coat their showers!
Very good point! I think there needs to be more serious research on them for that purpose!
I just had the owner cold call me - and tbh - I’ll never support that business. I asked about down to zero testing and what makes the borophine superior to everything else and he went off. Talked down to me, said I was uneducated, and I don’t know what I’m talking about.
I said - I sell a service - not a product. I want something I can sell that is going to last the test of time if I don’t touch it again. (Currently using CCI - solid sediment suspension coating) 44% life at 7 years and that’s their “failure” point to them. Most companies will say 10 year coating when there’s .05% life left in that 10th year.
I never heard of this company, or coating. Thankful for your video to prove what I experienced and avoided.
He’s selling a service as a product - trying to snake people over and get them to invest.
Shameful
I remember back in the 1970’s and 1980’s, car rustproofing was popular. But for the warranty you had to take the vehicle in every year for an inspection and pay for it . Miss the inspection window and void the warranty.
Excellent info. Thankyou for putting in the effort and sharing.
Hey Scott, I'm interested in the gloss claims. Please coat something and throw the gloss meter on it and let us know.
Oh I will! It'll be part of the new test coming up soon!
It's way more sinister than you can imagine
The search for the shine is getting hazardous
Great info! Thanks Scott.
Don't have an expensive car so I use turtle wax seal and shine every couple of weeks and I am satisfied.
FYI for hardness when it comes to coatings A 10H coating is not Mohs hardness like diamond, it refers to pencil hardness test. 10 H is the highest hardness of the pencil hardness test.
Correct! Either way, there's no "12H" like some of these companies claim. More H's = more'better. LOL
The packaging looks like a 2006 infomercial lol
I'm certified through them and have used the borophene and its a good coating for sure but in my testing its durability is failing incomparable to system x max and ethos graphene pro. test is still current and ongoing and it has not failed yet
Good to hear! I'm excited to play with it a little more.
@@ScottHD in one of my test when it got 3 degress with the wind chill I dumped water on my test panel and only the ethos graphene pro out of the 3 pushed the water off before it could freeze.. I have 8 videos in total of my testing on them and every 2 weeks they get a 10 wash test
I am too but have not used it yet is it snake oil ? or real ? $250 ? is a lot ! is it shiny ? REALLY shiny ?
@@jackdale9249 its not snake oil but nothing is permanent. there 2.0 was crazy shiny and now they have 3.0. 3.0 is on par with system x max as far as durability but it shinier.
I've done a good amount of 3.0 installed, very high gloss index for sure and then 4.0 came out about a month ago. I've installed a couple 4.0 installs and gloss is higher than the 4.0 for sure.
Insanely good video. Thanks for all the research and info
Glad you enjoyed it!
Scott, will you explain the icon rocklear product at some point in the future?
I'll check that out. Thanks!
I don't think these can contain anything other than borosilicate glass instead of pure glass (SiO2) additive.
I have a detailer in my area saying he is using Porophene which you can't find anything on it.
Whats the verdict?
I'll giggle like a 3rd grader if this fails inside of a year
Nice video....great editing
Thanks!
Call in the hazmat and let's see what it's got!
As a person that's writing something near-futre/low scifi? Getting anything reliable on graphene or borene for materials studies and anything other than hype and theoretical numbers is maddening.
Like. 'hasanyoen actually built a piece of angle bracket with it and stress tested the thing? Long term health concenrs over something MADE of graphene' etc etc. I want to know these things.
Scott. Do "normal" ceramic (SiO2) coatings require a respirator? What about the Diamond ProTech coatings? I know you should wear gloves with these.
Thanks for all this research. It will be interesting to see how much borophene or borophane is actually in these coatings.
Ceramic pro is made by EZ coating not choose nano even Kubebond is made by the same company. They don’t make any product it’s just purchased white labelled they just brand and ship it
I borophene coated my houseplants and they doubled in size overnight. It’s going to be a major disruptor in the auto- detail community.
Bigger, faster, stronger, louder!
are we talking about the banana plant in pantsy town?
There's a guy in my area that is using a product from the same company called porophene, not the same as borophene. Have you heard of this
I haven't but I'll look into it! Thanks.,
Don't think they have that, been using Nano pro for a while now, have had no issues or failures, we have been happy with the results
No such thing
Have you seen the Nano Diamond coatings?
Absolutely. It was called NGNT in some of my old tests, and I have the production version (called DiamondPro Tech) that will be in an upcoming test
@@ScottHD good I’m looking to start installing them
Scott, have you talked to the Chemist from B & B, Chris? or Mike Phillips from P & S? or Mike Schulz from Turtle Wax and pick their brain???
I have talked to Mike P at SEMA before but not regarding this particular chemical. I'm about to though! Thanks!
@@ScottHD so it;s been 4 mos @ what did he say ? I bought this stuff!
It's had the ball dropped on it by this guy.
No response in a year
u sir, earned my sub:)
I wouldn't say graphene has been a success, all of them on the much more expensive and none of them showing really any extra substance
That definitely makes it sound like a buzzword!
neato
⚠Borophene? Should be fine. Besides, I'm protected since my cigarette smoke is only inhaled through dense asbestos filters; the Radium painted labels on the packaging assure me I'm safe. 😜
Yeah.....nah.
Considering less than 2 sq inch has been made of this material im gonna comfortably say its bs.
Won’t be using this product.
Not gonna find research about a coating. Its an industry with a fraction of the money involved, versus batteries which will be hundreds of billions of dollars made of it.
Scammers from Florida...from don and into paint coatings
Do you mean NanoPro are scammers? And I e heard the name Don up in west palm, is he a problem detailer too?
👁 Nephilim
Nanopro has there own chemist and there products are not made in china. Also wear a respirator.
The king of click bait and scare tactics. Borophene is made from boron. We’ve been using Borax for decades to clean. I would be more concerned with the solvents in a coating than the Graphene or Borophene.
Borax!!! That's a perfect example!
if you only knew the story behind all this oho boy
THE LORD IS OUR REFUGE.
Ok cool. Which psalm mentions water beading?
I believer that would be Matthew 14:22-36. Walking on water 😉
😂😂
Chinese copy of CeramicPro product and literature = it sucks!!
Some Chinese coatings do very well.
@@MeliorIlle I use NanoBond 9H... BUT NOT TEN YEAR LIFE! LOL!
@@MeliorIlle Yeah "realistic expectations" is probably too much to ask for many of these companies. If you keep topping it with another product and calling the base coating "lifetime' - is it really lifetime?
@@ScottHD Nope. According to your tests the 7 year coatings aren't even lasting a year. I still haven't heard a good reason to even use ceramic. Your car still scratches, still gets dirty, still fades after time if you don't maintain it obsessively. That means you prevent fading from being diligent with protections, no matter what protection you use.